Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Danny Lieberman
Peter's comments are correct. However, the average low-end - not power MS Office / XP user - relates to Windows in a generic way. In other words, Windows in KDE is still Windows and OO is still Office. danny Peter wrote: On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Hi people, I hope I'm

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Anatoly Vorobey
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 10:05:56PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: using some version of Windows. I wonder how come most people companies prefer Windows - is it because they're already used to it, or because they're afraid of changing, or because they want to use a specific software which is not

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Amos Shapira
On 10/3/05, Anatoly Vorobey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's because Windows is easier for them to learn and use than the alternatives. That's the exact misconcept the open source community (or actually, almost any MS rival) has to fight. My mom just got her first computer a year ago and until

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Anatoly Vorobey
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 07:36:38PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: On 10/3/05, Anatoly Vorobey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's because Windows is easier for them to learn and use than the alternatives. That's the exact misconcept the open source community (or actually, almost any MS rival) has

Hebrew MS documents on CentOS 4.1 (RHEL 4) not viewable?

2005-10-03 Thread Amos Shapira
Hello, I'm trying CentOS 4.1 (I have to learn RHEL 4) and a common task I have is to read Hebrew MS Office documents e-mailed to me. I installed the latest OpenOffice 2 (rc1) from openoffice.org using the RPM packages. I also have Hebrew fonts installed (fonts-hebrew-0.100-4) from CentOS.

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Robert Wallner
On 10/2/05, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope I'm not stepping on open wounds here, but I want to raise this discussion. My father has a computer with Windows 98, and he asked me to check it for technical problems. I told him that Windows 98 is old and obsolete, so he should

Re: regarding Zimbra

2005-10-03 Thread Gil Freund
On 10/2/05, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Hetz Ben Hamo, from the post of Sat, 01 Oct: It replaces quite few of your installed RPMS btw with something that they build. One side effect that I had is with sendmail - I didn't get any more messages in /var/log/messages, and 2

Re: regarding Zimbra

2005-10-03 Thread Amos Shapira
On 10/3/05, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is unlikely a free MAPI connector will ever appear. It makes no sense. If the user is already into spending money (Outlook is not free), they will pay for the connector or the the exchange server. The connectors (Bynari, Stalker and other) are

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Can we please recall that Linux-IL is supposed to be a *technical* Linux list? Thanks. Now, on a more positive note - Shana Tova to everybody, whether you run Red Hat, Gentoo, KDE, GNOME, Emacs, or vi! -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org

Re: regarding Zimbra

2005-10-03 Thread Amos Shapira
On 10/3/05, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I think I have good news for you - there is at least one effort to write an open-source MAPI connector, the one I found from digging right now is at http://www.omesc.com/modules/main_module/ Well, actually I had the following in mind:

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Uri Even-Chen
Amos Shapira wrote: My mom just got her first computer a year ago and until today she has no clue as to what she sees on the screen, even though she somehow manages to achieve some very basic goals with it. I bet I could have helped her a lot more remotely if she had a Linux on her desktop but

Help needed for the KODIX project

2005-10-03 Thread Robert Wallner
Hi all The Kodix project started around 2001, originally as a bunch of replacement and add-on packages for RedHad systems of those times (6.2 iirc). With time, the number of packages increased continously, until one day, the system was self supporting (the whole system could be installed, and

Re: regarding Zimbra

2005-10-03 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On א', 2005-10-02 at 22:16 +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Hetz Ben Hamo, from the post of Sat, 01 Oct: It replaces quite few of your installed RPMS btw with something that they build. One side effect that I had is with sendmail - I didn't get any more messages in /var/log/messages, and 2

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 03:54:41PM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Amos Shapira wrote: My mom just got her first computer a year ago and until today she has no clue as to what she sees on the screen, even though she somehow manages to achieve some very basic goals with it. I bet I could have

Re: Help needed for the KODIX project

2005-10-03 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
Hi Robert, On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 04:42:18PM +, Robert Wallner wrote: Hi all The Kodix project started around 2001, originally as a bunch of replacement and add-on packages for RedHad systems of those times (6.2 iirc). With time, the number of packages increased continously, until one

Re: rdesktop tip: If you use Alt-Shfit to switch languages...

2005-10-03 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On א', 2005-10-02 at 23:56 +0300, Amit Aronovitch wrote: This thing was driving me crazy lately, so I was anxious to try out your tip. When I run rdesktop with '-k none' the 'sticky' nightmare seems to be gone, BUT - now some important keys (the normal arrows, insert/end/home/del) are

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Peter
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: And I repeat my earlier question: is there anywhere I can buy a desktop computer in Israel with Linux pre-installed? Is there a simple (does not ask questions) for open-office, firefox, thunderbird, 7-zip, gimp and other good free programs for windows?

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread bruck
Quoting Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sunday, 2 áOctober 2005 22:05, Uri Even-Chen wrote: ... I wonder how come most people companies prefer Windows - is it, ... or because, ... or because, ... or because To save all of us time, I suggest you start by reading:

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread bruck
Quoting Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The same problem is with FireFox - it doesn't come with Windows, you have to install it. I know of quite a few people who switched to FireFox but wouldn't switch from MS-Office to OpenOffice. I also tried Open Office and went back to MS Office.

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Uri Even-Chen
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: /me reminds everybody of an enlightened decision of some people in Massachusses. You wrote this sentence twice. What do you mean? Sorry for not understanding. Firefox on windows? Do you honestly say that you have problems installing flash on it? What version do you

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Uri Even-Chen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's U.S. vs. Microsoft and the very first sentence on screen is : This document is available in three formats: this web page (for browsing content), PDF (comparable to original document formatting), and WordPerfect 5.1. No MS format? Of course not! LOL! Uri

FireFox - not compatible with IE

2005-10-03 Thread Uri Even-Chen
Hi people, As a webmaster, I have a problem with FireFox not being compatible with IE. A few years ago I stopped checking my website with any browser other than IE - for economical reasons: most users use IE. Now I do check my website occasionally with FireFox, but some things are just not

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Peter
Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues. For people who are painfully aware of compatibility problems between different versions of MS-Word, OpenOffice may not seem very attractive. This isn't just a matter of cost, it's also a matter of the time spent to give it a

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Uri Bruck
Peter wrote: Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues. For people who are painfully aware of compatibility problems between different versions of MS-Word, OpenOffice may not seem very attractive. This isn't just a matter of cost, it's also a matter of the time

Re: FireFox - not compatible with IE

2005-10-03 Thread Peter
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Hi people, As a webmaster, I have a problem with FireFox not being compatible with IE. A few years ago I stopped checking my website with any browser other than IE - for economical reasons: most users use IE. Now I do check my website occasionally

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Peter
I'm telling it as they tell me. People who are aware of the incompatibility between MS Office document versions are more likely to try something else in the hope the document will open somehow. And with OO, it does, even if the formatting is d. The document I receive is only one part.

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Oded Arbel
On Tuesday, 4 בOctober 2005 00:30, Uri Even-Chen wrote: OK, I tried now and installed the Flash plug-in, but it should come with it pre-installed like in MS IE. Last time I had a new windows(XP) 'puter to play with it didn't come with flash installed. When I got to a flash web site it

Re: Fwd: Linux question

2005-10-03 Thread Oded Arbel
On Sunday, 2 בOctober 2005 09:45, Livneh Ran wrote: Hi. My vsftp is running under xinetd... I stand corrected And suppose it was a stand alone server, what do suggest to do? - Forwarded message from Livneh Ran [EMAIL PROTECTED] drwx-wx--x 308 insideuser outsidegroup 8192 Sep 29

Re: Why most people prefer Windows

2005-10-03 Thread Uri Bruck
Peter wrote: I'm telling it as they tell me. People who are aware of the incompatibility between MS Office document versions are more likely to try something else in the hope the document will open somehow. And with OO, it does, even if the formatting is d. The document I receive