Re: Open office and Hebrew.
I am using OpenOffice with Culmus fonts and everything works very well. I am using the standard version with english menus and enabled hebrew. I have not yet tried the hebrew menus version as I don't like hebrew menus... -- Ori Idan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: US Robotics Wireless Turbo PC Card
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 December 2003 06:24, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Thanks for both replies. I'm gonna ask the vendor, but I'm going to get another card, an atheros chipset this time. behdad I would appreciate if you'll report back on which card you've selected, and your experience with it. I'm looking for a 802.11g card, and prefer a supported (libre) one. - -- Meir Kriheli MKsoft systems http://www.mksoft.co.il -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/8qdYRkS5DWK1mZkRAp5cAJwLtXvZMtUKSLU7E9cJ2qTC1PXEmgCgurhH /Qjsgp/jy1d+eGlyP/MXJ+4= =XC0b -END PGP SIGNATURE- To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: US Robotics Wireless Turbo PC Card
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Meir Kriheli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 December 2003 06:24, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Thanks for both replies. I'm gonna ask the vendor, but I'm going to get another card, an atheros chipset this time. behdad I would appreciate if you'll report back on which card you've selected, and your experience with it. I'm looking for a 802.11g card, and prefer a supported (libre) one. Sure I would do. My surfing has has shown that you cannot use any 802.11g card without tainting your kernel. The leading projects are madwifi, linux-wlan-ng, and ndiswrapper which are free and linuxant. Some of them provide wrappers around the Windows driver. The others have a binary only core. The reason not providing sources for the binary core is some American standards that prevent you from publishing code that can program a radio device on arbitrary frequencies and powers... behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Converting to the new samba Attn:Yedidyah Bar-David
Didi,
Could you post the script you mention that you use for converting cp862 and
iso8859-8 filed and directories to UTF-8?
Thanks
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.. :
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 10:15:58PM +0200, Gal Goldschmidt wrote:
Hi,
The solution is very simple, you need to convert the Hebrew file names on
the
server to UTF-8 encoded.
Here is a script adopted from the SAMBA docs:
find /path/to/share -type f -exec bash -c 'CP={}; ISO=`echo -n $CP | \
iconv -f cp862 -t UTF-8`; if [ $CP != $ISO ]; then mv $CP \
$ISO; fi' \;
I did not try it myself, I use a bit different one, but you surely need
at least '-depth' or you will have problems with Hebrew dirs with
Hebrew files in them. I suggest, in any case, that you double-check it
before running, especially on a large, multi-user file server. Windows
users love to put all kinds of characters in their file names - at
least put in your test cases all punctuation (including all types of
quotes), and also files whos names will be the same (e.g. one was
written with cp862 and the other with iso8859-8 - this happened to us
with a netapp that was accessed both directly from Windows and through
samba) - and change the script to do what's best for you in such a case.
--
Didi
Bye
Gal
On Sunday 26 October 2003 20:07, Dotan Mazor wrote:
Well, you could try to write utf-8 instead of utf. I didn't have to
change anything, but then, I got all my Hebrew files changed to undescores
(like this: .___), which made me brake a few chairs.
Oh well, I guess you better take advices from someone who knows at least a
bit of what he's talking about...
Dotan
---
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wrote:
Hi All Shana Tova
im trying to move my files from samba 2.x to 3.x version.
I mounted the old samba on /mnt/oldsmb but I couldn't find how to tell
it to
load it as utf ( on the Linux side ) and I just get gibberish on console,
win$ putty.
I think its something with the charset but I couldn't find the right
combination:
mount -t smbfs -o iocharset=he_IL.utf,codepage=win1255 //Share2/documents
/mnt/oldsmb/
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Re: US Robotics Wireless Turbo PC Card
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Re: Converting to the new samba Attn:Yedidyah Bar-David
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 02:31:21PM +0200, Chaim Keren Tzion wrote:
Didi,
Could you post the script you mention that you use for converting cp862 and
iso8859-8 filed and directories to UTF-8?
I don't mind to, but I recently saw on freshmeat something called
'convmv' which is probably better. If you try it, please tell us
what you think about it. Especially if you have non-trivial filenames.
--
Didi
Thanks
--
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Jerusalem 91904, Israel Fax: 972-2-658-6296
.. :
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 10:15:58PM +0200, Gal Goldschmidt wrote:
Hi,
The solution is very simple, you need to convert the Hebrew file names on
the
server to UTF-8 encoded.
Here is a script adopted from the SAMBA docs:
find /path/to/share -type f -exec bash -c 'CP={}; ISO=`echo -n $CP | \
iconv -f cp862 -t UTF-8`; if [ $CP != $ISO ]; then mv $CP \
$ISO; fi' \;
I did not try it myself, I use a bit different one, but you surely need
at least '-depth' or you will have problems with Hebrew dirs with
Hebrew files in them. I suggest, in any case, that you double-check it
before running, especially on a large, multi-user file server. Windows
users love to put all kinds of characters in their file names - at
least put in your test cases all punctuation (including all types of
quotes), and also files whos names will be the same (e.g. one was
written with cp862 and the other with iso8859-8 - this happened to us
with a netapp that was accessed both directly from Windows and through
samba) - and change the script to do what's best for you in such a case.
--
Didi
Bye
Gal
On Sunday 26 October 2003 20:07, Dotan Mazor wrote:
Well, you could try to write utf-8 instead of utf. I didn't have to
change anything, but then, I got all my Hebrew files changed to undescores
(like this: .___), which made me brake a few chairs.
Oh well, I guess you better take advices from someone who knows at least a
bit of what he's talking about...
Dotan
---
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:25:03 +0200, Ben-Nes Michael miki_at_canaan.co.il
wrote:
Hi All Shana Tova
im trying to move my files from samba 2.x to 3.x version.
I mounted the old samba on /mnt/oldsmb but I couldn't find how to tell
it to
load it as utf ( on the Linux side ) and I just get gibberish on console,
win$ putty.
I think its something with the charset but I couldn't find the right
combination:
mount -t smbfs -o iocharset=he_IL.utf,codepage=win1255 //Share2/documents
/mnt/oldsmb/
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Re: Converting to the new samba Attn:Yedidyah Bar-David
I tried 'convmv' and it worked great. One point to be aware of: I had two
directory structures and it seems that one was in cp862 and one was in iso-
8859-8. At first I ran the same command on both directories:
convmv -r -f cp862 -t utf8 --nfc directory1
That worked fine for the cp862 encoded directory but it messed up the iso-8859-
8 one. Good thing I backed them up first. I then had to play around to figure
out what encoding the second directory was in and then ran:
convmv -r -f iso-8859-8 -t utf8 --nfc --notest directory2
It worked fine and I am now all UTF8.
One question though; Is there a way to query what encoding a file or
directory's name is in? I had to just keep trying different 'from' encodings
until it worked.
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.. :
Quoting Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 02:31:21PM +0200, Chaim Keren Tzion wrote:
Didi,
Could you post the script you mention that you use for converting cp862 and
iso8859-8 filed and directories to UTF-8?
I don't mind to, but I recently saw on freshmeat something called
'convmv' which is probably better. If you try it, please tell us
what you think about it. Especially if you have non-trivial filenames.
--
Didi
Thanks
--
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System Administrator The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
Dept. of NeurobiologyTel: 972-2-658-5083
Inst. of Life ScienceCel: 972-2-54-652983
Jerusalem 91904, Israel Fax: 972-2-658-6296
.. :
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 10:15:58PM +0200, Gal Goldschmidt wrote:
Hi,
The solution is very simple, you need to convert the Hebrew file names on
the
server to UTF-8 encoded.
Here is a script adopted from the SAMBA docs:
find /path/to/share -type f -exec bash -c 'CP={}; ISO=`echo -n $CP |
\
iconv -f cp862 -t UTF-8`; if [ $CP != $ISO ]; then mv $CP \
$ISO; fi' \;
I did not try it myself, I use a bit different one, but you surely need
at least '-depth' or you will have problems with Hebrew dirs with
Hebrew files in them. I suggest, in any case, that you double-check it
before running, especially on a large, multi-user file server. Windows
users love to put all kinds of characters in their file names - at
least put in your test cases all punctuation (including all types of
quotes), and also files whos names will be the same (e.g. one was
written with cp862 and the other with iso8859-8 - this happened to us
with a netapp that was accessed both directly from Windows and through
samba) - and change the script to do what's best for you in such a case.
--
Didi
Bye
Gal
On Sunday 26 October 2003 20:07, Dotan Mazor wrote:
Well, you could try to write utf-8 instead of utf. I didn't have
to
change anything, but then, I got all my Hebrew files changed to
undescores
(like this: .___), which made me brake a few chairs.
Oh well, I guess you better take advices from someone who knows at
least a
bit of what he's talking about...
Dotan
---
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:25:03 +0200, Ben-Nes Michael
miki_at_canaan.co.il
wrote:
Hi All Shana Tova
im trying to move my files from samba 2.x to 3.x version.
I mounted the old samba on /mnt/oldsmb but I couldn't find how to
tell
it to
load it as utf ( on the Linux side ) and I just get gibberish on
console,
win$ putty.
I think its something with the charset but I couldn't find the right
combination:
mount -t smbfs -o iocharset=he_IL.utf,codepage=win1255
//Share2/documents
/mnt/oldsmb/
--
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Tel: 972-4-6991122
Fax: 972-4-6990098
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Re: Converting to the new samba Attn:Yedidyah Bar-David
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 04:38:02PM +0200, Chaim Keren Tzion wrote: I tried 'convmv' and it worked great. One point to be aware of: I had two directory structures and it seems that one was in cp862 and one was in iso- 8859-8. At first I ran the same command on both directories: convmv -r -f cp862 -t utf8 --nfc directory1 That worked fine for the cp862 encoded directory but it messed up the iso-8859- It means it's not that smart. I suggest you report it to the author. IMO, it should have done nothing. 8 one. Good thing I backed them up first. I then had to play around to figure out what encoding the second directory was in and then ran: convmv -r -f iso-8859-8 -t utf8 --nfc --notest directory2 It worked fine and I am now all UTF8. One question though; Is there a way to query what encoding a file or directory's name is in? I had to just keep trying different 'from' encodings until it worked. There is no way to query it - it's not written anywhere. The only thing you can do is _guess_ it. If you know it's hebrew, there are only a few possibilities. You can simply do 'ls --show-control-chars | od -tx1' and see the raw data - cp862 starts at hex 80 and iso8859-8 starts at hex E0. If you don't know the language, you need a smarter tool. I think one such tool is mguesser, but it has no maps for cp862 so I didn't try it (but it's probably trivial to convert its iso8859-8 map to cp862). It also needs a large amount of data to work on - I guess it compares distributions of letters to known languages' distributions. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Suggentions for server side spam control
Hi linux-il, What is the best server side solution for spam control? A short search in freshmeat got me the following list: 1. ASSP - Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy (http://assp.sourceforge.net) 2. DSPAM (http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/) 3. SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? TIA baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Printing on MDK 9.2
Hi All, I have a Cannon BJ-220 and MDK 9.2 installed using the CUPS server. My printer shows up correctly, but when trying to print the Test Page, all I get it pages and pages of gibberish... I don't have enough paper and ink for a trial and error process... I don't print that much, but I need it now and then... Any ideas, tips ? TIA, ::. Amichai Rotman Short text-only e-mails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggentions for server side spam control
Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Hi linux-il, What is the best server side solution for spam control? A short search in freshmeat got me the following list: 1. ASSP - Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy (http://assp.sourceforge.net) 2. DSPAM (http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/) 3. SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? TIA baruch I recommend MessageWall: http://messagewall.org I installed in in a government ministry with very high spam volume and it proved to be highly effective and relatively easy to set up and configure. Cheers, Henry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggentions for server side spam control
Henry Ficher wrote: Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Hi linux-il, What is the best server side solution for spam control? A short search in freshmeat got me the following list: 1. ASSP - Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy (http://assp.sourceforge.net) 2. DSPAM (http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/) 3. SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? TIA baruch I recommend MessageWall: http://messagewall.org I installed in in a government ministry with very high spam volume and it proved to be highly effective and relatively easy to set up and configure. Cheers, Henry According to messagewall.org the last stable version was released over a year ago. Is the MessageWall package actively maitaned? baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggentions for server side spam control
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Hi linux-il, What is the best server side solution for spam control? A short search in freshmeat got me the following list: 1. ASSP - Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy (http://assp.sourceforge.net) 2. DSPAM (http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/) 3. SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? I'm using spamassassin (on the client side) and it seems very effective. Be sure to install the newest version and upgrade regularly. Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 GPG public key at http://alon.wox.org/pubkey.txt Key fingerprint = A670 6C81 19D3 3773 3627 DE14 B44A 50A3 FE06 7F24 -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- Revenge is a meal best served cold. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SOLVED] Frightening possibilities (gnome-2.4 + fedora oddity)
My qualified Colleague Tzafrir Cohen helped me demystify the mystery. It's that pesky lil gkb keyboard applet that was mishandeling some setkb options and somehow left the system without CTRL-ALT anything ... To solve in an infected system try .. propmt setxkbmap -option -option grp:switch,grp:shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll -rules xfree86 -model pc105 us,il (exchange the settings to whatever model or keymaps you want ..) At first we proved that the keyboard layout switcher was in fault by removing it and seeing that I can switch windows freely. The I put it back - checked out the defaults in the properties tag and saw that it was using gkb_xmmap (coming from gnome-applets-2.4.1) to change by default and once we changed it to use setkbmap it started working fine. Finally I have my hebrew support as well as multiple terminals and I can commence with my experiences with gnome. I'm truely sorry for implying any consiparacy theory of gnome locking me in to a single VT solution. Linux is becoming so friendly and Windows like that I was freightened that they simply crossed the line .. regards -- Lior Kesos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content Development Team Leader == Everything should be made as simple as possible - but not simpler -- Albert Einstein = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggentions for server side spam control
Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Henry Ficher wrote: Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Hi linux-il, What is the best server side solution for spam control? A short search in freshmeat got me the following list: 1. ASSP - Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy (http://assp.sourceforge.net) 2. DSPAM (http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/) 3. SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? TIA baruch I recommend MessageWall: http://messagewall.org I installed in in a government ministry with very high spam volume and it proved to be highly effective and relatively easy to set up and configure. Cheers, Henry According to messagewall.org the last stable version was released over a year ago. Is the MessageWall package actively maitaned? baruch From the site: MessageWall is currently actively working on the development series, although bug fixes are still made to the stable series. Why has it taken them so long to release new versions, I don't know. The timestamps in the package files suggest they haven't introduced bug fixes since then either. But their mailing lists are still active. Henry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggentions for server side spam control
On Wednesday 31 December 2003 17:40, Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? I'm using bogofilter by ESR. its wasn't trivial to setup on my Postfix/Cyrus system, and it requires a very large volume of test email to be effective, but I got it to dump email that it sure is SPAM and after a couple of months of running it I get almost no SPAM that it isn't marked and the ammount of suspect as SPAM has diminished greatly. I expect it to get better as I feed it more SPAM, which I do regularly from the stuff that still lends in my inbox and the stuff I get from my unprotected work email. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggentions for server side spam control
not directly answering your question, but on topic, mail administrators might be interested in the following: http://spf.pobox.com/ It is a suggested method for cutting spam from it's root - disabling froging email and verifying sender IP as permitted for sending emails fo it's domain. Boaz. Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Hi linux-il, What is the best server side solution for spam control? A short search in freshmeat got me the following list: 1. ASSP - Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy (http://assp.sourceforge.net) 2. DSPAM (http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/) 3. SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? TIA baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggentions for server side spam control
This is interesting. I use SpamAssassin via amavis on a few systems that use Cyrus as MDA, but haven't figured out a reasonable way to set bayesian filtering on such a mail store. Could you elaborate on how you set up cyrus and bogofilter. The same setup should also be usable (I guess) for SpamAssassin bayesian filtering. Oded Arbel wrote: On Wednesday 31 December 2003 17:40, Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? I'm using bogofilter by ESR. its wasn't trivial to setup on my Postfix/Cyrus system, and it requires a very large volume of test email to be effective, but I got it to dump email that it sure is SPAM and after a couple of months of running it I get almost no SPAM that it isn't marked and the ammount of suspect as SPAM has diminished greatly. I expect it to get better as I feed it more SPAM, which I do regularly from the stuff that still lends in my inbox and the stuff I get from my unprotected work email. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bayesian filtering (Re: Suggentions for server side spam control)
I wonder, does bayesian filtering make sense on a domain level (i.e. the same DB for all users) and not having each user teach the system his/her own rules? Baruch Birnbaum wrote: Hi linux-il, What is the best server side solution for spam control? A short search in freshmeat got me the following list: 1. ASSP - Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy (http://assp.sourceforge.net) 2. DSPAM (http://www.nuclearelephant.com/projects/dspam/) 3. SpamAssassin (http://www.spamassassin.org) Do you have experience with any of them as a server side spam control software? Is there anything else? TIA baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and what's with pine+imap? (was: Re: Suggentions for server side spam control)
i tried checking for the possibility to have spam filtering with the following configuration: remote mail server, accessed using 'pine', via an imap server. - thus, i cannot install a spam-filter on the remote server. - the local procmail is never activated, and thus seems to be un-useable here. - i can't use fetchmail - this is imap, not pop3. - couldn't find a way, in pine's configuration, on how to set up a filter that passes the message via an external program. - searching for a solution using google, as well as reading spamassassin's documentation, just shows solutions that assume you can set spamassassin to run via procmail. this does not seem to work for my setup. is there any solution, _WITHOUT_ replacing the mail client, and without reverting to pop3? -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggentions for server side spam control
On Wednesday 31 December 2003 20:57, Gil Freund wrote: This is interesting. I use SpamAssassin via amavis on a few systems that use Cyrus as MDA, but haven't figured out a reasonable way to set bayesian filtering on such a mail store. Could you elaborate on how you set up cyrus and bogofilter. The same setup should also be usable (I guess) for SpamAssassin bayesian filtering. Lets ignore the problem of teaching bogofilter for a second here. I wrote a simply script (attached) that runs bogofilter and then resends the output through the system's sendmail. The attached script does other things - it changes the subject of the message to reflect the SPAM level of the message as OE and other dumb email clients can't filter on arbitary headers, and it also rejects SPAM emails and store them in an mbox for later. I then installed that script as the content_filter for postfix, which was very simple to do. you might also want to check bogofilter's homepage for other success stories. -- Oded bogofilter2sendmail Description: application/shellscript
Re: Bayesian filtering (Re: Suggentions for server side spam control)
On Wednesday 31 December 2003 20:59, Gil Freund wrote: I wonder, does bayesian filtering make sense on a domain level (i.e. the same DB for all users) and not having each user teach the system his/her own rules? Good question. I have no idea :-) I've set it up anyway, and it looks to be working OK (that is no complaints from users so far :-). I know its not nice to do, but I occasionally scan user's inboxes by grepping for known keywords to extract SPAM that they got and then feeds it to the dictionary. I also have some dummy accounts which exist for the sole purpose of attracting SPAM. All in all I think SPAM is generally the same for all the users - viagra ads and other suspect materials, nigerian scams and yambateva. -- Oded = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some thoughts about the linux.org.il Site
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 01:21:12AM +, Yishay Mor wrote: As Orna mentioned, there hasn't been a lot of community activity here. I can see several possible reasons: 1. Hardly anyone noticed the existence of this site. 2. Contributing is too tedious, a wiki would be better. 3. There is no need for such a tool I seriously doubt 3, but think its a combination of 1 2. As for visibility (and the relationship with other tribal gathering places) I would be more than happy to drop this project altogether in favour of a similar platform hosted by one of the bigger camp fires (e.g. iglu, watsup, etc.) I started to contribute but then I realized that I'm either replicating existing content or that I'm just being a news post. Wikis are a good idea but I think that Plone is a bit too restrictive. A Wiki should be centrally placed so that even the casual LinuxIL surfer would inevitably come across it. This implies that it should be linked, hosted or part of one of the main LinuxIL sites. I don't think we have enough mass to start spreading thin. -- Cut your own wood and it will warm you twice Regards, Yoni Rabkin Katzenell pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: and what's with pine+imap? (was: Re: Suggentions for server side spam control)
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Alon Altman wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, guy keren wrote: i tried checking for the possibility to have spam filtering with the following configuration: remote mail server, accessed using 'pine', via an imap server. - thus, i cannot install a spam-filter on the remote server. - the local procmail is never activated, and thus seems to be un-useable here. - i can't use fetchmail - this is imap, not pop3. - couldn't find a way, in pine's configuration, on how to set up a filter that passes the message via an external program. - searching for a solution using google, as well as reading spamassassin's documentation, just shows solutions that assume you can set spamassassin to run via procmail. this does not seem to work for my setup. is there any solution, _WITHOUT_ replacing the mail client, and without reverting to pop3? IIRC, fetchmail supports IMAP, so use fetchmail+procmail and then either use the downloaded mail locally, or use IMAP to upload the mail back to the server. this setup defeats the purpose of using imap in the first place - to be able to see all messages _without_ downloading the messages themselves. i'm beginning to think i'm asking for the imposible - to filter the letter, i need to first download it. however, i should be able to filter out by the message headers that _are_ downloaded by imap, thus eliminating a large part of the spam, and only then downloading the rest of it for further inspection... oh, well. no spam solution for me... -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: and what's with pine+imap? (was: Re: Suggentions for server sidespam control)
-Original Message- From: guy keren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] i'm beginning to think i'm asking for the imposible - to filter the letter, i need to first download it. however, i should be able to filter out by the message headers that _are_ downloaded by imap, thus eliminating a large part of the spam, and only then downloading the rest of it for further inspection... oh, well. no spam solution for me... Actually there is. http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/applications.html#imap I'm using the Outlook plugin version, and it works great. Basically what they say is that there are two folders: Decided spam and Suspected spam. There are two thresholds, spam threshold and suspect threshold. The suspect folder is intended to catch all those messages that are undecided for the purpose of training (and initially they are all suspect). After some training it gets really good at it. The application is an IMAP proxy. You set it up on some port, and connect through it. It senses when you move mail to the spam folder or from the suspect folder into the inbox folder and considers that to be traininig. -- Arik ** This email and attachments have been scanned for potential proprietary or sensitive information leakage. PortAuthority(TM) Server Keeping Information Inside Vidius, Inc. www.vidius.com ** To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: and what's with pine+imap?
How about an imap proxy? SpamAssasign has such a feature, IIRC. This means that you Pine will connect to an IMAP server in localhost which will then query the remote IMAP server. guy keren wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Alon Altman wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, guy keren wrote: i tried checking for the possibility to have spam filtering with the following configuration: remote mail server, accessed using 'pine', via an imap server. - thus, i cannot install a spam-filter on the remote server. - the local procmail is never activated, and thus seems to be un-useable here. - i can't use fetchmail - this is imap, not pop3. - couldn't find a way, in pine's configuration, on how to set up a filter that passes the message via an external program. - searching for a solution using google, as well as reading spamassassin's documentation, just shows solutions that assume you can set spamassassin to run via procmail. this does not seem to work for my setup. is there any solution, _WITHOUT_ replacing the mail client, and without reverting to pop3? IIRC, fetchmail supports IMAP, so use fetchmail+procmail and then either use the downloaded mail locally, or use IMAP to upload the mail back to the server. this setup defeats the purpose of using imap in the first place - to be able to see all messages _without_ downloading the messages themselves. i'm beginning to think i'm asking for the imposible - to filter the letter, i need to first download it. however, i should be able to filter out by the message headers that _are_ downloaded by imap, thus eliminating a large part of the spam, and only then downloading the rest of it for further inspection... oh, well. no spam solution for me... -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bayesian filtering (Re: Suggentions for server side spam control)
Oded Arbel wrote: On Wednesday 31 December 2003 20:59, Gil Freund wrote: I wonder, does bayesian filtering make sense on a domain level (i.e. the same DB for all users) and not having each user teach the system his/her own rules? Good question. I have no idea :-) I've set it up anyway, and it looks to be working OK (that is no complaints from users so far :-). I know its not nice to do, but I occasionally scan user's inboxes by grepping for known keywords to extract SPAM that they got and then feeds it to the dictionary. I also have some dummy accounts which exist for the sole purpose of attracting SPAM. How do you feed it? I thought SA reads MBOX and Maildir formats only? All in all I think SPAM is generally the same for all the users - viagra ads and other suspect materials, nigerian scams and yambateva. -- Oded -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: and what's with pine+imap? (was: Re: Suggentions for server side spam control)
* guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031231 23:22]: i tried checking for the possibility to have spam filtering with the following configuration: remote mail server, accessed using 'pine', via an imap server. is there any solution, _WITHOUT_ replacing the mail client, and without reverting to pop3? Search for software where it is indexed, FreshMeat. http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=filter+imapsection=projectsx=0y=0 Shows as first hit IMAPAssassin which should fit the bill. The logic of such a beast is not very hard, read from imap, send throgh spamassassin, upload a modified message according to what SA returned. Obviously, the devil is in the little details. Baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
