Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

On 10/08/2016 11:11 PM, Ambrose Andrews wrote: > I haven't head anyone even try to explain or justify why ABS kept > asking people to try again in fifteen minutes long after they'd > decided to shut the thing down. Go to https://www.census.abs.gov.au/eCensusWeb/welcome.jsp#top2 and click on

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

On 10/08/2016 9:21 PM, Roger Clarke wrote: > At 20:57 +1000 10/8/16, Craig Sanders wrote: >> Blame the hackers! Say they're from North Korea and the government can >> hide it under the national security rug. > Okay, North Korea's a safe catch-all bogeyman. > > But it's the mentions of China that

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

(Safety tip: These are not quotes, and my memory may be exaggerating) -AA. ___ Link mailing list Link@mailman.anu.edu.au http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

On 10 August 2016 at 21:21, Roger Clarke wrote: > But it's the mentions of China that throw me. > > Who dreamt that up?? I heard an interview with Sulette Dreyfus in which the journo asked a series of unprovoked questions involving China, including whether it was

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

On 11/08/2016 9:26 AM, JanW wrote: > There is a bit of irony here that the data they want is in order to do > better planning. If this project is any example of their models for > general social planning research, is it any wonder we don't have the > right number of schools, roads, hospitals, and

[LINK] The numbers just don't add up.

There have been multiple reports that the census system was rated at 260 forms/sec "At its peak, 150 forms were being submitted per second online. Mr McCormack says this was well within system capacity of 260 forms per second."

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

Mmmm …. and its still down now (6 am Thursday morning). Bottom line: If there really was a series of DDOS attacks (which has been by no means proved, and will probably only be proved if third parties verify traffic stats .. and the ABS produces the logs) then the ABS are incompetent and should

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

I would be curious whether there were distributed servers or not. Marghanita On 11/08/16 06:54, Frank O'Connor wrote: Mmmm …. and its still down now (6 am Thursday morning). Bottom line: If there really was a series of DDOS attacks (which has been by no means proved, and will probably only

Re: [LINK] The numbers just don't add up.

On 11/08/2016 12:13 pm, Ben Elliston wrote: On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:01:54PM +1000, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: Let's see if they try and organise people to fill in their on-line censuses alphabetically, or by state, or star sign, or medicare number .. which is how it should have been

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

well a good news story from me ... I completed my paper form in 10 minutes sans name and date of birth (it said I could put my age in and I did) and its in its envelope ready for posting today! I wonder if it will get keyed into a database somewhere and how much hounding I will suffer in

Re: [LINK] The numbers just don't add up.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:01:54PM +1000, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > Let's see if they try and organise people to fill in their on-line > censuses alphabetically, or by state, or star sign, or medicare > number .. which is how it should have been done in the first place. Why build a system

Re: [LINK] The numbers just don't add up.

On 11/08/2016 12:13 PM, Ben Elliston wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:01:54PM +1000, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > >> Let's see if they try and organise people to fill in their on-line >> censuses alphabetically, or by state, or star sign, or medicare >> number > .. which is how it should

Re: [LINK] The numbers just don't add up.

At 12:13 PM 11/08/2016, Ben Elliston wrote: >.. which is how it should have been done in the first place. Why >build a system with such a high peak capacity when you could smooth it >out over several days (say, Queensland Monday, Victoria Tuesday, NSW >Wednesday) and do it with less kit? Yep,

Re: [LINK] The numbers just don't add up.

The Census website is operational again. It will be interesting to see if it handles the load better this evening. Regards, Michael Skeggs ___ Link mailing list Link@mailman.anu.edu.au http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link

Re: [LINK] The numbers just don't add up.

On 11/08/2016 3:04 PM, Michael wrote: > The Census website is operational again. > It will be interesting to see if it handles the load better this evening. > Regards, > Michael Skeggs Some people are still having trouble getting through. They could be load balancing using some arcane algorithm.

Re: [LINK] The numbers just don't add up.

On 11/08/16 15:28, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: On 11/08/2016 3:04 PM, Michael wrote: The Census website is operational again. It will be interesting to see if it handles the load better this evening. Regards, Michael Skeggs Some people are still having trouble getting through. They could

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

At 09:06 AM 11/08/2016, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: >The most reasonable explanation is that they didn't expect everyone to >try and log on at about 7:30, after dinner. Someone had already >predicted this and had it published in the age - on August 4

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

Worth noting the ABS now comes under the Minister for Small Business which is in the outer ministry. https://www.pm.gov.au/your-government/ministers Marghanita On 11/08/16 09:28, Scott Howard wrote: On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: It seems

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

At 09:39 AM 11/08/2016, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: >Worth noting the ABS now comes under the Minister for Small Business which is >in the outer ministry. >https://www.pm.gov.au/your-government/ministers Plus the guy has only had responsibility for it for 2 weeks. Abbott then Mal didn't assign

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

Actually, like the ATO, the ABS is a division of Treasury. So, if anyone is ultimately responsible it’s ScoMo. That said, he’ll just write it off as an ‘on water’ matter and therefore deem it not necessary to comment. Just my 2 cents worth … --- > On 11 Aug 2016, at 9:47 AM, JanW

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 09:57:23PM +1000, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: >And now I get this: > >"We are experiencing a high volume of calls > > > Do not worry if you have not received your Census materials. You will > not be fined if you

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

At 20:57 +1000 10/8/16, Craig Sanders wrote: >Blame the hackers! Say they're from North Korea and the government can >hide it under the national security rug. Okay, North Korea's a safe catch-all bogeyman. But it's the mentions of China that throw me. Who dreamt that up?? Was it just the one

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

On 11/08/2016 8:06 AM, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > I would be curious whether there were distributed servers or not. It seems they (ABS and IBM) were using Softlayer. Someone rang their help desk and asked if it was likely that there had been a DDoS. The response was - very unlikely. The most

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

At 06:54 AM 11/08/2016, Frank O'Connor wrote: >Bottom line: If there really was a series of DDOS attacks (which has been by >no means proved, and will probably only be proved if third parties verify >traffic stats .. and the ABS produces the logs) then the ABS are incompetent >and should not be

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

On 11/08/16 09:06, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: The most reasonable explanation is that they didn't expect everyone to try and log on at about 7:30, after dinner. Someone had already predicted this and had it published in the age - on August 4

[LINK] Census stuff(ed)

This seems like good advice although IANAL. Make of it what you will. Caveat emptor. (does that cover all the legal stuff that gets me off the hook?) You cannot be fined for just ignoring the census. You need to either knowingly give false information after being required or requested, (legal

Re: [LINK] RFI: Census Site Implosion

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > It seems they (ABS and IBM) were using Softlayer. Umm. SoftLayer IS IBM. > Someone rang their > help desk and asked if it was likely that there had been a DDoS. The > response was - very unlikely. > Yes,