RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates

2003-01-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Everybody who was planning to attend today's dinner with RMS, please read: RMS's flight from the US to Europe was delayed yesterday, and he missed his flight to Israel and got stuck in Paris. According to the information we have now he is landing at Ben-Gurion today around 4:30 PM. It is not

scsi tape

2003-01-08 Thread Erez Doron
hi i have a idat400 hp scsi tape. the kernel Identifies it, and i have /dev/*st0* char devices. but whenever i access the tape via tar or mt, i get - no such file or directory. i didn't use scsi tapes in linux for about 5 years, and i was amazed that the scsi tape is a char device and not a

Re: wine, crossover office bidi

2003-01-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
If people are having BiDi problems with the WineHQ code, it should probably fall under my responsibility. I would appretiate, regardless of the above, a copy of the bug list. Shachar Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote: Hi people, During the last few days of people using crossover office, I

Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users

2003-01-08 Thread Eliran
Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I've forgotten to add that my cable provider is Matav. And as far as I know, Bezeq International @ Matav doesn't require pptp - just plain DHCP connection. Any HOW-TO for Internet Zahav ? ;-) = To

Re: scsi tape

2003-01-08 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Erez Doron: but whenever i access the tape via tar or mt, i get - no such file or directory. Do you have st driver compiled in. -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL

logging on to novelle network

2003-01-08 Thread Shai Bentin
Is there a way to logon and share disks with a novelle network? is SAMBA the client for this? thanx = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo

Re: logging on to novelle network

2003-01-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Shai Bentin wrote: Is there a way to logon and share disks with a novelle network? is SAMBA the client for this? thanx = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the

Re: scsi tape

2003-01-08 Thread Erez Doron
Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Quoth Erez Doron: but whenever i access the tape via tar or mt, i get - no such file or directory. Do you have st driver compiled in. /var/log/messeges: scsi2 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.5 Adaptec 2940

Re: scsi tape

2003-01-08 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Erez Doron: Attached scsi tape st0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 yes, seems you do have it. when i access /dev/st0, it automatically loads the st driver. ... but still i get : root]# mt -f /dev/st0 rewind /dev/st0: No such device can you send out lsmod, /proc/scsi/scsi, etc. this

Re: scsi tape

2003-01-08 Thread Erez Doron
Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Quoth Erez Doron: Attached scsi tape st0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 yes, seems you do have it. when i access /dev/st0, it automatically loads the st driver. ... but still i get : root]# mt -f /dev/st0 rewind /dev/st0: No such device

Re: RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates

2003-01-08 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: According to the information we have now he is landing at Ben-Gurion today around 4:30 PM. It is not clear whether he will be up to a dinner with all the crowd just 3 hours after that. I suppose we will not know until he lands. I say

Re: RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates

2003-01-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Last we have heard, the dinner is on, probably 19:30 or so. Feel free to verify by pgone after 17:30 - see below. Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody who was planning to attend today's dinner with RMS, please read: RMS's flight from the US to Europe was delayed yesterday,

Re: scsi tape

2003-01-08 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Erez Doron: st 29108 0 (autoclean) ftape 124840 0 (autoclean) (unused) ide-scsi9664 0 ide-cd 30272 0 cdrom 32192 0 [ide-cd] FastTrak 96996 4 scsi_mod 108576

Re: scsi tape

2003-01-08 Thread Erez Doron
well, i just see it now - they connected a tape to a raid controller . thanks erez. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Quoth Erez Doron: st 29108 0 (autoclean) ftape 124840 0 (autoclean) (unused) ide-scsi9664 0 ide-cd

Re: RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates

2003-01-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I say that RMS or not, an IGLU dinner is long time overdue and we should be there anyway, since the table was reserved and people notified bosses, and several others may get there wiout having read their mail. I'll be there, RMS or not. I agree, and I

Re: RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates

2003-01-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Which reminds me - anyone who is arriving tommorow needs a car pool to Haifa? I'm arriving by car, and I would love to have company. Unfortunetly, my offer is only one way. I do not return to the center right after its over, so anyone relying on me would have to find other accomodations for

Re: Strange cout behaviour

2003-01-08 Thread Guy Baruch
what does g++ -E say ? Boulgakov Andrei wrote: Hi! I compile and run small application on 2 RH8 gcc3.2 stations and get different behavior of cout: = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in

IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Alexander Maryanovsky
I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Some specific notes: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: His argument was that if Linux

Re: Strange cout behaviour

2003-01-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Boulgakov Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi! I compile and run small application on 2  RH8 gcc3.2 stations and get different behavior of cout: On Celeron 1000 Mhz I don't get out line without endl at the end(#6, output is 5 only), On PII(I?) 650 Mhz I get all lines(output 5\nfilename).

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread kfir lavi
Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Some specific notes: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating:

Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users

2003-01-08 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 12:09, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I've forgotten to add that my cable provider is Matav. And as far as I know, Bezeq International @ Matav doesn't require pptp - just plain DHCP connection. Any HOW-TO for Internet Zahav ? ;-) I work with Netvision @

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread herouth
Quoting Alexander Maryanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: His argument was that if Linux is good, it should compete and win based on that, and not on a law. This is

Re: scsi tape

2003-01-08 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Erez Doron wrote: hi i have a idat400 hp scsi tape. the kernel Identifies it, and i have /dev/*st0* char devices. but whenever i access the tape via tar or mt, i get - no such file or directory. i didn't use scsi tapes in linux for about 5 years, and i was amazed that the scsi tape is a char

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Some specific notes: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot,

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Alexander Maryanovsky
Therefore it can be argued that the government should require software to be auditable by some means, but not to force Linux specifically, or even free software in general. For example, assume that MSFT gives the government a peek at their source code, subject to NDA and a license written by the

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Ehud Karni
On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:24:04 +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Linux is Open Source? FreeBSD is Free Software? Am I missing something here? Last I checked, Linux was GPL and FreeBSD was BSD, making Linux Free Software and FreeBSD OSS. I would've believed it was an

Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)

2003-01-08 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, I don't have much experience or knowledge of this issue, so I'm asking here... Those new IDE hard drives that are sold today (40GB and up) with 7200 RPMS are getting hot, as everyone knows (or felt).. So my question is - when a fan is needed, and what sort of fan? I've seen those 3-fans

Re: wine, crossover office bidi

2003-01-08 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Shachar Shemesh wrote: If people are having BiDi problems with the WineHQ code, it should probably fall under my responsibility. I would appretiate, regardless of the above, a copy of the bug list. Shachar Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote: Hi people, During the last few days of people using

Re: wine, crossover office bidi

2003-01-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Daniel Feiglin wrote: Word: As near as I can figure out, when you switch language (E-) Word does not show you the change, nor does it reverse the cursor shape as it does under native Windows. However, it functions correctly. That is a known problem, and is, in fact, covered by BUG #609

updating apache Q.

2003-01-08 Thread Ishai Parasol
Hi If I'm updating apache httpd server (on RH6.2) from 1.3.12 to 1.3.27, do I need to change anything in the httpd.conf file ? Do I actually need to do anything besides rpm -U apache-1.3.27.rpm ? Thanks, Ishai. = To unsubscribe,

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Alexander Maryanovsky, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: His argument was that if Linux is good, it should compete and win based on that, and not on a law.

Re: Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)

2003-01-08 Thread Sagi Bashari
On 08/01/2003 17:51, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, I don't have much experience or knowledge of this issue, so I'm asking here... Those new IDE hard drives that are sold today (40GB and up) with 7200 RPMS are getting hot, as everyone knows (or felt).. So my question is - when a fan is needed, and

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: Naturally, I was disappointed that Stallman did not show up, but still I did not find it disappointed because I got to meet a lot of my Linuxer friends whom I do not get to meet very often (IRL, that is). yeah, I fealt anxious by the number

Ride from Northern Tel-Aviv to the Restaurant

2003-01-08 Thread Shlomi Fish
Is anybody here going to drive from somewhere passing Norther Tel-Aviv (the Ayalon, Derekh Haifa or whatever) and can give me a lift? I live in Ramat-Aviv Gimel and can easily walk a bit to get a ride. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Oleg

Re: Strange cout behaviour

2003-01-08 Thread Shlomi Fish
On 8 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Boulgakov Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi! I compile and run small application on 2 RH8 gcc3.2 stations and get different behavior of cout: On Celeron 1000 Mhz I don't get out line without endl at the end(#6, output is 5 only), On PII(I?)

Re: updating apache Q.

2003-01-08 Thread Henry Ficher
Ishai Parasol wrote: Hi If I'm updating apache httpd server (on RH6.2) from 1.3.12 to 1.3.27, do I need to change anything in the httpd.conf file ? Do I actually need to do anything besides rpm -U apache-1.3.27.rpm ? Thanks, Ishai. After upgrading you'll get a httpd.conf.rpmnew file (your

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Henry Ficher
Ira Abramov wrote: Red Hat are not in the black AFAIK either. Actually, they are: http://www.commweb.com/article/IWK20021217S0007 Cheers, Henry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in

Re: Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)

2003-01-08 Thread Oleg Kobets
There is a special cooling devices for HDD's. Check this one: http://www.pandas.co.il/product_info.php?cPath=55_330products_id=1566 - Original Message - From: Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux-IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Fan or no Fan?

Re: Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)

2003-01-08 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 05:51:09PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, I don't have much experience or knowledge of this issue, so I'm asking here... Those new IDE hard drives that are sold today (40GB and up) with 7200 RPMS are getting hot, as everyone knows (or felt).. So my question is

RE: Strange cout behaviour

2003-01-08 Thread Boulgakov Andrei
Title: RE: Strange cout behaviour It doesn't matter __FILE__ : when I change it to Hello, World it doesn't print on speedy machine and print on slow machine! Something with time slice? g++ -E say in both cases the same: ./aaa: line 37: namespace: command not found ./aaa: line 39: syntax

Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users

2003-01-08 Thread Eliran
Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their site has links to all the providers' sites providing appropriate

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 06:24, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Especially disappointing was Moshe Bar's lecture. I've only heard about him until now, but since he teaches the OS design class in TAU (which I'm going to have to take for my degree), I assumed he's more knowledgeable that that. Of

Re: Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)

2003-01-08 Thread Eran Tromer
On a well-ventilated system with one or two HDDs, you probably don't need extra fans. But just check! All modern HDDs have built-in temperature sensors that are accessible via the SMART interface. Two ways to get the HDD temperature on Linux are 'smartctl -v /dev/hda' (using the 'smartsuite'

Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users

2003-01-08 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:21, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their site has links to

Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users

2003-01-08 Thread Eliran
Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:21, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of

RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Well, thanks to everybody who came. I did not count, but someone did, and there were more than 30 people (34?). It was a little bit too many for an orderly discussion, but I think some self-organization took place somewhere in the middle of the evening, and I hope no one is too angry. Anyone who

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: 2. Nobody is making money from selling Free software? This may be true per se, but it's a very bad statement. There are many companies who are making money *developing* Free software, so who cares if they're and proof was Zend and a few others. I

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
Hello Mr. Stallman, IGLU people, On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Well, thanks to everybody who came. I did not count, but someone did, and there were more than 30 people (34?). It was a little bit too many for an orderly discussion, but I think some

Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users

2003-01-08 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:54, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:21, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 06:18:26PM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: Naturally, I was disappointed that Stallman did not show up, but still I did not find it disappointed because I got to meet a lot of my Linuxer friends whom I do not get to

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. No sir, I didn't do much except give my opinion once in a while. I do that quite easily, I have many of them.

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. Hmm, let's see. Miss ~two hours of lectures and gain 1 hour private time with RMS. Besides, I've said before I'm looking to share the long drive

Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users

2003-01-08 Thread Amit Margalit
Hi Eliran, Can you tell me what the 'VPN server' is? Probably something like matav.inter.net.il or something? I'll add this to the cable-modem mini-howto. Amit On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I'm using the default dialer that comes with Windows. As I've already said, all

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about RMS Dinner: ... He told me that he always plans his trips to have 24 hours spare before his scheduled appearance. This was the first time he had about 20 hours or so, and just about everything that could go wrong did. He came to the dinner

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 04:24:04PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Come to the event in Haifa tomorrow (today) (if you registered in advance), should be much more technical and less

Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users

2003-01-08 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:55, Amit Margalit wrote: Hi Eliran, Can you tell me what the 'VPN server' is? Probably something like matav.inter.net.il or something? I'll add this to the cable-modem mini-howto. Amit Do you mind if I answer instead? VPN server is a server you run PPTP

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Arik Baratz
Nadav Har'El wrote: Re: RMS Dinner [snip] Oleg (and Muli, and whoever was in charge of organizing this dinner) - thanks! Hear hear. [snip] With all due respect, Stallman is not our equal, he's our mentor/idol/hero. We all knew him but he knew (almost) none of us. A little more humility was

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least

RE: Strange cout behaviour

2003-01-08 Thread guy keren
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote: It doesn't matter __FILE__ : when I change it to Hello, World it doesn't print on speedy machine and print on slow machine! Something with time slice? someone said here something about the some shells 'eating' out the last printed line, if it has

Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users

2003-01-08 Thread guy keren
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:55, Amit Margalit wrote: Can you tell me what the 'VPN server' is? Probably something like matav.inter.net.il or something? I'll add this to the cable-modem mini-howto. Do you mind if I answer instead? VPN

Cable-Modem Mini-Howto - please help fill in more details

2003-01-08 Thread Amit Margalit
Hi, Yup. I should have asked for the VPN server's name. So here goes - can anyone help find the local-loop names for the various VPN servers in Matav / Tevel / AZTV for each ISP? Thanks, Amit On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, guy keren wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No sir, I didn't do much except give my opinion once in a while. I do I think you are being overly modest, my friend. And that's not counting holding the defensive position against over 30 enraged free software enthusiasts waiting for RMS to appear. For

Re: IBM lecture(s) rant

2003-01-08 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Muli Ben-Yehuda, from the post of Thu, 09 Jan: I'm going to give a talk on kernel hacking (your kernel just oopsed. What do you do? what do you do?) at the bi weekly Haifux meeting on Monday, Jan 20th. All that want to drop by are most welcome, and we'll be going out for Sushi