The Fedora Mystery
I bought a new laptop, paid the MS-Tax (for Windows XP), and I want to install Linux on it. When looking for ISO images of Fedora, I found no Israeli mirror of Fedora ISO's. The most recent mirrored version in that lineage is RedHat 9. So I am downloading Fedora ISOs (slowly) from abroad. Meanwhile, the above observation leads me to asking, in a nervous way, whether there is any brown bag type problem with Fedora or with its level of Hebrew support. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Fedora Mystery
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 10:03:23PM +0200, Omer Zak wrote: I bought a new laptop, paid the MS-Tax (for Windows XP), and I want to install Linux on it. When looking for ISO images of Fedora, I found no Israeli mirror of Fedora ISO's. ftp.tau.ac.il:/pub/OS/RedHat/Fedora-core-iso The most recent mirrored version in that lineage is RedHat 9. So I am downloading Fedora ISOs (slowly) from abroad. Meanwhile, the above observation leads me to asking, in a nervous way, whether there is any brown bag type problem with Fedora or with its level of Hebrew support. I used it very little up to now, but haven't heard bad things about it. I know of few people that installed it and are happy. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Fedora Mystery
Actcom host a mirror of Fedora: ftp://mirror.israel.net/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/ or http://mirror.israel.net/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/ You can see their list of mirrors at http://mirror.israel.net/ Jason I bought a new laptop, paid the MS-Tax (for Windows XP), and I want to install Linux on it. When looking for ISO images of Fedora, I found no Israeli mirror of Fedora ISO's. The most recent mirrored version in that lineage is RedHat 9. So I am downloading Fedora ISOs (slowly) from abroad. Meanwhile, the above observation leads me to asking, in a nervous way, whether there is any brown bag type problem with Fedora or with its level of Hebrew support. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Fedora Mystery
Hi Omer, I had Fedora running for months with nary a problem and hebrew was also an easy fix. Why are there no mirrors? I have no idea but I do think that bittorrent (sp) is the preferred way to download it. I also downloaded the iso's. Aaron Omer Zak wrote: I bought a new laptop, paid the MS-Tax (for Windows XP), and I want to install Linux on it. When looking for ISO images of Fedora, I found no Israeli mirror of Fedora ISO's. The most recent mirrored version in that lineage is RedHat 9. So I am downloading Fedora ISOs (slowly) from abroad. Meanwhile, the above observation leads me to asking, in a nervous way, whether there is any brown bag type problem with Fedora or with its level of Hebrew support. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Fedora Mystery
Thanks to all who replied! --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 10:03:23PM +0200, Omer Zak wrote: I bought a new laptop, paid the MS-Tax (for Windows XP), and I want to install Linux on it. When looking for ISO images of Fedora, I found no Israeli mirror of Fedora ISO's. ftp.tau.ac.il:/pub/OS/RedHat/Fedora-core-iso The most recent mirrored version in that lineage is RedHat 9. So I am downloading Fedora ISOs (slowly) from abroad. Meanwhile, the above observation leads me to asking, in a nervous way, whether there is any brown bag type problem with Fedora or with its level of Hebrew support. I used it very little up to now, but haven't heard bad things about it. I know of few people that installed it and are happy. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Fedora Mystery
On Tuesday 10 February 2004 22:03, Omer Zak wrote: I bought a new laptop, paid the MS-Tax (for Windows XP), and I want to install Linux on it. When looking for ISO images of Fedora, I found no Israeli mirror of Fedora ISO's. The most recent mirrored version in that lineage is RedHat 9. So I am downloading Fedora ISOs (slowly) from abroad. ftp://ftp.tau.ac.il/pub/OS/RedHat/Fedora-core-iso/ yarrow-i386-disc1.iso yarrow-i386-disc2.iso yarrow-i386-disc3.iso --Ariel Meanwhile, the above observation leads me to asking, in a nervous way, whether there is any brown bag type problem with Fedora or with its level of Hebrew support. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Configuring GDM to limit user actions
On Sunday 08 February 2004 15:34, David Sapir wrote: Hi, I would like to know how to configure Gnome on RH9 for a specific user: * control the menus from the start menu (which item will appear in the menues) * control which application a user can activate (run) * require a root password (or a previledged user password) for certain applications I did not find a suitable answer for that on the web. Maybe anyone has a lead for me to follow? If you think I cannot accomplish that in Gnome environment, please tell me which env and how to do it (or where to look for the answer), because I don't know any other GUI environments. Check out KDE's kiosk mode. If you're inclined to digging in, it will provide important clues. otherwise you might just like to switch to KDE. AFAIK, GNOME has no kiosk mode support nor any interest in providing such. -- Oded ::.. The first time I encountered setjmp() was in an Amiga program ported from Unix. Hmm, what's setjmp()? I said, pulling up the man page. I read the man page. *GASP* GLARGGGPPPHHTT!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]^U! I exclaimed, and rolled my chair over backwards as I fainted. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache virtual server redirection
Hi! I would like to redirect every foo.mydomain.com to www.mydomain.com/sites/foo My guess is that it could be done using the virtualserver directive in httpd.conf But i was unable to find any reference to such an example. Anyone knows how to do that?! Thanks! Tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache virtual server redirection
Try mod_virtual_host VirtualDocumentRoot /www/host/sites/%1 yonah Tal Achituv wrote: Hi! I would like to redirect every foo.mydomain.com to www.mydomain.com/sites/foo My guess is that it could be done using the virtualserver directive in httpd.conf But i was unable to find any reference to such an example. Anyone knows how to do that?! Thanks! Tal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows Security Model (Configuring GDM to limit user actions)
Well then, I'm just not the type. I'll elaborate. On Tuesday 10 February 2004 10:32, Oron Peled wrote: On Tuesday 10 February 2004 05:28, Ez-Aton wrote: ... starting from Windows 2000 (i don't count WinNT as a real OS anyhow), First an unrelated observation. Through the years I used to hear: Windows for Worgroups isn't real OS -- Win95 is true 32bit OS Win9X is just a graphical shell -- WinNT is modern design done by the same people who did VMS WinNT is obsolete -- W2K is the future and I'm waiting for: W2K is the old world OS -- W2K server and .Net are true revolution This isn't against you specifically Ez, every Win* user I know thinks the *previous* Windows sucks big time... isn't it weird? Not exactly. For some time now, Windows 2003 Server is at hand, and I still claim Windows 2000 to be a good product (generally speaking). Windows 2000 Server implements the AD mechanism (unlike Win2000 Pro), but it's not a kernel based part, but a module, you can run the system without (AD Maintenance mode). Personally I'll take any day my first old slackware (kernel 0.99pl14) with its FVWM (with GoodStuff config) -- it was functional, fast and stable. And now to the important subject... Although we're a Linux list, knowing our competitors is an advantage, to my knowledge, Agreed (at least by me). in AD, ... [description of ActiveDirectory relevant part] Organization of various settings in a global hierarchy is an important feature that generally eases administration. I'd like to put it in some perspective: 1. Sometimes a valid idea is designed badly -- The famous example is the Windwos Registry which had the same hierarchical organization but was designed as monolithic binary file which everyone need to access... not a pretty sight. Nowdays, Registry resides in three files, each one is a special branch or hive - System, Software, Users, and each user has his/her own registry part inside his homedir (a user.dat file in ~/) Note: the utmp/wtmp in Unix/linux present exactly the same design mistake which explains the low validity of data you find there... 2. As a counter-example you may look at Linux GConf -- basically it's the registry idea done the right way: decouple storage from interface (curret plugins are XML, but that may be change), not a single repositoty but several configurable ones (system-wide, per-user, etc.), fits nicely with the regular permission model (each user has its own gconfd, no suid access). Never did try. Can't say anything about it. 3. For site-wide hierarchical management many use LDAP. It is already integrated in the important infrastructural applications -- login, (via pam) Mail (sendmail, postfix, imap4, etc.) and more. Agree. But it's not the native way of doing things, yet. Implementing an LDAP schema is based on picking up the correct schema, while, although it reduces the choise, AD (which is based on LDAP and Kerberos) has already built-in schema. But one of your points is that this isn't integrated into every application or the kernel (god forbid :-) like AD is in Windows. I'll try to refer to this point later. It is not integrated into the kernel in Windows either. ... setup access rights to most parts of Windows settings, and applications, enforce settings ... This is a very important issue. The Linux kernel has implemented internally capability based security for quite some time. However, almost no one uses it. True. Ever asked why? I think one of the problems we have in attaching security information to the user login, is that there are many cases of non-login usage: - Someone is running a process via rsh/ssh (this isn't login). - Someone is using my DISPLAY (consuming resources). - Someone is using my disk via NFS (again,... resources). - Packets are being routed via my computer (there are no user credentials in the packets at all..) Agree. Let's combine the above points into a real-life scenario: I seat at computer A running via SSH a program on computer B (with its DISPLAY apears on A of course). The program was loaded from my NFS server C and establish a connection to a server D, and the packets are routed through router E. Now since the user activity is distributed, it's non-trivial to apply some central policy to his actions. Not exactly. You could, through a central LDAP/other directory, which Computers A, B C are to AAA agains, the rules which apply to a specific user/computer. If you're permitted to use DISPLAY on other computer, but allowed to run only X,Y Z, that's what you'll run (Computer B now). Computer A asks if it's allowed to show DISPLAY, for who and from where, Computer B checks if you're allowed to run the software you're running, your server, D, checks what are your permissions regarding NFS, quota, etc, and computer E checks the source, target, and may be given
KDE 3.2 RPMS
Hi, I'm rebuilding at this moment the KDE 3.2 RPMS for Redhat 9 (direct port from Fedora).. Anyone wants those RPMS? Thanks, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Robert M. Sauer - FLOSS/Windows TCO - Reloaded
Rob (JIMS) seems to bring FLOSS's TCO and Microsoft's Get The Facts campaign to Yediout Acharonot. See more information here: http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=2688 p.s. We are not sure if we are allowd to upload the original article to whatsup, if anyone has any idea? Uri Whatsup www.whatsup.org.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regexps
Hi Guys, can anyone give me a regular _expression_ that turns bla foo bar "kuku 2" test test into: bla foo bar kuku 2 test test (replaces spaces with \n only if its not encapsulated in ") Thanks, Tal.
Re: Apache virtual server redirection
You will also need to set your DNS up so that everything.mydomain.com will be directed to your IP. This requires DNS wildcards, which are recommended against unless you know exactly what you are doing. Shachar Yonah Russ wrote: Try mod_virtual_host VirtualDocumentRoot /www/host/sites/%1 yonah Tal Achituv wrote: Hi! I would like to redirect every foo.mydomain.com to www.mydomain.com/sites/foo My guess is that it could be done using the virtualserver directive in httpd.conf But i was unable to find any reference to such an example. Anyone knows how to do that?! Thanks! Tal. -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Systems Consulting http://www.lingnu.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Regexps
tr " " "\n" From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tal AchituvSent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 15:04 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Regexps Hi Guys, can anyone give me a regular _expression_ that turns bla foo bar "kuku 2" test test into: bla foo bar kuku 2 test test (replaces spaces with \n only if its not encapsulated in ") Thanks, Tal.
(no subject)
Hi printing people, This mail is on behalf of a friend of mine, he is not subscribed to Linux-il, so please CC him. 8X- I want to buy a printer for my home pc. My system is mandrake 9.2, and the most common printer sold today is the lexmark z602. In the harddrake page it is not even mentioned. I cannot find a printer which is available in Israel as well as supported well in Linux (according to info available on the web). Of course, money is of significance... Could you please recommend a well supported printer, available in Israel? Thanks, Ranny. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Article on YNet
Hi All, I think someone should flame this guy... http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-2872838,00.html -- ::. Amichai Rotman Short text-only e-mails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with kernel 2.6
Hello list I upgraded my kernel to 2.6 (2.6.0.0-test5 ) on my MDK9.1(with updates) . The compilation and install passed fine , but now i seem to have a problem with my CD-ROM . When i try and mount the cdrom root # mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom i get the error message mount : fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel . Checking the kernel config file for the comilation it is marked by default as module and not incorparated , when i tried to insert it my self root # modprobe iso9660 I get the following error FATAL: Error inserting isofs (/lib/modules/2.6.0-0.test5.1mdk/kernel/fs/isofs/isofs.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) FATAL: Error running install command for iso9660 And checking the dmesg i get the follwing output : [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux-2.6.0-0.test5.1mdk]# dmesg |grep 9660 UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:500:udf_vrs: ISO9660 Volume Descriptor Set Terminator found UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:491:udf_vrs: ISO9660 Primary Volume Descriptor found UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/lowlevel.c:65:udf_get_last_session: CDROMMULTISESSION not supported: rc=-22 UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:1476:udf_fill_super: Multi-session=0 UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:464:udf_vrs: Starting at sector 16 (2048 byte sectors) Has anyone encountered this prolem before ? and besides recompiling my kernel - is there another way for me to make my CD work ? ps - the eject command works with no problem . Assaf --- This e-mail message may contain confidential, commercial and privileged information or data that constitute proprietary information of Cellcom Israel Ltd. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use of this information or data by any other person is absolutely prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete all copies. Thank You. http://www.cellcom.co.il To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Things my Debian can't do
Hi, I'm ashamed to admit there's one thing Redhat machines can do out of the box and my Debian can't, despite my many attempts to teach it. On Redhat, konsole performs copy on select - i.e. when selecting the text it is automatically copies it to the clipboard. Moreover, the konsole on Redhat doesn't even have copy in the edit menu, which means this is not an X hack but some configuration option in konsole. I tried to compare the redhat config files (of konsole and almost everything else I could think of), I googled, and I even went as far as threatening my Debian that it will be punished harshly if it will not cooperate - all this didn't help. Any ideas what the Redhat trick can be? -- - Aviram = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Buying a new printer to work under Mandrake 9.2 (was: (no subject))
Few weeks ago I bought Epson CX3200 scanner-printer, to replace my dead HP 660C printer. Printing worked out of the box, after re-running print configuration utility in Gnome. The scanner needs a more recent kernel version (2.4.21 vs. the 2.4.18 which I have under RedHat 8.0, which I didn't bother to update more than absolutely necessary). But it works well in photocopier mode, which is OK by me because I have also a separate scanner. The cost was 700NIS including VAT at Office Depot (may be available now for 673NIS in a sale). DISCLAIMER: I didn't care that much about ink cartridge prices, because I don't print much but you may want to check this before making a final decision. In general, you may want to consult the hardware Howto distributed knowledge base available in the Internet, and which can be found by means of Google keywords. This is excellent! For each model mentioned, you get information about people's experience, what workaround they used, what tricks and tips they have. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Orna Agmon wrote: Hi printing people, This mail is on behalf of a friend of mine, he is not subscribed to Linux-il, so please CC him. 8X- I want to buy a printer for my home pc. My system is mandrake 9.2, and the most common printer sold today is the lexmark z602. In the harddrake page it is not even mentioned. I cannot find a printer which is available in Israel as well as supported well in Linux (according to info available on the web). Of course, money is of significance... Could you please recommend a well supported printer, available in Israel? Thanks, Ranny. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apache virtual server redirection
Hello Tal, List IMHO VirtualServers have nothing to do with what you are trying to do check-out mod_rewrite : http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/rewriteguide.html and http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html Regards, Boris Ratner. PS: `The great thing about mod_rewrite is it gives you all the configurability and flexibility of Sendmail. The downside to mod_rewrite is that it gives you all the configurability and flexibility of Sendmail.'' -- Brian Behlendorf Apache Group Shachar Shemesh wrote: You will also need to set your DNS up so that everything.mydomain.com will be directed to your IP. This requires DNS wildcards, which are recommended against unless you know exactly what you are doing. Shachar Yonah Russ wrote: Try mod_virtual_host VirtualDocumentRoot /www/host/sites/%1 yonah Tal Achituv wrote: Hi! I would like to redirect every foo.mydomain.com to www.mydomain.com/sites/foo My guess is that it could be done using the virtualserver directive in httpd.conf But i was unable to find any reference to such an example. Anyone knows how to do that?! Thanks! Tal. -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Systems Consulting http://www.lingnu.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new printer to work under Mandrake 9.2
Omer Zak wrote: In general, you may want to consult the hardware Howto distributed knowledge base available in the Internet, and which can be found by means of Google keywords. This is excellent! For each model mentioned, you get information about people's experience, what workaround they used, what tricks and tips they have. linuxprinting.org could be usefull as well, and maybe this article about multifunctional printers. *Six multifunction printers for Linux http://docs.linux.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/05/0015249* http://www.linux.com/documentation/03/12/05/0015249.shtml = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Things my Debian can't do
Quoting Aviram Jenik, from the post of Tue, 10 Feb: Any ideas what the Redhat trick can be? Funny, I never noti... oh wait a minute, I hate Konsole, I use Eterm :-) compared version numbers? -- Model turned actress Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Article on YNet
what for? he is capitalist economics lecture isn't that punishment enough? what do you expect from those guys who spend their life making redicules theories which opensource totally ignore? would you think he would admit being wrong? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi All, I think someone should flame this guy... http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-2872838,00.html -- ::. Amichai Rotman Short text-only e-mails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Regexps
Hagay Unterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
tr \n
This would be excusable if it were prepended with UNTESTED. It does
not do what the OP wants.
In general, handling string literals with regexps is not trivial,
because you need to take into account escaped , as in
foo \sna fu\ bar
and more complicated variants. Also, what if there are newlines inside
the string?
Assuming there are only simple cases in your input (and some
other things like there is no
foo sna fubar
i.e. quoted strings are always whitespace-separated fields) here is a
simple gawk parser that works on your example:
#!/bin/gawk -f
function tail(str,head) { return substr(str,head+1,length(str)-head+1); }
function trprint(str) { gsub(/[ \t]+/,\n,str); printf(%s,str); }
{
if (!NF) next;
str = $0;
while (len = index(str,\)) {
trprint(substr(str,1,len-1));
str = tail(str,len);
end = index(str,\);
if (!end) {
printf(%s:%d: unmatched quote at position %d\n,
FILENAME,NR,len) /dev/stderr;
exit(1);
}
printf(%s\n,substr(str,1,end-1));
str = tail(str,end+1);
}
trprint(str);
printf(\n);
}
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tal Achituv
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 15:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Regexps
Hi Guys,
can anyone give me a regular expression that turns
bla foo bar kuku 2 test test
into:
bla
foo
bar
kuku 2
test
test
(replaces spaces with \n only if its not encapsulated in )
Thanks,
Tal.
Hope it helps,
--
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video conference server
Hi List, Any idea? suggestions? 10X, Gili From: gili gili [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: video conference server Hi list, I need to setup a video conference server. The main goal of this server is to connect many to many and not point to point The server must be Linux (dh :-) ), because, I found many embedded devises for this purpose, and I dont like embedded. Dose anybody tried something like this? TIA, Gili To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Article on YNet
Just for the curious could someone parphrase in english what this is all about? Thanks Aaron http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-2872838,00.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Things my Debian can't do
Aviram Jenik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm ashamed to admit there's one thing Redhat machines can do out of the box and my Debian can't, despite my many attempts to teach it. On Redhat, konsole performs copy on select - i.e. when selecting the text it is automatically copies it to the clipboard. Moreover, the konsole on Redhat doesn't even have copy in the edit menu, which means this is not an X hack but some configuration option in konsole. What exactly do you mean? That when you select (highlight) some text with the mouse it is automagically pasteable, i.e. it is enough to middle-click somewhere else to paste it? If this is what you want then this feature has been available on UNIX/X since time immemorial, and I use it about two zillion times a day to copy and paste between all sorts of applications. I also often double-click to select a word at point and triple-click to select the current line. It worked the same way on every UNIX/Linux/X system I used during the last 15 years or so... I don't even use konsole normally (I do use Red Hat, but I would be really surprised if it were any different on Debian), but just for you I have had a look at a konsole (on RH9) and Copy is the topmost item in its Edit menu... So you must have something else in mind, but this is the only thing that comes to my mind reading your description, and *now* I am intrigued... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with kernel 2.6
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 05:25:03PM +0200, Assaf Flatto wrote: UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/lowlevel.c:65:udf_get_last_session: CDROMMULTISESSION not supported: rc=-22 UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:1476:udf_fill_super: Multi-session=0 UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:464:udf_vrs: Starting at sector 16 (2048 byte sectors) Try searching google for `sector 16 (2048 byte sectors)' or some other strings from that message. For some reason I think I have seen it before. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw (sent by shaulk @ actcom . net . il) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Regexps
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about Re: Regexps: In general, handling string literals with regexps is not trivial, because you need to take into account escaped , as in foo \sna fu\ bar This may not be relevant for his situation. One situation in which I once used a similar trick to the one I posted earlier was in breaking up a CSV - comma separated values. In a CSV, the comma is the field separator (rather than the space in the poster's question), so a record might look like one,two,three,four,five Now, the convention is that if field 'two' is to be replaced by something containing a comma, say '1,2,3', the field is quoted with double-quotes: one,1,2,3,three,four,five And you're supposed to split this record up on commas that are not inside quotes. What happens if there are quotes in one of the field? Each double-quote is replaced by two of them, keeping the evenness of the number of quotes (quote parity) and allowing exactly the same method of splitting on commas, and allowing for an easy reverse transformation. For example, one,1,2,3,three,he said hello!,five or one,1,2,3,three,he said hi, man!,five In the last line you know you shouldn't seperate on the comma before 'man' because it has an odd number of quotes before (or after) it. Nice and simple :) At least, that is what I remember. Sadly, the Wikipedia entry on CSV is non-existant, so I'm using my memory as the source ;) Anyway, CSV is a simple record/field representation methods, but it is very rarely used in Unix (it is more common in the Windows world). Tab-seperated fields are, justifiably much more common - they are easier to use and usually enough (and if you need tabs, seperate the fields with some other character). -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Feb 10 2004, 19 Shevat 5764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-790466, ICQ 13349191 |A messy desk is a sign of a messy mind. http://nadav.harel.org.il |An empty desk is a sign of an empty mind. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Things my Debian can't do
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: What exactly do you mean? That when you select (highlight) some text with the mouse it is automagically pasteable, i.e. it is enough to middle-click somewhere else to paste it? But it is not in the clipboard. X carries two distinct concepts. One is the clipboard, working much like its Windows counterpart. The other is the X selection. When you highlight text, it goes into the X selection buffer. When you middle click, the X selection is pasted into wherever you clicked. Under Debian, konsole has copy and paste options that do what they say they do from the clipboard. I don't even use konsole normally (I do use Red Hat, but I would be really surprised if it were any different on Debian), but just for you I have had a look at a konsole (on RH9) and Copy is the topmost item in its Edit menu... So you must have something else in mind, but this is the only thing that comes to my mind reading your description, and *now* I am intrigued... I don't know what Aviram wants exactly. I believe he had better clarify this. Also, I personally like it very much that the two buffers are distinct. For some things the X selection is better, for others the clipboard is better. The best advantage the clipboard has over the X selection is that it is not volatile under random mouse clicks. If konsole would have automatically transferred everything into the clipboard, that would have been a major beature for me. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Systems Consulting http://www.lingnu.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Article on YNet
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 06:58:58PM +0200, Ely Levy wrote: what for? he is capitalist economics lecture isn't that punishment enough? what do you expect from those guys who spend their life making redicules theories which opensource totally ignore? would you think he would admit being wrong? Judging by his partial and selective choice of sources and the past we can know that he is not an ignorant. No point in educating him. It is possible to demostrate his errors to his readers and editors, if that is what you want. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Things my Debian can't do
On Tuesday 10 February 2004 19:17, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Aviram Jenik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm ashamed to admit there's one thing Redhat machines can do out of the box and my Debian can't, despite my many attempts to teach it. On Redhat, konsole performs copy on select - i.e. when selecting the text it is automatically copies it to the clipboard. Moreover, the konsole on Redhat doesn't even have copy in the edit menu, which means this is not an X hack but some configuration option in konsole. What exactly do you mean? That when you select (highlight) some text with the mouse it is automagically pasteable, i.e. it is enough to middle-click somewhere else to paste it? Ok, I obviously didn't explain myself right. X and KDE have two different clipboards and thus different copypaste schemes. My problem is not with the X copypaste, it is with the KDE one. On my Debian, when I select some text in the konsole KDE application (not the X console), I have to click Edit-Copy to copy the text into the clipboard. On Redhat, selecting the text puts it in the clipboard immediately (on the KDE clipboard, not the X one). Moreover, there's no Edit-Copy option in the konsole application in Redhat, so I know it's not an X trick but rather a KDE trick. Check it for yourselves: go to your nearest Redhat station, start KDE, run konsole and note there's no Edit-Copy. Do the same on Debian, and there *is* Edit-Copy. How come? -- - Aviram = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Article on YNet
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Aaron wrote: Just for the curious could someone parphrase in english what this is all about? Thanks Aaron http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-2872838,00.html This is a full translation, full of mother tongure interferance, though. Illusions that are sold to you about Linux - By Dr. Robert m. Saur The appearance of Linux and other open source programs as serious candidates in the market of computation is an important phenomena. The challenge they pose to MS and other software manufacturers will lead to greater competition, which will yield utilities and improvements to any consumer, business or private. Still, the process of the entrance of Linux and other open source programs to the market is accompanied by strong dissonances, which only harm. Linux vendors have recently been trying to present an utopian picture, as if their merchandise is technologically perfect, and a sort of turn point in the human history in general and in the software market in private. It is an illusion. Open source programs are commercial programs in every aspect. They are characterized by a different commercial model, but like any software they have technical faults and merits. For competition to evolve, things must be presented as they are, and consumers must be allowed to choose based on real data and information. The year of Linux -- Thus, for example, Mr Horev, manager of Oracle Israel, calls the year 2003 (in an article recently published in Yedioth Aharonot): For the first time since the entrance of Linux to the market over a decade ago, the system can be viewed as a cheaper and better alternative for Windows, he says. Mr Horev relates Linux's recent success to the commercial maturity this system has achieved, and to the fact that governmental systems all around the world have adopted it. The enthusiasm of Mr Horev from Linux is certainly understandable. Oracle, which made a large bet on the future of Linux (along with other software companies), has a clear interest in the matter as the vendor. But enthusiasm from Linux is one thing, and statistical proofs about the success of Linux is a totally different thing. As a matter of fact, after examining the data, the pink picture looks totally different. for example, let us examine the part of Linux in the global servers market. According to the research company IDC, on 1995 Linux's share was about 0%. By 2000 it jumped to 28%. But what has happened since then? Linux's share stayed more or less the same, and even dropped a bit. On the other hand, Windows's share in the global market of servers grew steadily in the said period: from 18% on 1995 to 49% on 2001. From the data it appears that Windows system does not lose height significantly. It seems that Linux entered the market at the expense of UNIX, much more than at the expense of Windows. Is Linux a lot Cheaper? - And what about the cost of Linux when compared to Windows? Is it not true that Linux is cheaper by far? Surprisingly enough, it is not necessarily so. the most reliable comparative cost review done so far (IDC's 2002 review) found out that the total cost of ownership of Windows is 11%-22% lower than Linux systems, according to the type of task, and only in one type Linux is 6% cheaper. Is the adoption of Linux by governments indeed so frequent, and does this signify technological superiority in any way? attempts to prefer open source as a rule by means of legislation have faced strong resistance and failed all over the world.In Israel, a law initiative on the subject by Kneset Member Nehama Ronen was overruled on this background. The state of Massachusetts has gone back on its intention to switch all the information systems to open source several days ago. It must be kept in mind, that governmental authorities are not always good at choosing the best companies in a competitional market, and they sometimes drag after passing fashions. The clerks of the ministry of finance, who have recently lead a public war against MS and for open source, have decided in the end to buy MS programs for full prince and continue to use them in the next years in all government ministries. Leave Philosophy to Philosophers It appears that a militant rhetoric speaking is not a substitute to a thorough examination of technological efficiency, which brought to the decision in this case as well. And finally, one cannot stand being amused by the philosophic spirit which accompanies the marketing efforts of Linux and other open source programs today, which are described as the incarnation of the freedom and democracy. The vendors, such as IBM, Oracle and Sun, have not reached cycles of tens of billions of dollars from selling licenses of freedom and democracy, but from selling software licenses. Even when they supposedly sell cheap Linux, they sell for a very high price completing
Re: Things my Debian can't do
Aviram Jenik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Check it for yourselves: go to your nearest Redhat station, start KDE, run konsole and note there's no Edit-Copy. Hmm... Depends on which RH station I am nearest to... On fully updated RH7.3 there is no copy indeed. On RH9 there is, as I mentioned before. Sorry, I have no idea what a clipboard is. What is it good for? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with kernel 2.6
Why are you stuck on such an ancient kernel? I used -test9, -test11 (where I found a tiny bug, fixed in 2.6.1) 2.6.0 and now 2.6.2 with no problems at all. This is on debian unstable. Can you try the newer ones? Good luck, --Amos Assaf Flatto wrote: Hello list I upgraded my kernel to 2.6 (2.6.0.0-test5 ) on my MDK9.1(with updates) . The compilation and install passed fine , but now i seem to have a problem with my CD-ROM . When i try and mount the cdrom root # mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom i get the error message mount : fs type iso9660 not supported by kernel . Checking the kernel config file for the comilation it is marked by default as module and not incorparated , when i tried to insert it my self root # modprobe iso9660 I get the following error FATAL: Error inserting isofs (/lib/modules/2.6.0-0.test5.1mdk/kernel/fs/isofs/isofs.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) FATAL: Error running install command for iso9660 And checking the dmesg i get the follwing output : [EMAIL PROTECTED] linux-2.6.0-0.test5.1mdk]# dmesg |grep 9660 UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:500:udf_vrs: ISO9660 Volume Descriptor Set Terminator found UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:491:udf_vrs: ISO9660 Primary Volume Descriptor found UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/lowlevel.c:65:udf_get_last_session: CDROMMULTISESSION not supported: rc=-22 UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:1476:udf_fill_super: Multi-session=0 UDF-fs DEBUG fs/udf/super.c:464:udf_vrs: Starting at sector 16 (2048 byte sectors) Has anyone encountered this prolem before ? and besides recompiling my kernel - is there another way for me to make my CD work ? ps - the eject command works with no problem . Assaf --- This e-mail message may contain confidential, commercial and privileged information or data that constitute proprietary information of Cellcom Israel Ltd. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use of this information or data by any other person is absolutely prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete all copies. Thank You. http://www.cellcom.co.il To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Your email is protected by Mailshell -- To block spam or change delivery options: http://www.mailshell.com/control.html?a=blshp8b9gc0rxhgk_srox_llfpptvypmvy7j FreshAddress.com http://rd.mailshell.com/ad482 Earn up to $3 for each of your friends who signs up with Mailshell! http://rd.mailshell.com/sp5 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Article on YNet
Thanks for the translation, A few notes. 1. I infact agree with Dr Saur on a few points. Linux software is infact the same as commercial software and competes against it. Good software is good software and bad software is bad software. Part of what makes Linux good is a Unix way of doing things which Windows software will never have by definition. 2. Even if Windoze is indeed cheaper (He definitely didn't prove it) I would still choose the Unix way of doing things. 3. Windows is not a good OS for Servers and I am sure his numbers are wrong. But still 49% (2001 is a bit old new) means that the more servers run a non-windows os. Man that 49% has to be wrong, who in their right mind would run a Windows server for mission critical applications? 4. Plain math says that a linux distro cost less than windows. 5. I wonder if this guy work for a certain Washington State company? Aaron Illusions that are sold to you about Linux - By Dr. Robert m. Saur The appearance of Linux and other open source programs as serious candidates in the market of computation is an important phenomena. The challenge they pose to MS and other software manufacturers will lead to greater competition, which will yield utilities and improvements to any consumer, business or private. Still, the process of the entrance of Linux and other open source programs to the market is accompanied by strong dissonances, which only harm. Linux vendors have recently been trying to present an utopian picture, as if their merchandise is technologically perfect, and a sort of turn point in the human history in general and in the software market in private. It is an illusion. Open source programs are commercial programs in every aspect. They are characterized by a different commercial model, but like any software they have technical faults and merits. For competition to evolve, things must be presented as they are, and consumers must be allowed to choose based on real data and information. The year of Linux -- Thus, for example, Mr Horev, manager of Oracle Israel, calls the year 2003 (in an article recently published in Yedioth Aharonot): For the first time since the entrance of Linux to the market over a decade ago, the system can be viewed as a cheaper and better alternative for Windows, he says. Mr Horev relates Linux's recent success to the commercial maturity this system has achieved, and to the fact that governmental systems all around the world have adopted it. The enthusiasm of Mr Horev from Linux is certainly understandable. Oracle, which made a large bet on the future of Linux (along with other software companies), has a clear interest in the matter as the vendor. But enthusiasm from Linux is one thing, and statistical proofs about the success of Linux is a totally different thing. As a matter of fact, after examining the data, the pink picture looks totally different. for example, let us examine the part of Linux in the global servers market. According to the research company IDC, on 1995 Linux's share was about 0%. By 2000 it jumped to 28%. But what has happened since then? Linux's share stayed more or less the same, and even dropped a bit. On the other hand, Windows's share in the global market of servers grew steadily in the said period: from 18% on 1995 to 49% on 2001. From the data it appears that Windows system does not lose height significantly. It seems that Linux entered the market at the expense of UNIX, much more than at the expense of Windows. Is Linux a lot Cheaper? - And what about the cost of Linux when compared to Windows? Is it not true that Linux is cheaper by far? Surprisingly enough, it is not necessarily so. the most reliable comparative cost review done so far (IDC's 2002 review) found out that the total cost of ownership of Windows is 11%-22% lower than Linux systems, according to the type of task, and only in one type Linux is 6% cheaper. Is the adoption of Linux by governments indeed so frequent, and does this signify technological superiority in any way? attempts to prefer open source as a rule by means of legislation have faced strong resistance and failed all over the world.In Israel, a law initiative on the subject by Kneset Member Nehama Ronen was overruled on this background. The state of Massachusetts has gone back on its intention to switch all the information systems to open source several days ago. It must be kept in mind, that governmental authorities are not always good at choosing the best companies in a competitional market, and they sometimes drag after passing fashions. The clerks of the ministry of finance, who have recently lead a public war against MS and for open source, have decided in the end to buy MS programs for full prince and continue to use them in the next years in all government ministries. Leave Philosophy to Philosophers It appears that a militant rhetoric speaking
Re: Windows Security Model (Configuring GDM to limit user actions)
Ez-Aton wrote: Well then, I'm just not the type. I'll elaborate. On Tuesday 10 February 2004 10:32, Oron Peled wrote: On Tuesday 10 February 2004 05:28, Ez-Aton wrote: ... starting from Windows 2000 (i don't count WinNT as a real OS anyhow), First an unrelated observation. Through the years I used to hear: Windows for Worgroups isn't real OS -- Win95 is true 32bit OS Win9X is just a graphical shell -- WinNT is modern design done by the same people who did VMS WinNT is obsolete -- W2K is the future and I'm waiting for: W2K is the old world OS -- W2K server and .Net are true revolution This isn't against you specifically Ez, every Win* user I know thinks the *previous* Windows sucks big time... isn't it weird? Not exactly. For some time now, Windows 2003 Server is at hand, and I still claim Windows 2000 to be a good product (generally speaking). Windows 2000 Server implements the AD mechanism (unlike Win2000 Pro), but it's not a kernel based part, but a module, you can run the system without (AD Maintenance mode). Wel, it would stand to reason Microsoft will include *some* enhancement in their newer products... I, for one, still see NT4 is the their best corporate desktop environment. It's not surprising that when faced with the prospect of migrating to w2k, the Linux/Samba combo suddenly appeared so appropriate. Personally I'll take any day my first old slackware (kernel 0.99pl14) with its FVWM (with GoodStuff config) -- it was functional, fast and stable. [snip] 3. For site-wide hierarchical management many use LDAP. It is already integrated in the important infrastructural applications -- login, (via pam) Mail (sendmail, postfix, imap4, etc.) and more. Agree. But it's not the native way of doing things, yet. Implementing an LDAP schema is based on picking up the correct schema, while, although it reduces the choise, AD (which is based on LDAP and Kerberos) has already built-in schema. So does any LDAP compliant directory (including OpenLDAP). You do not want to make up schema as you go along. Other ldap servers also offer much better documentation. [snip] I'm not sure I understand what you mean by enforced. Does it change the settings in the Explorer preferences? Than this is not enforcement because it depends on the cooperation of the Explorer program -- What would prevent a user modifing the behaviour of Explorer? security by obscurity. It changes the settings per computer in my Domain. Yes. You had proxy settings ten minutes ago, now you don't. You can't change them back (if I decide you can't), and even if you could, give the computer then minutes on the net, and they'll be back to what I've predefined. That's the power of the GPO. This is also the weakness of it. OGO does not modify the security of settings of the registry keys (as I assumed first time I used it), but overrides them with the server stored keys. This gives a reasonably intelligent user a window (hahaha) of opportunity. The correct place to enforce proxy settings is the firewall regardless of the OS. *One* of the places. I consider OGO to be a convenient method to deploy proxy settings, not to enforce them. How do you force Proxy (actually, in my case - no-proxy) settings for your clients on the firewall? Had I used a proxy, I could implement a transparent proxy, however, I didn't want them to use a proxy anyhow... A Linux note: The old way to set proxy was via environment variables -- this had the excelent effect that you can do it at whatever level you want: - For every user -- in system login scripts. - For a single user -- in his own login script. - For a single session -- on the command line. The only downside was you have to start the application for it to take effect. I wonder why modern browsers haven't left it as a *default*. Of course if they use GConf, we can still have these properties. True. I agree. The environment variable is a good tool, although limited. You can hardly prevent a user from overaiding your settings. I don't know GConf yet, so I can't commetn about it. and do most of whatever comes to your mind. Can you run scripts? If not, than it's good only for the simple cases of variable=value settings and not places where you need to run some logic. (It's true that most settings are these simple var=value cases). You can run scripts. CMD scripts, VBS scripts, and if clients can run perl/python/BASh, these too. You can run executebles on client computers, because inside an organization, there (must be) is a trust relationship. I'm not saying LDAP on a Linux machine is a bad thing, however I'm saying that on Win2k, and using their reemplementation of the LDAP into the AD mechanism, they did a good job. Not perfect, but a good one, towards central point of control in an organization. We should learn from their successes, and from their mistakes, towards doing what we do better. Ez.
Re: Article on YNet
good now we can have it slashdotted and then we'll see them:P Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Orna Agmon wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Aaron wrote: Just for the curious could someone parphrase in english what this is all about? Thanks Aaron http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,L-2872838,00.html This is a full translation, full of mother tongure interferance, though. Illusions that are sold to you about Linux - By Dr. Robert m. Saur The appearance of Linux and other open source programs as serious candidates in the market of computation is an important phenomena. The challenge they pose to MS and other software manufacturers will lead to greater competition, which will yield utilities and improvements to any consumer, business or private. Still, the process of the entrance of Linux and other open source programs to the market is accompanied by strong dissonances, which only harm. Linux vendors have recently been trying to present an utopian picture, as if their merchandise is technologically perfect, and a sort of turn point in the human history in general and in the software market in private. It is an illusion. Open source programs are commercial programs in every aspect. They are characterized by a different commercial model, but like any software they have technical faults and merits. For competition to evolve, things must be presented as they are, and consumers must be allowed to choose based on real data and information. The year of Linux -- Thus, for example, Mr Horev, manager of Oracle Israel, calls the year 2003 (in an article recently published in Yedioth Aharonot): For the first time since the entrance of Linux to the market over a decade ago, the system can be viewed as a cheaper and better alternative for Windows, he says. Mr Horev relates Linux's recent success to the commercial maturity this system has achieved, and to the fact that governmental systems all around the world have adopted it. The enthusiasm of Mr Horev from Linux is certainly understandable. Oracle, which made a large bet on the future of Linux (along with other software companies), has a clear interest in the matter as the vendor. But enthusiasm from Linux is one thing, and statistical proofs about the success of Linux is a totally different thing. As a matter of fact, after examining the data, the pink picture looks totally different. for example, let us examine the part of Linux in the global servers market. According to the research company IDC, on 1995 Linux's share was about 0%. By 2000 it jumped to 28%. But what has happened since then? Linux's share stayed more or less the same, and even dropped a bit. On the other hand, Windows's share in the global market of servers grew steadily in the said period: from 18% on 1995 to 49% on 2001. From the data it appears that Windows system does not lose height significantly. It seems that Linux entered the market at the expense of UNIX, much more than at the expense of Windows. Is Linux a lot Cheaper? - And what about the cost of Linux when compared to Windows? Is it not true that Linux is cheaper by far? Surprisingly enough, it is not necessarily so. the most reliable comparative cost review done so far (IDC's 2002 review) found out that the total cost of ownership of Windows is 11%-22% lower than Linux systems, according to the type of task, and only in one type Linux is 6% cheaper. Is the adoption of Linux by governments indeed so frequent, and does this signify technological superiority in any way? attempts to prefer open source as a rule by means of legislation have faced strong resistance and failed all over the world.In Israel, a law initiative on the subject by Kneset Member Nehama Ronen was overruled on this background. The state of Massachusetts has gone back on its intention to switch all the information systems to open source several days ago. It must be kept in mind, that governmental authorities are not always good at choosing the best companies in a competitional market, and they sometimes drag after passing fashions. The clerks of the ministry of finance, who have recently lead a public war against MS and for open source, have decided in the end to buy MS programs for full prince and continue to use them in the next years in all government ministries. Leave Philosophy to Philosophers It appears that a militant rhetoric speaking is not a substitute to a thorough examination of technological efficiency, which brought to the decision in this case as well. And finally, one cannot stand being amused by the philosophic spirit which accompanies the marketing efforts of Linux and other open source programs today, which are described as the incarnation of the freedom and democracy. The vendors, such as IBM,
RE: Article on YNet
Hmmm... It is the same person who wrote this article a while ago and a few members of this group including me responded directly to him. http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=747399fid=980 His article is definitely not technical and is not taken from a technical perspective. All I saw was number crunching and personal statements that sounds so biased and one sided. What exactly is his knowledge about those things? And to draw from what he said Leave Philosophy to Philosophers if the technology world is driven by economists alone and not by people who said that there is another way! we would have not progress. Last time an economist tried to run things by crunching the numbers was Robert S. McNamara and his policy lead to a disaster during and after the Vietnam War. Leave Philosophy to Philosophers and leave technology evolution to those who envision it and work to make it happen. I don't think we need to get excited each time a biased scholar with no real world experience wants to make a name for himself. Etay --- Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:47 AM To: Orna Agmon Cc: Linux-IL Subject: Re: Article on YNet Thanks for the translation, A few notes. 1. I infact agree with Dr Saur on a few points. Linux software is infact the same as commercial software and competes against it. Good software is good software and bad software is bad software. Part of what makes Linux good is a Unix way of doing things which Windows software will never have by definition. 2. Even if Windoze is indeed cheaper (He definitely didn't prove it) I would still choose the Unix way of doing things. 3. Windows is not a good OS for Servers and I am sure his numbers are wrong. But still 49% (2001 is a bit old new) means that the more servers run a non-windows os. Man that 49% has to be wrong, who in their right mind would run a Windows server for mission critical applications? 4. Plain math says that a linux distro cost less than windows. 5. I wonder if this guy work for a certain Washington State company? Aaron Illusions that are sold to you about Linux - By Dr. Robert m. Saur The appearance of Linux and other open source programs as serious candidates in the market of computation is an important phenomena. The challenge they pose to MS and other software manufacturers will lead to greater competition, which will yield utilities and improvements to any consumer, business or private. Still, the process of the entrance of Linux and other open source programs to the market is accompanied by strong dissonances, which only harm. Linux vendors have recently been trying to present an utopian picture, as if their merchandise is technologically perfect, and a sort of turn point in the human history in general and in the software market in private. It is an illusion. Open source programs are commercial programs in every aspect. They are characterized by a different commercial model, but like any software they have technical faults and merits. For competition to evolve, things must be presented as they are, and consumers must be allowed to choose based on real data and information. The year of Linux -- Thus, for example, Mr Horev, manager of Oracle Israel, calls the year 2003 (in an article recently published in Yedioth Aharonot): For the first time since the entrance of Linux to the market over a decade ago, the system can be viewed as a cheaper and better alternative for Windows, he says. Mr Horev relates Linux's recent success to the commercial maturity this system has achieved, and to the fact that governmental systems all around the world have adopted it. The enthusiasm of Mr Horev from Linux is certainly understandable. Oracle, which made a large bet on the future of Linux (along with other software companies), has a clear interest in the matter as the vendor. But enthusiasm from Linux is one thing, and statistical proofs about the success of Linux is a totally different thing. As a matter of fact, after examining the data, the pink picture looks totally different. for example, let us examine the part of Linux in the global servers market. According to the research company IDC, on 1995 Linux's share was about 0%. By 2000 it jumped to 28%. But what has happened since then? Linux's share stayed more or less the same, and even dropped a bit. On the other hand, Windows's share in the global market of servers grew steadily in the said period: from 18% on 1995 to 49% on 2001. From the data it appears that Windows system does not lose height significantly. It seems that Linux entered the market at the expense of UNIX, much more than at the expense of Windows. Is Linux a lot Cheaper? - And what
Re: Windows Security Model (Configuring GDM to limit user actions)
In the spirit of Know your enemy (well, actually I admit to be more MS oriented), I will drop my couple of cents... On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 13:41, Ez-Aton wrote: Well then, I'm just not the type. I'll elaborate. [snip] This isn't against you specifically Ez, every Win* user I know thinks the *previous* Windows sucks big time... isn't it weird? [skipping so not to start a flame bate] Not exactly. For some time now, Windows 2003 Server is at hand, and I still claim Windows 2000 to be a good product (generally speaking). Windows 2000 Server implements the AD mechanism (unlike Win2000 Pro), but it's not a kernel based part, but a module, you can run the system without (AD Maintenance mode). AD in general is a bunch of bundled services. You can remove AD from your server and can get it up and running back again. [snip] 3. For site-wide hierarchical management many use LDAP. It is already integrated in the important infrastructural applications -- login, (via pam) Mail (sendmail, postfix, imap4, etc.) and more. Agree. But it's not the native way of doing things, yet. Implementing an LDAP schema is based on picking up the correct schema, while, although it reduces the choise, AD (which is based on LDAP and Kerberos) has already built-in schema. Another important point is the lack of granular ACLs you can apply to OpenLDAP objects/attributes. AD here does IMHO much better job. It is not trivial, but very powerful. The ACL lets you easily delegate tasks to other people, while, when properly maintained, protecting you data. [snip] I think one of the problems we have in attaching security information to the user login, is that there are many cases of non-login usage: - Someone is running a process via rsh/ssh (this isn't login). - Someone is using my DISPLAY (consuming resources). - Someone is using my disk via NFS (again,... resources). - Packets are being routed via my computer (there are no user credentials in the packets at all..) Agree. In your spare time google for QoS Admission Control and IP Security Policy. In Microsoft world all the points you raised can be easily managed (although it is VERY rare to stumble on an sysadmin using those. Well... More points in my CV :) ) Let's combine the above points into a real-life scenario: I seat at computer A running via SSH a program on computer B (with its DISPLAY apears on A of course). The program was loaded from my NFS server C and establish a connection to a server D, and the packets are routed through router E. Now since the user activity is distributed, it's non-trivial to apply some central policy to his actions. See above. I can choke any Winbox in my network :) Not exactly. You could, through a central LDAP/other directory, which Computers A, B C are to AAA agains, the rules which apply to a specific user/computer. If you're permitted to use DISPLAY on other computer, but allowed to run only X,Y Z, that's what you'll run (Computer B now). Computer A asks if it's allowed to show DISPLAY, for who and from where, Computer B checks if you're allowed to run the software you're running, your server, D, checks what are your permissions regarding NFS, quota, etc, and computer E checks the source, target, and may be given details about your UID. If all computers are checking agains a directory located on computer F (with live replica to computer G), you could and should be able to maintain one security and permission directory service and tables, and no more. That's good for an organization. Sounds painful... I would prefer to see the services Kerberized. Much easier to manage. You are correct that having a central policy helps. But the hard question is if we can do it *without* sacrification of our distributed world (The network is the computer [McNeily]). No. See above. Kerberos based AAA anyone ? (I enforced Proxy settings for IE on every client computer just yesterday), I'm not sure I understand what you mean by enforced. Does it change the settings in the Explorer preferences? Than this is not enforcement because it depends on the cooperation of the Explorer program -- What would prevent a user modifing the behaviour of Explorer? security by obscurity. It changes the settings per computer in my Domain. Yes. You had proxy settings ten minutes ago, now you don't. You can't change them back (if I decide you can't), and even if you could, give the computer then minutes on the net, and they'll be back to what I've predefined. That's the power of the GPO. The correct place to enforce proxy settings is the firewall regardless of the OS. You think so ? Suppose you have a bunch of proxies and you want certain groups of users or computers to point to different proxies. Using GPO I can do it in a snap. How do you force Proxy (actually, in my case - no-proxy) settings for your
Fwd: [ISRAEMPLOY] JOBOPPS + UNIX SYS-ADMIN-freelancer (fwd)
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[SOLVED] Things my Debian can't do
I always knew there was nothing my Debian couldn't do :-) It was Jenya (me at oblom.com) who solved the mystery: quote Hey, It's not option of konsole, but option of Klipper: Synchronize contents of the clipboard and the selection. By default selection and clipboard are separated. /quote Right on the money! Copy on select with the KDE [c,k]lipboard. Apparently some Redhats come with this option configured, and some don't, but who cares anymore... Thanks to all those that replied! -- - Aviram = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Regexps
Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about Re: Regexps:
In general, handling string literals with regexps is not trivial,
because you need to take into account escaped , as in
foo \sna fu\ bar
This may not be relevant for his situation.
True, which is why I suggested a simple solution.
To tell you the truth, I knew of perl's lookahead, but I am not much
of a perl-monger and I didn't remember the syntax, and I don't know of
any regexp engine other than perl that supports this very useful
feature.[1]
So I thought of the most straightforward (not necessarily the best)
way to pair the quotes and process portions of the input accordingly.
What happens if there are quotes in one of the field? Each
double-quote is replaced by two of them, keeping the evenness of the
number of quotes (quote parity) and allowing exactly the same method
of splitting on commas, and allowing for an easy reverse
transformation.
Well, you are specifying an input convention that may or may not be
applicable. I am sure I don't need to give examples of usage of
backslash-escaped quotes in string literals.
The escape convention should be specified. From Tal's description, for
instance, it is not quite clear what the output from
Nadav said, Hi, Oleg, and turned back to his code.
should be - maybe the right output is reproducing the input verbatim
(there is no unquoted whitespace)? So I put a disclaimer about all
sorts of assumptions made, and only went through paired quotes, not
checking for more general odd/even cases. Of course, with an escape
sequence that is not based on merely doubling the escaped character
the odd/even rule breaks down, and I didn't think of it at all.
Another potential regexp pitfall is that - for better and for worse -
different regexp engines behave differently, to the point of matching
different things given the same regexp. Therefore, it may be unsafe to
ask for a regexp without specifying the type of engine (or a specific
tool, such as perl or awk). Find some issues with the regexp in the code
below[2].
[1] A really useful feature would be lookbehind, i.e. match
anything but a double quote unless *preceded* by an odd number of
consecutive backslashes. Not even perl supports that.
[2] Basing a parser on matching quoted strings as a whole will make it
a bit difficult reporting unmatched quotes. The code below does a
pretty good job on backslash-escaped quotes, but no warranty is
implied ;-)
#!/bin/gawk -f
function tail(str,len) { return substr(str,len+1,length(str)-len+1); }
function trprint(str) { gsub(/[ \t]+/,\n,str); printf(%s,str); }
{
str = $0;
pos = 0;
while (q = match(str,/([^\\]|\\.)*/,quoted)) {
# process as appropriate
trprint(substr(str,1,q-1));
printf(%s\n,quoted[0]);
# track progress for error reporting below
len = q+length(quoted[0]);
pos += len;
# move on
str = tail(str,len);
}
# at this point we have no quoted strings left
if (q = match(str,/.*$/)) {
printf(%s:%d: unmatched quote at position %d\n,
FILENAME,NR,pos+q) /dev/stderr;
exit(1);
}
# process what remains
trprint(str);
printf(\n);
}
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Re: Windows Security Model (Configuring GDM to limit user actions)
On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 02:17, Oron Peled wrote: On Tuesday 10 February 2004 23:49, Guy Teverovsky wrote: AD in general is a bunch of bundled services. You can remove AD from your server and can get it up and running back again. Does it mean it only affect other applications? or does the kernel somehow calls back AD to ask policy questions? This question is important because it ultimately determines the level of *enforcement* AD has over applications. This is because user space applications or libraries may be subverted in various ways and thus not respect the settings AD ordered them. Only kernel level enforcement will achieve the required effect in these cases. Let me re-phrase that: From the server(s) side: you can demote Domain Controller hosting an AD to stand-alone server. You can also boot the box without AD services loaded (used for AD restore/maintenance) Clients: you can disjoin the client from AD domain (need Addd/Remove computer to domain right - by default Local Admin). As long as the client computer is in the AD domain, the AD will enforce the security model of the client (you can control computer specific or user specific settings). I would not call it kernel level, but rather Local System Authority (LSA) level, which is not userland. I am having a hard time to define kernel level in NT based OSes (is it just me ?) Having local admin on the client might give you some leverage in default configuration and let you block the security model enforcements, but the local admin rights can be revoked using the same old buddy named GPO. So you might find yourself having local admin, but not being able to disjoin the machine from AD or block the enforcements. You can even restrict local logons without authenticating against AD. Heck... I once managed to lock myself out of a workstation by using to strict GPO and could not do anything even though I had local admin account :) Even if AD is user space only, it may still be very usefull as a central facility for controlling (cooperating) applications, but not as enforcement mechanism. Another important point is the lack of granular ACLs you can apply to OpenLDAP objects/attributes. AD here does IMHO much better job. It is not trivial, but very powerful. The ACL lets you easily delegate tasks to other people, while, when properly maintained, protecting you data. I'm not sure I follow you -- doesn't the 'access' directive in slapd.conf does exactly this? (man slapd.conf) You mean that you must restart the service ? AD does that on the wire (Ilya, thanks for pointing that out :) ). I am repeating myself, but... No inheritance, no inheritance blocking. OpenLDAP ACL is flat. Of course most (but not all) Linux filesystems don't support ACL's so your claim is valid when directed to the granularity of Linux file permissions. In your spare time google for QoS Admission Control and IP Security Policy. In Microsoft world all the points you raised can be easily managed (although it is VERY rare to stumble on an sysadmin using those. Well... More points in my CV :) ) That was interesting reading (BTW, net/sched/cls_rsvp.* implement this on standard Linux kernels at least since 2.2.19). However, to really control lan resources, the switches/routers should have some *authentication* mechanism to identify the DSBM -- otherwise people can easily highjack the network. Example: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg12432.html No I have to do some reading... Thanks for the pointer. I would prefer to see the services Kerberized. Now you hit the point. Kerberos solves the distributed services problem: - Because it is authenticated. - Because the client and the server don't have to trust each other. However, it seems that per user IP-policies (outside of the specific box) are still an illusion as IP packets don't carry the user information. We can dictate them only on cooperating hosts. Agreed. You can do you best to optimize the network, but meanwhile there are ways out. Guy -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
