Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Perry
I do realize that System z (s390x) is primarily aimed at Enterprise level customers and therefore RHEL and SLES are the correct and supported Linux distributions to run. However both Novell-Suse and Redhat promote the use of Opensuse and Fedora on other platforms in order to obtain a wide testing

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Perry
I should add that I also realize that s390x is now part of the standard Linux kernel, but shouldn't some other advice be added rather than just info on Oct. 2005 stream etc for the 2.6.16 kernel? Shouldn't it be made easier for customers to use Fedora and/or Opensuse on s390x in order to promote

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Perry
The list is quiet today, so I'll take the opportunity to preempt other possible responses :-) The Fedora/Opensuse Linux kernel is only one part, there are of course lots of packages/rpms that would require being built. But I think its fair to say that both distributors have access to System z

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Thornton
On Oct 10, 2007, at 2:47 AM, Mark Perry wrote: I should add that I also realize that s390x is now part of the standard Linux kernel, but shouldn't some other advice be added rather than just info on Oct. 2005 stream etc for the 2.6.16 kernel? Shouldn't it be made easier for customers to use

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread David Boyes
Shouldn't it be made easier for customers to use Fedora and/or Opensuse on s390x in order to promote wider testing? Everything in IBM ultimately comes down to money: who gets it, who has to give it. Fedora and OpenSuse haven't got any money to give, and IBM doesn't see how they'll get any from

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 10:00 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Everything in IBM ultimately comes down to money: who gets it, who has to give it. In other words, pretty much the same as any other publicly held company in the US, if not the world.

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 3:47 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should add that I also realize that s390x is now part of the standard Linux kernel, but shouldn't some other advice be added rather than just info on Oct. 2005 stream etc for the 2.6.16

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 3:47 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should add that I also realize that s390x is now part of the standard Linux kernel, but shouldn't some other advice be added rather than just info on Oct. 2005 stream etc for the 2.6.16

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Gregg Levine
On 10/10/07, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 3:47 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should add that I also realize that s390x is now part of the standard Linux kernel, but shouldn't some other advice be added rather than just

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Alan Cox
O world. While good will does show up on the balance sheet, that's only there because the accountants couldn't figure out what other bucket to put it in, and the management certainly doesn't concern themselves much about increasing it. Thats not entirely fair - some companies work very hard

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 10/10/07, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice, but based on my experience with non-commercial distributions, not many people are interested in playing with them. (Non-zero, but not many.) The interest in non-commercial for Linux on z/VM is probably not like in free

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 10:46 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob van der Heij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though I have a strong personal interest to get the kernel to support pre-z hardware, I doubt I will ever get enough spare time to do that. It does, if you're willing to recompile

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 10/10/07, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though I have a strong personal interest to get the kernel to support pre-z hardware, I doubt I will ever get enough spare time to do that. It does, if you're willing to recompile from source, which it appears

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread David Boyes
I get the impression that an openSUSE project would be possible, but would require someone within Novell to drive it. As Adam said, not it for me, either. Since OpenSuSE uses the automated build farm tooling, you'd need someone with spare resources to host the build process, and occasionally

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Brad Hinson
On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 15:39 -0400, David Boyes wrote: I get the impression that an openSUSE project would be possible, but would require someone within Novell to drive it. As Adam said, not it for me, either. Since OpenSuSE uses the automated build farm tooling, you'd need someone with

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Thornton
On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Brad Hinson wrote: While this makes sense for x86/x86_64, folks usually don't have resources to spare on the z. Or am I wrong? Out of curiosity (please don't flame), would anyone be willing to contribute a small LPAR and some network bandwidth to this? It would

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:01 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z On Oct 10, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Brad Hinson wrote: While this

Re: Fedora and Opensuse for System z

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 5:00 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Also: why do you need an LPAR? Would a guest under z/VM not be good enough? If z/VM would do the trick, then wouldn't Fedora be a reasonable OSDL project? You wouldn't need an LPAR.