Re: Independent rhythmic spacing between staves?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Saul,

> In my current project, I have a situation where the piano has fast arpeggios 
> at the same time as the strings play a steady, slower rhythm (see attached 
> screenshot). My feeling is that the best looking solution would be to 
> temporarily sacrifice rhythmic alignment between the piano part and the rest 
> of the staves, in order to maintain visually correct rhythmic spacing within 
> the strings and the piano part independently. Is there are way to accomplish 
> such a thing in Lilypond just for a measure or two?

As an extremely visually-oriented and detail-conscious musician, I feel your 
pain…

> How would you deal with engraving this sort of passage?

I would, if possible, avoid changing rhythmic alignment. Have you thought about 
making the arpeggio notes smaller, and then having a fixed X-extent for the 
string note-columns (reverted at the end of this passage)? That would at least 
make the spacing even in the string part, and the smaller piano notes would 
minimize the distortion.

Hope that helps!
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer
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Re: Independent rhythmic spacing between staves?

[Simon Albrecht]

On 22.10.2017 00:43, Saul Tobin wrote:
In my current project, I have a situation where the piano has fast 
arpeggios at the same time as the strings play a steady, slower rhythm 
(see attached screenshot). My feeling is that the best looking 
solution would be to temporarily sacrifice rhythmic alignment between 
the piano part and the rest of the staves, in order to maintain 
visually correct rhythmic spacing within the strings and the piano 
part independently. Is there are way to accomplish such a thing in 
Lilypond just for a measure or two? How would you deal with engraving 
this sort of passage?


I don’t think LilyPond offers any sensible way of doing this. Maybe you 
could tamper with scaled durations.
The models for LilyPond’s engraving are from the heyday of hand-engraved 
music (c. 1860–1960), and in this typesetting style it is never a good 
idea to violate rules so blatantly in order to improve looks. It’s 
different with manuscript music, or e.g. early engravings until around 
1800. But it is quite typical for such rhythmic distortions to occur 
whenever a full score features much faster notes (e.g. harp glissandi) 
than the others.
However, you could much reduce horizontal spacing between the 32nd 
notes: 
.


Best, Simon
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Re: Independent rhythmic spacing between staves?

[Vaughan McAlley]

Hi Saul,

For a bar or two here and there, maybe experiment with scaling durations:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/writing-rhythms#scaling-durations

Make the the first two quavers shorter and the next four longer. Work it
out so it all adds up.

Vaughan


On 22 October 2017 at 09:43, Saul Tobin  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In my current project, I have a situation where the piano has fast
> arpeggios at the same time as the strings play a steady, slower rhythm (see
> attached screenshot). My feeling is that the best looking solution would be
> to temporarily sacrifice rhythmic alignment between the piano part and the
> rest of the staves, in order to maintain visually correct rhythmic spacing
> within the strings and the piano part independently. Is there are way to
> accomplish such a thing in Lilypond just for a measure or two? How would
> you deal with engraving this sort of passage?
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
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Temporary independent rhythmic spacing between staves?

[Shevek]

Hi all,

In my current project, I have a situation where the piano has fast arpeggios
at the same time as the strings play a steady, slower rhythm (see
screenshot). My feeling is that the best looking solution would be to
temporarily sacrifice rhythmic alignment between the piano part and the rest
of the staves, in order to maintain visually correct rhythmic spacing within
the strings and the piano part independently. Is there are way to accomplish
such a thing in Lilypond just for a measure or two? How would you deal with
engraving this sort of passage?

Independent_Spacing.png
  



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Temporary independent rhythmic spacing between staves?

[Saul Tobin]

Hi all,

In my current project, I have a situation where the piano has fast
arpeggios at the same time as the strings play a steady, slower rhythm (see
attached screenshot). My feeling is that the best looking solution would be
to temporarily sacrifice rhythmic alignment between the piano part and the
rest of the staves, in order to maintain visually correct rhythmic spacing
within the strings and the piano part independently. Is there are way to
accomplish such a thing in Lilypond just for a measure or two? How would
you deal with engraving this sort of passage?

(PS apologies if this gets sent multiple times — for some reason when I
posted via Nabble it didn't show up.)

[image: Inline image 1]
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Independent rhythmic spacing between staves?

[Saul Tobin]

Hi all,

In my current project, I have a situation where the piano has fast
arpeggios at the same time as the strings play a steady, slower rhythm (see
attached screenshot). My feeling is that the best looking solution would be
to temporarily sacrifice rhythmic alignment between the piano part and the
rest of the staves, in order to maintain visually correct rhythmic spacing
within the strings and the piano part independently. Is there are way to
accomplish such a thing in Lilypond just for a measure or two? How would
you deal with engraving this sort of passage?

[image: Inline image 1]
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