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2013-12-05 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 03:40 PM 5/12/2013, Jim Birch wrote: This kind of combination would allow very accurate still air flight. I'm doubtful that the same accuracy could be achieved easily in the turbulent wake of buildings now, or soon. However, seagulls can do this stuff right now which demonstrates that it is

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2013-12-04 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
The New Yorker's take on Amazon Air. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/dailycartoon/daily-cartoon-131202-465.jpg -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia email: b...@iimetro.com.au web: www.drbrd.com web: www.problemsfirst.com Blog: www.problemsfirst.com/blog

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2013-12-04 Thread Jim Birch
Paul Brooks wrote: resolution of GPS and the frequency of sampling, which can be +/- 30 metres for a fairly rapidly moving device. Google cars don't have a =/- 30 m accuracy. Cruise missiles do a lot better than 30m by augmenting GPS. A drone could use a combination of location and other

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2013-12-03 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
Amazon Prime Air: Plan for drones to make home deliveries takes heavy flak The Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/basket-case-amazons-plan-for-drones-to-make-home-deliveries-takes-heavy-flak-8978718.html [UK] Rival Waterstones seemed amused rather than

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2013-12-03 Thread Andy Farkas
On 03/12/13 20:51, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: Amazon Prime Air: Plan for drones to make home deliveries takes heavy flak The Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/basket-case-amazons-plan-for-drones-to-make-home-deliveries-takes-heavy-flak-8978718.html

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2013-12-03 Thread Scott Howard
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Andy Farkas an...@andyit.com.au wrote: Even Bill Gates says Amazon drone delivery plan 'overoptimistic': I disagree. I think that their plan has achieved everything they wanted it to, and probably far more than they would have ever expected. News coverage

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2013-12-02 Thread Roger Clarke
At 18:51 + 2/12/13, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: Amazon Prime Air http://www.amazon.com/b?ref_=tsm_1_tw_s_amzn_mx3eqpnode=8037720011 The goal of this new delivery system is to get packages into customers' hands in 30 minutes, or less, using unmanned aerial vehicles. How pathetic. Amazon's

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2013-12-02 Thread Paul Bolger
And this week's special offer on Amazon is our new range of book-proof helmets... On 3 December 2013 07:51, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: In America, the commercial use of drones was legalized early in 2012 .. Amazon Founder Jeff Bezos, I know this looks science fiction. It’s not. Amazon

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2013-12-02 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 09:12 AM 3/12/2013, Rick Welykochy you wrote: After watching the video, I am wondering why the rotor blades are not encased in a protective barrier. I wouldn't want an unexpected haircut in my back yard while waiting for a book to arrive. I also wonder how they protect against theft. There

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2013-12-02 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 09:30 AM 3/12/2013, Paul Brooks you wrote: I also wonder how they protect against theft. and firearms. With the US being as it is, and a fleet of self-steering skeets whizzing by, I doubt if they will all survive the trigger-happy crazies.

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2013-12-02 Thread Michael
While drone based transport looks a bit silly now in the absence of regulation etc. we seem to have overcome the limitations of many, many traditional deliveries occuring simultaneously on the much more crowded road network. It looks terribly energy inefficient to me, but that never stopped

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2013-12-02 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 05:51 AM 3/12/2013, step...@melbpc.org.au you wrote: In America, the commercial use of drones was legalized early in 2012 .. Amazon Founder Jeff Bezos, I know this looks science fiction. It's not. Why they're really talking about this *now*.

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2013-12-02 Thread Rick Welykochy
Michael wrote: It looks terribly energy inefficient to me, but that never stopped progress. I dunno. Compare the fuel required to deliver a book by UAV drone to that used to cart around the book and a 10 tonne truck. Of course economies of scale may kick in for the truck case. I was once told

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2013-12-02 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
Has anybody seen a discussion on liability and/or insurance for these autonomous things? -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia email: b...@iimetro.com.au web: www.drbrd.com web: www.problemsfirst.com Blog: www.problemsfirst.com/blog

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2013-12-02 Thread Jim Birch
Michael wrote: It looks terribly energy inefficient to me, but that never stopped progress. It would use less energy than a courier truck. The question question is whether the truck can combine enough deliveries to overcome it's bigger energy usage and cost. Courier trucks do have other

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2013-12-02 Thread Frank O'Connor
OK, I'll admit it ... That made me laugh.:) --- On 3 Dec 2013, at 9:04 am, Paul Bolger pbol...@gmail.com wrote: And this week's special offer on Amazon is our new range of book-proof helmets... On 3 December 2013 07:51, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: In America, the

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2013-12-02 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 10:52 AM 3/12/2013, Rick Welykochy wrote: I dunno. Compare the fuel required to deliver a book by UAV drone to that used to cart around the book and a 10 tonne truck. Of course economies of scale may kick in for the truck case. Aussie post to my house. He has it in his normal case I think,

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2013-12-02 Thread Roger Clarke
At 11:07 +1100 3/12/13, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: Has anybody seen a discussion on liability and/or insurance for these autonomous things? That's in the third paper in the series, for the first of which I sent an RFC this morning, in case anyone didn't notice (:-)} Tue, 3 Dec 2013

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2013-12-02 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 3/12/2013 11:31 AM, Roger Clarke wrote: At 11:07 +1100 3/12/13, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: Has anybody seen a discussion on liability and/or insurance for these autonomous things? That's in the third paper in the series, for the first of which I sent an RFC this morning, in case anyone

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2013-12-02 Thread Jim Birch
Is a drone more dangerous than a car? - Jim On 3 December 2013 12:29, Roger Clarke roger.cla...@xamax.com.au wrote: At 11:07 +1100 3/12/13, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: Has anybody seen a discussion on liability and/or insurance for these autonomous things? On 3/12/2013 11:31 AM,

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2013-12-02 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 01:06 PM 3/12/2013, Jim Birch wrote: ...I refer, of course, to the type of machine suggested for short range urban delivery of non-lethal payloads. That's where the system problems come in. Cars are part of a cultural system. Millions of them travel roads every day. There are accidents. But

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2013-12-02 Thread Roger Clarke
At 13:06 +1100 3/12/13, Jim Birch wrote: Is a drone more dangerous than a car? ...I refer, of course, to the type of machine suggested for short range urban delivery of non-lethal payloads. Maybe. The majority of personal use of model aircraft has long been by individuals acting with

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2013-12-02 Thread Jim Birch
The 1865 [UK] Red Flag act required all road locomotives, which included automobiles, to travel at a maximum of 4 mph in the country and 2 mph in towns and have a crew of three, one of whom should carry a red flag walking 60 yards ahead of each vehicle. The 1896 Act removed the need for the crew

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2013-12-02 Thread stephen
Jim writes, I expect people will get used to them and think they are a normal part of the urban environment.. They could be assisted during critical phases of their flight by operators who may be geographically distant. Most likely such a service would start off doing standard runs between

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2013-12-02 Thread Bernard Robertson-Dunn
On 3/12/2013 3:58 PM, Rick Welykochy wrote: I'm sure Linkers can think of many more drone firsts. (*) First law suit where an injured party sues the owner of the drone who blames the outsourced operator who blames the manufacturer who blames the people who last serviced the drone. And the

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2013-12-02 Thread Roger Clarke
At 4:47 + 3/12/13, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: Also seem to me that it would be smart to simply make them fly X metres above the existing roads. The roads are already quite accurately mapped. With GPS and existing navigation maps, they could track to the left and right of road centres, and,

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2013-12-02 Thread Rick Welykochy
Jan Whitaker wrote: Images now of the City Link tunnels being closed because a drone slammed into one of the overhead signs.. Even better still, drones flying through the harbour tunnels. -R -- Rick Welykochy || Vitendo Consulting An eye for an

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2013-12-02 Thread Paul Brooks
On 3/12/2013 4:19 PM, Jan Whitaker wrote: At 03:47 PM 3/12/2013, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: Also seem to me that it would be smart to simply make them fly X metres above the existing roads. The roads are already quite accurately mapped. 'Accurately mapped' being a relative term - accurate to

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2013-12-02 Thread Ivan Trundle
On 3 Dec 2013, at 5:51 am, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote: A: The FAA is actively working on rules and an approach for unmanned aerial vehicles that will prioritize public safety. Safety will be our top priority, and our vehicles will be built with multiple redundancies and designed to