RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates
Everybody who was planning to attend today's dinner with RMS, please read: RMS's flight from the US to Europe was delayed yesterday, and he missed his flight to Israel and got stuck in Paris. According to the information we have now he is landing at Ben-Gurion today around 4:30 PM. It is not clear whether he will be up to a dinner with all the crowd just 3 hours after that. I suppose we will not know until he lands. If you are willing to take the chance that he will be there, try to get one of us by cell phone after 5:30PM - we cannot expect any info before that time: Muli: 053-765343 Oleg: 054-706465 for updates. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
scsi tape
hi i have a idat400 hp scsi tape. the kernel Identifies it, and i have /dev/*st0* char devices. but whenever i access the tape via tar or mt, i get - no such file or directory. i didn't use scsi tapes in linux for about 5 years, and i was amazed that the scsi tape is a char device and not a block device, but /proc/devices recognized 9 st char devices and no st block device, the st man page also claims that it is a block device. anyone has experiance with scsi tapes and can help ? cheers, erez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine, crossover office bidi
If people are having BiDi problems with the WineHQ code, it should probably fall under my responsibility. I would appretiate, regardless of the above, a copy of the bug list. Shachar Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote: Hi people, During the last few days of people using crossover office, I recieved a couple of bug reports regarding crossover/wine and Bidi problems. I have written an email to Jeremy White (CEO of CodeWeavers) about it and here's his answer. Of course - all their work on bidi stuff is going back into the WineHQ tree, so everyone will benefit from it.. Comments? Thanks, Hetz -- Forwarded Message --- From: Jeremy White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 Jan 2003 17:07:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Problems with Powerpoint If you install Office 2k with LANG set to Hebrew, then it installs it's own bidi stuff which works ok, but when it comes to english/hebrew mixing (happends also wih arabic and farsi, but their all using the same bidi algorithms) it gets confused (when editing, not viewing).. Hmm. I would really like to get this working, Hetz. If, for no other reason than you have been very patient (and very persistent, but I admire that grin). Can you give me a sense of the scope of the opportunity and the potential deal? Do you think that a few Univerisites (or companies) could commit to a volume deal in exchange for us making this work? We're stretched really thin right now, and it'd be hard to ask someone to look into this without some sense of the potential return. Cheers, Jer --- End of Forwarded Message --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I've forgotten to add that my cable provider is Matav. And as far as I know, Bezeq International @ Matav doesn't require pptp - just plain DHCP connection. Any HOW-TO for Internet Zahav ? ;-) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scsi tape
Quoth Erez Doron: but whenever i access the tape via tar or mt, i get - no such file or directory. Do you have st driver compiled in. -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
logging on to novelle network
Is there a way to logon and share disks with a novelle network? is SAMBA the client for this? thanx = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: logging on to novelle network
Shai Bentin wrote: Is there a way to logon and share disks with a novelle network? is SAMBA the client for this? thanx = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's something called NCP, but I don't know the details. In any case, samba is not your solution. Sh. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scsi tape
Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Quoth Erez Doron: but whenever i access the tape via tar or mt, i get - no such file or directory. Do you have st driver compiled in. /var/log/messeges: scsi2 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.5 Adaptec 2940 Ultra SCSI adapter aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs Vendor: HPModel: C5683ARev: C104 Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 st: Version 20020205, bufsize 32768, wrt 30720, max init. bufs 4, s/g segs 16 Attached scsi tape st0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 scsi : 2 hosts left. when i access /dev/st0, it automatically loads the st driver. ... but still i get : root]# mt -f /dev/st0 rewind /dev/st0: No such device = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scsi tape
Quoth Erez Doron: Attached scsi tape st0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 yes, seems you do have it. when i access /dev/st0, it automatically loads the st driver. ... but still i get : root]# mt -f /dev/st0 rewind /dev/st0: No such device can you send out lsmod, /proc/scsi/scsi, etc. this is peculiar. -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scsi tape
Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Quoth Erez Doron: Attached scsi tape st0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 3, lun 0 yes, seems you do have it. when i access /dev/st0, it automatically loads the st driver. ... but still i get : root]# mt -f /dev/st0 rewind /dev/st0: No such device can you send out lsmod, /proc/scsi/scsi, etc. this is peculiar. root]# lsmod Module Size Used byNot tainted st 29108 0 (autoclean) ftape 124840 0 (autoclean) (unused) loop 11024 0 (autoclean) ppp_deflate 4032 2 (autoclean) zlib_deflate 21344 0 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate] ppp_async 8256 1 (autoclean) ppp_generic24108 3 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate ppp_async] slhc6508 1 (autoclean) [ppp_generic] soundcore 6692 0 (autoclean) eepro100 20336 1 ide-scsi9664 0 ide-cd 30272 0 cdrom 32192 0 [ide-cd] lvm-mod65184 5 raid5 19520 1 (autoclean) xor 7428 0 (autoclean) [raid5] usb-uhci 24484 0 (unused) usbcore73152 1 [usb-uhci] ext3 67136 4 jbd49400 4 [ext3] FastTrak 96996 4 sd_mod 12864 8 scsi_mod 108576 4 [st ide-scsi FastTrak sd_mod] root]# cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: Promise Model: 1X2 Mirror/RAID1 Rev: 1.10 Type: Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates
Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: According to the information we have now he is landing at Ben-Gurion today around 4:30 PM. It is not clear whether he will be up to a dinner with all the crowd just 3 hours after that. I suppose we will not know until he lands. I say that RMS or not, an IGLU dinner is long time overdue and we should be there anyway, since the table was reserved and people notified bosses, and several others may get there wiout having read their mail. I'll be there, RMS or not. I sat at the confference today and took some notes. I'll have to edit it up a bit and I'll post them in a few minutes. -- Disillusioned cat owner Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg24675/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates
Last we have heard, the dinner is on, probably 19:30 or so. Feel free to verify by pgone after 17:30 - see below. Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody who was planning to attend today's dinner with RMS, please read: RMS's flight from the US to Europe was delayed yesterday, and he missed his flight to Israel and got stuck in Paris. According to the information we have now he is landing at Ben-Gurion today around 4:30 PM. It is not clear whether he will be up to a dinner with all the crowd just 3 hours after that. I suppose we will not know until he lands. If you are willing to take the chance that he will be there, try to get one of us by cell phone after 5:30PM - we cannot expect any info before that time: Muli: 053-765343 Oleg: 054-706465 for updates. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scsi tape
Quoth Erez Doron: st 29108 0 (autoclean) ftape 124840 0 (autoclean) (unused) ide-scsi9664 0 ide-cd 30272 0 cdrom 32192 0 [ide-cd] FastTrak 96996 4 scsi_mod 108576 4 [st ide-scsi FastTrak sd_mod] First, there is a whole mixture of stuff here. Are you using st or ftape? I assume st. root]# cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: Promise Model: 1X2 Mirror/RAID1 Rev: 1.10 Type: Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 and here is a problem - where is the tape? This is the disk. no tape here. -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scsi tape
well, i just see it now - they connected a tape to a raid controller . thanks erez. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Quoth Erez Doron: st 29108 0 (autoclean) ftape 124840 0 (autoclean) (unused) ide-scsi9664 0 ide-cd 30272 0 cdrom 32192 0 [ide-cd] FastTrak 96996 4 scsi_mod 108576 4 [st ide-scsi FastTrak sd_mod] First, there is a whole mixture of stuff here. Are you using st or ftape? I assume st. root]# cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: Promise Model: 1X2 Mirror/RAID1 Rev: 1.10 Type: Direct-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02 and here is a problem - where is the tape? This is the disk. no tape here. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates
Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I say that RMS or not, an IGLU dinner is long time overdue and we should be there anyway, since the table was reserved and people notified bosses, and several others may get there wiout having read their mail. I'll be there, RMS or not. I agree, and I sure hope RMS will be there. So far I am slated to pick him up at his hotel for the dinner. The information I keep posting is not obtained directly, i.e. someone who has talked to RMS says the dinner is confirmed, so standard disclaimers apply. Last time I myself heard from RMS was yesterday night when he informed me of the delay. He did not ask to cancel the dinner. I sat at the confference today and took some notes. I'll have to edit it up a bit and I'll post them in a few minutes. Cool, thanks! -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS's flight is delayed, standby for updates
Which reminds me - anyone who is arriving tommorow needs a car pool to Haifa? I'm arriving by car, and I would love to have company. Unfortunetly, my offer is only one way. I do not return to the center right after its over, so anyone relying on me would have to find other accomodations for the way back. Shachar Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Last we have heard, the dinner is on, probably 19:30 or so. Feel free to verify by pgone after 17:30 - see below. Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody who was planning to attend today's dinner with RMS, please read: RMS's flight from the US to Europe was delayed yesterday, and he missed his flight to Israel and got stuck in Paris. According to the information we have now he is landing at Ben-Gurion today around 4:30 PM. It is not clear whether he will be up to a dinner with all the crowd just 3 hours after that. I suppose we will not know until he lands. If you are willing to take the chance that he will be there, try to get one of us by cell phone after 5:30PM - we cannot expect any info before that time: Muli: 053-765343 Oleg: 054-706465 for updates. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange cout behaviour
what does g++ -E say ? Boulgakov Andrei wrote: Hi! I compile and run small application on 2 RH8 gcc3.2 stations and get different behavior of cout: = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IBM lecture(s) rant
I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Some specific notes: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: His argument was that if Linux is good, it should compete and win based on that, and not on a law. This is all well and nice for private organizations and people, but for the government, one of the *features* of Linux and OSS is their openness and auditability. Therefore, the law is doing just what he suggests should be done - the best OS is being chosen based on its features, where features is not restricted to technical superiority. Basically, for the government, the openness of Linux is just as important as the technical advantages are, if not more so. Especially disappointing was Moshe Bar's lecture. I've only heard about him until now, but since he teaches the OS design class in TAU (which I'm going to have to take for my degree), I assumed he's more knowledgeable that that. Of course, it could also be that I'm the ignorant and uninformed one, in which case, I'm sure you folks will be happy to put me in place :-) 2. Nobody is making money from selling Free software? This may be true per se, but it's a very bad statement. There are many companies who are making money *developing* Free software, so who cares if they're not *selling* it to make the money? The important thing is that valid business plans of the type: 1. Develop Free software. 2. ??? 3. Profit. do exist, by replacing the question marks with something reasonable. Examples? I was going to say RedHat and Trolltech, but since Moshe already replied about RedHat, I'll put up Trolltech as an example. Theirs is the most viable business model I have seen so far for developing Free/Open source software. For those who don't know, Trolltech give away Qt under the GPL (and the QPL), but also sell it to under a different license you if you want to avoid the viral nature of the GPL and make your own changes without having to release them. 3. Linux is Open Source? FreeBSD is Free Software? Am I missing something here? Last I checked, Linux was GPL and FreeBSD was BSD, making Linux Free Software and FreeBSD OSS. I would've believed it was an honest mistake, unless he repeated it (in various forms) so many times. The Zend guy seemed much more proficient regarding the GPL/LGPL/BSD than Moshe Bar... 4. OpenOffice a fork from last available open version of StarOffice? I'm not 100% sure that it's not true, but AFAIK more than half of the people working on OO are Sun's people. From what I understand, StarOffice is just OpenOffice with various useful add-ons... Am I wrong? 5. The Theodore Ts'o lecture was of course much better, but too business oriented for me. I would've preferred to hear about Linux kernel development, relationships between the main developers, perhaps his stand on the BitKeeper issue, etc. Not his fault of course... this is what he's been asked to talk about by IBM. Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange cout behaviour
Boulgakov Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi!
I compile and run small application on 2 RH8 gcc3.2 stations and get
different behavior of cout:
On Celeron 1000 Mhz I don't get out line without endl at the end(#6, output is
5 only),
On PII(I?) 650 Mhz I get all lines(output 5\nfilename).
What can be the cause?
1. #include iostream
2. using namespace std;
3. int main()
4. {
5. cout __LINE__ endl;
6. cout __FILE__;
7. return 0;
8. }
Boulgakov Andrei
What's your prompt? Shell? Some shells (notably ksh) will overwrite
your filename with the prompt. Bash normally doesn't.
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Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Some specific notes: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: His argument was that if Linux is good, it should compete and win based on that, and not on a law. This is all well and nice for private organizations and people, but for the government, one of the *features* of Linux and OSS is their openness and auditability. Therefore, the law is doing just what he suggests should be done - the best OS is being chosen based on its features, where features is not restricted to technical superiority. Basically, for the government, the openness of Linux is just as important as the technical advantages are, if not more so. Especially disappointing was Moshe Bar's lecture. I've only heard about him until now, but since he teaches the OS design class in TAU (which I'm going to have to take for my degree), I assumed he's more knowledgeable that that. Of course, it could also be that I'm the ignorant and uninformed one, in which case, I'm sure you folks will be happy to put me in place :-) be careful ! he is watching you... ;) 2. Nobody is making money from selling Free software? This may be true per se, but it's a very bad statement. There are many companies who are making money *developing* Free software, so who cares if they're not *selling* it to make the money? The important thing is that valid business plans of the type: 1. Develop Free software. 2. ??? 3. Profit. do exist, by replacing the question marks with something reasonable. Examples? I was going to say RedHat and Trolltech, but since Moshe already replied about RedHat, I'll put up Trolltech as an example. Theirs is the most viable business model I have seen so far for developing Free/Open source software. For those who don't know, Trolltech give away Qt under the GPL (and the QPL), but also sell it to under a different license you if you want to avoid the viral nature of the GPL and make your own changes without having to release them. 3. Linux is Open Source? FreeBSD is Free Software? Am I missing something here? Last I checked, Linux was GPL and FreeBSD was BSD, making Linux Free Software and FreeBSD OSS. I would've believed it was an honest mistake, unless he repeated it (in various forms) so many times. The Zend guy seemed much more proficient regarding the GPL/LGPL/BSD than Moshe Bar... 4. OpenOffice a fork from last available open version of StarOffice? I'm not 100% sure that it's not true, but AFAIK more than half of the people working on OO are Sun's people. From what I understand, StarOffice is just OpenOffice with various useful add-ons... Am I wrong? 5. The Theodore Ts'o lecture was of course much better, but too business oriented for me. I would've preferred to hear about Linux kernel development, relationships between the main developers, perhaps his stand on the BitKeeper issue, etc. Not his fault of course... this is what he's been asked to talk about by IBM. Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 12:09, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I've forgotten to add that my cable provider is Matav. And as far as I know, Bezeq International @ Matav doesn't require pptp - just plain DHCP connection. Any HOW-TO for Internet Zahav ? ;-) I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their site has links to all the providers' sites providing appropriate instructions. If the provider makes you download some dialer program, then it works with PPTP and the HOWTO applies. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
Quoting Alexander Maryanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: His argument was that if Linux is good, it should compete and win based on that, and not on a law. This is all well and nice for private organizations and people, but for the government, one of the *features* of Linux and OSS is their openness and auditability. Therefore it can be argued that the government should require software to be auditable by some means, but not to force Linux specifically, or even free software in general. For example, assume that MSFT gives the government a peek at their source code, subject to NDA and a license written by the same lawyers who write soul-selling contracts for Satan. From the point of view of free software, this is bad. From the point of view of open source, still bad. But the government is still able to audit the code and see whether or not it has any backdoors and vulnerabilities. 2. Nobody is making money from selling Free software? This may be true per se, but it's a very bad statement. There are many companies who are making money *developing* Free software, so who cares if they're not *selling* it to make the money? The important thing is that valid business plans of the type: 1. Develop Free software. 2. ??? 3. Profit. That's advocacy. The point he was trying to make is that, although the GPL does not prevent people from making money on selling free software, real life seems to do, because nobody is a fryer. Point being that if you go for free software, you have to find another way to make your money: the software cannot be the product you sell. Even your example of Trolltech is not good enough. Basically, if they make money from allowing people to close their software, then they are an Open Source company, not a Free Software company. QED. 3. Linux is Open Source? FreeBSD is Free Software? Am I missing something here? Last I checked, Linux was GPL and FreeBSD was BSD, making Linux Free Software and FreeBSD OSS. Yes, he had several goofs. The StarOffice example below is another one. The Zend guy seemed much more proficient regarding the GPL/LGPL/BSD than Moshe Bar... I didn't attend that lecture. I guess he was proficient because PHP is licensed under a QPL derivative, or was last time I checked. Read its license, you have to be aware of the differences to choose such a license. 4. OpenOffice a fork from last available open version of StarOffice? I'm not 100% sure that it's not true, but AFAIK more than half of the people working on OO are Sun's people. From what I understand, StarOffice is just OpenOffice with various useful add-ons... Am I wrong? I thought the same. As far as I understand, he is not aware that new versions of Star Office are supposed to be based on OpenOffice, with proprietary extensions. His description fits SO 5.2, not later versions. You forgot the biggest disappointment of all: RMS not showing up. If it wasn't for the promise of his presence, I would not have bothered - I heard nothing new today that was relevant to me, except perhaps the Eclipse sales pitch... Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scsi tape
Erez Doron wrote: hi i have a idat400 hp scsi tape. the kernel Identifies it, and i have /dev/*st0* char devices. but whenever i access the tape via tar or mt, i get - no such file or directory. i didn't use scsi tapes in linux for about 5 years, and i was amazed that the scsi tape is a char device and not a block device, but /proc/devices recognized 9 st char devices and no st block device, the st man page also claims that it is a block device. anyone has experiance with scsi tapes and can help ? cheers, erez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! I just replaced my grotty old ADR 30 IDE tape drive (which never worked at all under Linux, with or without SCSI emulation), with an ADR 50 SCSI unit. (The ADR30 died and I did a warranty fiddle.) The key to get it working was to replace my old Symbios 50 pin SCSI adapter with an Adaptec UW2940 card - a bit expensive, but it works fine. Beyond this, I didn't do nuffin'. Dear old SuSE picked up the adapter as new hardware and loaded the relevant module. /dev/st0 and /dev/nst0 are available as expected. I checked it out with the supplied TapeWare package and commandline BRU (which I prefer). I wonder if your problem is also an adapter thing? Regards, Daniel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Some specific notes: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: His argument was that if Linux is good, it should compete and win based on that, and not on a law. This is all well and nice for private organizations and people, but for the government, one of the *features* of Linux and OSS is their openness and auditability. Therefore, the law is doing just what he suggests should be done - the best OS is being chosen based on its features, where features is not restricted to technical superiority. Basically, for the government, the openness of Linux is just as important as the technical advantages are, if not more so. I agree that this is gray area as far as Morality is concerned. However, there are software houses making money off selling proprietary software, and are fully supportive of their customers and listen to their needs, give good QA, may license the source under some terms, etc. I don't think there is need to reject proprietary software without terms, regardless of it. Let's suppose there's an Oracle database powering an Israeli government web-site. Now the interface to the web-site (what the surfers see) is fully compliant with all browsers. Is there any reason they should be forced to switch to MySQL, PostgreSQL, InterBase, SAP-DB or whatever? What if Oracle is willing to let government hackers verify the Oracle code if they pay a certain amount of money? Even with open-source programs there is the problem of Ken Thompson's Reflections of Trusting Trust. Especially disappointing was Moshe Bar's lecture. I've only heard about him until now, but since he teaches the OS design class in TAU (which I'm going to have to take for my degree), I assumed he's more knowledgeable that that. Of course, it could also be that I'm the ignorant and uninformed one, in which case, I'm sure you folks will be happy to put me in place :-) I was quite disappointed as well. He confused everything. 2. Nobody is making money from selling Free software? This may be true per se, but it's a very bad statement. There are many companies who are making money *developing* Free software, so who cares if they're not *selling* it to make the money? The important thing is that valid business plans of the type: 1. Develop Free software. 2. ??? 3. Profit. do exist, by replacing the question marks with something reasonable. Examples? I was going to say RedHat and Trolltech, but since Moshe already replied about RedHat, I'll put up Trolltech as an example. Theirs is the most viable business model I have seen so far for developing Free/Open source software. For those who don't know, Trolltech give away Qt under the GPL (and the QPL), but also sell it to under a different license you if you want to avoid the viral nature of the GPL and make your own changes without having to release them. He was correct in this case. You cannot build a software model by developing an open-source product, and expecting to make a lot of money by sell it. With the Internet, high-bandwidth, etc. it is simply not going to work. But there are other models beside sale-value. For instance, digital creations developed Zope distributed it as free software, and made a lot of money from setting out Zope-based sites. Check ESR's Magic Cauldron for more examples. Or the Apache guys are now very popular consultants, because they know Apache in and out. He did not say it was impossible to profit from free software. But you cannot expect a fortune from actually selling it. What Linus Torvalds got out of starting Linux, is a lot of prestige and experience, and an income for life because companies will fight for employing him. (partially because it gives them prestige) 3. Linux is Open Source? FreeBSD is Free Software? Am I missing something here? Last I checked, Linux was GPL and FreeBSD was BSD, making Linux Free Software and FreeBSD OSS. I would've believed it was an honest mistake, unless he repeated it (in various forms) so many times. The Zend guy seemed much more proficient regarding the GPL/LGPL/BSD than Moshe Bar... Both Linux and FreeBSD are both open-source and free software. Some open-source licenses are not free software. Both terms roughly mean the same thing, but have different crontations. Some people (notably RMS) refrain from using open-source entirely. The Open Source Initiative guys seem to think free software is a bad word for describing what you went and prefer open-source. I, and many others, use both terms where we find appropriate. Then there's this OSS/FS (Open Source Software/Free Software) thingy that is crawling up. Most of the software out there is free software. Moreover, not every perfectly free software is compatible with the GPL.
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
Therefore it can be argued that the government should require software to be auditable by some means, but not to force Linux specifically, or even free software in general. For example, assume that MSFT gives the government a peek at their source code, subject to NDA and a license written by the same lawyers who write soul-selling contracts for Satan. The software used by the government needs to be auditable by the people, as well as by the government itself. What if MSFT sells the government a ballot counting system which is broken in a manner allowing the party currently in power to win - what incentive does the (current) government have to complain about it? That's advocacy. The point he was trying to make is that, although the GPL does not prevent people from making money on selling free software, real life seems to do, because nobody is a fryer. Point being that if you go for free software, you have to find another way to make your money: the software cannot be the product you sell. Again, I agree that his statement may be true per se (or at least hasn't been disproved so far), but it's a bad statement, in the sense that it's confusing. To (business) people that are new to free/open source software this immediately translates to You can't make money by developing free/open source software. Unless you are very careful and explain in detail what exactly you mean by your statement, it will only hurt free/open source software, instead of making people more informed about it. Even your example of Trolltech is not good enough. Basically, if they make money from allowing people to close their software, then they are an Open Source company, not a Free Software company. QED. Well, this is just playing with definitions... I'm not sure what you would define as an open source company and what as a free software company. The point is the same - you can develop Free (GPL licensed) software and make money on it. Heck - IBM are doing just that - isn't that's what this whole event was about? :-) You forgot the biggest disappointment of all: RMS not showing up. If it wasn't for the promise of his presence, I would not have bothered - I heard nothing new today that was relevant to me, except perhaps the Eclipse sales pitch... Agreed. Me probably neither... I've already heard the Eclipse sales pitch at a different occasion :-) Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:24:04 +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. Linux is Open Source? FreeBSD is Free Software? Am I missing something here? Last I checked, Linux was GPL and FreeBSD was BSD, making Linux Free Software and FreeBSD OSS. I would've believed it was an honest mistake, A. Every GPLed software is automatically open source. B. FreeBSD is released under the modified BSD license URL: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html The GNU licenses list - Various Licenses and Comments about Them URL: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html says: The modified BSD license This is the original BSD license, modified by removal of the advertising clause. It is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL. ^ i.e. FreeBSD, PHP any many other open source are also free software by GNU (and RMS) definition. They are not COPYLEFT (they can be closed and lacks the viral nature). 5. The Theodore Ts'o lecture was of course much better, but too business oriented for me. I would've preferred to hear about Linux kernel development, relationships between the main developers, perhaps his stand on the BitKeeper issue, etc. Not his fault of course... this is what he's been asked to talk about by IBM. He said that most of his time now goes to administrative tasks. Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)
Hi, I don't have much experience or knowledge of this issue, so I'm asking here... Those new IDE hard drives that are sold today (40GB and up) with 7200 RPMS are getting hot, as everyone knows (or felt).. So my question is - when a fan is needed, and what sort of fan? I've seen those 3-fans that takes a 5.25 tray (where you can stick a CDROM drive) but I don't know how much they're usefull (from my experience - they're not).. Same question about 2 100GB drives - how many fans and which ones? All drives are IDE, 7200 RPM speed.. Suggestions? Thanks, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine, crossover office bidi
Shachar Shemesh wrote: If people are having BiDi problems with the WineHQ code, it should probably fall under my responsibility. I would appretiate, regardless of the above, a copy of the bug list. Shachar Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote: Hi people, During the last few days of people using crossover office, I recieved a couple of bug reports regarding crossover/wine and Bidi problems. I have written an email to Jeremy White (CEO of CodeWeavers) about it and here's his answer. Of course - all their work on bidi stuff is going back into the WineHQ tree, so everyone will benefit from it.. Comments? Thanks, Hetz -- Forwarded Message --- From: Jeremy White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 Jan 2003 17:07:50 -0600 Subject: Re: Problems with Powerpoint If you install Office 2k with LANG set to Hebrew, then it installs it's own bidi stuff which works ok, but when it comes to english/hebrew mixing (happends also wih arabic and farsi, but their all using the same bidi algorithms) it gets confused (when editing, not viewing).. Hmm. I would really like to get this working, Hetz. If, for no other reason than you have been very patient (and very persistent, but I admire that grin). Can you give me a sense of the scope of the opportunity and the potential deal? Do you think that a few Univerisites (or companies) could commit to a volume deal in exchange for us making this work? We're stretched really thin right now, and it'd be hard to ask someone to look into this without some sense of the potential return. Cheers, Jer --- End of Forwarded Message --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Word: As near as I can figure out, when you switch language (E-) Word does not show you the change, nor does it reverse the cursor shape as it does under native Windows. However, it functions correctly. By the way, I installed the Language Pack from office, because I prefer English dialogues and messages. (Hebrew popup messages always come out with the wrong encoding - ???'s) Explorer: Works, but sometimes grabs 97%+ of CPU time. Cure: kill -9 pid. Excell: I loaded a Hebrew spread sheet. It reversed everything. Subsequent reloading under Windows had all Hebrew strings reversed. It may be due to my use of the Language Pack. I don't know. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine, crossover office bidi
Daniel Feiglin wrote: Word: As near as I can figure out, when you switch language (E-) Word does not show you the change, nor does it reverse the cursor shape as it does under native Windows. However, it functions correctly. That is a known problem, and is, in fact, covered by BUG #609 (http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609) (well, actually it isn't, but I'll enter it). Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
updating apache Q.
Hi If I'm updating apache httpd server (on RH6.2) from 1.3.12 to 1.3.27, do I need to change anything in the httpd.conf file ? Do I actually need to do anything besides rpm -U apache-1.3.27.rpm ? Thanks, Ishai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
Quoting Alexander Maryanovsky, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: 1. The Ila guy seemed to misunderstand the whole use Linux in govt. proposition. This has been discussed a lot, but worth repeating: His argument was that if Linux is good, it should compete and win based on that, and not on a law. This is all well and nice for private organizations and people, but for the government, one of the *features* of Linux and OSS is their openness and auditability. DO keep in mind that forcing one family of products over another is against the freedom of choice and locks out good software from good vendors that does not always have usable or scalable OSS alternatives. FREEDOM OF CHOICE, is a basic right demanded by Free Software proponents. it's quite rediculous to demand people to choose it. what you SHOULD demand by law are open STANDARDS of data exchange and retrieval, be it database access or document formats. if the government office offers a free Email service on MAPI instead of POP3, or more likely - publishes info on an MSIE-only website, it's a problem. if they serve good HTML from IIS I could not care less, since it doesn't hurt MY freedom of chioce as a civilian, how to get the information and use it, as long as I can get and interpret it. Especially disappointing was Moshe Bar's lecture. I've only heard about him until now, but since he teaches the OS design class in TAU (which I'm going to have to take for my degree), I assumed he's more knowledgeable that that. Of course, it could also be that I'm the ignorant and uninformed one, in which case, I'm sure you folks will be happy to put me in place :-) in my summery I tried to go very light on him, but he did have some extremely odd major mistakes. all who listened in my row agreed it fealt like the guy is totally in a fog as to what the movements and ideals of the group are. MB, here's some homework: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html 2. Nobody is making money from selling Free software? This may be true per se, but it's a very bad statement. There are many companies who are making money *developing* Free software, so who cares if they're and proof was Zend and a few others. I agree they don't make their bread ONLY from OSS. Red Hat are not in the black AFAIK either. it WAS a problematic statement, and dangerously inclusive. Trolltech may indeed be the only example I can think of now. 3. Linux is Open Source? FreeBSD is Free Software? Am I missing something here? Last I checked, Linux was GPL and FreeBSD was BSD, making Linux Free Software and FreeBSD OSS. I would've believed it was an honest mistake, unless he repeated it (in various forms) so many times. The Zend guy seemed much more proficient regarding the GPL/LGPL/BSD than Moshe Bar... there I agree is a complete salad. MB repeated several times sentences that refer to OS and FS as two parallel non-overlapping things, and that's rediculous. see the nice graph at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html 4. OpenOffice a fork from last available open version of StarOffice? I'm not 100% sure that it's not true, but AFAIK more than half of the people working on OO are Sun's people. From what I understand, StarOffice is just OpenOffice with various useful add-ons... Am I wrong? you're not. openoffice.org IS a project supported and funded by sun. they are the copyright holders and they use that fact to publish the closed Star Office. same as Netscape's relation to the Mozilla project. 5. The Theodore Ts'o lecture was of course much better, but too business oriented for me. I would've preferred to hear about Linux kernel development, relationships between the main developers, perhaps his stand on the BitKeeper issue, etc. Not his fault of course... this is what he's been asked to talk about by IBM. they payed the trip, hotel and salary, come on :) but that was the reason for the QA at the end, and I think that he would have been happier to be bugged at lunch time by questions about the kernel rather than about Gimp. it was pathetic :( Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. Ira (aka seriously? he's NOT a russian girl?) Abramov -- Keep refrigerated after opening Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg24695/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)
On 08/01/2003 17:51, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, I don't have much experience or knowledge of this issue, so I'm asking here... Those new IDE hard drives that are sold today (40GB and up) with 7200 RPMS are getting hot, as everyone knows (or felt).. So my question is - when a fan is needed, and what sort of fan? I've seen those 3-fans that takes a 5.25 tray (where you can stick a CDROM drive) but I don't know how much they're usefull (from my experience - they're not).. Same question about 2 100GB drives - how many fans and which ones? All drives are IDE, 7200 RPM speed.. On my PC I have a fan that screws on top of the HDD - it works well and not too loud. However, in normal midi-tower you can only have one HDD with it - because it's too large to get in the normal HDD box, so you need to install t it under all the other HDDs. You can also buy a good case with space for a fan for each HDD. I bought Chieftec DRAGON FULL TOWER case for one of my servers and there you have special space for a fan, for each of the HDDs. Sagi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: Naturally, I was disappointed that Stallman did not show up, but still I did not find it disappointed because I got to meet a lot of my Linuxer friends whom I do not get to meet very often (IRL, that is). yeah, I fealt anxious by the number of familiar faces I saw and didn't have time to give for each person. sorry if it fealt like I dissed anyone, but when 3-4 people are around me, someone is bound to feel ignored.. that's why I miss the linux dinners. that's why I said we should have the dinner tonight with or withour RMS. and let's have more of them, 6 or more a year... they are always fun but we never organize another one until hell freezes over (or some bigshot comes to visit :) -- The last son of Krypton Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg24697/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Ride from Northern Tel-Aviv to the Restaurant
Is anybody here going to drive from somewhere passing Norther Tel-Aviv (the Ayalon, Derekh Haifa or whatever) and can give me a lift? I live in Ramat-Aviv Gimel and can easily walk a bit to get a ride. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: According to the information we have now he is landing at Ben-Gurion today around 4:30 PM. It is not clear whether he will be up to a dinner with all the crowd just 3 hours after that. I suppose we will not know until he lands. I say that RMS or not, an IGLU dinner is long time overdue and we should be there anyway, since the table was reserved and people notified bosses, and several others may get there wiout having read their mail. I'll be there, RMS or not. I sat at the confference today and took some notes. I'll have to edit it up a bit and I'll post them in a few minutes. -- Disillusioned cat owner Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's suppose you have a table with 2^n cups... Wait a second - is n a natural number? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange cout behaviour
On 8 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Boulgakov Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi!
I compile and run small application on 2 RH8 gcc3.2 stations and get
different behavior of cout:
On Celeron 1000 Mhz I don't get out line without endl at the end(#6, output is
5 only),
On PII(I?) 650 Mhz I get all lines(output 5\nfilename).
What can be the cause?
1. #include iostream
2. using namespace std;
3. int main()
4. {
5. cout __LINE__ endl;
6. cout __FILE__;
7. return 0;
8. }
Boulgakov Andrei
What's your prompt? Shell? Some shells (notably ksh) will overwrite
your filename with the prompt. Bash normally doesn't.
It may on some Mandrake configurations. zsh as well does that.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Re: updating apache Q.
Ishai Parasol wrote: Hi If I'm updating apache httpd server (on RH6.2) from 1.3.12 to 1.3.27, do I need to change anything in the httpd.conf file ? Do I actually need to do anything besides rpm -U apache-1.3.27.rpm ? Thanks, Ishai. After upgrading you'll get a httpd.conf.rpmnew file (your original httpd.conf file will not be touched). Run a diff on these and see what changes should be made. My bet is you'll be able to use your old httpd.conf without any problems. Cheers, Henry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
Ira Abramov wrote: Red Hat are not in the black AFAIK either. Actually, they are: http://www.commweb.com/article/IWK20021217S0007 Cheers, Henry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)
There is a special cooling devices for HDD's. Check this one: http://www.pandas.co.il/product_info.php?cPath=55_330products_id=1566 - Original Message - From: Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux-IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 5:51 PM Subject: Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic) Hi, I don't have much experience or knowledge of this issue, so I'm asking here... Those new IDE hard drives that are sold today (40GB and up) with 7200 RPMS are getting hot, as everyone knows (or felt).. So my question is - when a fan is needed, and what sort of fan? I've seen those 3-fans that takes a 5.25 tray (where you can stick a CDROM drive) but I don't know how much they're usefull (from my experience - they're not).. Same question about 2 100GB drives - how many fans and which ones? All drives are IDE, 7200 RPM speed.. Suggestions? Thanks, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 05:51:09PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, I don't have much experience or knowledge of this issue, so I'm asking here... Those new IDE hard drives that are sold today (40GB and up) with 7200 RPMS are getting hot, as everyone knows (or felt).. So my question is - when a fan is needed, and what sort of fan? I've seen those 3-fans that takes a 5.25 tray (where you can stick a CDROM drive) but I don't know how much they're usefull (from my experience - they're not).. Same question about 2 100GB drives - how many fans and which ones? All drives are IDE, 7200 RPM speed.. Doesn't that get mentioned in the cooling section of the users manual? I have no experience with these matters either. Suggestions? Thanks, Hetz -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Strange cout behaviour
Title: RE: Strange cout behaviour
It doesn't matter __FILE__ : when I change it to Hello, World it doesn't print on speedy machine and print on slow machine! Something with time slice?
g++ -E say in both cases the same:
./aaa: line 37: namespace: command not found
./aaa: line 39: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
./aaa: line 39: ` templateclass _CharT'
-Original Message-
From: Shlomi Fish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:24 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Cc: Boulgakov Andrei
Subject: Re: Strange cout behaviour
On 8 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Boulgakov Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi!
I compile and run small application on 2 RH8 gcc3.2
stations and get
different behavior of cout:
On Celeron 1000 Mhz I don't get out line without endl at
the end(#6, output is
5 only),
On PII(I?) 650 Mhz I get all lines(output 5\nfilename).
What can be the cause?
1. #include iostream
2. using namespace std;
3. int main()
4. {
5. cout __LINE__ endl;
6. cout __FILE__;
7. return 0;
8. }
Boulgakov Andrei
What's your prompt? Shell? Some shells (notably ksh) will overwrite
your filename with the prompt. Bash normally doesn't.
It may on some Mandrake configurations. zsh as well does that.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
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Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their site has links to all the providers' sites providing appropriate instructions. If the provider makes you download some dialer program, then it works with PPTP and the HOWTO applies. The support team says it doesn't support linux. No details on the web. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 06:24, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Especially disappointing was Moshe Bar's lecture. I've only heard about him until now, but since he teaches the OS design class in TAU (which I'm going to have to take for my degree), I assumed he's more knowledgeable that that. Of course, it could also be that I'm the ignorant and uninformed one, in which case, I'm sure you folks will be happy to put me in place :-) And your assumption of Mr. Bar knowledge was based on... ? How does one decide what his opinion of a supposdly big contributor to Open/Free software one has never met, anyway? based on his Slashdot interview or how he is presented at a lecture? I'm not trolling here, really. I've been bothered by this question ever since my last dealings with said Mr. Bar and I'm really interested in an answer. We can assume that Alan Cox, to pick a name, is probably legit. But, what about me? if I give a lecture at some confence and be introduced as writer of many contributions to the Linux kernel (which is false in my case, btw) - how do you know that I'm not bluffing? Gilad. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fan or no Fan? (a bit off-topic)
On a well-ventilated system with one or two HDDs, you probably don't need extra fans. But just check! All modern HDDs have built-in temperature sensors that are accessible via the SMART interface. Two ways to get the HDD temperature on Linux are 'smartctl -v /dev/hda' (using the 'smartsuite' package) and 'hddtemp'. The former also gives a vendor-specific score based on a formula and firmware. The latter has a nice plugin for 'gkrellm'. Eran On 2003/01/08 17:51, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: I don't have much experience or knowledge of this issue, so I'm asking here... Those new IDE hard drives that are sold today (40GB and up) with 7200 RPMS are getting hot, as everyone knows (or felt).. So my question is - when a fan is needed, and what sort of fan? I've seen those 3-fans that takes a 5.25 tray (where you can stick a CDROM drive) but I don't know how much they're usefull (from my experience - they're not).. Same question about 2 100GB drives - how many fans and which ones? All drives are IDE, 7200 RPM speed.. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:21, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their site has links to all the providers' sites providing appropriate instructions. If the provider makes you download some dialer program, then it works with PPTP and the HOWTO applies. The support team says it doesn't support linux. No details on the web. Try the following link : http://oa.matavtv.net/internetzahav/default.htm. As far as I see, it does require a dialer. All this dialer does, is to add a new connection to Internet Zahav. Install this dialer in Windows, look up the details of the new connection and define a new connection in Linux accordingly. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:21, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their site has links to all the providers' sites providing appropriate instructions. If the provider makes you download some dialer program, then it works with PPTP and the HOWTO applies. The support team says it doesn't support linux. No details on the web. Try the following link : http://oa.matavtv.net/internetzahav/default.htm. As far as I see, it does require a dialer. All this dialer does, is to add a new connection to Internet Zahav. Install this dialer in Windows, look up the details of the new connection and define a new connection in Linux accordingly. I'm using the default dialer that comes with Windows. I have an ethernet card not a USB connection. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RMS Dinner
Well, thanks to everybody who came. I did not count, but someone did, and there were more than 30 people (34?). It was a little bit too many for an orderly discussion, but I think some self-organization took place somewhere in the middle of the evening, and I hope no one is too angry. Anyone who cares to summarize is welcome to do so. Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. Once again, apologies for starting a bit late. RMS has had way too many adventures and misfortunes on his way here to list, and some mundane logistics had to be taken care of between his checking into the hotel and our arrival at the restaurant. He told me that he always plans his trips to have 24 hours spare before his scheduled appearance. This was the first time he had about 20 hours or so, and just about everything that could go wrong did. He came to the dinner practically straight from the airport. I would like to personally apologize to everybody for keeping the suspense up (whether or not RMS will come, whether he is at the hotel already, etc) till the very last moment. I hope I took enough care to qualify my statements throughout - I was suspecting I was being fed incomplete and unreliable information by the person who had told the world RMS would be in his care (for those who wonder, IBM - my employer - was not responsible). As it turned out, my suspicions were fully justified. All is well that ends. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I don't read newspapers, so I couldn't help him here. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: 2. Nobody is making money from selling Free software? This may be true per se, but it's a very bad statement. There are many companies who are making money *developing* Free software, so who cares if they're and proof was Zend and a few others. I agree they don't make their bread ONLY from OSS. Red Hat are not in the black AFAIK either. it WAS a problematic statement, and dangerously inclusive. Trolltech may indeed be the only example I can think of now. ActiveState perl/python/tcl ? Isn't the development of each of Slackware, OpenBSD and NetBSD (and FreeBSD?) supported by its own company? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
Hello Mr. Stallman, IGLU people, On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Well, thanks to everybody who came. I did not count, but someone did, and there were more than 30 people (34?). It was a little bit too many for an orderly discussion, but I think some self-organization took place somewhere in the middle of the evening, and I hope no one is too angry. Anyone who cares to summarize is welcome to do so. Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. Once again, apologies for starting a bit late. RMS has had way too many adventures and misfortunes on his way here to list, and some mundane logistics had to be taken care of between his checking into the hotel and our arrival at the restaurant. He told me that he always plans his trips to have 24 hours spare before his scheduled appearance. This was the first time he had about 20 hours or so, and just about everything that could go wrong did. He came to the dinner practically straight from the airport. I would like to personally apologize to everybody for keeping the suspense up (whether or not RMS will come, whether he is at the hotel already, etc) till the very last moment. I hope I took enough care to qualify my statements throughout - I was suspecting I was being fed incomplete and unreliable information by the person who had told the world RMS would be in his care (for those who wonder, IBM - my employer - was not responsible). As it turned out, my suspicions were fully justified. All is well that ends. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I read it through their web site. The paragraph third from the bottom, says (free translation from Hebrew): In his personal website (www.stallman.org), Stallman represents himself as someone who seeks love: (here comes a quite good translation of the first two paragraphs from My Personal Ad in your site.) However, even in his acquaintance ad (probably not the exact word in English) Stallman clarifies what are his priorities in life: (here comes the third paragraph from My Personal Ad) Even if there is room in his heart, it's not clear where he will accommodate his love, considering he lives in the movements' offices. Sorry for the bad English, I hope this helps. Didi I don't read newspapers, so I couldn't help him here. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:54, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On Wednesday 08 January 2003 21:21, Eliran wrote: Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I work with Netvision @ Matav, our relatives work with Bezeq International @ Matav. Pure personal experience as such. I have no such experience with Internet Zahav. If you are a client of Matav, their site has links to all the providers' sites providing appropriate instructions. If the provider makes you download some dialer program, then it works with PPTP and the HOWTO applies. The support team says it doesn't support linux. No details on the web. Try the following link : http://oa.matavtv.net/internetzahav/default.htm. As far as I see, it does require a dialer. All this dialer does, is to add a new connection to Internet Zahav. Install this dialer in Windows, look up the details of the new connection and define a new connection in Linux accordingly. I'm using the default dialer that comes with Windows. As I've already said, all that Internet Zahav dialer does is to define a connection for the default Windows dialer. It's just some run-once program. I have an ethernet card not a USB connection. It doesn't matter, the process is about the same. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 06:18:26PM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Wed, 08 Jan: Naturally, I was disappointed that Stallman did not show up, but still I did not find it disappointed because I got to meet a lot of my Linuxer friends whom I do not get to meet very often (IRL, that is). yeah, I fealt anxious by the number of familiar faces I saw and didn't have time to give for each person. sorry if it fealt like I dissed anyone, but when 3-4 people are around me, someone is bound to feel ignored.. that's why I miss the linux dinners. that's why I said we should have the dinner tonight with or withour RMS. and let's have more of them, 6 or more a year... they are always fun but we never organize another one until hell freezes over (or some bigshot comes to visit :) I'm going to give a talk on kernel hacking (your kernel just oopsed. What do you do? what do you do?) at the bi weekly Haifux meeting on Monday, Jan 20th. All that want to drop by are most welcome, and we'll be going out for Sushi afterwards. Consider yourself invited! -- Muli Ben-Yehuda my opinions may seem crazy. But they all make sense. Insane sense, but sense nontheless. -- Shlomi Fish on #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. No sir, I didn't do much except give my opinion once in a while. I do that quite easily, I have many of them. Thank *you* for getting this thing together. I think that everyone that was there will agree that it was a fascinating evening. I'll write up a summary of today's happenings after I've gotten some sleep. -- Muli Ben-Yehuda my opinions may seem crazy. But they all make sense. Insane sense, but sense nontheless. -- Shlomi Fish on #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. Hmm, let's see. Miss ~two hours of lectures and gain 1 hour private time with RMS. Besides, I've said before I'm looking to share the long drive with someone. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I think I know the answer. The article had an explicit mention that he has not found his true love yet, and that he is looking for candidates. That usually triggers them. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
Hi Eliran, Can you tell me what the 'VPN server' is? Probably something like matav.inter.net.il or something? I'll add this to the cable-modem mini-howto. Amit On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: I'm using the default dialer that comes with Windows. As I've already said, all that Internet Zahav dialer does is to define a connection for the default Windows dialer. It's just some run-once program. I have an ethernet card not a USB connection. It doesn't matter, the process is about the same. -- Amit Margalit = One man's constant is another man's variable. -- A.J. Perlis = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about RMS Dinner: ... He told me that he always plans his trips to have 24 hours spare before his scheduled appearance. This was the first time he had about 20 hours or so, and just about everything that could go wrong did. He came to the dinner practically straight from the airport. ... Oleg (and Muli, and whoever was in charge of organizing this dinner) - thanks! But I hope Stallman was not too offended from how us Israelis manhandled him ;) To me it appeared that some of us could not respect the troubles that he has gone through to be at that dinner. This guy goes to a dinner right out of the airport, and instead of letting him relax and eat, and chat a bit, he gets accosted (and in some moments, ganged-up on). At some moments I was even afraid he'll suffocate from all the people who were leaning on his table... With all due respect, Stallman is not our equal, he's our mentor/idol/hero. We all knew him but he knew (almost) none of us. A little more humility was in order, in my opinion. When 30-40 gather in a very small room to honor one very tired guy, he does not really need to shake every one of these people's hands, or pretend like he is trying to learn their name. He does not have to spend 10 minutes on each person answering questions this person might have, especially not questions that offend him, i.e., any question that includes the words open source or linux :) All in all, personally it was very nice for me to see Stallman in person, talking and eating Chumus. I just hope that Stallman was ok with the whole ordeal. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I don't have the link right now, but it was given on linux-il a few days ago; The same article appeared on both haaretz and walla. This was one of the best articles on free software I've seen in a long time in the Israeli media. I think it portrayed Stallman in a very heroic manner, an idealist only after the common good. On the other hand, the article did not white-wash anything, an portrayed Stallman as a man of conviction, who will not sell-out even at the cost of boycotting all proprietary software and fighting every windmill in sight. I heard from some people that Haaretz's depiction of Stallman made them decide that he was a dangerous fundementalist, a pipe dreamer or a raving lunatic, or worse, a communist. For me (and I guess a lot of other people, and probably those two women), it did the exact opposite, and made me think very highly of him (as if I didn't think highly enough of him as it is...). If I remember correctly, the article also mentioned that he was looking for a woman. -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, Jan 9 2003, 6 Shevat 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |An error? Impossible! My modem is error http://nadav.harel.org.il |correcting. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 04:24:04PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: I found the lectures today rather unimpressive, although the event itself was quite nice and well organized. Come to the event in Haifa tomorrow (today) (if you registered in advance), should be much more technical and less marketing oriented. FWIW, I had fun today, and even got some hacking done during some of the not quite interesting enough lectures. Especially disappointing was Moshe Bar's lecture. I've only heard about him until now, but since he teaches the OS design class in TAU (which I'm going to have to take for my degree), I assumed he's more knowledgeable that that. Hehe, you have much to learn, young jedi. Of course, it could also be that I'm the ignorant and uninformed one, in which case, I'm sure you folks will be happy to put me in place :-) In this case, and speaking for myself only, you were right on the money. Mr. Bar's lecture was disjointed, full of misunderstandings, half truths and self serving propoganda. I can only be thankful he didn't lecture about anything technical! 5. The Theodore Ts'o lecture was of course much better, but too business oriented for me. I would've preferred to hear about Linux kernel development, relationships between the main developers, perhaps his stand on the BitKeeper issue, etc. Not his fault of course... this is what he's been asked to talk about by IBM. Again, the Haifa event has been slated from the beginning as technical, while the TAU event has been slated as marketing/introductory oriented. Hope to see you in Haifa! -- Muli Ben-Yehuda my opinions may seem crazy. But they all make sense. Insane sense, but sense nontheless. -- Shlomi Fish on #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:55, Amit Margalit wrote: Hi Eliran, Can you tell me what the 'VPN server' is? Probably something like matav.inter.net.il or something? I'll add this to the cable-modem mini-howto. Amit Do you mind if I answer instead? VPN server is a server you run PPTP connection against. For example : pptp cable.netvision.net.il - cable.netvision.net.il is a VPN server. -- Regards, Alex Chudnovsky e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 35559910 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
Nadav Har'El wrote: Re: RMS Dinner [snip] Oleg (and Muli, and whoever was in charge of organizing this dinner) - thanks! Hear hear. [snip] With all due respect, Stallman is not our equal, he's our mentor/idol/hero. We all knew him but he knew (almost) none of us. A little more humility was in order, in my opinion. When 30-40 gather in a very small room to honor one very tired guy, he does not really need to shake every one of these people's hands, or pretend like he is trying to learn their name. He does not have to spend 10 minutes on each person answering questions this person might have, especially not questions that offend him, i.e., any question that includes the words open source or linux :) The group was reorganizing itself as the evening went on. From time to time a person would move to a different location, generally closer. At the end, it looked much like a congregation, where everybody's eyes were on Richard. It really looked like he was an idol. He's a good speaker, an evangelist to freedom you might say. I think he was happy for the opportunity to have an eager crowd. I would. You can ask him, though. One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I don't have the link right now, but it was given on linux-il a few days ago; The same article appeared on both haaretz and walla. This was one of the best articles on free software I've seen in a long time in the Israeli media. I think it portrayed Stallman in a very heroic manner, an idealist only after the common good. On the other hand, the article did not white-wash anything, an portrayed Stallman as a man of conviction, who will not sell-out even at the cost of boycotting all proprietary software and fighting every windmill in sight. I heard from some people that Haaretz's depiction of Stallman made them decide that he was a dangerous fundementalist, a pipe dreamer or a raving lunatic, or worse, a communist. For me (and I guess a lot of other people, and probably those two women), it did the exact opposite, and made me think very highly of him (as if I didn't think highly enough of him as it is...). If I remember correctly, the article also mentioned that he was looking for a woman. I have the article in print. Come tomorrow, I will submit a rough translation. -- Arik = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least one of the ladies, possibly both, learned of his existence from a recent article in Ha'aretz. RMS says it is the first time this happens to him, and he is very curious *what* was written in that article. If anyone has read the article, do share it with him. I don't read newspapers, so I couldn't help him here. Perhaps he would be able to get the article online or someone might make a hard copy of it. I couldn't but that could be due to not using IE - I don't know the exact reason, perhaps it is more subtle. Haaretz also claims for phone and other tech support - there is a link on the home page. However it is too late to call them (03-5121133) right now since on week days their latest time is 24:00. Follows the furthest I could reach, do excuse me if those guidelines are too detailed. 1. http://www.haaretz.co.il. 2. Click near the upper left most corner for the English edition. 2. At the upper selection boxes choose the print edition. 3. At the left most column, possibly at the bottom of the screen (not the page) there is a box to Select Day for Previous Editions. According to the list archive the article was published on Jan 3. 4. According to the list archive the article was published in the Friday Magazine. What I was able to get is a page with the headers, some commercials and a magazine title. Nothing more. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Strange cout behaviour
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote: It doesn't matter __FILE__ : when I change it to Hello, World it doesn't print on speedy machine and print on slow machine! Something with time slice? someone said here something about the some shells 'eating' out the last printed line, if it has no new-line at its end. try running this program under different shells. for example, run 'tcsh', and then run the program, and see what you get. do the same with 'bash'. see what you come up with. also, your prompt might cause the shell to overwrite the string, if it contains a control character that makes the shell print backspaces (or a 'move to line's front' symbol). -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable-Modem Mini-Howto for Israeli Linux Users
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:55, Amit Margalit wrote: Can you tell me what the 'VPN server' is? Probably something like matav.inter.net.il or something? I'll add this to the cable-modem mini-howto. Do you mind if I answer instead? VPN server is a server you run PPTP connection against. For example : pptp cable.netvision.net.il - cable.netvision.net.il is a VPN server. i think you were answering someone else's question. amit didn't ask what is a 'VPN server'. he asked what is the specific name of the 'VPN server' used when connecting to matav. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cable-Modem Mini-Howto - please help fill in more details
Hi, Yup. I should have asked for the VPN server's name. So here goes - can anyone help find the local-loop names for the various VPN servers in Matav / Tevel / AZTV for each ISP? Thanks, Amit On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, guy keren wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On Thursday 09 January 2003 00:55, Amit Margalit wrote: Can you tell me what the 'VPN server' is? Probably something like matav.inter.net.il or something? I'll add this to the cable-modem mini-howto. Do you mind if I answer instead? VPN server is a server you run PPTP connection against. For example : pptp cable.netvision.net.il - cable.netvision.net.il is a VPN server. i think you were answering someone else's question. amit didn't ask what is a 'VPN server'. he asked what is the specific name of the 'VPN server' used when connecting to matav. -- Amit Margalit = Remark of Dr. Baldwin's concerning upstarts: We don't care to eat toadstools that think they are truffles. -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No sir, I didn't do much except give my opinion once in a while. I do I think you are being overly modest, my friend. And that's not counting holding the defensive position against over 30 enraged free software enthusiasts waiting for RMS to appear. For almost an hour. All alone, apart from Orna's support... ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM lecture(s) rant
Quoting Muli Ben-Yehuda, from the post of Thu, 09 Jan: I'm going to give a talk on kernel hacking (your kernel just oopsed. What do you do? what do you do?) at the bi weekly Haifux meeting on Monday, Jan 20th. All that want to drop by are most welcome, and we'll be going out for Sushi afterwards. Consider yourself invited! Tempting! but I'll be landing at 16:00 and running off for post-flight arrangements of all sorts. I'll try to catch the next one :) -- Wet and Wild Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg24727/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
