Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Richard M
This discrepancy is actually what led to my question. Why does LilyPond notate it one way, while this image shows another? (My research has shown at the image you provided was custom made in MuseScore.) Although G♯ major is enharmonic to A♭, there are still pieces that use these "theoretical"

Re: 2.19.81 not quoting text

2018-02-07 Thread David Kastrup
Paul Scott writes: > When I use \quoteDuring or \cueDuring I set Score.quotedCueEventTypes to > include all the choices in NR 1.6.3. > > \set Score.quotedCueEventTypes = #'(note-event rest-event tie-event > beam-event

Re: LilyPond Downloads broken?

2018-02-07 Thread Maarten van der Peet
Thank you very much. I subscribed to the list just for this question, after I entered an empty IRC channel. Spooky. Didn't know IRC still existed. :-) Maarten On 7 Feb 2018, at 16:22, Phil Holmes > wrote: Available from

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Ben
On 2/7/2018 1:47 PM, Richard M wrote: Hello, list, how does LilyPond create the key signature for Gis major? I've attached a file to compile the key signature, which results in: C#, G#, D#, A#, E#, B#, and Fx. It is interesting to me that the key signature begins with C#, and the Fx is

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Blöchl Bernhard
You mention f♭? Then you get a double ♭! " {\key fes \major c d e} You go better with {\key e \major c d e} That double crosses and double ♭s happen frequently if you transcripe music. in this cases it's better to use the circle of fifth/fourth, however you might call it. Am 07.02.2018

Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Richard M
Hello, list, how does LilyPond create the key signature for Gis major? I've attached a file to compile the key signature, which results in: C#, G#, D#, A#, E#, B#, and Fx. It is interesting to me that the key signature begins with C#, and the Fx is placed at the end. I'm wondering if

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.02.2018 um 21:13 schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: You mention f♭? Then you get a double ♭! " {\key fes \major c d e} You go better with {\key e \major c d e} That double crosses and double ♭s happen frequently if you transcripe music. in this cases it's better to use the circle of

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi Urs, 2018-02-07 22:18 GMT+01:00 Urs Liska : > I'd always argue that depending on the style (actually most European music > from the 18th until far into the 20th century) E major is worlds apart from > Fes major (and with "worlds" I really mean heaven/earth, life/death,

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Karlin High
On 2/7/2018 4:04 PM, Thomas Morley wrote: Always nice as reference for extreme notation issues: http://homes.soic.indiana.edu/donbyrd/CMNExtremes.htm Interesting, thanks! My productivity is slowly recovering now. -- Karlin High Missouri, USA ___

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.02.2018 um 22:56 schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: If you use equally tempered scale f♭ major is really identical with e major. (That is not true in just tempered tuning.) May be with my limited knowledge of music I misunderstood something? Maybe you should start sudying music as an artistic

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.02.2018 um 22:56 schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: If you use equally tempered scale f♭ major is really identical with e major. (That is not true in just tempered tuning.) May be with my limited knowledge of music I misunderstood something? Maybe you should start sudying music as an artistic

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.02.2018 um 23:04 schrieb Thomas Morley: Hi Urs, 2018-02-07 22:18 GMT+01:00 Urs Liska : I'd always argue that depending on the style (actually most European music from the 18th until far into the 20th century) E major is worlds apart from Fes major (and with

Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread klose
As a long time Sibelius user, I recently changed into Lilypond. So far the only thing I don't like is the treble clef shape. Is there any way to change it? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing

The shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread klose
Hi, I am a long time Sibelius user and changed to Lilypond recently. The only thing I don't like so far is the shape of treble clef. Anyways to change it? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread klose
Hi, as a long time Sibelius user, I recently changed into Lilypond. The only thing I don't like so far is the shape of treble clef. Any ways to change it? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Richard, Good question, and lots of good answers. Modern practice is to follow the order of the circle of fifths. But that was not always the case. So, indeed, depends on your historical context. Bach was writing in G sharp for the WTC, and it was most certainly not intended to be enharmonic

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Blöchl Bernhard
I had a look at the sheet music and found it's f minor. As I alredy mentioned f minor is different from fb major. Am 07.02.2018 22:36, schrieb Urs Liska: Am 07.02.2018 um 22:18 schrieb Urs Liska: My favourite example is in Schubert's song Schwangesang D 744

Fwd: Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Blöchl Bernhard
Add on: I remember, that the brass and reed instruments always wanted keys with minor signs. They have flaps to lower the tone a half step but not to raise it I argue that might be the reason for such "strange" keys from the perspective of other instrumentalists?

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread David Kastrup
Torsten Hämmerle writes: > As to the "official" order of accidentals, Elaine Gould writes: "The order > of accidentals follows the 'cycle of fifths'." I think that's pretty unambiguous. > This, unfortunately, is not very clear for the "theoretical keys" containing >

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Blöchl Bernhard
If you use equally tempered scale f♭ major is really identical with e major. (That is not true in just tempered tuning.) May be with my limited knowledge of music I misunderstood something? Schwanengesang has 4 ♭s. Concerning to the circle of fifth that is f minor or a♭ major. That is not the

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Hans Åberg
> On 7 Feb 2018, at 22:18, Urs Liska wrote: > >> That double crosses and double ♭s happen frequently if you transcripe music. >> in this cases it's better to use the circle of fifth/fourth, however you >> might call it. > > Wow, quite a bold statement, given that we

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Torsten Hämmerle
Hi Richard, That's an interesting question, indeed... Richard M wrote > Why does LilyPond notate it one way, [...] LilyPond uses a list keyAlterationOrder containing the order of alterations printed. It is defined as follows in engraver-init.ly: keyAlterationOrder = #`( (6 . ,FLAT) (2

Re: Gis major key signature; Lily's key signature algorithm

2018-02-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 07.02.2018 um 22:18 schrieb Urs Liska: My favourite example is in Schubert's song Schwangesang D 744 (http://imslp.org/wiki/Schwanengesang,_D.744_(Schubert,_Franz) ). The song is in a flat major, then turns to the darker mood of the variant a flat minor and its parallel c flat major (both

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread Urs Liska
Am 8. Februar 2018 07:39:43 MEZ schrieb klose : >Hi Andrew, > >Thank you for your reply but it looks like the ink is dead? > > look at musictypefoundry.com > >-- >Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html > >___

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi klose, Welcome to lilypond. You can change pretty much every single thing in lilypond, one way or another. It admits of vast flexibility - unparalleled in fact. Our colleague here Abraham Lee (tismist) has made some very fine and eminently usable engraving fonts. You may care to check them

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread klose
Thank you but they are not free. Any manuals explaining how to do it by myself? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread Jacques Menu Muzhic
> Le 8 févr. 2018 à 07:39, klose a écrit : > > Hi Andrew, > > Thank you for your reply but it looks like the ink is dead? Intended pun, given the post subject? JM ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread Shane Brandes
See section in the documentation 3.4.4 Replacing the notation font What is it you don't like about that glyph? Your not the only person who has said as much and I have yet to hear a decent explanation. It would also be possible to edit your own version, but it is sort of a cumbersome

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread klose
Hi Shane, You are right, I don't like the glyph of the treble clef. In my opinion, the long line should be a straight one (like we see in Sibelius and Finale) instead of a curved one. Regards -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Shane, I note very briefly that regarding the design of the Cadence font by Abraham Leigh he gives this reason: In Cadence, I took the liberty of adjusting a few of the glyphs to suit my tastes better. For example, the Emmentaler treble clef is just a little too stylized for me, almost like

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Klose, How very peculiar. While replying to you that linked worked just fine (but I did think it looked somewhat out of date re content). Now going back there as a result of your email the link is dead. Perhaps some strange web server caching kicked in a updated the dead link to a notification

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread klose
Hi Andrew, Thank you for your reply but it looks like the ink is dead? -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: The shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Hi Klose, See: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=900 Which shape are you looking for ? Cheers, Pierre 2018-02-08 0:46 GMT+01:00 klose : > Hi, I am a long time Sibelius user and changed to Lilypond recently. The > only > thing I don't like so far is the shape of treble

Re: Change the shape of treble clef

2018-02-07 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider
Hi Klose, Here's a possibility (v.2.19) : % \version "2.19" %% Defs: #(define-markup-command (gClef layout props thk mlt) (number? number?) (interpret-markup layout props (markup (#:stencil (make-path-stencil '(M 1.117 -2.778 C 0.73 -2.782 0.363 -2.364 0.484

LilyPond Downloads broken?

2018-02-07 Thread Maarten van der Peet
Dear all, there's something wrong with the dowloads. >From http://lilypond.org/unix.html I wanted to download the 64-bit version. http://download.linuxaudio.org/lilypond/binaries/linux-64/lilypond-2.18.2-1.linux-64.sh Not Found The requested URL

Re: LilyPond Downloads broken?

2018-02-07 Thread Phil Holmes
Available from http://lilypond.org/downloads/binaries/ currently. -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Maarten van der Peet To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 9:42 AM Subject: LilyPond Downloads broken? Dear all, there's something

2.19.81 not quoting text

2018-02-07 Thread Paul Scott
When I use \quoteDuring or \cueDuring I set Score.quotedCueEventTypes to include all the choices in NR 1.6.3. \set Score.quotedCueEventTypes = #'(note-event rest-event tie-event beam-event tuplet-span-event