Hi,
thanks for the answer (and allow me to thank following commenters to whom I
reply soon as well).
Please see some comment below.
2012/2/5 Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Hi Boaz,
The time is not ripe. Don't waste your energy. Your school principal will
not know what you are talking
Ori,
While technically you might be correct - I'll take your word for it - this
argument is hardly a relevant or helping to convince her. If I say that to
her, in the best case she'll reply what the hell are you talking about
Boaz? The system currently works, everyone are getting their weekly
Because most households in israel do not buy their office...
It would be stupid to assume they do. Moreover - the school headmaster does
not assume that either. He/she knows most people just have their office
installed, and they care nothing about it.
Ez
On Feb 5, 2012 9:12 AM, Nadav Harapos;El
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:
I believe my Android can read Microsoft Office documents out of the
box :( But it's true, with all these non-Microsoft devices around,
Microsoft's stranglehold on the word processor document seems to be
coming to an
What are the school's arguments for not accepting a PDF? The unsurmountable
difficulty of installing acroread on the teachers' computers? Or is
acroread so hopelessly behind the times that it does not allow marking and
annotating? If the latter, then OOO...
I think the principal should agree that
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Etzion Bar-Noy wrote about Re: Preparing to convince to
shift to non-propriety documents formats:
Because most households in israel do not buy their office...
I was hoping that even if this is true, and everybody knows this is
true, no school principal would dare raise
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 10:04:07 +0200
From: Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org
To: Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il
Cc: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il, Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Subject: Re: Preparing to convince to shift to
It is not reasonable to ask everyone to install Acroread, or anything else
that is not available by default when you buy a computer from Office Depot.
You would have to send out an instruction sheet and call a parents meeting
to explain why this is necessary. You think that they will do this
Well, the real reason is that the buffers in the kernel are allocated as
DMA memory. So it's not just a matter of getting hold of a lot of
memory, but a lot of memory which is continuous in its physical space.
Or more precisely, a lot of continuous buffers which are fairly large.
One could, of
On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Etzion Bar-Noy wrote:
Because most households in israel do not buy their office...
It would be stupid to assume they do. Moreover - the school
headmaster does not assume that either. He/she knows most people
just have their office installed, and they care
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Boaz Rymland wrote about Re: Preparing to convince to
shift to non-propriety documents formats:
I bet it cannot read my teacher's document!
Before you go and complain about some supposed facts, I think you should
verify that they are really correct facts. Is OpenOffice
On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Why? Forget Linux. Do Macs come with Word pre-installed (today)? How
much does an Office license cost (e.g., if one runs it in WINE)?
It's almost irrelevant. Most Macs come with an Apple Office suite
(Pages, etc) which has little to
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Boaz Rymland wrote about Re: Preparing to convince
to shift to non-propriety documents formats:
I bet it cannot read my teacher's document!
Before you go and complain about some supposed
I had a similar experience.
I recently switched to a different college in a renewed attempt to gain my
undergraduate in Compsci. Much to my chagrin I discovered that this
college, which bills itself as being a technological college, is firmly
entrenched in the Microsoft field. I tried talking to
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:14 PM, geoffrey mendelson
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:
With the high price of Macs here many parents just buy cheap PC's with
Windows bundled
Well, whatever the bar chart of different HW/OS sightings may be in Israel,
this IMHO utterly fails as an argument
I wouldn't say Linux as it confused people (worked in university, don't think
that it would work at school). But you can to with tablet (iPad/android). Those
cost money to open word and still have a lot of issues if they do. PDF works
but is not editable. Not sure if there is an editable
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote:
I am ignorant of today's school procedures - whatever happened to your
homework is exercises 15.1 through 15.8 in your manual? Or write down
your homework at the end of the class? Or handouts? Why emailing is
On Feb 5, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Now, I would assume that most on the parents in this discussion are
qualified professionals with reasonably well paying jobs, and I
would not be surprised if most had multiple computers at home, etc.
Let's face it, it's not a
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:44:21AM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
Google docs is a good but not the best alternative. Google is
yet-another-corporate that even if more public friendly, not a fully
M$-Office substitute.
In other words: while an account at Google does not cost money,Google
Docs is
On Feb 5, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Eh, reading comprehension failure on my part again: the OP's problem
is not with home assignments but with school-wide distribution such
as weekly schedule. This renders the Word requirement - or even a
computer requirement - even less
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about Re: Preparing to convince
to shift to non-propriety documents formats:
It depends. I can't speak to it directly, my Hebrew level is such
that a crayon would be enough, but my son who is in high school was
told by the school to use
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about Re: Preparing to convince
to shift to non-propriety documents formats:
student/home version of office (Word and Execel but no Outlook
(scheduling/email) and Access (database)) which can be found on sale
for as low as 300 NIS for a three
2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland boaz.ryml...@gmail.com
of course the whole reason to this thread and me contacting the principal
is the fsck'ed up document. The document appears badly in LibreOffice
and Google docs (imported). I verified this since sept. 1st till now, on a
weekly basis. Yes, OO does
On 05/02/2012 12:14, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Why? Forget Linux. Do Macs come with Word pre-installed (today)? How
much does an Office license cost (e.g., if one runs it in WINE)?
It's almost irrelevant. Most Macs come with an Apple
I fully agree. Having *whatever* percentage of distributed material
requiring *whatever* percentage of students to spend hundreds (or even
tens) of NIS on HW/SW in order to cooperate is *totally
unacceptable*especially in light of no-cost alternatives (SW only of
course. HW will
still be needed).
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote:
2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland boaz.ryml...@gmail.com
of course the whole reason to this thread and me contacting the principal
is the fsck'ed up document. The document appears badly in LibreOffice
and Google docs
On 05/02/2012 12:45, Mordechai Behar wrote:
I had a similar experience.
I recently switched to a different college in a renewed attempt to gain
my undergraduate in Compsci. Much to my chagrin I discovered that this
college, which bills itself as being a technological college, is firmly
On 05/02/2012 13:57, Nadav Har'El wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about Re: Preparing to
convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats:
It depends. I can't speak to it directly, my Hebrew level is such
that a crayon would be enough, but my son who is in
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:44:21AM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
Google docs is a good but not the best alternative. Google is
yet-another-corporate that even if more public friendly, not a fully
M$-Office substitute.
On 05/02/2012 14:14, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about Re: Preparing to
convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats:
student/home version of office (Word and Execel but no Outlook
(scheduling/email) and Access (database)) which can be found on
On 05/02/2012, at 03:40, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Why? Forget Linux. Do Macs come with Word pre-installed (today)? How much
does an Office license cost (e.g., if one runs it in WINE)?
Microsoft publishes a full Office suite for Mac. Unfortunately its Hebrew
capability is literally unusable.
On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Micha wrote:
That is not so true any more with today's kids. I don't have a kid at
that age yet, but good friends of ours do and I think that about half
their class are using macs (and iPods and ipads). Their child actually
has to use the mother's computer half the
On 05/02/2012 16:20, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Micha wrote:
That is not so true any more with today's kids. I don't have a kid at
that age yet, but good friends of ours do and I think that about half
their class are using macs (and iPods and ipads). Their child
Another issue is that at schools the kids are asked to use a site
named 'ofek' which it doesn't run under linux and my kids are force to
run windows in vmware,...
another site that kids have access for free if they login through ofek
is brainpop.
It's hard to explain to your kids to suffer their
Even if true my point is different: my computer cannot be installed with
that claimed free software from MS. My laptop runs linux and that's not
somthing that is going to change, even if offered free windoze and office.
Sent from my mobile phone
I didn't check it and don't know how it applies
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
implementations. However relying on in-line remarks in the PDF file,
which is, AFAIK, supported only by the Adobe reader, is not a good idea.
I think okular handles it (RW) without a hitch. Unless you mean something
2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland boaz.ryml...@gmail.com
on Word-HTML
I think that's not the best solution.
I agree. I use the opposite (HTML-doc) suggestion when i need to send
something to someone who absolutely must have a Word doc, that's why i
thought of it.
What I didn't realize when I typed my
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 03:52:18PM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:44:21AM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
Google docs is a good but not the best alternative. Google is
yet-another-corporate
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Micha mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote:
On 05/02/2012 14:14, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about Re: Preparing to
convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats:
student/home version of office (Word and Execel but no
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il wrote:
Besides, I have a faint memory of a limitation on the total RAM allocatable
inside the kernel. Was it 512MB? Has this limitation vanished?
You can reserve more memory for kernel side processing using
echo size_in_kb
2012/2/5 Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org
2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland boaz.ryml...@gmail.com
on Word-HTML
I think that's not the best solution.
I agree. I use the opposite (HTML-doc) suggestion when i need to send
something to someone who absolutely must have a Word doc, that's why i
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:14:09 +
Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 03:52:18PM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:44:21AM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
right, but don't forget that to in order to read only a document, you
don't need a google account - just a publicly readable document who's
link
you've got, AFAIK. That's of course hardly a full solution but I'm
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Micha wrote about Re: Preparing to convince to shift to
non-propriety documents formats:
I didn't check it and don't know how it applies to school children, but
I was told that as a student with a valid student ID you can get a free
license for MS software, renewed
On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
This doesn't make any sense. Like I said, virtually everyone in the
country either has school-aged children, or can easily find one - so
who
*won't* get a free MS license if this was the deal?
Why does that not make sense? The licenses are
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 15:40:05 +0200
Boaz Rymland boaz.ryml...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote:
2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland boaz.ryml...@gmail.com
of course the whole reason to this thread and me contacting the principal
is the
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Micha wrote about Re: Preparing to convince to
shift to non-propriety documents formats:
I didn't check it and don't know how it applies to school children, but
I was told that as a student
On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Boaz Rymland wrote:
yuck!
So it was ok for SUN to buy StarOffice and give it away in order to
reduce MS/Office sales?
OpenOffice's free price and open source was a marketing tool too.
Before you go you must be anti FOSS on me, bear in mind there were
many
Nobody said that M$ is the root of evil and Sun is the source of all good.
Even if the tactics and ways of M$ and Sun are equally ugly, and I really
can't answer on that, the key difference is that Sun is pushing a product
that first and foremost promotes open standards and that is *good*. As
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 10:26:51PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Boaz Rymland wrote:
yuck!
So it was ok for SUN to buy StarOffice and give it away in order to
reduce MS/Office sales?
OpenOffice's free price and open source was a marketing tool too.
On Sunday, 5 בFebruary 2012 15:52:45 Micha wrote:
I can't seem to change page numbering (i.e suppress page numbering on
some pages) or change head/footer format. One thing that microsoft does
ok (but messes up a whole lot of others in return).
Huh? Page-styles are your friends. You can defined
On Sunday, 5 בFebruary 2012 19:37:05 Shlomi Fish wrote:
I believe recent versions of Microsoft Office support ODT (I don't know how
perfectly). At least I saw it in their file formats' drop box.
Stay away from this, it's a trap. Their implementation (unsurprisingly)
generates ODF that isn't
Morning Dear Listers,
I am looking for the right solution for following problem.
I came recently across some of multicast setsockopt() calls that have their
structures defined in /usr/include/linux/ directory.
But you cannot leave without arpa/net functions such as htons() and alike.
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