Re: Approval of Training Vendors
>On Thur, 15 Jul 1999, Tom Pilsch wrote: > >> >> For those who would favor approving each vendor's program, what would LPI >> >> do if a vendor who did not have an LPI-approved curriculum used the >> >> following words in their marketing material: "We teach to the LPI >> >> standard"? > >> > >> >> >On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, A. R. (Tom) Peters wrote: >> > >> > Sue them? LPI, LPIC will be trademarked etc. >> >> >>On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Tom Pilsch wrote: >> >> I hope this response was in jest. Surely you are not advocating a closed >> standard for open source software! Do we intend to charge people just to >> use the standard in a training course? You need to think this through very >>> carefully. > >On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, A. R. (Tom) Peters wrote: > > The test objectives are freely available (POMS), with the intention that >anyone who likes can build a training program fit to it. If they say so >much, no problem. However, if they suggest their program is LPI approved, >that is questionable; we still have the option open to certify courses. >LPIC will be the title for someone who passed the test, and training >vendors will not be allowed to abuse that word (like suggesting you will >be an LPIC just because you take their courses). Exactly! The awarding and use of the term LPIC is what LPI needs to guard jeolously. This is what will be awarded only by successfully passing the LPI certification exams which are based on the LPI standards. Vendors should be free to teach to the standard but not award the title "LPIC." Tom Pilsch Continuing Education Program Georgia Tech College of Computing This message was sent by the linux-cert-corprel mailing list. To unsubscribe: echo unsubscribe | mail -s '' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Approval of Training Vendors
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Tom Pilsch wrote: > >> For those who would favor approving each vendor's program, what would LPI > >> do if a vendor who did not have an LPI-approved curriculum used the > >> following words in their marketing material: "We teach to the LPI > >> standard"? > > > > Sue them? LPI, LPIC will be trademarked etc. > > I hope this response was in jest. Surely you are not advocating a closed > standard for open source software! Do we intend to charge people just to > use the standard in a training course? You need to think this through very > carefully. The test objectives are freely available (POMS), with the intention that anyone who likes can build a training program fit to it. If they say so much, no problem. However, if they suggest their program is LPI approved, that is questionable; we still have the option open to certify courses. LPIC will be the title for someone who passed the test, and training vendors will not be allowed to abuse that word (like suggesting you will be an LPIC just because you take their courses). -- #>!$!%(@^%#%*(&(#@#*$^@^$##*#@&(%)@**$!(&!^(#((#&%!)%*@)(&$($$%(@#)&*!^$)^@*^@) Tom "thriving on chaos" Peters NL-1062 KD nr 149 tel.31-204080204 Amsterdam e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message was sent by the linux-cert-corprel mailing list. To unsubscribe: echo unsubscribe | mail -s '' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Approval of Training Vendors
>On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, A> R> (Tom) Peters wrote: > >%< cut >% > >> I have said this before, but it bears repeating: Take a look at the model >> used by the Project Management Institute (www.pmi.org) for Project >> Management Professional certification. They have developed and published a >> standard as contained in their Project Management Body of Knowledge (PMBOK) >> available from their web site. > > I took a quick look, but didn't learn very much. Could you please be >more specific to what we should learn or copy from them? I see they will >give you a certificate for being a Project Manager. I couldn't locate the >PMBOK you mention. It takes a little more than a quick look, and you need to go beyond the homepage. Start with the Standards button and you will open the area of prime interest to LPI. Specifically, look at http://www.pmi.org/standards/standardsettingprocedures.htm to understand how they establish their standards. We can learn several things from PMI and from other professional societies. Most appropriate at this point in LPI's development, we can learn how to establish a respected source for standards in a technical specialty and how this can be done without commercial affiliation or direct involvement in the training process. PMI has recently instituted a Registered Education Provider program, primarily to provide standards for their Professional Development Unit (PDU) continuing education recertification requirements. PMI maintains the option of randomly monitoring training activities for quality but will make no attempt to put a stamp of approval on anyone's syllabus of instruction. The PMBOK is located at www.pmi.org -> Standards -> PMI Standards Literature: DOWNLOAD IT FREE! http://www.pmi.org/standards/pmbok.htm > >> For those who would favor approving each vendor's program, what would LPI >> do if a vendor who did not have an LPI-approved curriculum used the >> following words in their marketing material: "We teach to the LPI >> standard"? > > Sue them? LPI, LPIC will be trademarked etc. I hope this response was in jest. Surely you are not advocating a closed standard for open source software! Do we intend to charge people just to use the standard in a training course? You need to think this through very carefully. LPI is at a critical crossroads. It can become a very powerful force to advance Linux and the open source movement, or it can become the provider of something which will join the MSCE as just another commercial ticket. Tom Pilsch Continuing Education Program Georgia Tech College of Computing This message was sent by the linux-cert-corprel mailing list. To unsubscribe: echo unsubscribe | mail -s '' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Approval of Training Vendors
[ personal & list mail ] On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, Tom Pilsch wrote: %< cut >% > I have said this before, but it bears repeating: Take a look at the model > used by the Project Management Institute (www.pmi.org) for Project > Management Professional certification. They have developed and published a > standard as contained in their Project Management Body of Knowledge (PMBOK) > available from their web site. I took a quick look, but didn't learn very much. Could you please be more specific to what we should learn or copy from them? I see they will give you a certificate for being a Project Manager. I couldn't locate the PMBOK you mention. > PMI builds and administers the > certification process and provides materials to assist in the training > process, but they do not dictate the training curriculum or methods. The > marketplace screens the quality of the training. The word gets around. > Vendors who do a poor job of preparing people for the profession (not just > the exam!) do not get repeat business. How does someone locate a competent > training provider? They ask others who have been there -- exactly the kind > of interaction a professional network is supposed to encourage. > > I have made contact with the PMI leadership and am looking for an > opportunity to sit down with them in a benchmarking session. I will share > the results of their experience with the group. Yes please let us know. > For those who would favor approving each vendor's program, what would LPI > do if a vendor who did not have an LPI-approved curriculum used the > following words in their marketing material: "We teach to the LPI > standard"? Sue them? LPI, LPIC will be trademarked etc. -- #>!$!%(@^%#%*(&(#@#*$^@^$##*#@&(%)@**$!(&!^(#((#&%!)%*@)(&$($$%(@#)&*!^$)^@*^@) Tom "thriving on chaos" Peters NL-1062 KD nr 149 tel.31-204080204 Amsterdam e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message was sent by the linux-cert-corprel mailing list. To unsubscribe: echo unsubscribe | mail -s '' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
