Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

> If I ever wil need a GUI experience I want a real GUI centered program > like Musescore, Sibelius, Finale, or Dorico (I have not yet decided which > one to go for.) I have experience mostly with Sibelius and Finale, and since I switched to Ubuntu recently, also with MuseScore. I

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

> I don't know if you would call it a "GUI experience I would. I just downloaded Denemo and tried it once again. It’s a horrible experience. Sorry. www.martinrinconbotero.com On 25. Oct 2020, 18:41 +0100, Richard Shann , wrote: > > the

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 18:21 +0100, Martín Rincón Botero wrote: > I wonder if you realise that you do not have to look at "Denemo's > GUI" > - that is, you can set all of the menus, palettes etc hidden and just > use the pc keyboard and a MIDI keyboard to enter notes, r

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

Hi Richard, > Well, I may need educating here, but it seems to be limited to entering > the LilyPond syntax for notes played on a MIDI keyboard, and limited to > all sharps or all flats at that. The way my brain works, I find it a lot easier to just enter the notes in a huge stream (sometimes do

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

> I wonder if you realise that you do not have to look at "Denemo's GUI" > - that is, you can set all of the menus, palettes etc hidden and just > use the pc keyboard and a MIDI keyboard to enter notes, rests etc and > then press a key to export the LilyPond syntax for

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

keyboard which are assigned to the previously entered rhythms. It's like the "Step Entry" systems of the GUI programs but you aren't limited to one rhythmic value at a time, you can enter a whole bar or system or movement of rhythms and just start playing in the notes on

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

The third factor is that there’s a large class of mistakes that you simply could not make in Finale or Sibelius: mismatched braces, beams or slurs that you forget to close, notes entered in the wrong octave, etc. On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 12:06 PM Martín Rincón Botero < martinrinconbot...@gmail.com>

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

Hi Richard, > I've never been sure why someone hasn't shown an interest in doing that... How is that better than using the Frescobaldi MIDI input? Thanks, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his) ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: kie...@kierenm

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 17:10 +0100, Martín Rincón Botero wrote: > > I've never been sure why someone hasn't shown an interest in doing > > that... > > > > I myself have to respectfully say that I can't stand looking at > Denemo's GUI. I haven'

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

> > I've never been sure why someone hasn't shown an interest in doing > that... > I myself have to respectfully say that I can't stand looking at Denemo's GUI. I haven't been able to keep it installed for more than 30 seconds for this reason. Am So., 25. O

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

ld improve upon more easily > and quickly (or at least with more obvious incentive?!) if the user base > was larger. And — like it or not — a real critical mass like that will > require a GUI. > All of this, although it has made my work with Lilypond many times more efficient, takes the

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

over time, I don’t think that disadvantage can ever > go away entirely. There is a way to generate LilyPond syntax for music much faster than can be done with the MuseScore, Sib, Fin programs, by the combination of entering rhythms followed by MIDI keyboard to add the pitches as in the Denemo GU

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

tical mass like that will require a GUI. Cheers, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his) ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: kie...@kierenmacmillan.info

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

I tried LP several years ago and quickly gave up. I decided to try it again because I was frustrated with all of the manual adjustments my Finale scores require, and wanted to see if LP could do better. LP is indeed better — in that its default decisions are almost always better than Finale’s defa

Re: LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

l. Until people get "hooked", I fear there’s little use for those kinds of things. What we need to do is have ways to get people hooked beyond the inertia that forces them to abandon the tool. I have lots of ideas of how to do that, but none of them will gain any traction by themselves — u

LilyPond learning curve (was: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance)

[Starting a new thread to avoid hijacking the other one.] Le 24/10/2020 à 17:09, Kieren MacMillan a écrit : More to the point: I’m a Lilypond power-user, and I don’t currently suggest Lilypond for any of my college or private students. If there were a free, web-accessible, "code-free

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

Hi Jean, > If that aspect is more important than GUI note entry, another option > would be to host an OverLeaf instance on your college's server > (see https://github.com/overleaf/overleaf), install LilyPond > and the lyLuaTeX package there, and use with LuaLaTeX. This thread ha

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

e, web-accessible, "code-free" GUI for Lilypond, I would 100% recommend it to all my students. I would also immediately suggest it as the de facto standard for all the colleges where I am on faculty. Ergo: an open-source license would IMMEDIATELY help in its succ

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

> This is exactly the kind of thing I’m thinking about! That’s what I thought :-). > If there were an open-source version of this, I think it would make huge > inroads in the music education field. Maybe a bit contentious of mine, but why would an open-source license help in its success? Cheer

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

Hi Martín, > I’m haven’t investigated its collaborative capabilities if any, but > https://www.scorio.com/web/scorio/scorio-music-notator is an online GUI for > Lilypond. This is exactly the kind of thing I’m thinking about! If there were an open-source version of this, I think it w

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

ve the students work in there? The cloud would look after moving work around and syncronising, all you would need to do is ensure that students don't work on a particular piece simultaneously.  Oh, and for the GUI I'd second Frescobaldi. Regards, Martin -- J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

ously.  Oh, and for the GUI I'd second Frescobaldi. Regards, Martin

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

piece simultaneously. Oh, and for the GUI I'd second Frescobaldi. Regards, Martin On 24/10/2020 07:54, Martín Rincón Botero wrote: Hi Kieren, I’m haven’t investigated its collaborative capabilities if any, but https://www.scorio.com/web/scorio/scorio-music-notator is an online GUI for Lilypond. S

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

Hi Kieren, I’m haven’t investigated its collaborative capabilities if any, but  https://www.scorio.com/web/scorio/scorio-music-notator is an online GUI for Lilypond. Some of its functionality is only available in the paid version, though. Perhaps it’s an alternative. Cheers, Martín

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

Hi Karlin, > I'm understanding this use case wants... > * No-code GUI music entry > * Runs in a web browser > * Allows collaborative editing Right. > I'm having trouble imagining what "collaborative editing" would look like in > a "No-code GUI."

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

sary. > > in a “perfect” world, the students wouldn’t even see the .ly code. > I'm understanding this use case wants... * No-code GUI music entry * Runs in a web browser * Allows collaborative editing Many of the Git websites would have ways to collaboratively edit LilyPond code, with

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

sibly autorefreshing) preview from >> LilyPond constitute as a GUI for your scenario? > > The app/site *must* allow entry of notes using either a MIDI keyboard or a > "Quick Entry" (mouse-click) type UI; drag-and-drop would obviously be a > bonus, but is hardly necessary. &g

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

Hi Jonas, > Proper collaboration tools aren't easy either, but there are solutions > like Etherpad. It's open and can be enhanced with plugins, so would a > collaborative text editor with a (possibly autorefreshing) preview from > LilyPond constitute as a GUI for your s

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

to buy one, that would be up to them!) > > > > Looking at the ecosystem of “free” music engraving applications (e.g., > > NoteFlight, MuseScore, Dorico SE), I realise that what is really lacking is > > a web-accessible engraving application with a [Javascript?] GUI, capa

Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

-accessible engraving application with a [Javascript?] GUI, capable of generating reasonably simple but attractive scores of relatively limited complexity (e.g., piano-vocal scores with chords) and supporting collaborative editing over the network — think lilybin.com with a GUI. Especially given how

feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

have something, or evolve to the point they need to buy one, that would be up to them!) Looking at the ecosystem of “free” music engraving applications (e.g., NoteFlight, MuseScore, Dorico SE), I realise that what is really lacking is a web-accessible engraving application with a [Javascript?] GUI

Re: GUI for selecting text and music fonts

Hi, thanks a lot, both are great. I won't have time to integrate them this weekend, though. Best Urs Am 22.09.2018 um 11:38 schrieb foxfanfare: Hi Urs, Here are two new exemples. - One from Bach with several baroque glyphs Bach.JPG

Re: GUI for selecting text and music fonts

Hi Urs, Here are two new exemples. - One from Bach with several baroque glyphs Bach.JPG Bach_-_Goldberg_Variations.ly - One from Berg, for

Re: GUI for selecting text and music fonts

Am 22.09.2018 um 05:12 schrieb Karlin High: On 9/21/2018 1:32 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Similarly a "Music font" pull-down doesn't have to be limited to the font name. It could be a row with checkboxes, just like in the current version of the Music Fonts tab. Oh, good. I wasn't sure what would

Re: GUI for selecting text and music fonts

On 9/21/2018 1:32 PM, Urs Liska wrote: Similarly a "Music font" pull-down doesn't have to be limited to the font name. It could be a row with checkboxes, just like in the current version of the Music Fonts tab. Oh, good. I wasn't sure what would be available. I haven't looked at Qt developmen

Re: GUI for selecting text and music fonts (was: Sample document to show music fonts)

Hi Urs, this looks really great. I realized that I have different preferences whether I have to choose a text font for a paragraph of text or for some words like "cresc." or "dim." in a score. Therefore, I like the idea of showing the text font inside a score. I agree that a list of fonts is bet

Re: GUI for selecting text and music fonts

Am 21.09.2018 um 20:24 schrieb Br. Samuel Springuel: The one problem that jumps out at me about Karlin's proposal is that the information about the font type (OTF, SVG, WOFF) and whether or not that type has a defined brace would be lost.  That sort of information can be important depending o

Re: GUI for selecting text and music fonts

The one problem that jumps out at me about Karlin's proposal is that the information about the font type (OTF, SVG, WOFF) and whether or not that type has a defined brace would be lost. That sort of information can be important depending on your target file format. If you can find a way to sh

Re: GUI for selecting text and music fonts

On 9/21/2018 11:51 AM, Urs Liska wrote: What do you think? What would be helpful as an interface with the least need for context switching? Here's the first thing that comes to mind. No emotional investment, any modifying or rejection of concept is fine. PNG attached. Main dialog shows musi

GUI for selecting text and music fonts (was: Sample document to show music fonts)

made available from the Score Wizard) Now I'm a bit insecure how to organize the GUI, and I think it would be good to have some feedback before continuing. Right now I have a dialog with two tabs for *text* (screenshot attached) and for *music* (see other posts in this thread). * The text

Re: No progress messages on GUI under Windows 7

the newest >> version of Frescobaldi (2.0.11?) and (2) Phil Holmes tells me the >> behaviour is by design. Which is it? >> >> In Windows 7 64-bit, with UAC (user account control) on, I can get >> progress output only (A) if the GUI program is "run as administrat

Re: No progress messages on GUI under Windows 7

- Original Message - From: "Jeff Wahl" To: "Eluze" Cc: "Marek Klein" ; Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:58 PM Subject: Re: No progress messages on GUI under Windows 7 On 10/17/2013 5:07 PM, Eluze wrote: Am 17.10.2013 21:28, schrieb Marek Klein: 2

Re: The Drummer's 'G'igsaw: Upgrade + GUI for 'randomization'.

Le 08/06/2010 18:41, Phil Hézaine a écrit : > Hi all, > > A new version of Le Puzzle du Batteur - The Drummer's 'G'igsaw is > available at: > > http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr/spip.php?article46 > > New: > > - GUI for 'randomization&#x

The Drummer's 'G'igsaw: Upgrade + GUI for 'randomization'.

Hi all, A new version of Le Puzzle du Batteur - The Drummer's 'G'igsaw is available at: http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr/spip.php?article46 New: - GUI for 'randomization': You have to install Python 2.6.x from your Linux distribution with an activated Tk flag, so you&#x

Re: lilypond GUI editors

12. It displays the wrong fonts (clefs, > timesignatures) when I try to use 2.13. > > Why is life so complicated ... > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/lilypond-GUI-editors-tp28764971p28779821.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing

Re: lilypond GUI editors

Hi Jonathan, > do you currently get sad when you hear a piece of music that you like > better than something similar that you wrote yourself? Nope: I get inspired! But then again, that happens so seldom... ;) > I don't think such a thing will happen any time soon. Me neither: we can't even ge

Re: lilypond GUI editors

Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:07:59 -0400 From: Kieren MacMillan Subject: Re: lilypond GUI editors To: David Kastrup Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi David, > And you would not need one.  Why is everybody so keen on being able to &

Re: lilypond GUI editors

David Kastrup wrote: James Lowe writes: David Santamauro wrote: On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:38, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op donderdag 03-06-2010 om 11:02 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin Tarenskeen: Why is life so complicated ... Would life be fun if everything always worked? No, but

Re: lilypond GUI editors

Hi David, > And you would not need one. Why is everybody so keen on being able to > do something he would rather not do out of his own volition? What if one's job is something one *would* do of one's one volition? > The whole point of machines is to not have to work. It's time our structures

Re: lilypond GUI editors

James Lowe writes: > David Santamauro wrote: >> >> >> On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:38, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: >> >>> Op donderdag 03-06-2010 om 11:02 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin >>> Tarenskeen: >>> Why is life so complicated ... >>> >>> Would life be fun if everything always worked? >>>

Re: lilypond GUI editors

David Santamauro wrote: On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:38, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op donderdag 03-06-2010 om 11:02 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin Tarenskeen: Why is life so complicated ... Would life be fun if everything always worked? No, but it would surely be more productive. I'd be

Re: lilypond GUI editors

On Jun 3, 2010, at 5:38, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op donderdag 03-06-2010 om 11:02 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin Tarenskeen: Why is life so complicated ... Would life be fun if everything always worked? No, but it would surely be more productive. David _

Re: lilypond GUI editors

Op donderdag 03 juni 2010 schreef Martin: > Frescobaldi-1.1.1 requires, correct me if I am wrong, Lilypond 2.13 Just to build the icons, because of the new halfopen and snappizzicato articulations. If you download 1.1.1 and just run inside the frescobaldi-1.1.1 directory: cmake . make sudo mak

Re: lilypond GUI editors

Op donderdag 03-06-2010 om 11:02 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin Tarenskeen: > Why is life so complicated ... Would life be fun if everything always worked? -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyOfSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl

lilypond GUI editors

Hi, Playing around with the latest versions of Lilypond, Frescobaldi, and Canorus I noticed that: Frescobaldi-1.1.1 requires, correct me if I am wrong, Lilypond 2.13 But Canorus needs Lilypond 2.12. It displays the wrong fonts (clefs, timesignatures) when I try to use 2.13. Why is life so

Re: I just discovered the LilyPond Tool GUI Front end

> Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 23:37:23 + (UTC) > From: Charles Cave > Subject: I just discovered the LilyPond Tool GUI Front end > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I stumbled upon the Lilypond T

Re: I just discovered the LilyPond Tool GUI Front end

I think it is really nice. But my MIDI Keyboard don't work well with LPT, sometimes it even crashes jEdit. I'm on OSX 10.5.8, last jEdit and LPT versions. On 20 May 2010 03:23, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: > Charles Cave wrote: >> >> I stumbled upon the Lilypond Tool project on Source For

Re: I just discovered the LilyPond Tool GUI Front end

Charles Cave wrote: I stumbled upon the Lilypond Tool project on Source Forge because it was mentioned in a post on this forum. http://sourceforge.net/projects/lily4jedit/reviews/ What a wonderful looking program! I can connect me MIDI keyboard and enter notes by playing on the keyboard. I am

Re: I just discovered the LilyPond Tool GUI Front end

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:37:23PM +, Charles Cave wrote: > I stumbled upon the Lilypond Tool project on Source Forge > because it was mentioned in a post on this forum. > > I am surprised this program hasnt been mentioned more frequently > on this forum as it appears to be make Lilypond file

I just discovered the LilyPond Tool GUI Front end

I stumbled upon the Lilypond Tool project on Source Forge because it was mentioned in a post on this forum. http://sourceforge.net/projects/lily4jedit/reviews/ What a wonderful looking program! I can connect me MIDI keyboard and enter notes by playing on the keyboard. I am surprised this progra

Re: GUI for Windows

rendering engine, a GUI in the sense of "enter code and see the final score instantly" is probably some distance in the future. My toolkit of choice in Windows is the combination of jEdit <http://sourceforge.net/projects/jedit/files/jedit/4.3/jedit4.3install.exe/download> and

Re: GUI for Windows

Michael S. Morales wrote: My second question is will there ever be a graphical version for Windows? -- Because Lilypond is based on text files as input to a very sophisticated rendering engine, a GUI in the sense of "enter code and see the final score instantly" is probably som

GUI for Windows

My second question is will there ever be a graphical version for Windows? -- Regards, ~Michael~ "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." --- Albert Einstein ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lis

Re: GUI

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > - At http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/learning#Learning, I > find the formulation in "Read it": "read this manual in the same format as > this one." very confusing. I'm trying to explain the difference between ** READ IT @ref

Re: GUI

at you need a text editor. Well, the windows and OSX lilyponds come with their own text editor. I admit that I'm just assuming that linux users will be able to draw the inference that they need a text editor, which is no longer a safe assumption. Looking at the download page for Windows, I n

Re: GUI

e. Nor does 'create a file'. I have to create a file within an application, and since LilyPond didn't work in the GUI for me, I had no way to do that. To answer the last question of yours, no, the information wasn't hard to find. You've done a great job of making it easier

Re: GUI

e what you're talking about. Remember I'm on a Mac, so > 'create a directory' doesn't mean anything to me. Nor does 'create a > file'. I have to create a file within an application, and since > LilyPond didn't work in the GUI for me, I had no way to do

Re: GUI

I have not a clue what you're talking about. Remember I'm on a Mac, so 'create a directory' doesn't mean anything to me. Nor does 'create a file'. I have to create a file within an application, and since LilyPond didn't work in the GUI for me, I had

Re: GUI

that linux users will be able to draw the inference that they need a text editor, which is no longer a safe assumption. Looking at the download page for Windows, I notice that you say "If you are happy with the GUI", but don't say anything else about how to find this GUI. Perh

Re: GUI

Emacs users. The other editors are easier for people to start with and there's no good reason to present people with a double learning curve. I think this would be much more time- and resource-efficient than trying to develop and maintain a GUI for LilyPond. Heck, maybe the ma

Re: GUI

Hi Graham, On 18/12/09 09:38, Graham Percival wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you can suggest an improvement, especially in the Introduction pages, please do. LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are listed under "Alternate Input." Since thi

Re: GUI

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:04:05PM +0100, Mats Bengtsson wrote: > Quoting Graham Percival : > >> Thanks, I missed that! I'll add this to my TODO. > > I hope you also know that you end up at the 2.13 manual if you click on > the quick link to the "Manuals 2.12.2" on the main page. Yes; fixing th

Re: GUI

g it "Easier editing"? 'Aids' isn't much better for the layman than 'editor', 'GUI', etc. How about 'Other input methods'? Isn't this starting to get a bit silly? Seems like we are splitting hairs now. if someone cannot fathom ou

Re: GUI

ids". > > > Hmm, on second thought, what about calling it "Easier editing"? That > > alliterates, so it gets a 20% bonus to its attractiveness. :) > > But it is mostly wrong since the graphical programs usually don't allow > editing existing input at all, but rather _generate_ or export Lilypond > input. > 'Aids' isn't much better for the layman than 'editor', 'GUI', etc. How about 'Other input methods'? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: GUI

Quoting Graham Percival : On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 01:00:57AM -0800, -Eluze wrote: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development on this page clicking *Manuals* in the top note leads to the 2.12.2

Re: GUI

Il 18/12/2009 10:36, Francisco Vila ha scritto: 2009/12/18 Federico Bruni: I would add this line, before executing the file (I know Unix users should not have any problem with that, but still.. it's just a line.. and it can help newbies): chmod a+x lilypond-2.12.2-OS-TYPE.sh sh does not nee

Re: GUI

Graham Percival writes: > The *first* question is "how do we discourage people who don't want > lilypond from downloading it?" Some people don't get text input, and > will never take the time to learn. Such as my mother, for example. Yes, that's as important as it is for a violin academy to di

Re: GUI

Graham Percival writes: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >> > If you can suggest an improvement, especially in the >> > Introduction pages, please do. >> >> LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are listed under >> "Alternate Input." Since this link is to

Re: GUI

Forgive me for jumping in, as this is a long thread and I have only been partially reading it. However, I have a couple of comments which I hope will be useful. Firstly, I think the new web site looks great. I do not think the current site looks particularly bad (I have seen much worse), but it

Re: GUI

rmal work with LilyPond is, and the title is perfect. Alternate Input shows which editors you can use to produce that input. So the title - I agree with you - is not effective. For most of the programs listed it's still about writing text. I think we should separate text editors (advanced

Re: GUI

Quoting Federico Bruni : Il 18/12/2009 00:57, Graham Percival ha scritto: Pretend that you've never heard of lilypond. Does the webpage answer the questions, or present the information, that you wanted to know before you got involved? http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/index.htm

Re: GUI

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:47:26AM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote: > 2009/12/18 Graham Percival : > > Hmm, on second thought, what about calling it "Easier editing"? > > That alliterates, so it gets a 20% bonus to its attractiveness. :) > > I often call them Improved Environments. They are not only

Re: GUI

2009/12/18 Graham Percival : >> So the question is what action from the clicking on the "downloaded >> icon" will be the fastest leading to the average unsuspecting user >> writing and processing their first "Michael row the boat ashore" kind of >> file. > > The *first* question is "how do we disco

Re: GUI

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:36:57AM +0100, Francisco Vila wrote: > 2009/12/18 Federico Bruni : > > Il 18/12/2009 00:57, Graham Percival ha scritto: > >> > >> Pretend that you've never heard of lilypond.  Does the webpage > >> answer the questions, or present the information, that you wanted > >> to

Re: GUI

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 01:00:57AM -0800, -Eluze wrote: > > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development > > on this page clicking *Manuals* in the top note leads to the 2.12.2 manuals, > whereas

Re: GUI

2009/12/18 Graham Percival : > I'm willing to change the name, but I'm not convinced that any of > thsoe are more attractive than "alternate input".  More to the > point, the bottom of "text input" tries to direct people there, > with the "easier editing environments" stuff. > > Hmm, on second thou

Re: GUI

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 09:59:17AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Kees van den Doel writes: > > > Of course there is nothing really wrong with the current website. > > Most people will want to just download lilypond and try it out; who > > has time to read all the crap on a product's website? Onc

Re: GUI

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:32:50PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > If you can suggest an improvement, especially in the > > Introduction pages, please do. > > LilyPondTool, Frescobaldi, Emacs and Vim are listed under > "Alternate Input." Since this link is to the right of "Text > Input," the

Re: GUI

2009/12/18 Federico Bruni : > Il 18/12/2009 00:57, Graham Percival ha scritto: >> >> Pretend that you've never heard of lilypond.  Does the webpage >> answer the questions, or present the information, that you wanted >> to know before you got involved? >> >> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentat

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Il 18/12/2009 00:57, Graham Percival ha scritto: Pretend that you've never heard of lilypond. Does the webpage answer the questions, or present the information, that you wanted to know before you got involved? http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/index.html Here: http://lilypond.

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On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 09:34:26AM +0100, Valentin Villenave wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Graham Percival > wrote: > > No.  The alternate input page is extremely easy to find. > > With all due respect, you may be missing the point here. I haven't missed the point. > As I mentioned,

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http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/web/development#Development on this page clicking *Manuals* in the top note leads to the 2.12.2 manuals, whereas clicking *download* goes to the 2.13.9 downloads. -- View this me

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Kees van den Doel writes: > Of course there is nothing really wrong with the current website. > Most people will want to just download lilypond and try it out; who > has time to read all the crap on a product's website? Once they've > clicked on the downloaded icon on their screen something reas

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On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > No.  The alternate input page is extremely easy to find. With all due respect, you may be missing the point here. Bertalan's suggestion, as I read it, wasn't so much about the website presentation than the program distribution/packaging/bu

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pen. Kees - Original Message - From: Jonathan Wilkes Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:33 pm Subject: Re: GUI To: lilypond-user@gnu.org > > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:57:27 + > > From: Graham Percival > > Subject: Re: GUI > > To: Tim McNamar

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> Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:57:27 + > From: Graham Percival > Subject: Re: GUI > To: Tim McNamara > Cc: lilypond-user > Message-ID: <20091217235727.ga13...@sapphire> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [...] > I invite people -

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On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 05:47:49PM -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Graham Percival wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Kees van den Doel >> wrote: >>> Of course, most people do not know what an "editor" is, except >>> as some guy that puts articles in newpaper

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On Dec 17, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Graham Percival wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Kees van den Doel wrote: From: Graham Percival On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Valentin Villenave No. The alternate input page is extremely easy to find. "recommended" editors are right at the top of th

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- Original Message - From: Graham Percival Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009 12:48 pm Subject: Re: GUI To: Kees van den Doel Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Kees van den Doel > wrote: > > > > From: Graham Percival > >> On T

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On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Kees van den Doel wrote: > > From: Graham Percival >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Valentin Villenave >> No.  The alternate input page is extremely easy to find. >> "recommended" editors are right at the top of that page. > > Of course, most people do not know

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