Re: PPPoE instead of PPTP on Bezeq ADSL - howto
It sounds right in theory, has anybody tried it, besides Doron ??? As you know, there is 2 common versions of Alctatel modems, version 2.x and version 3.x Now, the config is slightly different and so is the functionality. What I need to know, is there someone who succedded in this setup over the 3.x version ? --- Oleg Kobets Network Administrator Breakthrough LTD. 054-747132 03-6349922 Ext 26 Black hole is God divided by zero - Original Message - From: Doron Shikmoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:31 AM Subject: PPPoE instead of PPTP on Bezeq ADSL - howto Hi all, Bezeq's installation instructions for ADSL user require setting up a PPTP VPN (tunnel). It seems as if many people believe that this is a firm requirement, and that it would not be possible to use different schemes - case in point, PPPoE - to connect to ADSL, because Bezeq does not support PPPoE. A bunch of low-cost home/SOHO routers come equipped with a PPPoE client, but not with a PPTP client. By many, they are thought to be unusable in Israel. (PPPoE is common in the US and in many other parts of the world, as the protocol of choice to connect to ADSL). Well, you can do it now. If you want to do away with PPTP, and use PPPoE to connect to Bezeq's ADSL, you are invited to read over the instructions at: http://www.isoc.org.il/~doron/PPPoE.html . (at this point, the document deals with the Alcatel ADSL modem. I hope to be able to update it for other types as well). Comments welcome. Enjoy! Doron = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Hi everybody,
All of a sudden, my CD writer refuses to work properly (it has been
working just fine until now, for at least 18 months or so).
Platform:
RH7.3 on Pentium III 866 Mhz, different variations of RH's 2.4.18
(2.4.18-{5,10,18.7.x}), cdrecord-1.10-11.
Symptoms:
# cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -data rh.iso
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jorg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: '0,0,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'
atapi: 1
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info: 'RICOH '
Identifikation : 'CD-R/RW MP7120A '
Revision : '1.20'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags : SWABAUDIO
FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB
Track 01: data 623 MB
Total size: 715 MB (70:54.74) = 319106 sectors
Lout start: 716 MB (70:56/56) = 319106 sectors
cdrecord: Input/output error. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x2 Not Ready, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x3A Qual 0x00 (medium not present) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 40s
cdrecord: No disk / Wrong disk!
It does seem that there is nothing wrong with cdrecord or kernel:
cdrecord is talking to the device, also
# cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jorg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) 'RICOH ' 'CD-R/RW MP7120A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM
0,1,0 1) *
0,2,0 2) *
0,3,0 3) *
0,4,0 4) *
0,5,0 5) *
0,6,0 6) *
0,7,0 7) *
Here is the list of loaded modules, which may be relevant:
# /sbin/lsmod
Module Size Used byNot tainted
sr_mod 16056 0 (autoclean)
sb 8992 0 (autoclean)
sb_lib 39456 0 (autoclean) [sb]
uart401 7744 0 (autoclean) [sb_lib]
sound 69388 0 (autoclean) [sb_lib uart401]
soundcore 6212 5 (autoclean) [sb_lib sound]
tdfx 37656 1
agpgart40256 0 (unused)
binfmt_misc 7236 1
autofs 11172 0 (autoclean) (unused)
3c59x 28328 1
ide-scsi9376 0
scsi_mod 104848 2 [sr_mod ide-scsi]
ide-cd 30144 0
cdrom 31936 0 [sr_mod ide-cd]
usb-uhci 24324 0 (unused)
usbcore71072 1 [usb-uhci]
ext3 64800 5
jbd47892 5 [ext3]
Nor can I read a CD from the drive, seemingly for the same reason:
# mount /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1
mount: block device /dev/cdrom1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
mount: No medium found
Is it a problem with the optical system? What can I check? Is there a
way to clean it or something? Any pointers? I'd like to avoid buying a
new CD writer if I can.
I STFWed, of course, saw quite a few complaints, but no useful
diagnostics procedure or pointers to solutions.
Thanks,
--
Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946
First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960
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Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: All of a sudden, my CD writer refuses to work properly (it has been working just fine until now, for at least 18 months or so). 1. Clean the lens. Buy a CD/DVD lens clean disk for about 20-30 NIS. 2. Look for microcode updates on the web. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson MobilEye Vision Technologies Ltd, R.M.P.E House, 10 Hartom St. Har Hotzvim, Jerusalem, 91450 Israel Tel: +972-2-5417-356 Cell: +972-55-667-090 Do sysadmins count networked sheep? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: All of a sudden, my CD writer refuses to work properly (it has been working just fine until now, for at least 18 months or so). 1. Clean the lens. Buy a CD/DVD lens clean disk for about 20-30 NIS. Anything in particular that I should need to know in connection with Linux? Brands that work or don't? Commands to make the cleaning disk spin? Or do they come with music? http://www.immt.pwr.wroc.pl/faq/msg00092.html http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/cdfaq.htm#cdcdlcd don't make me feel very optimistic though... 2. Look for microcode updates on the web. Uh? Why should I? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946 First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
1. Use different recording the media.
2. Clean the cd-r lenses as Geofrey mentioned.
3. Try complete poweroff, NOT reboot. (I know, I know, but it works
nevertheless)
---
Oleg Kobets
Network Administrator
Breakthrough LTD.
054-747132
03-6349922 Ext 26
Black hole is God divided by zero
- Original Message -
From: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:06 PM
Subject: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Hi everybody,
All of a sudden, my CD writer refuses to work properly (it has been
working just fine until now, for at least 18 months or so).
Platform:
RH7.3 on Pentium III 866 Mhz, different variations of RH's 2.4.18
(2.4.18-{5,10,18.7.x}), cdrecord-1.10-11.
Symptoms:
# cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=0,0,0 -data rh.iso
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jorg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: '0,0,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'
atapi: 1
Device type: Removable CD-ROM
Version: 0
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info: 'RICOH '
Identifikation : 'CD-R/RW MP7120A '
Revision : '1.20'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags : SWABAUDIO
FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB
Track 01: data 623 MB
Total size: 715 MB (70:54.74) = 319106 sectors
Lout start: 716 MB (70:56/56) = 319106 sectors
cdrecord: Input/output error. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 3A 00 00 00
Sense Key: 0x2 Not Ready, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x3A Qual 0x00 (medium not present) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.001s timeout 40s
cdrecord: No disk / Wrong disk!
It does seem that there is nothing wrong with cdrecord or kernel:
cdrecord is talking to the device, also
# cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jorg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.24
Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) 'RICOH ' 'CD-R/RW MP7120A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM
0,1,0 1) *
0,2,0 2) *
0,3,0 3) *
0,4,0 4) *
0,5,0 5) *
0,6,0 6) *
0,7,0 7) *
Here is the list of loaded modules, which may be relevant:
# /sbin/lsmod
Module Size Used byNot tainted
sr_mod 16056 0 (autoclean)
sb 8992 0 (autoclean)
sb_lib 39456 0 (autoclean) [sb]
uart401 7744 0 (autoclean) [sb_lib]
sound 69388 0 (autoclean) [sb_lib uart401]
soundcore 6212 5 (autoclean) [sb_lib sound]
tdfx 37656 1
agpgart40256 0 (unused)
binfmt_misc 7236 1
autofs 11172 0 (autoclean) (unused)
3c59x 28328 1
ide-scsi9376 0
scsi_mod 104848 2 [sr_mod ide-scsi]
ide-cd 30144 0
cdrom 31936 0 [sr_mod ide-cd]
usb-uhci 24324 0 (unused)
usbcore71072 1 [usb-uhci]
ext3 64800 5
jbd47892 5 [ext3]
Nor can I read a CD from the drive, seemingly for the same reason:
# mount /dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1
mount: block device /dev/cdrom1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
mount: No medium found
Is it a problem with the optical system? What can I check? Is there a
way to clean it or something? Any pointers? I'd like to avoid buying a
new CD writer if I can.
I STFWed, of course, saw quite a few complaints, but no useful
diagnostics procedure or pointers to solutions.
Thanks,
--
Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946
First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960
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Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Anything in particular that I should need to know in connection with Linux? Brands that work or don't? Commands to make the cleaning disk spin? Or do they come with music? Some do, some come with videos, Any one will do. Put it in your drive and try to mount it. Does not matter if it does or not. http://www.immt.pwr.wroc.pl/faq/msg00092.html http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/cdfaq.htm#cdcdlcd don't make me feel very optimistic though... It's probably dirt. 2. Look for microcode updates on the web. Uh? Why should I? Why not. :-) Often there are patches which improve things. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson MobilEye Vision Technologies Ltd, R.M.P.E House, 10 Hartom St. Har Hotzvim, Jerusalem, 91450 Israel Tel: +972-2-5417-356 Cell: +972-55-667-090 Do sysadmins count networked sheep? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
On 24 Nov 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: 1. Clean the lens. Buy a CD/DVD lens clean disk for about 20-30 NIS. Anything in particular that I should need to know in connection with Linux? Brands that work or don't? Commands to make the cleaning disk spin? Or do they come with music? http://www.immt.pwr.wroc.pl/faq/msg00092.html http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/cdfaq.htm#cdcdlcd don't make me feel very optimistic though... From my experiance, once a CD-eye got dust on it, it will happen again, rather soon. To give it a better chance, kindly disassemble your computer and dust it (using the apropriate air spary or whatever). -- Orna. | http://tx.technion.ac.il/~agmon A cat has claws at the end of its paws. A sentence has a pause at the end of its clause. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Oleg Kobets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Use different recording the media. Tried. It is the same for 2 different brands of CDs, both used successfully in the past. 2. Clean the cd-r lenses as Geofrey mentioned. 3. Try complete poweroff, NOT reboot. (I know, I know, but it works nevertheless) Tried that, too. Thanks, -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946 First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: right or wrong to copy proprietary software
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002, Tal Achituv wrote about OT: right or wrong to copy proprietary software: I need to write an essay about is it right or wrong to copy proprietary software Can some of you please point me to good resources on the subject? Several people have told you to look for resources about stealing, but in fact this is incorrect: I am not aware of any country where illegally copying copyrighted software is considered theft. Illegal, yes, theft no. There are hundreds of crimes in the law book, but not all of them are called theft. What you're probably looking for is some background on the subject of copyright. It seems you're interested in the laws (what are people allowed to copy) and their history, and also in the moral justification for these laws (not just what is allowed and what is not, but also what is right and what is wrong). The Universita Hameshuderet is running now (Wednesdays, 8:30pm, Galaz) a lecture series on intellectual property (copyright and patents), which seems interesting and relevant. Two relevant lectures have already passed (about the moral aspects of copyright, what entitles someone a copyright and why, and the financial aspects of copyright), but I suppose the future lectures might be interesting too. In the future it might also be possible to get that lecture series in book form, but I don't know when or how. Lawrence Lessig gave in O'Reilly's Open Source Conference (July 2002) a very interesting presentation about the history of copyright and patent law, from the perspective of a free-software person (so that his conclusions would obviously be different from those that, say, Bill Gates, might have in giving a lecture on the same subject). You can find the mp3, presentation, and transcript in http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/ Good luck, and I'll be looking forward to reading what you write. -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Nov 24 2002, 19 Kislev 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Software is like sex, it is better when http://nadav.harel.org.il |it's free -- Linus Torvalds = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: right or wrong to copy proprietary software
Sure it is. Same thing as stealing a tomato from a market stall. You are depriving the seller of a probable sale. Uh, no. One tomato is not a probable sale. A kilogram of tomatos is. When you steal a kilogram of tomatos it raises a question - how come you are so poor you aren't able to afford it? And what are you supposed to do if you are? Again, is stealing one tomatoe or 1 kg of tomatos right or wrong? *regardless of circumstances*. Well - one tomato is a sure sale... Finally the seller would have sold it for even a fraction of the cost - (a day before it goes bad)... But what would he care if I'd copy his basket of tomatoes? (he wouldn't have a job if I could do that). What about the farmer? He wouldn't have a job too... (Then again - maybe, in a world where food replication is possible, we should Use the labor force of farmers to mine gold or search for oil?) I'd love to get your comments on this... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: right or wrong to copy proprietary software
Sure it is. Same thing as stealing a tomato from a market stall. You are depriving the seller of a probable sale. Uh, no. One tomato is not a probable sale. A kilogram of tomatos is. When you steal a kilogram of tomatos it raises a question - how come you are so poor you aren't able to afford it? And what are you supposed to do if you are? Again, is stealing one tomatoe or 1 kg of tomatos right or wrong? *regardless of circumstances*. Well - one tomato is a sure sale... Finally the seller would have sold it for even a fraction of the cost - (a day before it goes bad)... But what would he care if I'd copy his basket of tomatoes? (he wouldn't have a job if I could do that). What about the farmer? He wouldn't have a job too... (Then again - maybe, in a world where food replication is possible, we should Use the labor force of farmers to mine gold or search for oil?) I'd love to get your comments on this... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: right or wrong to copy proprietary software
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Tal Achituv wrote: I'd love to get your comments on this... This is a good subject for hackers-il, I believe... -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: right or wrong to copy proprietary software
Tal Achituv [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One tomato is not a probable sale. A kilogram of tomatos is. It seems that a private mail was followed up on the list... Anyway, don't try to come up with quantitative criteria. I recall a Jack London story involving a stolen potato. The problem was, it happened in a prospectors' camp during Yukon or Alaskan winter, and potatoes were essential to fight scurvy. So it's not quantity, it's circumstances. It should be fairly clear to everybody who is not of communist persuasion that generally speaking copying copyrighted materials is bad. There are known exceptions in the world of, say, music, TV, radio, etc, involving the notion of fair use. I suggest you try to discuss the possible circumstances of fair use of software. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946 First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
longhorn's winFS, what about linux ?
i've seen a lot of feedback on the net lately on winFS (the new filesystem MS are going to use in their next version of windows, codenamed longhorn.) Longhorn will include a database-like file system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS), which is based on technology from SQL Server 2003 (code-named Yukon). This file system will abstract physical file locations from the user and allow for the sorts of complex data searching that are impossible today. For example, today, your email messages, contacts, Word documents, and music files are all completely separate. That won't be the case in Longhorn. i was wondering if there's any intention to try and implement something similar in linux, and if there are any advantages to this technology that justifies the effort. I'd like to review this issue in whatsup.org.il, and your thoughts\comments\opinions are highly welcomed here. good thing ? bad thing ? fire away -- == Amir Tal Founder, Owner Whatsup, Hebrew Linux Portal Voice:+972-8-9363164 Fax: +972-8-9363164 Cell: +972-58-978979 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: www.whatsup.org.il ICQ : 15748705 == = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: right or wrong to copy proprietary software
Since a private discussion wound up on the list anyway, I would repost my private response to mulix to the list below. - Cut here - On Sunday 24 November 2002 16:46, you wrote: [snip] I do not advocate stealing or, for this matter, software piracy, but it is absolutely pointless to insist that software piracy is archevil and should be fought at all costs. That's not the point. This discussion is about ethics, about morals and rights and wrongs. Is it right or wrong to copy a copyrighted, proprietary work? I maintain that it's stealing, and therefore wrong. We're actually arguing semantics here. First of all, let's separate wrong from illegal and right from legal. Not everything that is illegal is wrong, and not everything that is right is legal. Ethical evaluation should be based on moral examination, not on a legal one. Hence, just to clarify, the question of right or wrong applies purely to the moral, not legal side of the problem. Stealing, as per definition, is committing an act of theft. Here is what Webster's has to say about theft: [...] To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position [...] When you copy someone's proprietary work, you are NOT stealing. If you took someone's blueprints of invention and applied a 2x4 on their head so that they effectively forget how their invention works, -THAT- is stealing. The treacherous act of stealing per se is considered wrong not because YOU obtain something but because you DEPRIVE someone else of what is rightfully their. You might ask whether it is not their right to have profit (sale) based on their intellectual property? This is the subject of our further discussion. Now that we have established that technically copying proprietary intellectual property is not a theft, we can surely say that since it's not, one can not say that doing so is wrong because it's stealing. It does not mean that IP piracy is right - it just invalidates one specific argument on why it's wrong. [snipped a lot of irrelevant stuff] While we're here discussing the software piracy, large software companies ride the piracy damn well. Piracy is the free distribution network which provides free marketing for the next generation of computer programmers, technicians, system administrators, and scientists. Or so it used to be - before free software arrived. In 1990 and before, you'd have hard time purchasing specialized software, much less games - but a lot, lot of people grew up on pirated DOS, Windows, pirated Office, Borland C++ (and consequently Visual Studio) and extended Microsoft's market to the degree where Microsoft became a monopoly that, to put it simple, doesn't give a fuck. Again, besides the point. It is very very on the subject, actually. This argument supports the opinion that software piracy is not -the- absolute evil. Microsoft would be nowhere as far as it is today if not the piracy. Much like the marketing genius of IBM was to sell solutions, not computers, Gates' marketing genius was first sew, then be patient, then reap. Again, piracy is not bad per se. It is just an outcome of lame marketing on the media producers' and software companies' part. That was a lovely missive, but you failed to come out and say what I think you imply: that pirating a copyrighted work, which I maintain is stealing, is right. Is that really what you think? I don't care about market conditions and poor customers right now, I only care about a moral issue. Right or wrong? Let us see. The issue of intellectual property is way more complicated than just right or wrong. Apply the following test: is it right or wrong for a company to sell product A for $700, given that a kid in family X would not be able to afford it and hence successfully apprehend this software in the legal way, and, consequently, get employed? I bet you would argue that the IP/copyright holder has an absolute right to set the price and marketing conditions as per capitalist idea of free market. Like I said before, the delusional idea of absolute and irresponsible freedom ethically can not be allowed here. It worked on retail markets before simply because there was competition that compensated for price inflation perpetually. The reason that we don't see this competition in the media world is quite simple: while in retail markets sale income is proportional to expenses (as in you need to spend X to produce one item), media industry does not actually consume raw materials, thus costs to produce one item are irrelevant because the aggregate expense of the project development and deployment is fixed. Hence, most funds in a media company accumulate inside it and never leave it, circling inside. In conditions like this, the company can grow just because it was first on the market, not because it is
Re: longhorn's winFS, what about linux ?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Amir Tal wrote: i've seen a lot of feedback on the net lately on winFS (the new filesystem MS are going to use in their next version of windows, codenamed longhorn.) Longhorn will include a database-like file system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS), which is based on technology from SQL Server 2003 (code-named Yukon). This file system will abstract physical file locations from the user and allow for the sorts of complex data searching that are impossible today. For example, today, your email messages, contacts, Word documents, and music files are all completely separate. That won't be the case in Longhorn. Isn't that too complex for the kernel and shouldn't this be left to user-level programs? i was wondering if there's any intention to try and implement something similar in linux, and if there are any advantages to this technology that justifies the effort. Gnome's VFS library? (Or whatever is used by evolution) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any one will do. Put it in your drive and try to mount it. Does not matter if it does or not. Obviously, it didn't. Why should it find this particular CD if it does not find any other? Nor does the disk spin with any CD player app I tried (it's supposed to be a music CD). No change in status, and I have just wasted NIS 35, I think... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946 First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: longhorn's winFS, what about linux ?
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Amir Tal wrote: Longhorn will include a database-like file system called Windows Future Storage (WinFS), which is based on technology from SQL Server 2003 (code-named Yukon). This file system will abstract physical file locations from the user and allow for the sorts of complex data searching that are impossible today. For example, today, your email messages, contacts, Word documents, and music files are all completely separate. That won't be the case in Longhorn. i was wondering if there's any intention to try and implement something similar in linux, and if there are any advantages to this technology that justifies the effort. I'd like to review this issue in whatsup.org.il, and your thoughts\comments\opinions are highly welcomed here. look for information about 'universal databases'. they aimed at turning everything into queriable database material. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
On 24 Nov 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any one will do. Put it in your drive and try to mount it. Does not matter if it does or not. Obviously, it didn't. Why should it find this particular CD if it does not find any other? Nor does the disk spin with any CD player app I tried (it's supposed to be a music CD). No change in status, and I have just wasted NIS 35, I think... oh, not at all. you bought some knowledge with those 35 NIS. until now - you had a _hunch_. why don't you step over to the technician to check the CD? it could be that it got damaged beyond cleaning. its a rule commonly known by peple who worked in customer support: if it stopped working 'all of a sudden', do NOT exclude hardware malfunction from the list of potential problems to check. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
On 24 Nov 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any one will do. Put it in your drive and try to mount it. Does not matter if it does or not. Obviously, it didn't. Why should it find this particular CD if it does not find any other? Nor does the disk spin with any CD player app I tried (it's supposed to be a music CD). No change in status, and I have just wasted NIS 35, I think... The primitive way is to do this with an ear-stick(??) (MAKLON OZNAYIM), dipped in alcohol, and exremely gently clean the eye manually. But of course this takes taking apart the CD. I have done this sucessfully on audio CDs readers, never on a burner. And of course never open it when it is operating- LASER. (yes, i know you know, but I would not have slept had I not said it) -- Orna. | http://tx.technion.ac.il/~agmon A cat has claws at the end of its paws. A sentence has a pause at the end of its clause. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: oh, not at all. you bought some knowledge with those 35 NIS. until now - you had a _hunch_. I referred to the hindsight 20/20 that should have told me that if ordinary CDs don't spin the cleaning one won't either... why don't you step over to the technician to check the CD? it could be that it got damaged beyond cleaning. Sure. I got to thinking it may be a mechanical or electrical problem, too. I wanted to try at least something before going to technician. its a rule commonly known by peple who worked in customer support: if it stopped working 'all of a sudden', do NOT exclude hardware malfunction from the list of potential problems to check. And I didn't. Thanks, Guy, -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946 First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Orna Agmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And of course never open it when it is operating- LASER. (yes, i know you know, but I would not have slept had I not said it) To tell you the truth, I would be much more concerned about getting electrocuted one way or another while opening a working computer and taking apart the CD writer than getting harmed by a laser in it. I don't know the parameters, but my guess is that its power is not all that great (though I do want to be careful). If that is right, it can only damage the eye if it is UV (I doubt). Even that is not too bad since I am wearing glasses... Looking at the light of a Xerox machine is probably worse. ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946 First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Actually all computer parts operate at 12v and 5v. Those are the voltages that power supply emits. There is no way you can be electrocuted, but rather you'll feel gentle tickling senstaions :-) As for the laser, it can only harm you if you are looking strait at the eye when it's working (i mean really working, not just connected to live current). As for CD-R, do yourself a favor, buy a new one. There are very cheap and good ones today on the market and to repair this one will cost you more then buy a new one. I am speaking from experience :( --- Oleg Kobets Network Administrator Breakthrough LTD. 054-747132 03-6349922 Ext 26 Black hole is God divided by zero - Original Message - From: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orna Agmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:53 AM Subject: Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk Orna Agmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And of course never open it when it is operating- LASER. (yes, i know you know, but I would not have slept had I not said it) To tell you the truth, I would be much more concerned about getting electrocuted one way or another while opening a working computer and taking apart the CD writer than getting harmed by a laser in it. I don't know the parameters, but my guess is that its power is not all that great (though I do want to be careful). If that is right, it can only damage the eye if it is UV (I doubt). Even that is not too bad since I am wearing glasses... Looking at the light of a Xerox machine is probably worse. ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] First binary search algorithm - J. Mauchly, 1946 First correct binary search algorithm - D.H.Lehmer, 1960 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord, mount complain there is no disk
Orna Agmon wrote: The primitive way is to do this with an ear-stick(??) (MAKLON OZNAYIM), dipped in alcohol, and exremely gently clean the eye manually. But of course this takes taking apart the CD. I have done this sucessfully on audio CDs readers, never on a burner. And of course never open it when it is operating- LASER. (yes, i know you know, but I would not have slept had I not said it) I have done it semi-succesfully on a CD-R once. It was sorta working afterwards, but it burned CDs only some systems could gulp, and others couldn't. I may have shifted something out of sync in the process. As the CD-R wouldn't work at all before that procedure, that was still considered a success of sorts, but beware. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
