Re: Solution to have repeats with upbeat and different alternatives??
Thats it!!
thanx - steve
> On 2018-05-17 10:22, st...@linuxsuite.org wrote:
>> I posted a piece of simplified code to illustrate. This is what
>> the default does
>> isnt 'it??
>>
>>
>> https://ln.sync.com/dl/2d42a9350/ukfaa7s8-rpenm7ne-xqxv7mpk-x99vbzbw
>>
>> [ . . . ]
>>
>> the code below prints an extraneous bar in the second alternative
>> at
>> the end.
>>
>> [ . . . ]
>>
>> test.ly ***
>>
>> \version "2.18.2"
>>
>> music = \relative c''
>> {
>> \time 3/4
>>
>> \partial 4 a8 a |
>> a4 a a |
>>
>> \repeat volta2
>> {
>> b4 b b | b4 b b |
>> }
>> \alternative {
>> { b4 b b | }
>> { c4 c }
>> }
>>
>> \repeat volta 2
>> {
>> d8 d | d4 d d |
>> }
>> \alternative {
>> { d4 d }
>> { e4 e4 e4 }
>> }
>> }
>>
>> \score { \music }
>
> Using the snippet you provided and running against 2.19.81, I do not see
> the barline you are seeing. (See attachment: upbeat-repeat.preview.png)
>
> It would seem that the newer version handles implicit partial measures
> automatically.
>
> One option is to use \partial explicitly, however LilyPond 2.18.2 warns
> about this practice. 2.19.81 does not:
>
>
>\repeat volta 2 { d8 d | d4 d d | }
>\alternative {
> { \partial 2 d4 d }
> { e4 e4 e4 | }
>}
>
>
> You could also simply change time signatures secretly:
>
>
>\repeat volta 2 { d8 d | d4 d d | }
>\alternative {
> { \omit Score.TimeSignature \time 2/4 d4 d }
> { \time 3/4 e4 e4 e4 | }
>}
>\undo \omit Score.TimeSignature
>
>
> That option seems to work in both 2.18.2 and 2.19.81 without any
> warnings.
>
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Re: Solution to have repeats with upbeat and different alternatives??
On 2018-05-17 10:22, st...@linuxsuite.org wrote:
I posted a piece of simplified code to illustrate. This is what
the default does
isnt 'it??
https://ln.sync.com/dl/2d42a9350/ukfaa7s8-rpenm7ne-xqxv7mpk-x99vbzbw
[ . . . ]
the code below prints an extraneous bar in the second alternative
at
the end.
[ . . . ]
test.ly ***
\version "2.18.2"
music = \relative c''
{
\time 3/4
\partial 4 a8 a |
a4 a a |
\repeat volta2
{
b4 b b | b4 b b |
}
\alternative {
{ b4 b b | }
{ c4 c }
}
\repeat volta 2
{
d8 d | d4 d d |
}
\alternative {
{ d4 d }
{ e4 e4 e4 }
}
}
\score { \music }
Using the snippet you provided and running against 2.19.81, I do not see
the barline you are seeing. (See attachment: upbeat-repeat.preview.png)
It would seem that the newer version handles implicit partial measures
automatically.
One option is to use \partial explicitly, however LilyPond 2.18.2 warns
about this practice. 2.19.81 does not:
\repeat volta 2 { d8 d | d4 d d | }
\alternative {
{ \partial 2 d4 d }
{ e4 e4 e4 | }
}
You could also simply change time signatures secretly:
\repeat volta 2 { d8 d | d4 d d | }
\alternative {
{ \omit Score.TimeSignature \time 2/4 d4 d }
{ \time 3/4 e4 e4 e4 | }
}
\undo \omit Score.TimeSignature
That option seems to work in both 2.18.2 and 2.19.81 without any
warnings.
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Re: Solution to have repeats with upbeat and different alternatives??
> Hi Steve,
>
> Just going to chime in here, that I believe it will come out like the
> latter version you prefer by default.
>
I am finished the basic engraving for 3 guitars, but can't get the
repeats the
way they should be.
I posted a piece of simplified code to illustrate. This is what
the default does
isnt 'it??
https://ln.sync.com/dl/2d42a9350/ukfaa7s8-rpenm7ne-xqxv7mpk-x99vbzbw
or what is the default?
For interest, here is a page from the first edition, It has
the upbeat
in the repeat but then an obvious error in the first alternative, ie. it
repeats the upbeat at
the end of the bar.
https://ln.sync.com/dl/e1bb35540/twus49gv-5kwieeek-8ajtjrkd-vk72mh4s
As far as standard practice, every version on imslp publised after the
first edition
has "fixed" the error by moving the upbeat before the repeat.
I agree that the second version with the upbeat in the repeat is
preferable, but
I can't seem to do it with lilypond.
the code below prints an extraneous bar in the second alternative at
the end.
So what is wrong with this code.?? How can we do this, what I
think most modern
engravers would consider more correct?
thanx - steve
test.ly ***
\version "2.18.2"
music = \relative c''
{
\time 3/4
\partial 4 a8 a |
a4 a a |
\repeat volta2
{
b4 b b | b4 b b |
}
\alternative {
{ b4 b b | }
{ c4 c }
}
\repeat volta 2
{
d8 d | d4 d d |
}
\alternative {
{ d4 d }
{ e4 e4 e4 }
}
}
\score { \music }
>Original is subjective here, some editor did that for some reason in the
> first example. That's not really standard practice.
>
> Have you started scoring it for guitars yet? Are you experiencing an issue
> getting it to come out the way you want?
>
> Amy
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:07 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>>Well, I mean it appears that the same thing is scored
>> differently.
>> The first entrance
>> has the upbeat before the repeat. If you look at this link of the first
>> entrance with
>> the downbeat a half note C flat in the third system
>>
>> https://ln.sync.com/dl/e80999780/f4ravrje-6gg923k6-id9vw4ub-4bc39fdp
>>
>>the second entrance, in this link, the fourth system starts a repeat
>> that includes the upbeat.
>>
>> https://ln.sync.com/dl/17a64e740/7vb6gz87-hi7jxedr-x9rpws6e-tw7z5yma
>>
>> The repeat is preceded by a second alternative that is an
>> incomplete measure of 2 beats. Not sure why it is notated
>> differently than its first entrance, in which has the upbeat in
>> the second
>> alternative that precedes the repeat, but I do prefer the later, and in
>> my
>> arrangement of this work for 3 guitars I want to use the later solution
>> for both
>> for consistency. Or at least I want to maintain the original.
>>
>> And I can't find a lilypond solution.. and / or a reason why they are
>> notated differently.
>>
>> -steve
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> > I'm unclear what the problem is. Seems also easy. Can you show your
>> code?
>> >
>> > I am also puzzled about you saying there are several ways to set the
>> first
>> > part. Again, I cant see how one would do it differently to how I
>> showed.
>> > This proves I don't know what you are referring to as your difficulty.
>> Can
>> > you elaborate?
>> >
>> > Keep it on the list - no need for a private chat. Others may
>> understand
>> > better than I what you want.
>> >
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> >
>> > On 18 May 2018 at 00:55, wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Hi Steve,
>> >> >
>> >> > Does this sketch help you out?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, I am aware of that solution... and there are a
>> couple
>> >> of
>> >> others...
>> >>
>> >> I am trying to render this second appearance of this after
>> the
>> >> trio. Here is a
>> >> a page. The part I am interested in has the downbeat a C flat half
>> note
>> >> and the
>> >> upbeat is in the repeat section.. Also the second alternative has 3
>> >> beats
>> >> and continues
>> >> into the coda.
>> >>
>> >> https://ln.sync.com/dl/17a64e740/7vb6gz87-hi7jxedr-x9rpws6e-tw7z5yma
>> >>
>> >> Not sure why it is different than its first appearance? I
>> prefer
>> >> the later as it moves the entire phrase into the repeat
>> >> section
>> >>
>> >> -steve
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: Solution to have repeats with upbeat and different alternatives??
Hi Steve, Just going to chime in here, that I believe it will come out like the latter version you prefer by default. Original is subjective here, some editor did that for some reason in the first example. That's not really standard practice. Have you started scoring it for guitars yet? Are you experiencing an issue getting it to come out the way you want? Amy On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:07 PM, wrote: > >Well, I mean it appears that the same thing is scored differently. > The first entrance > has the upbeat before the repeat. If you look at this link of the first > entrance with > the downbeat a half note C flat in the third system > > https://ln.sync.com/dl/e80999780/f4ravrje-6gg923k6-id9vw4ub-4bc39fdp > >the second entrance, in this link, the fourth system starts a repeat > that includes the upbeat. > > https://ln.sync.com/dl/17a64e740/7vb6gz87-hi7jxedr-x9rpws6e-tw7z5yma > > The repeat is preceded by a second alternative that is an > incomplete measure of 2 beats. Not sure why it is notated > differently than its first entrance, in which has the upbeat in > the second > alternative that precedes the repeat, but I do prefer the later, and in my > arrangement of this work for 3 guitars I want to use the later solution > for both > for consistency. Or at least I want to maintain the original. > > And I can't find a lilypond solution.. and / or a reason why they are > notated differently. > > -steve > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > I'm unclear what the problem is. Seems also easy. Can you show your code? > > > > I am also puzzled about you saying there are several ways to set the > first > > part. Again, I cant see how one would do it differently to how I showed. > > This proves I don't know what you are referring to as your difficulty. > Can > > you elaborate? > > > > Keep it on the list - no need for a private chat. Others may understand > > better than I what you want. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > On 18 May 2018 at 00:55, wrote: > > > >> > Hi Steve, > >> > > >> > Does this sketch help you out? > >> > >> Thanks, I am aware of that solution... and there are a couple > >> of > >> others... > >> > >> I am trying to render this second appearance of this after the > >> trio. Here is a > >> a page. The part I am interested in has the downbeat a C flat half note > >> and the > >> upbeat is in the repeat section.. Also the second alternative has 3 > >> beats > >> and continues > >> into the coda. > >> > >> https://ln.sync.com/dl/17a64e740/7vb6gz87-hi7jxedr-x9rpws6e-tw7z5yma > >> > >> Not sure why it is different than its first appearance? I prefer > >> the later as it moves the entire phrase into the repeat > >> section > >> > >> -steve > >> > >> > > ___ > > lilypond-user mailing list > > lilypond-user@gnu.org > > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > > > > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Solution to have repeats with upbeat and different alternatives??
Well, I mean it appears that the same thing is scored differently. The first entrance has the upbeat before the repeat. If you look at this link of the first entrance with the downbeat a half note C flat in the third system https://ln.sync.com/dl/e80999780/f4ravrje-6gg923k6-id9vw4ub-4bc39fdp the second entrance, in this link, the fourth system starts a repeat that includes the upbeat. https://ln.sync.com/dl/17a64e740/7vb6gz87-hi7jxedr-x9rpws6e-tw7z5yma The repeat is preceded by a second alternative that is an incomplete measure of 2 beats. Not sure why it is notated differently than its first entrance, in which has the upbeat in the second alternative that precedes the repeat, but I do prefer the later, and in my arrangement of this work for 3 guitars I want to use the later solution for both for consistency. Or at least I want to maintain the original. And I can't find a lilypond solution.. and / or a reason why they are notated differently. -steve > Hi Steve, > > I'm unclear what the problem is. Seems also easy. Can you show your code? > > I am also puzzled about you saying there are several ways to set the first > part. Again, I cant see how one would do it differently to how I showed. > This proves I don't know what you are referring to as your difficulty. Can > you elaborate? > > Keep it on the list - no need for a private chat. Others may understand > better than I what you want. > > Andrew > > > On 18 May 2018 at 00:55, wrote: > >> > Hi Steve, >> > >> > Does this sketch help you out? >> >> Thanks, I am aware of that solution... and there are a couple >> of >> others... >> >> I am trying to render this second appearance of this after the >> trio. Here is a >> a page. The part I am interested in has the downbeat a C flat half note >> and the >> upbeat is in the repeat section.. Also the second alternative has 3 >> beats >> and continues >> into the coda. >> >> https://ln.sync.com/dl/17a64e740/7vb6gz87-hi7jxedr-x9rpws6e-tw7z5yma >> >> Not sure why it is different than its first appearance? I prefer >> the later as it moves the entire phrase into the repeat >> section >> >> -steve >> >> > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Solution to have repeats with upbeat and different alternatives??
Hi Steve, I'm unclear what the problem is. Seems also easy. Can you show your code? I am also puzzled about you saying there are several ways to set the first part. Again, I cant see how one would do it differently to how I showed. This proves I don't know what you are referring to as your difficulty. Can you elaborate? Keep it on the list - no need for a private chat. Others may understand better than I what you want. Andrew On 18 May 2018 at 00:55, wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > > > Does this sketch help you out? > > Thanks, I am aware of that solution... and there are a couple of > others... > > I am trying to render this second appearance of this after the > trio. Here is a > a page. The part I am interested in has the downbeat a C flat half note > and the > upbeat is in the repeat section.. Also the second alternative has 3 beats > and continues > into the coda. > > https://ln.sync.com/dl/17a64e740/7vb6gz87-hi7jxedr-x9rpws6e-tw7z5yma > > Not sure why it is different than its first appearance? I prefer > the later as it moves the entire phrase into the repeat > section > > -steve > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Solution to have repeats with upbeat and different alternatives??
> Hi Steve,
>
> Does this sketch help you out?
Thanks, I am aware of that solution... and there are a couple of
others...
I am trying to render this second appearance of this after the
trio. Here is a
a page. The part I am interested in has the downbeat a C flat half note
and the
upbeat is in the repeat section.. Also the second alternative has 3 beats
and continues
into the coda.
https://ln.sync.com/dl/17a64e740/7vb6gz87-hi7jxedr-x9rpws6e-tw7z5yma
Not sure why it is different than its first appearance? I prefer
the later as it moves the entire phrase into the repeat
section
-steve
>
> Andrew
>
>
> \version "2.19.81"
>
> {
> \time 3/4
> \key es \major
> \partial 4 bes8. ees'16 |
> ees'2 g'8. es'16 |
> \repeat volta 2
> {
> es'4 d'4. es'8 |
> R1*3/4^\markup "etc"
> }
> \alternative
> {
> {
> g'4 f'8 bes'8\rest bes8. es'16 |
> es'2 g'8. es'16 |
> }
> {
> g'4 f'8 bes'8\rest
> \bar "||"
> bes'8. ces''16
> }
> }
> \repeat volta 2
> {
> ces''2 bes'8 a'\trill |
> R1*3/4^\markup "etc"
> }
> \alternative
> {
> {
> f''4 es''8 bes'8\rest bes'8. ces''16 |
> }
> {
> f''4 es''8 bes'8\rest
> }
> }
> \bar "|."
> }
>
>
> By the way, the list is lilypond-user not lilypond-users. Some of your
> email has the latter, which is incorrect.
>
>
> On 17 May 2018 at 22:52, wrote:
>
>>
>>Ooops.. Opus 31 no 3, "Menuetto"
>>
>>
>>
> Click here to Reply or Forward
>
>
> On 17 May 2018 at 22:52, wrote:
>
>>
>>Ooops.. Opus 31 no 3, "Menuetto"
>>
>> -steve
>>
>> > Hi Steve,
>> >
>> > Opus 31 has only three Sonatas, not four. What work are you referring
>> to?
>> >
>> > Dare I say, don't you just have an extra note in the last second
>> > alternative? Perhaps if I could find the Allegretto you are referring
>> to
>> > it
>> > would help see what you are actually asking. Let us know which Sonata.
>> >
>> > Andrew
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Solution to have repeats with upbeat and different alternatives??
Hi Steve,
Does this sketch help you out?
Andrew
\version "2.19.81"
{
\time 3/4
\key es \major
\partial 4 bes8. ees'16 |
ees'2 g'8. es'16 |
\repeat volta 2
{
es'4 d'4. es'8 |
R1*3/4^\markup "etc"
}
\alternative
{
{
g'4 f'8 bes'8\rest bes8. es'16 |
es'2 g'8. es'16 |
}
{
g'4 f'8 bes'8\rest
\bar "||"
bes'8. ces''16
}
}
\repeat volta 2
{
ces''2 bes'8 a'\trill |
R1*3/4^\markup "etc"
}
\alternative
{
{
f''4 es''8 bes'8\rest bes'8. ces''16 |
}
{
f''4 es''8 bes'8\rest
}
}
\bar "|."
}
By the way, the list is lilypond-user not lilypond-users. Some of your
email has the latter, which is incorrect.
On 17 May 2018 at 22:52, wrote:
>
>Ooops.. Opus 31 no 3, "Menuetto"
>
>
>
Click here to Reply or Forward
On 17 May 2018 at 22:52, wrote:
>
>Ooops.. Opus 31 no 3, "Menuetto"
>
> -steve
>
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Opus 31 has only three Sonatas, not four. What work are you referring to?
> >
> > Dare I say, don't you just have an extra note in the last second
> > alternative? Perhaps if I could find the Allegretto you are referring to
> > it
> > would help see what you are actually asking. Let us know which Sonata.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Solution to have repeats with upbeat and different alternatives??
Hi Steve, Opus 31 has only three Sonatas, not four. What work are you referring to? Dare I say, don't you just have an extra note in the last second alternative? Perhaps if I could find the Allegretto you are referring to it would help see what you are actually asking. Let us know which Sonata. Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
