Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-06 Thread David Runge
On 2021-04-05 11:56:30 (+), rosea.grammostola wrote: > This leads to the next problematic situation, that the JACK maintainer > is also the initiator and maintainer of the NSM fork. Filipe is **not** the maintainer of new-session-manager, yet you continue spreading lies about this and are

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-06 Thread David Runge
Hi all, On 2021-04-04 21:31:25 (+0100), Rui Nuno Capela wrote: > I'm not willing to open and engage into yet another discussion about > the so called "NSM fork", and yet this is exactly what happened. @Rui given that **you know** how this topic derails, the correct thing to do would have been to

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-05 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 4/5/21 2:34 PM, hgn wrote: Just a certain individual doesn't want to stop. The list went into moderation for him not that long ago, that was a good move to get all that nonsense quiet. I beg your pardon? that person is not certainly me, or is he/she? are you asking that I should be

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-05 Thread Filipe Coelho
On 05/04/21 20:31, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: besides all the non-technical issues that I won't repeat here, i should say that was a disgraceful move to begin with, that (double-handledly) resulted in what you all know (and/or chose to ignore). Sorry but what exactly the move to jackaudio.org

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-05 Thread rosea.grammostola
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, April 5, 2021 11:25 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 10:37:25PM +, rosea.grammostola wrote: > > > Somehow they need backup to get some authority apparently. > > Gotohttps://jackaudio.org and look around. Do you see NewSM there

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-05 Thread hgn
Will Godfrey: Can this argument be taken private? It's going round and round and getting absolutely nowhere. If I want noise I can go to facebook or twitter :( Yes please, The whole matter has already been resolved for a long time, or actually there never was a "matter". Just a certain

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-05 Thread Will Godfrey
Can this argument be taken private? It's going round and round and getting absolutely nowhere. If I want noise I can go to facebook or twitter :( -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-05 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 10:37:25PM +, rosea.grammostola wrote: > Somehow they need backup to get some authority apparently. Goto https://jackaudio.org and look around. Do you see NewSM there ? It's not even in the applications list (it probably should be). Also please try to understand the

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-05 Thread Filipe Coelho
On 04/04/21 23:26, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: On 4/4/21 11:06 PM, Nils Hilbricht wrote: please read the subject line! it's about the new-session-management move to jackaudio.org and only. it is NOT about the merits, technical or otherwise, of session managers in general nor NSM in particular.

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-04 Thread rosea.grammostola
> > NSM's strict rules for client behaviour are what ensures that it will > be able to perform as promised. Something similar was missing in all > other Linux session manager systems I know of. So I'm very happy to > see Jack-session deprecated. > > Just my 2e-2 Euro of course. I think this is

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-04 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 4/4/21 11:06 PM, Nils Hilbricht wrote: please read the subject line! it's about the new-session-management move to jackaudio.org and only. it is NOT about the merits, technical or otherwise, of session managers in general nor NSM in particular. Then let me rephrase: Why should NSM not be

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-04 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 4/4/21 10:29 PM, Nils Hilbricht wrote: Then somebody interjected with "Note that Non-Session-Manager (NSM) is explicitly designed without any dependency to JACK." To which I responded: And it still is. You can use it with ALSA only, no sound programs at all or PipeWire. And so it will

[LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-04 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
Hi all, Please refer to this thread on linuxmusicians.com forum, starting here: re. Non-Session-Manager fork descalation https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?p=130477#p130477 I'm not willing to open and engage into yet another discussion about the so called "NSM fork", though I still don't

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-04 Thread Nils Hilbricht
>please read the subject line! >it's about the new-session-management move to jackaudio.org and only. >it is NOT about the merits, technical or otherwise, of session managers in >general nor NSM in particular. Then let me rephrase: Why should NSM not be hosted under jackaudio, since it is the

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-04 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 10:01:53PM +0100, Filipe Coelho wrote: > I remember Nils writing there very clearly with an explanation for the why. I see absolutely no problem with having NewSM hosted on jackaudio.org. > In my opinion jack-session API is too simple and lacks rules for client >

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-04 Thread Nils Hilbricht
On 04/04/21 21:31, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: >Although I still don't understand what jackaudio.org has to do with the >new(er)-session-management (aka "NSM fork") and why it is now moved from >linuxaudio.org to jackaudio.org. I am paraphrasing my answer from the LinuxMusiciansForum. I copied that

Re: [LAD] new-session-management on jackaudio.org

2021-04-04 Thread Filipe Coelho
On 04/04/21 21:31, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: Hi all, Please refer to this thread on linuxmusicians.com forum, starting here: re. Non-Session-Manager fork descalation https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?p=130477#p130477 I'm not willing to open and engage into yet another discussion about the