Morning Dear Listers,
I am looking for the "right" solution for following problem.
I came recently across some of multicast setsockopt() calls that have their
structures defined in /usr/include/linux/ directory.
But you cannot leave without arpa/net functions such as htons() and alike.
Bu
On Sunday, 5 בFebruary 2012 19:37:05 Shlomi Fish wrote:
> I believe recent versions of Microsoft Office support ODT (I don't know how
> perfectly). At least I saw it in their file formats' drop box.
Stay away from this, it's a trap. Their implementation (unsurprisingly)
generates ODF that isn't re
On Sunday, 5 בFebruary 2012 15:52:45 Micha wrote:
> I can't seem to change page numbering (i.e suppress page numbering on
> some pages) or change head/footer format. One thing that microsoft does
> ok (but messes up a whole lot of others in return).
Huh? Page-styles are your friends. You can defin
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 10:26:51PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
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> On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Boaz Rymland wrote:
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>> yuck!
>
>
> So it was ok for SUN to buy StarOffice and give it away in order to
> reduce MS/Office sales?
> OpenOffice's free price and open source was a marketing tool to
Nobody said that M$ is the root of evil and Sun is the source of all good.
Even if the tactics and ways of M$ and Sun are equally ugly, and I really
can't answer on that, the key difference is that Sun is pushing a product
that first and foremost promotes open standards and that is *good*. As
long
On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Boaz Rymland wrote:
yuck!
So it was ok for SUN to buy StarOffice and give it away in order to
reduce MS/Office sales?
OpenOffice's free price and open source was a marketing tool too.
Before you go "you must be anti FOSS" on me, bear in mind there were
many
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Micha wrote about "Re: Preparing to convince to
> shift to non-propriety documents formats":
> > I didn't check it and don't know how it applies to school children, but
> > I was told that as a student with a valid student
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 15:40:05 +0200
Boaz Rymland wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
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> >
> >
> > 2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland
> >
> >>
> >> of course the whole reason to this thread and me contacting the principal
> >> is the fsck'ed up document. The document appears badly
On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
This doesn't make any sense. Like I said, virtually everyone in the
country either has school-aged children, or can easily find one - so
who
*won't* get a free MS license if this was the deal?
Why does that not make sense? The licenses are f
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Micha wrote about "Re: Preparing to convince to shift to
non-propriety documents formats":
> I didn't check it and don't know how it applies to school children, but
> I was told that as a student with a valid student ID you can get a free
> license for MS software, renewed ye
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > right, but don't forget that to in order to "read only" a document, you
> > don't need a google account - just a publicly readable document who's
> link
> > you've got, AFAIK. That's of course hardly a full solution but I'm going
> to
> >
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:14:09 +
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 03:52:18PM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:44:21AM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
> > >
> > > > Google docs is a good but not the
2012/2/5 Oleg Goldshmidt
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>
> 2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland
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> HTML>
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>> I think that's not the best solution.
>>
>
> I agree. I use the opposite (HTML->doc) suggestion when i need to send
> something to someone who absolutely must have a Word doc, that's why i
> thought of it.
>
> What I didn't re
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Eli Billauer wrote:
> Besides, I have a faint memory of a limitation on the total RAM allocatable
> inside the kernel. Was it 512MB? Has this limitation vanished?
You can reserve more memory for kernel side processing using
echo size_in_kb > > /proc/sys/vm/min_fr
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Micha wrote:
> On 05/02/2012 14:14, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about "Re: Preparing to
> convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats":
> >> student/home version of office (Word and Execel but no Outlook
> >> (sch
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 03:52:18PM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:44:21AM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
> >
> > > Google docs is a good but not the best alternative. Google is
> > > yet-another-corporate that even if
2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland
HTML>
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> I think that's not the best solution.
>
I agree. I use the opposite (HTML->doc) suggestion when i need to send
something to someone who absolutely must have a Word doc, that's why i
thought of it.
What I didn't realize when I typed my suggestion was that Word 20
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> implementations. However relying on in-line remarks in the PDF file,
> which is, AFAIK, supported only by the Adobe reader, is not a good idea.
>
I think okular handles it (RW) without a hitch. Unless you mean something
different from what
Even if true my point is different: my computer cannot be installed with
that claimed free software from MS. My laptop runs linux and that's not
somthing that is going to change, even if offered free windoze and office.
Sent from my mobile phone
>
> I didn't check it and don't know how it applies
Another issue is that at schools the kids are asked to use a site
named 'ofek' which it doesn't run under linux and my kids are force to
run windows in vmware,...
another site that kids have access for free if they login through ofek
is brainpop.
It's hard to explain to your kids to suffer their la
On 05/02/2012 16:20, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
>
> On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Micha wrote:
>>
>> That is not so true any more with today's kids. I don't have a kid at
>> that age yet, but good friends of ours do and I think that about half
>> their class are using macs (and iPods and ipads). Thei
On Feb 5, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Micha wrote:
That is not so true any more with today's kids. I don't have a kid at
that age yet, but good friends of ours do and I think that about half
their class are using macs (and iPods and ipads). Their child actually
has to use the mother's computer half the t
On 05/02/2012, at 03:40, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> Why? Forget Linux. Do Macs come with Word pre-installed (today)? How much
> does an Office license cost (e.g., if one runs it in WINE)?
Microsoft publishes a full Office suite for Mac. Unfortunately its Hebrew
capability is literally unusable.
On 05/02/2012 14:14, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about "Re: Preparing to
> convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats":
>> student/home version of office (Word and Execel but no Outlook
>> (scheduling/email) and Access (database)) which can be fou
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:44:21AM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
>
> > Google docs is a good but not the best alternative. Google is
> > yet-another-corporate that even if more "public friendly", not a fully
> > M$-Office substitute.
>
> In othe
On 05/02/2012 13:57, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about "Re: Preparing to
> convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats":
>> It depends. I can't speak to it directly, my Hebrew level is such
>> that a crayon would be enough, but my son who
On 05/02/2012 12:45, Mordechai Behar wrote:
> I had a similar experience.
> I recently switched to a different college in a renewed attempt to gain
> my undergraduate in Compsci. Much to my chagrin I discovered that this
> college, which bills itself as being a technological college, is firmly
> en
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
>
>
> 2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland
>
>>
>> of course the whole reason to this thread and me contacting the principal
>> is the fsck'ed up document. The document appears badly in LibreOffice
>> and Google docs (imported). I verified this since sept.
I fully agree. Having *whatever* percentage of distributed material
requiring *whatever* percentage of students to spend hundreds (or even
tens) of NIS on HW/SW in order to cooperate is *totally
unacceptable*especially in light of no-cost alternatives (SW only of
course. HW will
still be needed).
On 05/02/2012 12:14, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
>
> On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
>>
>> Why? Forget Linux. Do Macs come with Word pre-installed (today)? How
>> much does an Office license cost (e.g., if one runs it in WINE)?
>>
>
> It's almost irrelevant. Most Macs come with
2012/2/5 Boaz Rymland
>
> of course the whole reason to this thread and me contacting the principal
> is the fsck'ed up document. The document appears badly in LibreOffice
> and Google docs (imported). I verified this since sept. 1st till now, on a
> weekly basis. Yes, OO does read the document a
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about "Re: Preparing to convince
to shift to non-propriety documents formats":
> student/home version of office (Word and Execel but no Outlook
> (scheduling/email) and Access (database)) which can be found on sale
> for as low as 300 NIS for a three
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, geoffrey mendelson wrote about "Re: Preparing to convince
to shift to non-propriety documents formats":
> It depends. I can't speak to it directly, my Hebrew level is such
> that a crayon would be enough, but my son who is in high school was
> told by the school to use M
On Feb 5, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Eh, reading comprehension failure on my part again: the OP's problem
is not with home assignments but with school-wide distribution such
as weekly schedule. This renders the Word requirement - or even a
computer requirement - even less r
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:44:21AM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
> Google docs is a good but not the best alternative. Google is
> yet-another-corporate that even if more "public friendly", not a fully
> M$-Office substitute.
In other words: while an account at Google does not cost money,Google
Docs
On Feb 5, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Now, I would assume that most on the parents in this discussion are
qualified professionals with reasonably well paying jobs, and I
would not be surprised if most had multiple computers at home, etc.
Let's face it, it's not a representativ
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
>
> I am ignorant of today's school procedures - whatever happened to "your
> homework is exercises 15.1 through 15.8 in your manual"? Or "write down
> your homework" at the end of the class? Or handouts? Why emailing is
> necessary?
>
Eh,
I wouldn't say Linux as it confused people (worked in university, don't think
that it would work at school). But you can to with tablet (iPad/android). Those
cost money to open word and still have a lot of issues if they do. PDF works
but is not editable. Not sure if there is an editable solutio
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:14 PM, geoffrey mendelson <
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With the high price of Macs here many parents just buy cheap PC's with
> Windows bundled
Well, whatever the bar chart of different HW/OS sightings may be in Israel,
this IMHO utterly fails as an argument
I had a similar experience.
I recently switched to a different college in a renewed attempt to gain my
undergraduate in Compsci. Much to my chagrin I discovered that this
college, which bills itself as being a technological college, is firmly
entrenched in the Microsoft field. I tried talking to ea
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Boaz Rymland wrote about "Re: Preparing to convince
> to shift to non-propriety documents formats":
> > I bet it cannot read my teacher's document!
>
> Before you go and complain about some supposed facts, I think you sh
On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Why? Forget Linux. Do Macs come with Word pre-installed (today)? How
much does an Office license cost (e.g., if one runs it in WINE)?
It's almost irrelevant. Most Macs come with an Apple Office suite
(Pages, etc) which has little to no
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Boaz Rymland wrote about "Re: Preparing to convince to
shift to non-propriety documents formats":
> I bet it cannot read my teacher's document!
Before you go and complain about some supposed facts, I think you should
verify that they are really correct facts. Is OpenOffice
On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Etzion Bar-Noy wrote:
Because most households in israel do not buy their office...
It would be stupid to assume they do. Moreover - the school
headmaster does not assume that either. He/she knows most people
just "have" their office installed, and they care noth
Well, the real reason is that the buffers in the kernel are allocated as
DMA memory. So it's not just a matter of getting hold of a lot of
memory, but a lot of memory which is continuous in its physical space.
Or more precisely, a lot of continuous buffers which are fairly large.
One could, of
> It is not reasonable to ask everyone to install Acroread, or anything else
> that is not available by default when you buy a computer from Office Depot.
> You would have to send out an instruction sheet and call a parents meeting
> to explain why this is necessary. You think that they will do thi
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 10:04:07 +0200
From: Oleg Goldshmidt
To: Nadav Har'El
Cc: linux-il , Jonathan Ben Avraham
Subject: Re: Preparing to convince to shift to non-propriety documents formats
What are the school's arguments for not accepting a PDF?
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012, Etzion Bar-Noy wrote about "Re: Preparing to convince to
shift to non-propriety documents formats":
> Because most households in israel do not buy their office...
I was hoping that even if this is true, and everybody knows this is
true, no school principal would dare raise t
What are the school's arguments for not accepting a PDF? The unsurmountable
difficulty of installing acroread on the teachers' computers? Or is
acroread so hopelessly behind the times that it does not allow marking and
annotating? If the latter, then OOO...
I think the principal should agree that
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Nadav Har'El wrote:
>
> I believe my Android can read Microsoft Office documents out of the
> box :( But it's true, with all these non-Microsoft devices around,
> Microsoft's stranglehold on the word processor document seems to be
> coming to an end.
>
I bet it can
Because most households in israel do not buy their office...
It would be stupid to assume they do. Moreover - the school headmaster does
not assume that either. He/she knows most people just "have" their office
installed, and they care nothing about it.
Ez
On Feb 5, 2012 9:12 AM, "Nadav Har'El"
Ori,
While technically you might be correct - I'll take your word for it - this
argument is hardly a relevant or helping to convince her. If I say that to
her, in the best case she'll reply "what the hell are you talking about
Boaz? The system currently works, everyone are getting their weekly
sche
Hi,
thanks for the answer (and allow me to thank following commenters to whom I
reply soon as well).
Please see some comment below.
2012/2/5 Jonathan Ben Avraham
> Hi Boaz,
> The time is not ripe. Don't waste your energy. Your school principal will
> not know what you are talking about and will
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