Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-31 Thread Peter Toye
Werner, :-)>   The problem with ligatures is that they have 3 meanings - ties, bowing/breathing marks and phrasing marks. And sometimes a note will have all three. But this is getting a bit off-topic. Best regards, Peter mailto:lilyp...@ptoye.com www.ptoye.com -

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-31 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Well, just look at a Mahler score. He was one of the great > conductors, and the strings are full of bowing marks. How many of > them are followed by conductors these days I don't know. Well, just look at a Richard Strauss score :-) His scores are full of legatos in the strings which are

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Peter Toye
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Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Simon Bailey
Hi all, well that kicked off more of a discussion than I expected :D I'm just going to roll all the replies into one mail. On Mon, 30 May 2022 at 13:50, Andrew Bernard wrote: > Well the Beethoven 5th Piano Concerto has pedalling in it. At least the > first edition by B I'd expect it in a

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Peter Toye
> Cc: Simon Bailey ,  Lilypond-User Mailing List >         > Subject: Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores > Message-ID: <87sforuq1n@fencepost.gnu.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Kieren MacMillan writes: >> Hi Simon, >>> when prepa

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Kira, > If it’s for a whole section, either it’s the composer or the orchestra > librarian. Who cares of the conductor changes it, that’s their choice. > If it’s for a single player like a keyboardist, I would be inclined to leave > more open to the player - I am a keyboardist with

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Kira Garvie
Well, someone has to put that info in. If it’s for a whole section, either it’s the composer or the orchestra librarian. Who cares of the conductor changes it, that’s their choice. If it’s for a single player like a keyboardist, I would be inclined to leave more open to the player - I am a

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, > It's a matter of efficiency for sections expected to sightread large > parts of their material to work with performance-ready information even > if it results from arbitrary choices. Literally every orchestra and ensemble I’ve ever worked with as composer or arranger — which now

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> I disagree. There is no point in cluttering the conductor's part with >> stuff like fingerings (only relevant to the player) and bowing >> directions (section leader material). > > Actually, we agree completely: I believe there’s no point in >

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, > I disagree. There is no point in cluttering the conductor's part with > stuff like fingerings (only relevant to the player) and bowing > directions (section leader material). Actually, we agree completely: I believe there’s no point in cluttering performers’ parts with fingerings

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi Simon, > >> when preparing a conductor's score that also includes a piano (as an >> ensemble, not soloist) part, do you also include the pedalling >> information for the piano? > > IMO, a conductor’s score should contain essentially all the > information in the

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Valentin Petzel
Hi Simon, I’d say this probably depends how intrusive the pedalling indications are to the score. If you get clear advantages from doing so then it would be reasonable to do it, it you do not there is no real reason to do it. Generally omitting information from a conductors score is not

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Simon, > when preparing a conductor's score that also includes a piano (as an > ensemble, not soloist) part, do you also include the pedalling information > for the piano? IMO, a conductor’s score should contain essentially all the information in the performers’ parts, although possibly in

Re: Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Andrew Bernard
Well the Beethoven 5th Piano Concerto has pedalling in it. At least the first edition by B Simon Bailey wrote on 30/05/2022 9:48 PM: I realise that this is not necessarily a lilypond question per se, more of a general question for the professional copyists here: when preparing a conductor's

Piano pedalling in (conductor) scores

2022-05-30 Thread Simon Bailey
Hi, I realise that this is not necessarily a lilypond question per se, more of a general question for the professional copyists here: when preparing a conductor's score that also includes a piano (as an ensemble, not soloist) part, do you also include the pedalling information for the piano? How