Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-11 Thread Danny Lieberman
Maxim My comment was in an ironic-vein - I am hardly a fan of J2EE - it was designed for a number of use cases that don't exist in real life which is way PHP and ROR are so good. Danny On 9/10/07, Maxim Veksler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/10/07, Danny Lieberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-10 Thread Danny Lieberman
Herouth I see Matrix are looking for a J2EE programmer on the list.that might be an indicator.Danny On 9/3/07, Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/09/2007, at 20:13, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: I want to do something new. That's why I asked what the current market demands

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-10 Thread Maxim Veksler
On 9/10/07, Danny Lieberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Herouth I see Matrix are looking for a J2EE programmer on the list.that might be an indicator.Danny I would think twice before turning to work for Matrix, but perhaps that's just me. On 9/3/07, Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Map applications are an excellent example for this topic. First, they may not have existed in the '80, but they certainly did exist in the early '90s. Only then you couldn't do them without a serious client, way over the capabilities of the PCs of the day. You needed a unix

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
course), get travel directions and so on - have been solved problems by 1992 or so. It was just a matter of being able to work the They were solved in theory. In practice, AFAIK there were next to no applications - at least ones accessible to average user, don't know what happened in

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Kfir Lavi
Hi, I have worked back in 1998 at a computer game company. One of the leading programmers was someone from big company in the Silicon Valley, with about 10 years experience in graphic programming. Back then the salary was bombastic, but as for production, he was ACE. Unfortunately the company

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 09:59:02AM +0300, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: but in fact do not. You don't have that marketing problem with Linux kernel programming. I wouldn't be so sure, although there's probably a difference of scale. You'd be surprised how many people call themselves kernel

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:20:37AM +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote: If you are Zionist as you said, wouldn't it be great to create more power to Israel, by boosting its economy. You also don't have to build yourself the company or be a manager, its just to find the right people to build it with them.

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:24:36AM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: I wouldn't be so sure, although there's probably a difference of scale. You'd be surprised how many people call themselves kernel programmers when in fact their output is accurately described by slide 29 of this presentation:

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007, Herouth Maoz wrote about Re: Career advice needed: by 1992 or so. It was just a matter of being able to work the interface in a user's environment (when the user didn't have $10,000 to spend on a workstation), and improve storage capabilities of clients, and speed

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Dan Bar Dov
Wow, what a thread have you started. My only 2 cents - and maybe I'm wrong - If you like the area of web-dev - stick with it. If you worked for the salary, I would feel sorry for you. But if you enjoy what you do, then stick to what you enjoy, the extra money is not important. As to

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 04/09/2007, at 09:29, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Map applications are an excellent example for this topic. First, they may not have existed in the '80, but they certainly did exist in the early '90s. Only then you couldn't do them without a serious client, way over the capabilities of the

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-04 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 04/09/2007, at 10:20, Kfir Lavi wrote: Consider going back to school and find the field you want to research. This will give you the intellectual stimuli you need. I thought about it. But then, I never could get a handle on the way academic research works. It was always beyond me.

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-03 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 02/09/2007, at 20:13, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: I want to do something new. That's why I asked what the current market demands are. I have an opportunity to change. The choice what to change to depends on what's available, and out of what's available I'm hoping to select what will

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-03 Thread Lior Kesos
Hi Herouth, What I don't understand is the whole LAMP grudge your carrying around... From my experience (as someone that lives off LAMP related training,projects, products) there is a big difference in the development experience between wielding zope, doing home grown cgi- perl development,

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-03 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 03/09/2007, at 22:57, Lior Kesos wrote: Hi Herouth, What I don't understand is the whole LAMP grudge your carrying around... From my experience (as someone that lives off LAMP related training,projects, products) there is a big difference in the development experience between wielding

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-03 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On 9/3/07, Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sick-sick-sick and tired of writing yet-another-page that displays data from a database. .. The truth is that all web applications are just sugar coated information systems, and nowadays, with Ajax, they are really no different than the

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-03 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
you can build using the HTTP protocol that I'm sick of - web services, forms, buttons, integrity checks. Oh, and Javascript is, in fact, my least favourite platform. I find it unreliable, with compatibility problems between platforms, and it's generally being used in order to force HTML to

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-03 Thread Herouth Maoz
--Apple-Mail-1-123579580 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 04/09/2007, at 05:18, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Yes and no. Yes because it's not that there's new computer science being born or

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-02 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007, Herouth Maoz wrote about Re: Career advice needed: If I decided that I'm interested in CGI, or artificial intelligence, or quantum computing, or Macintosh application programming, do you really think that a job would pop up? Obviously, you can't decide that you're

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-02 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 11:43:35AM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: Obviously, you can't decide that you're interested in something... You need to convince employers that you have one or more of (with bonus points if you have more than one of them): 1. Burning desire (a passion) for the topic

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-02 Thread Amos Shapira
On 01/09/07, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Light aircraft license is about 10-15K NIS. Can be accomplished in a few months. Assuming you were not a pilot for the air force, your only real option is flying for Arkia. You will need to do IFR training, and conversion to bigger

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-02 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Amos Shapira wrote: On 01/09/07, *Shachar Shemesh* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Light aircraft license is about 10-15K NIS. Can be accomplished in a few months. Assuming you were not a pilot for the air force, your only real option is flying for

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-02 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Sep 02, 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote about Re: Career advice needed: Sometimes as you've said, there are no jobs IN ISRAEL for certain skills. Which is why I think it's pointless to acquire only certain skills. I've worked in several jobs in my life, and each one of them was very

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-02 Thread Omer Zak
On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 13:32 +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: This advice was true 20 years ago, but I'd advise against this today (unless, of course, you want to see the world). There are plenty of computer jobs in Israel - in large companies, medium companies, and startups. True, a resource for

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-02 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Would like to learn MBA or marketing? Languages will change one another, but economic will lasts forever. It's not 6 monthes, however. Also, not having any marketing experience would mean very base-level job for at least a number of years, I think.

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-02 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
I want to do something new. That's why I asked what the current market demands are. I have an opportunity to change. The choice what to change to depends on what's available, and out of what's available I'm hoping to select what will seem the most interesting to me, given the time and money

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can use these 6 months to develop my skills in some other area of programming, and maybe even get some experience by participating in an open source project of some kind. What I'd like your advice on is - what directions are popular, have high demand,

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Boaz Rymland
As someone who worked in Zend up to recently and got a good sense of the market searching for opportunities that suits my somewhat similar needs, I can add the following bits of information: - Demand for PHP programmers in Israel has grown nicely recently. From very little some two years ago

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 31/08/2007, at 04:02, Ravid Baruch Naali wrote: Herouth Maoz wrote: Sorry Maoz, but I don't have a good advice, but I can give you some pointers where to start your own research. http://www.job4me.net/ - a google lookalike web site which searches every Hi-tech company for their job

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 31/08/2007, at 23:28, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Herouth Maoz wrote: Do you think that 6-7 months from now, I'll be able to open the career supplement of a newspaper, or Job-net, or apply to one of the assignment agencies, and find jobs where the skill set required says Django? It greatly

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 31/08/2007, at 23:37, Maxim Veksler wrote: It seems that there were not even one decent company in Israel that would fall under these conditions. This was ~2 years ago. So they turned to .Net. We had a similar problem in our company. When we had a project that was too large for our

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Herouth Maoz
--Apple-Mail-6--116742648 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 01/09/2007, at 09:42, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: It is not about PHP, Python, or kernel programming. I do believe it begins and ends with

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Herouth Maoz wrote: :-) I'll keep that in mind, though I have a feeling one can only get into one of those through connections, not through advertising. Huh? I have seen several such companies (Lingnu included) advertise right here. Of Lingnu's technical workers, most are people I know

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Herouth Maoz
--Apple-Mail-7--112883372 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 01/09/2007, at 03:22, Amos Shapira wrote: Short of doing a whole switch to kernel programming (or switch to becoming an airline pilot,

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Herouth Maoz wrote: --Apple-Mail-7--112883372 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 01/09/2007, at 03:22, Amos Shapira wrote: Short of doing a whole switch to kernel programming (or switch to

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread guy keren
Herouth Maoz wrote: On 01/09/2007, at 03:22, Amos Shapira wrote: , you might want to consider expanding your existing skills towards related ones - SQL database design and programming should be useful in many places. Oh, SQL, table structure design, stored procedures, transactions - it

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 01/09/2007, at 16:19, guy keren wrote: Herouth Maoz wrote: On 01/09/2007, at 03:22, Amos Shapira wrote: , you might want to consider expanding your existing skills towards related ones - SQL database design and programming should be useful in many places. Oh, SQL, table structure

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Maxim Veksler
On 9/1/07, Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far I'm told that kernel drivers are in demand. I've noted that to myself (as well as the other general advices given), and it's an option. Basically, any suggestion will be welcome - I'm trying to get a feel of the market, not to make an

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 01/09/2007, at 22:17, Maxim Veksler wrote: Well, from my short swim in the industry I can tell you the following market trends: 1. Advertising is hot, everything from analytical people to graphical designers goes. 2. System Analysts are being hired quickly today, you must have a firm

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Hi Herouth, Herouth Maoz wrote: Since Django is racing towards the 1.0 release (currently in 0.97-pre), you'll be getting in to in on this project at the best of time: a killer framework that dwarfs any thing else around in the field (save maybe to Ruby on Rails), which is already productive

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Herouth Maoz
One thing's for sure, Gilad. If I needed to hire an excellent motivational speaker who gives irresistible sales pitches, I'd go for Steve Jobs. But failing that, I'll certainly ask for you. :) On 02/09/2007, at 00:29, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Security guards are cogs. Excellence simply

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Constantine Shulyupin
Herouth, Would like to learn MBA or marketing? Languages will change one another, but economic will lasts forever. Constantine. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g.,

Re: Career advice needed

2007-09-01 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 01:36:40AM +0300, Herouth Maoz wrote: You failed to mention a crucial thing that get CxOs jobs - connections. People know about them. They have a nice black book of contacts from their previous jobs and military service which they maintain. They have people who

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Herouth Maoz wrote: I can use these 6 months to develop my skills in some other area of programming, and maybe even get some experience by participating in an open source project of some kind. What I'd like your advice on is - what directions are popular, have high demand, and can accommodate

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Herouth Maoz wrote: Hello, fellow Linuxers. I'd like your advice regarding a job change. .. I'm basically a PHP programmer, though in the past two years I've been doing more integration work and problem solving than any web development .. I can use these 6 months to develop my skills in

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 31/08/2007, at 17:02, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Since Django is racing towards the 1.0 release (currently in 0.97- pre), you'll be getting in to in on this project at the best of time: a killer framework that dwarfs any thing else around in the field (save maybe to Ruby on Rails), which

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 31/08/2007, at 16:44, Shachar Shemesh wrote: First of all, (good) web programmers have a high demand. What they do not have, unfortunately, is a high salary. The amount of not-so- good web programmers around means that it's very hard to differentiate yourself. The clients, usually, do

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Dan Armak
On Friday 31 August 2007, Herouth Maoz wrote: Do you think that 6-7 months from now, I'll be able to open the career supplement of a newspaper, or Job-net, or apply to one of the assignment agencies, and find jobs where the skill set required says Django? I seriously doubt that. Can you even

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread guy keren
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Herouth Maoz wrote: I can use these 6 months to develop my skills in some other area of programming, and maybe even get some experience by participating in an open source project of some kind. What I'd like your advice on is - what directions are popular, have high

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Oded Arbel
On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 19:39 +0300, Dan Armak wrote: On Friday 31 August 2007, Herouth Maoz wrote: Do you think that 6-7 months from now, I'll be able to open the career supplement of a newspaper, or Job-net, or apply to one of the assignment agencies, and find jobs where the skill set

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Gabor Szabo
On 8/31/07, Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been in one such interview (granted they were using Jython mostly), and have heard of a couple of other such opportunities - but even Perl jobs are still more in demand and these are also a small minority. It is not like in Java but we have

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Constantine Shulyupin
THE hottest skill today is Linux kernel programming (usually, but not always, drivers). If you know your stuff, there is no reason you won't be able to get enough skill within a couple of months to be able to get a job (which means you skill set improves while you're getting paid). This will

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Ravid Baruch Naali
Herouth Maoz wrote: Sorry Maoz, but I don't have a good advice, but I can give you some pointers where to start your own research. http://www.job4me.net/ - a google lookalike web site which searches every Hi-tech company for their job offers. http://free-electrons.com/ - excellent web site

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Herouth Maoz wrote: Do you think that 6-7 months from now, I'll be able to open the career supplement of a newspaper, or Job-net, or apply to one of the assignment agencies, and find jobs where the skill set required says Django? It greatly depends on an aspect you did not specify - employee

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Maxim Veksler
On 8/31/07, Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, fellow Linuxers. I'd like your advice regarding a job change. My company has been acquired. There is a chance that my boss won't stay around, and if so, I'm not going to stay around, either - because the chances are that the business

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 08:35:25PM +0300, guy keren wrote: by the wa - this is true for gush dan. in the north - there are close to zero open jobs for linux kernel programmers (i would say zero - but maybe someone had such job openings lately) I know of at least two companies in the north

Re: Career advice needed

2007-08-31 Thread Amos Shapira
On 31/08/2007, Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm basically a PHP programmer, though in the past two years I've Short of doing a whole switch to kernel programming (or switch to becoming an airline pilot, which is what a friend of mine did and I wish I could :), you might want to