> On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:33, you wrote:
> > So, you haven't discovered (setq `aussie-chunter-mode nil) in your
~/.emacs
Joke, joke. It's a poke at the general obscurity of mode configurations --
there's a mode for everything.
> Er, what's setq? I have enough trouble remembering how to get out of
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:33, you wrote:
> So, you haven't discovered (setq `aussie-chunter-mode nil) in your ~/.emacs
Er, what's setq? I have enough trouble remembering how to get out of it.
Actually, I have given it a fair trial and given at least three of its email
clients a reasonable workout.
-
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:57, you wrote:
> ... or a distribution that offers free security updates for everybody!
> (SCNR)
I certainly get a lot of free updates for RHL that I didn't pay for (IA32).
I've happened to chance on some mirrors in the past day or too and they look
like they're well-populat
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:36, you wrote:
> It wouldn't surprise me to find that vi(m) is
> part of Mac OS X.
Haven't tried it, but in the only time I got to use OS X I found bash alive
and well.
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Hello again from Gregg C Levine
Then why does emacs mange to confuse even me? Yes, it is a splendid job
of being everything, and anything, but still there are limits.
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> I think we probably would go for a PDF edition, as well as or instead of a
> print edition.
Wise choice. I have nearby, cheap tree mills. 8-).
> There are two problems, though, with electronic publishing.
> People don't expect to pay very much, which is a real problem in a niche
> market. We'd
> IMV it has a worthy rival in emacs which _still_ defeats me.
> --
> Cheers
> John Summerfield
So, you haven't discovered (setq `aussie-chunter-mode nil) in your ~/.emacs
yet? That'll teach you not to ignore the warnings in M-x info M-i Detecting
Down-Under Luser Modes in the extensive and fine d
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:10, you wrote:
> PUSH
> DEC
> BN stack overrun
> BZ stack overrun
>
>
> sorry, PC assembler is a long time past, but I vaguely remember the
> argument being made that top down stacking was easier to manage.
AIR pop & push don't affect the flags except then they're the target,
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 02:54, you wrote:
> IMHO vi is the clearly among the most user hostile editors ever created.
IMV it has a worthy rival in emacs which _still_ defeats me.
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:51, you wrote:
> 3420 tape? Those are the things that they used in movies when ever they
> wanted to have a computer. And they never did anything but skip forward or
> rewind.
I'm not much of a flick watcher, but I'd have thought 3420s too modern. 2400
series is what I'd reco
Hello from Gregg C Levine
I resemble that remark. You can't wish a Vulcan expression on someone
who's as emotional as a hacker, it won't work.
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:40, you wrote:
> i David
>
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
>
> I think we probably would go for a PDF edition, as well as or instead of a
> print edition. There are two problems, though, with electronic publishing.
> People don't expect to pay very much, which is a real problem
At 13:10 10/31/2002 -0600, Ward, Garry wrote:
push something to the stack, decrement the address, and if you've gone
negative, you've gone too far?
Sure, and the same is true of upwards-growing stacks (only in the other
direction, natch). The issue isn't accidental stack overflow.
The differen
At 15:03 10/31/2002 -0500, Greg Smith wrote:
I understand that much but why did Intel want you to use a top-down
stack ??
Because electrical engineers and computer designers stand on each others
shoulders, just like mathemeticians. The DEC PDP-11 stack grew down (heck,
I think the -7 did to
At 22:52 10/31/2002 +0100, Ulrich Weigand wrote:
while an upwards-growing stack might make some attacks
more difficult, you can find other types of attacks.
Absolutely true. And so I'd agree with you that stack direction didn't
matter, except that the Standard C library includes some functions
James Tison wrote:
>The gcc package can be configured to have the stack grow either way, and if
>my light perusals of the kernel code (and my memory) are right, so can
>Linux. I would have to think that the final decision would have to do with
>memory mapping, guard pages, and vmm controls, as wel
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 03:23:05PM -0500, Alan Altmark wrote:
> Peace. Love. Linux. (Let's all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya".)
I sure don't *remember* hitting the cough syrup this morning, but I
think I'm hallucinating.
Adam
Hello falks!
I'm doing some reaserch in order to see the possibiliy
of instaling Linux/390 on an IBM S/390.
I know that there is no CICS for this operating
system, so we are looking for a transaction monitor
that works on Linux and we came accross this quote on
the internet:
"05/30/2002 - In resp
On Thursday, 10/31/2002 at 12:54 CST, James Melin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IMHO vi is the clearly among the most user hostile editors ever created.
> VI. Virtually Impossible. Very Irritating. Vastly Infuriating. Violently
> Insolent. Modern computers should use modern editors. (Ok. Ok, let th
Thank you for your prompt, complete, and honest answer, Uli. I enjoy
reading your answers to queries like these ... I usually walk away with
better insight.
By the way, I wasn't implying that any direction was better or worse than
the other (each has its pros & cons) -- I think all the right archi
You could also get pretty pictures by overprinting each line on the printer
many times. I have a copy of the Mona Lisa that was produced that way.
Stephen Frazier
Oklahoma Department of Corrections
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-linux-390@;VM.MARIST.EDU]On Behal
3420 tape? Those are the things that they used in movies when ever they
wanted to have a computer. And they never did anything but skip forward or
rewind.
Stephen Frazier
Oklahoma Department of Corrections
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-linux-390@;VM.MARIST.EDU]
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:48:17 -0800, Luciano De Lio wrote:
>Does anybody know if BEA's Tuxedo works on Linux/390?
>If not, do you know of any other transaction monitor
>that is commonly used on this operating system??
Hi,
I used to work for BEA - was even a Tech Lead for BEA on
Linux/390 - and AFA
> Scott Chapman, on vi:
But it is ubiquitous, therefore I will use it and learn it. Sure emacss is
available to be installed on almost every platform too, but I think it's
much more likely that you will find vi(m) installed on any given machine
you may happen to touch. It wouldn't surprise me
"Mitre Corp. has published a study entitled Use of Free and Open-Source
Software (FOSS) in the U.S. Department of Defense. The study was
commissioned by the U.S. government, according to The Register (see first
reference, below).
"The full 160-page MITRE paper is available for free download..."
h
Post, Mark K writes:
> Hey, the card reader on my Linux/390 guests have always worked, particularly
> with Malcolm Beattie's Unit Record device driver. Having VM helps with
> that, but David Boyes did verify its functionality with a piece of real UR
> hardware.
And for those who weren't aware: t
Because Intel's PUSH instruction decrements the stack pointer. POP
increments it. It makes clear sense for Intel machines to have a downward
growing stack: the hardware was designed that way ... Windoze and Linux
both have downstacks. However, ESAME (and its predecessor) machines don't
even have a
Lets go to Lawrence Kansas, Champaign, IL, and Edwardsville, IL, but skip
Dallas TX? Wouldn't want to get anywhere near where businesses are located.
Why preach this to universities, aren't most of these already sold on Linux
anyway.
On Thursday 31 October 2002 13:43, you wrote:
> The best (an
Ward, Garry wrote:
Simplicity?
push something to the stack, decrement the address, and if you've gone
negative, you've gone too far?
PUSH
DEC
BN stack overrun
BZ stack overrun
I've always been curious. Why is a top down stack used anyways ??
I understand that much but why did Intel
But it is ubiquitous, therefore I will use it and learn it. Sure emacss is
available to be installed on almost every platform too, but I think it's
much more likely that you will find vi(m) installed on any given machine
you may happen to touch. It wouldn't surprise me to find that vi(m) is
part
I agree.
> -Original Message-
> From: James Melin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 1:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Plagued by YAST 3270 problems
>
> IMHO vi is the clearly among the most user hostile editors ever created.
> VI. Virtually Imp
On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 18:50, Adam Thornton wrote:
> It has come to my attention that there are those who do not feel
> comfortable with the "hjkl" layout which is fundamental to an
> understanding of the vi editor.
>
> To all of you, I have but one word:
>
> Nethack.
>
> Nethack uses the selfsame k
> LOL... Now maybe you can help me get my card reader working
> with Linux??
Can do. Mr Beattie's driver works on real 2540s. We have one customer
who still uses them...8-).
> (No, I don't *think* we actually have one of those still
> available, but we
> did get a DB2 v7 PTF delivered on 3420 t
Ross Patterson wrote:
At 11:08 10/30/2002 -0500, Post, Mark K wrote:
And the key point here is that "getting in" simply requires modifying
known
exploits against vulnerable software with an S/390-specific payload.
But it didn't have to be this way. If Linas Vepstas et al. had been able
to fi
The best (and most accurate) way to get dates and locations is from the
redhat Web site at www.redhat.com/roadtour.
The tour kicks off today in Raleigh - there was a nice article in the
Raleigh newspaper
(http://www.newsandobserver.com/front/Business/story/1876136p-1865720c.html
).
The Redhat Roa
Yes, you have card readers. Look at device address "00C" on almost any VM
guest. It is normally a card reader. How else would you read the printouts
from the VM spool if not with a card reader?
I can hear all you youngsters thinking - "What is a card?"
Stephen Frazier
Oklahoma Department of Corre
Simplicity?
push something to the stack, decrement the address, and if you've gone
negative, you've gone too far?
PUSH
DEC
BN stack overrun
BZ stack overrun
sorry, PC assembler is a long time past, but I vaguely remember the
argument being made that top down stacking was easier to manage.
Garr
IMHO vi is the clearly among the most user hostile editors ever created.
VI. Virtually Impossible. Very Irritating. Vastly Infuriating. Violently
Insolent. Modern computers should use modern editors. (Ok. Ok, let the
crucifiction and stoning begin)
|-+>
|
I'm trying to bullet-proof my kernel maint.
Right now, I see the following dependency cascade:
linux-2.4.19 requires
glibc-2.2.5 requires
gcc-3.2 requires
binutils-2.12.90.0.15 requires
gettext-0.11.5
I stumbled onto
Hey, the card reader on my Linux/390 guests have always worked, particularly
with Malcolm Beattie's Unit Record device driver. Having VM helps with
that, but David Boyes did verify its functionality with a piece of real UR
hardware.
Mark Post
-Original Message-
From: Scott Chapman [mailt
And now, grasshopper, you have achieved perfection as a geek. Live long
and prosper.
Jon
> It has come to my attention that there are those who do not feel
> comfortable with the "hjkl" layout which is fundamental to an
> understanding of the vi editor.
>
> To all of you, I have but one word:
It has come to my attention that there are those who do not feel
comfortable with the "hjkl" layout which is fundamental to an
understanding of the vi editor.
To all of you, I have but one word:
Nethack.
Nethack uses the selfsame keys for movement. This has the added benefit
of letting you conv
LOL... Now maybe you can help me get my card reader working with Linux??
(No, I don't *think* we actually have one of those still available, but we
did get a DB2 v7 PTF delivered on 3420 tape a week or so ago.)
Scott
Adam Thornton
cc:
Output form My Linux machine:
CP Q LAN DET
LAN SYSTEM HSI1Type: HIPERS Active: 2 MAXCONN: INFINITE
PERSISTENT UNRESTRICTED MFS: 16384
Adapter Owner: SUSE7NIC: A000 Name: HSI1
192.168.138.207
Adapter Owner: TCPIPNIC: A000 Name: HSI1
192.159
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:32:35AM -0500, Scott Chapman wrote:
> Like why backspace
> doesn't work the way I expect it to in vi. (I can only backspace over data
> I just typed, not existing data.)
That's because there is no backspace in vi, and if you're using
backspace and it's working at all yo
can someone provide the actual name of the jiffies patch for suse enterprise
server 7.0 on S390?
tks,
jah
Jason A. Holly
CSC Mid-Range Systems Support
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
desk: 256.544.7308 page: 256.551.3401
I saw that, but when I managed to change it it wouldn't connect
anymore--I'm guessing because I only allow SSH into the server. Even if I
clicked off "telnet" and left the xterm in the field grayed out, it would
fail. Just one of the many things I don't understand. Like why backspace
doesn't wor
FYI, Cheryl Watson does electronic publication and evidently it's at least
successful enough for her to continue it. And it's not a terribly cheap
subscription either. Randy Cassingham (www.thisistrue.com) has a premium
edition that evidently attracts enough subscribers to make it worthwhile.
Tha
Hi David
Thanks for your reply.
I think we probably would go for a PDF edition, as well as or instead of a
print edition. There are two problems, though, with electronic publishing.
People don't expect to pay very much, which is a real problem in a niche
market. We'd expect to pay contributors ab
Port sharing is possible with the OSA ENTR. I have to believe that you can
also do it with the FENET adapter. This is how I configured the OSA
originally.
On Thursday 31 October 2002 08:17 am, you wrote:
> We don't as yet, and may not for a long time, have VM. That said, I'm going
> to be runnin
Scott,
Setup -> TCP/IP -> Term type. You will have to have the "telnet" checkbox
checked to enter anything into the field.
Mark Post
-Original Message-
From: Scott Chapman [mailto:sachapman@;aep.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Plagued by
We don't as yet, and may not for a long time, have VM. That said, I'm going
to be running 4 LPAR instances of Linux/390 - up from the ancient SuSE 7.0
I have now.
The machine itself has 2 ENTR adapters set in ethernet mode, 2 10/100 fast
ethernet adapters and 2 Gigabit ethernet devices.
I do not
So far I've had to rebuild Openldap2 (to add options), mingetty (to add autologin
patch), autofs (to add support for maps in LDAP), pam_ldap (to add a patch that fixes
password changing), and Samba
(to get a version more recent than 2.2.0a, which has serious bugs). I've repackaged
all of these a
So when might this "Road Show" in the Winnie be coming to your office ???
Ken
At 02:26 PM 10/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
Redhat, sponsered by IBM, is putting on a roadshow. They will be going
cross country in a Winnebago, giving presentations and demos on Redhat and
the xSeries machines. They
This reminds me of that famous Pogo-ism:
"We have met the enemy and they are us."
Ross Patterson
cc:
Sent by: LinuxSubject: Re: Probably the first
published shell code example for Linux/390
You will have to change the rc.config, hosts and route.conf. You have a set
of commands that helps you do changes to this files and they are:
sed, tail, head . You can use the sed command to change and the tail and
head to add or delete lines form your files. ex.:
cat rc.config | sed -e 's/192.168.
Using TeraTerm SSH, "export TERM=xterm" seemed to make the PF keys work,
although I'm not sure that I care for the extra colors.
PuTTY seemed to set TERM=xterm when it started, but I can't figure out how
to make TeraTerm do the same.
Scott Chapman
Sanford H
Alan Altmark wrote:
It's yet another reason to get a Linux support contract.
... or a distribution that offers free security updates for everybody!
(SCNR)
Regards,
Stefan Gybas
When I tryed to install WAS 4.x on my SuSE 390x 2.4.17 kernel i had the
same problem (At least, i think so). I looked at wrapper for JAVA and
found that:
#-
# The line "export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5" disables the use of float
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