Re: What is ARP? [ Was Re: A 2 hosts Ethernet network with a255.255.255.254 netmask. ]
You are right that when I ping x.x.x.x I do know the IP address. Yet according to the DSL-HOWTO/appendix.html ARP Address Resolution Protocol. Converts MAC addresses to IP addresses. The way I read this is that an ARP request would send the MAC and expect the IP in return. That is, what is known is the MAC and what is looked after is the IP. If my understanding is correct then what both of us are missing is how this integrates into Ethernet communication. There is no Conversion. You ping a host, your machine doesn't know the MAC address(unless it's in cache). Your machine sends a packet to the destination IP, with a MAC address destination of 0x. All machines process this at the data-link layer, but only the machine with the pertinent destination IP replys, with it's MAC address. Then, proper TCP handshaking or whatever can occur. This is of course an example when the destination machine is on the LAN. This information is available on the web. Please be so kind as to read it. It's extremely basic networking information. Amir. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: accessing physical mem
On ?, 2003-07-11 at 20:19, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Erez Doron wrote: well, /dev/mem let me only access real memory, not the adress space of the pci cards I positive that you CAN in fact access pci card address space via /dev/mem, because this is how XFree86 does it when it's running in non accelerated cards. http://hmuller.home.cern.ch/hmuller/FLIC/samplecode.c Seems like this affirms Gilad's reply. Amir. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A 2 hosts Ethernet network with a 255.255.255.254 netmask.
On ?, 2003-07-10 at 00:23, Shaul Karl wrote:
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 03:35:49PM +0300, Amir Sela wrote:
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Network Broadcast Netmask Hosts
192.168.1.0 192.168.1.63255.255.255.192 62
192.168.1.64192.168.1.127 255.255.255.192 62
192.168.1.128 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.128 124 (see note)
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Note: the reason the last network has only 124 usable network
addresses (not 126 as would be expected from the network mask) is that
it is really a 'super net' of two subnetworks. Hosts on the other two
networks will interpret 192.168.1.192 as the network address of the
'non-existent' subnetwork. Similarly, they will interpret
192.168.1.191 as the broadcast address of the 'non-existent'
subnetwork.
So, if you use 192.168.1.191 or 192 as host addresses on the third
network, then machines on the two smaller networks will not be able to
communicate with them.
\begin{interruptRequest}
How does the 2 smaller networks know that 192.168.1.191 and 192 were
initially a broadcast and network addresses? Would they treat any one of
192.168.*.19[12] in the same way?
\end{interruptRequest}
I start feeling that someone should tell me straight in the face that
I should do a lot of reading before posting another message after this
one.
You need to do a lot of reading :)
First of all, just to make sure we're on solid ground - you need to
realize that once you subnet, the lowest common denominator is used,
that is, as in the example, if you have 8 bits of hosts, and decided to
subnet that to 1100, you now have 4 subnetworks. Essentially what
they did in the example was a two stage operation:
A) create 4 different subnetworks - subnetmask(in our case) is 26 bits
B) supernet between two of the newly created subnetworks - subnetmask
is 25 bits on two of the subnetworks.
Must I begin with 4 subnetworks and then merge 2 of them in order to
end up with exactly those 3 subnetworks? The answer is probably yes and
the reason for this is what I fail to understand.
Practically speaking, you don't need to actually do that. You simply
need to give a /25 subnetmask to the 124 upper hosts, and /26
subnetmasks to the 2x62 lower ones. But as I've stated before, the
reason is simply the way TCP-IP works. With such subnetmasks, 192 is not
a host ID. It's a network ID.
192.168.0.192/26 - 110.10101000..1100/26
| |||
\\//\-\/-/
Network ID Host ID
So, from the point of view of 192.168.0.15/26, 192 is a network
number, not a complete IP (network number+host ID which is not all zeros
or all ones). This is why it will be unavailable from the two smaller
networks. If the subnetmask is /25, as it is with the 124 upper hosts,
those IP addresses can be used. But since you would obviously want the
hosts on the two smaller networks to be able to communicate with all
computers on the large network, you can't use these addresses.
I'm stating this because your question was defocused. the 2 smaller
networks know that 192.168.1.191 and 192 are special addresses,
because they still are. Lets assume that our networks are A,B,CD.
When the tcp-ip stack in a host in A initializes, it ANDs its own IP
address against the subnetmask to determine its home network number.
Then, every outgoing packet goes through the same process. if the
resulting bit string is different than that host's own result, the
packet is known to be out of this host's network, and the ARP request is
made to the default gateway, for forwarding.
An ARP request? What for? Is it to find the MAC of the default
gateway? ARP maps the MACs into IPs, doesn't it? An ARP request would
send the MAC address and expects to get in reply the IP that correspond
that MAC, isn't it?
Wrong. it's the other way around. When you ping x.x.x.x, the computer
knows the IP already. You just typed it, didn't you? What it doesn't
know is the MAC address of the computer with this IP, so proper
one-to-one communication can't be established. So, an ARP request is
sent to request that the computer with the pertaining IP reply its MAC
address.
What will happen with 191
is that you will be requesting the host on subnet A to send a broadcast
packet to network C
Why would a host on subnet A consider 191 to be a broadcast address?
Why it wouldn't consider 192.168.*.191 to be all broadcast addresses?
See above. 192.168.*.191 is completely irrelvant here. with subnet masks
of /24
Re: A 2 hosts Ethernet network with a 255.255.255.254 netmask.
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Network Broadcast Netmask Hosts
192.168.1.0 192.168.1.63255.255.255.192 62
192.168.1.64192.168.1.127 255.255.255.192 62
192.168.1.128 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.128 124 (see note)
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Note: the reason the last network has only 124 usable network
addresses (not 126 as would be expected from the network mask) is that
it is really a 'super net' of two subnetworks. Hosts on the other two
networks will interpret 192.168.1.192 as the network address of the
'non-existent' subnetwork. Similarly, they will interpret
192.168.1.191 as the broadcast address of the 'non-existent'
subnetwork.
So, if you use 192.168.1.191 or 192 as host addresses on the third
network, then machines on the two smaller networks will not be able to
communicate with them.
\begin{interruptRequest}
How does the 2 smaller networks know that 192.168.1.191 and 192 were
initially a broadcast and network addresses? Would they treat any one of
192.168.*.19[12] in the same way?
\end{interruptRequest}
First of all, just to make sure we're on solid ground - you need to
realize that once you subnet, the lowest common denominator is used,
that is, as in the example, if you have 8 bits of hosts, and decided to
subnet that to 1100, you now have 4 subnetworks. Essentially what
they did in the example was a two stage operation:
A) create 4 different subnetworks - subnetmask(in our case) is 26 bits
B) supernet between two of the newly created subnetworks - subnetmask
is 25 bits on two of the subnetworks.
I'm stating this because your question was defocused. the 2 smaller
networks know that 192.168.1.191 and 192 are special addresses,
because they still are. Lets assume that our networks are A,B,CD.
When the tcp-ip stack in a host in A initializes, it ANDs its own IP
address against the subnetmask to determine its home network number.
Then, every outgoing packet goes through the same process. if the
resulting bit string is different than that host's own result, the
packet is known to be out of this host's network, and the ARP request is
made to the default gateway, for forwarding. What will happen with 191
is that you will be requesting the host on subnet A to send a broadcast
packet to network C(again, by definition, supernetting 2 smaller
networks out of 4 is completely transparent to hosts in the 2 small
networks). And with 192, you'll be requesting the host on subnet A to
send a packet to the network address of network D. Both of these cases
are obviously broken.
The funny thing is that the so called CD network does not really exist.
Supernetting is actually a sort of a hack. you simply remove 1 bit on
all the hosts on networks C and D, and it just works.. You couldn't
have supernetted it AC,D,B, for example. You should play a bit with the
binary versions of the IP addresses to get a hang of this..
To summon it up: from the two other networks' point of view, you're
trying to send packets to broadcast and network addresses. And they know
it because they're supposed to know it. Their subnet masks tells them
that. Hosts in A would say something like Hey.. if hosts in C and D
want to ignore proper subnet mask rules, it's their own lookout. I still
know 191 and 192 are special addresses, and that's how I'll treat them
I hope this helps..
Amir.
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Re: PPPoE and Alcatel Home
On ?, 2003-07-07 at 22:29, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi, Is there any way for me to connect to ADSL using Alcatel Speed Touch Home? I would rather, if I can at all avoid it, to not change it's firmware, at least not to the pro version. If by that you mean you want to use your Alcatel with PPPoE rather than the tedious pptp on Redhat, you can easily change your modem's configuration according to the instructions in: http://www.isoc.org.il/%7Edoron/PPPoE.html Then, all you have to do (On the recent Redhat releases, anyways) is run adsl-setup. You might want to avoid the save settings option when changing the modem to pppoe, so that if you ever want to change back to pptp, you simply need to restart the modem. I've been using pppoe for about a month now, and I've noticed numerous disconnections - at least 10 a week. When I used pptp, the frequency of disconnections was roughly once per week. I haven't switched back to pptp to confirm that this indeed is the problem (I try to avoid using packages not from the official pool), so if anyone wants to report their experience with pppoe, I'd be happy to hear it. Amir. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.1 is out.
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 12:15, Ely Levy wrote: no mandrake RPMs either... Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Lior Kesos wrote: Amir Tal wrote: On Monday 27 January 2003 22:17, Amir Sela wrote: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/ What's the deal with the redhat - kde relationship? Did that bluecurve/bero-quiting incident kill our chances to get KDE rpms when major versions are released? Is anybody in redhat in charge of KDE connections? Is this the beginning of the segmentation between europe and the states leading to World War Three ... woh I think I got a little carried away ... There are no Debian unstable packages as well. It IS only officially released today. Obviously it takes a bit of time until they populate the ftp with distro-specific packages. I hope they'll be quick about it, though :) Amir. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE 3.1 is out.
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1/ Amir Sela. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Chat 1.9.3 with built-in Bidi(Pango) and AA works nice.
Personally, I've been wanting to ditch ksirc for ages now in favor of X-Chat, but I missed my AA'ed fonts too much. It seems that X-Chat 1.9.3 compiles fine, and the hebrew Bidi support works as well(No need for --enable-hebrew). To enable the Bidi support just replace #define USE_XFT 1 with #define USE_PANGO 1 in config.h and compile. (Thanks DCoder) To use AA : export GDK_USE_XFT=1 before running xchat(It seems that X-Chat doesn't use Pango to actually render the text with Xft or ft2, so this is relevant). This probably comes as old news to some of you, but I decided to post this on the off-chance that others have wanted to use it as much as I did, and maybe I can save some trouble to others trying to achieve the same thing. A few bugs that can be worked-around : 1) If it fails to load because of some font it can't find (It looked for some obscure font that was not present on my Debian Sid installation until I apt-get'ed some font-pack package), manually change the text_font = line in ~/.xchat2/xchat.conf to whatever font you want. Here it's text_font = Arial 12. 2) Changing the font within the GUI _does_ work, it simply needs a restart of X-Chat. Ignore the error and just restart X-Chat. Hope this will help, Amir. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange Bind messages
On Wednesday 23 October 2002 10:55, FW Admin wrote: Hello list, I have significant amount of the below messages in /var/log/messages for Bind: client 10.106.3.15#3771: updating zone 'xx.com/IN': update failed: 'RRset exists (value dependent)' prerequisite not satisfied (NXRRSET): 1 Time(s) All the clients are the internal w2k machines, and i have about 10 IPs. What update stands for ? It is not zone transfer. Also, i did not find anything suspicious on the client machines at least none has DNS server installed :-) Hello FW(Or is it Mr. Admin?), I would assume what you're seeing in the logs is the failed attempts of your client machine's DNS update messages. This is of course, not a Bind issue, but a W2k issue. The W2k workstations, being naturally insecure about themselves, want to see their hostnames in your Bind DB files (Much like young hoodlums spraying their names on public walls). Uncheck the Register this machine's name in the DNS(or something similar to that line) checkbox in the Advanced TCP/IP propetries's DNS tab. Amir. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Knoppix + Hebrew
Knoppix seems to be based on RedHAt, but has drifted a bit away. Knoppix is Debian based. The say it themselves on their site. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Q: LINUX courses in Israel
On Thursday 10 October 2002 12:18, Lior Kesos wrote: Karasik, Vitaly wrote: We're looking for LINUX Basics/LINUX programming course providers. As you probably know, there are IBM/John Bryce/Interbit/Sivan/others. Do you have any good/bad experience with these courses? Vitaly *I know that Sivan used to provide a RHCE certification program but hard times may have killed that initiative ... That program is alive and kicking. Sivan was, and still is, a certified RedHat training center. RHCE tests are still being administered whenever needed. Due to the nature of this exam(it's a lot more complicated to setup and perform than any other Prometric based examinations), it is not as commonplace as Prometric based certifications, but it does exist. One such test will be given this month, actually. Regarding the courses themselves: These are strictly administration oriented courses, and do not provide any programming/scripting knowledge whatsoever(The official curriculum doesn't, anyways. The instructor can insert such material into the course if he wishes). There are RedHat programming courses, they're simply not being taught in Israel(Sivan is the only school allowed to give RedHat courses) Other schools like hi-tech also have linux courses, but they're not RedHat courses(Which is by no means a given that they're lesser in quality or coverage of the material) Amir Sela. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Thursday 03 October 2002 23:56, Meir Michanie wrote: Hi list: I installed rh8 and xmms was unable to play mp3, running rpm -ql xmms I saw that libmpeg123.so and libmpeg123.la was missing from the packet. So I copied from another machine running rh7.3 Isn't it weird? From http://www.xmms.org/ : Redhat 8 + Can't play mp3's? Oct 02, 2002 If you are using Redhat 8 and the supplied RPMS of XMMS you will find that it is not possible to load any mp3 files. Redhat was supposed to have a placeholder plugin informing you of the change, but that seems to have gone missing. Available here is some additional information and a mpg123 RPM for Redhat 8 installation of XMMS. Hopefully, I've made myself clear on this subject, since Redhat apparently failed to get their message through. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Raanaa Instalation Party
Promised from above: ***2. Hub/Switch (8 or more ports would be SO nice)*** Comments? I can bring a 24 port switch-hub to the event, if needed. I can also supply a few fairly long STP cables, but I'm sure this is easily attained anyways. I can also burn (not on-site, at home) discs, if I'll be given instructions as to how much, and what to burn. Naturally, I'll be happy to assist in the actual installation process. Amir Sela. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How different is the resulting code, benchmark-wise ?
Marc stated he did not benchmark.. Now, I'm not a kernel hacker or even an avid programmer, but I'm wondering - How significant are the differences in the resulting code, be it user-space programs or kernel-code ? Does it amount to anything larger than a 10% difference ? Amir To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Simulating a high latency link on a LAN using netfilter
Hey all. Anyone knows of a netfilter module that can be used (or any other way) to deliberately stall a packet in the router ? I want to create a situation in which machine A communicates with machine C on a LAN, through machine B, the linux router, and to stall the packets for a pre-determined amount of time. I've thought of course of overloading the router to the point where it lags naturally, but that's a bit of a crude solution. Thanks, Amir To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Simulating a high latency link on a LAN using netfilter
On Tuesday 04 June 2002 16:54, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Amir Sela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone knows of a netfilter module that can be used (or any other way) to deliberately stall a packet in the router ? I want to create a situation in which machine A communicates with machine C on a LAN, through machine B, the linux router, and to stall the packets for a pre-determined amount of time. I can think of a couple of ways to do it with a little bit of C coding. 1) hack the proper place in the kernel. I'm not a kernel hacker, so I think the learning curve on this one would be quite large(understated). 2) fully user-space solution: a) grab every incoming packet with pcap b) set iptables to DROP the packet (or ipchains to DENY, what have you) alternatively, iptables supports a QUEUE chain which is supposed to pass the packet to userland; it should be supported by the kernel to work, and I have never tried it (I did the a+b trick with ipchains - for a different purpose), so I don't know if it has the same effect as a+b here. c) once you've got the packet in userland, you can wait for a fixed amount of time dt, wait for a random dt with a given distribution using a random number generator, wait for different amounts of time based on its parameters (maybe it's better to do _this_ with iptables, if possible, in order not to send packets you don't want to delay to userspace), etc. d) having waited for time dt, send the packet to a raw socket; don't forget to set IP_HDRINCL option. That IS simpler. Even though I'm a bit less oblivious about userland programming than kernel hacking, this would still require a bit of time to do, as I'm unexperienced. Nevertheless, if I won't find any pre-made tool to achieve this, I think I'll try and do it. I think it can be a very handy tool in testing enviroments. Thanks :) I think option 2 is simpler, you want a delay so you don't care about the inefficiency of passing every packet to userspace, you don't touch the router's kernel, and userspace allows you much more flexibility. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mouse suddenly off center
Well, from the details you gave, it might be reasonable to assume that the problem is related to hardware cursor handling.. You did not state what driver you are using for X display... So the general advice would be to disable hardware cursor handling in your XF86Config and see if it helps in any way. I might be completely off, of course, but it's worth a shot. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: official hebrew in Linux-IL mailing lists?
On Friday 17 May 2002 19:50, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I don't believe that the Hebrew language is connected to being a newbie or not. I do believe however that it is connected to the size of some individuals ego. I believe nadav mentioned that until recently the technion made them use Hebrew in their thesis. Do you actually clame that these people until recently were all newbies? I What in the WORLD does that have to do with the fact that newbies usually use hebrew ? stop trying to discredit people just for the sake of discrediting. All I said is that from my experience, the newbies usually like to use hebrew, which is true. the fact the technion forces people to use english has no bearing whatsoever on what i said. think that stating that the use of Hebrew in this mailing list will make you a newbie, is just the stereotypes people have long used to constrain other people to their habits and their reluctance to accept progress. Emm With all due respect, I don't think you you even heard my opinion regarding hebrew IN LINUX-IL. I for one, wouldn't mind it one bit. All I was suggesting saying is that a second mailing list, supporting hebrew, will be a solution acceptable to ALL OF US. I really dont understand where is this belligerence coming from. Whether Hebrew is appropriate from a practical sense like non-Hebrew speaking members, or people not being able to view Hebrew messages (I don't believe writing Hebrew should be mandatory since many words cannot be translated to English), that's for the list community to decide. My standpoint, is that people should be allowed to write both English and Hebrew on the list. But only if all the members will agree to that. It is a Jewish tradition to accept the minority view on these matters, so if there are Iranian or other foreign individuals that would object, I believe we should respect their view in spite of my or the majority sentiment. Jewish Traditions ? Huh ? I think you're taking this from the CORRECT context of simpleness and portability between the list's users onto remote and unneccesary philosophic areas. This really isn't complicated. All I said is that a second list permitting hebrew might be the simplest solution. Again, I don't see why is this complicated, or why does it turn me into a bigot to KNOW that new users prefer to ask questions in hebrew. Amir. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: official hebrew in Linux-IL mailing lists?
I think you should cool it as well, and if you don't want to converse with me, i suggest you simply don't reply to my posts. A mailing list is STILL composed out of personal postings, which people reply to. So if you reply to my words, you reply to me. And whatever you say, bringing in jewish tradition into the discussion is simply laughable. However eloquently you put it. And with this, I end this ridiculous dialog. On Friday 17 May 2002 22:56, Tzahi Fadida wrote: -Original Message- From: Amir Sela [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Linux-IL Mailing List Subject: Re: official hebrew in Linux-IL mailing lists? On Friday 17 May 2002 19:50, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I don't believe that the Hebrew language is connected to being a newbie or not. I do believe however that it is connected to the size of some individuals ego. I believe nadav mentioned that until recently the technion made them use Hebrew in their thesis. Do you actually clame that these people until recently were all newbies? I What in the WORLD does that have to do with the fact that newbies usually use hebrew ? stop trying to discredit people just for the exactly my point, what in the world. sake of discrediting. All I said is that from my experience, the i did not discredit anyone, i did not even mentioned your name, if you feel offended, than maybe it concern you. you will be the judge of that. i am not your teacher. newbies usually like to use hebrew, which is true. the fact the technion forces people to use english has no bearing whatsoever on what i said. I think it does, in the right context, which you obviously shredded brutaly. think that stating that the use of Hebrew in this mailing list will make you a newbie, is just the stereotypes people have long used to constrain other people to their habits and their reluctance to accept progress. Emm With all due respect, I don't think you you even heard my opinion regarding hebrew IN LINUX-IL. I for one, wouldn't mind it one bit. All I was suggesting saying is that a second mailing list, supporting hebrew, will be a solution acceptable to ALL OF US. I really dont understand where is this belligerence coming from. no belligerence, dude. never mentioned you personally. Whether Hebrew is appropriate from a practical sense like non-Hebrew speaking members, or people not being able to view Hebrew messages (I don't believe writing Hebrew should be mandatory since many words cannot be translated to English), that's for the list community to decide. My standpoint, is that people should be allowed to write both English and Hebrew on the list. But only if all the members will agree to that. It is a Jewish tradition to accept the minority view on these matters, so if there are Iranian or other foreign individuals that would object, I believe we should respect their view in spite of my or the majority sentiment. Jewish Traditions ? Huh ? I think you're taking this from the CORRECT context of simpleness and portability between the list's users onto remote and unneccesary philosophic areas. I think that if nadav and moshe talk about eliezer ben-yehuda, others can carry on the same wave, so as you can see i never took you anywhere. besides, its not that i was bassing my reasoning on that sentence. You took that part and twisted it, obviously to distract the readers from the main point This really isn't complicated. All I said is that a second list permitting hebrew might be the simplest solution. Again, I don't see why is this complicated, or why does it turn me into a bigot to KNOW that new users prefer to ask questions in hebrew. never called u a bigot. again u twisted my email to your line of thought which you already decided that i came here to destroy you, but i can assure you i am certainly not slim shady. so cool off. this is a discussion, not a jabbing contest. Amir. Tzahi :). To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew problems in irc clients
On Thursday 16 May 2002 15:58, Barak Kaufman wrote: Hello list i am experiencing a very strange problem with hebrew in irc. i am trying to use the kde3 chat client (ksirc 1.2.1) when i try to type hebrew i see it typing fine but when i hit enter it pastes question marks to the chat. i tried using another KDE 3 app kopete compiled from the cvs same problem i see hebrew fine when i type it and question marks when i press enter. i tried using chatzilla ... there the thing was even stranger, there i type hebrew fine and i can see what i typed but i cant see what other ppl write (encodings issue). When I had this problem, it was simply the fact that I was using a font that does not contain hebrew glyphs. After changing to Arial for example, it worked fine. What font is chosen in ksirc ? Amir Sela. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew problems in irc clients
What do you mean a known problem ? It worked fine for me, out of the box, redhat7.3 .. On Thursday 16 May 2002 16:33, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Known problem in 3.0 - fixed in KDE 3.1 CVS (on the CVS version you can select encoding now) Hetz On Thursday 16 May 2002 10:16, Amir Sela wrote: On Thursday 16 May 2002 15:58, Barak Kaufman wrote: Hello list i am experiencing a very strange problem with hebrew in irc. i am trying to use the kde3 chat client (ksirc 1.2.1) when i try to type hebrew i see it typing fine but when i hit enter it pastes question marks to the chat. i tried using another KDE 3 app kopete compiled from the cvs same problem i see hebrew fine when i type it and question marks when i press enter. i tried using chatzilla ... there the thing was even stranger, there i type hebrew fine and i can see what i typed but i cant see what other ppl write (encodings issue). When I had this problem, it was simply the fact that I was using a font that does not contain hebrew glyphs. After changing to Arial for example, it worked fine. What font is chosen in ksirc ? Amir Sela. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenOffice with BiDi support.
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 17:56, Yotam Rubin wrote: Producing the RPM is a trivial task, simply use alien. I am willing to do it myself on iglu.org.il, but it's only a couple of commands. If someone wants to create an SRPM, that would be ideal; I do not intend to create one. I'll create one, if hetz or the other Redhat guys in this mailing list won't beat me to it :) To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modem 56k which works on linux
On Sunday 12 May 2002 21:54, Shaul Karl wrote: Can anyone recommand a modem which works on linux and supports voice/fax recongnition , caller ID , v.92(if there are any). Also I don't have any ISA slots in my computer so I need either pci one or external. after weeks of looking help would be most appriciated Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel Have you tried the Modems section (21) of the LDP's Hardware-HOWTO? And a word (question?) about 56k connectivity: * You might be unrealistic about how much available bandwidth is on your modem line. Lets do the math for a typical 56k modem connection: 1. 56k modems = 56,000 bits per second. 2. You really DON'T have a 56k modem but a 52k modem per US FCC limitations. US is the key word here. Who says that modems that are destined for other markets than the US get this restriction enforced on them ? As far as I know Israel's and Europe's Communication regulations are not limited by FCC regulations. 3. You'll almost NEVER get 52k, the best connection I used to get was 48k Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK the modem connection speed at the initial handshake time is not necessarily the speed in which they will communicate for the entire session. The speed might go above 48k in the middle of the session... 4. 48,000 bits per second is 4,800 BYTES per second (8 bits to Hmm.. I think there's a bug in KCalc or something. when I do 48,000/8 I seem to get 6000... a byte + 2 bits for the START and STOP RS-232 serial bits) Anyone wishes to confirm this ? That the control bits are counted into the modem's so called BPS ? To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upgrade urgently to Redhat kernel 2.4.18-4 (was 56k modem..)
Hmm.. I'm using 7.3, haven't had any problems with my ext3 partitions... is this something official ? BTW: if you're using Redhat 7.3 - upgrade urgently to RedHat kernel 2.4.18-4 - there are some serious fuck ups with their 2.4.18-3 and ext3 (it's not nice to get a panic as I got when I compiled my nightly KDE cvs).. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Compiling a single kernel module
Hey list. Is there a way, to compile a single module out of the kernel source tree, without fiddling about manually with the Makefiles and such ? I wanted to compile ntfs.c(as a loadable module, of course), and I'm not very well versed in the Makefile structure of the entire kernel tree. Thanks, Amir To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The newly opened #linux-il channel on OPN.
Hi Elchanan. All you need in order to connect to IRC and join our channel is an IRC client. You can use BitchX if you're used to working in console mode, or X-chat if you're usually using X. after you fetch one of those applications, connect to the irc.openprojects.net server, and join the #linux-il channel. X-chat is a GUI based app, and by nature far more convinient to use for people that are unfamiliar with IRC. So you should probably get that. If you still can't connect, post again. Amir Sela. Hi, Till now, I did not use the IRC stuff. Can you give some RTFM how do I join this IRC channel? Thanks in advance for the attention Elchanan. Amir Sela wrote: We are cordially inviting the readers of linux-il, to visit the newly opened #linux-il channel on the OpenProjects IRC network. Hopefully there will be enough people in this channel to provide a more immediate source of help for linux users in Israel. Amir Sela[EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The newly opened #linux-il channel on OPN.
We are cordially inviting the readers of linux-il, to visit the newly opened #linux-il channel on the OpenProjects IRC network. Hopefully there will be enough people in this channel to provide a more immediate source of help for linux users in Israel. Amir Sela[EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DreamWorks Switched to Linux !
I fail to see the connection. DreamWorks is a company with _extremely_ specialized needs. They do not qualify as your average users. yes, but the fact that the artists workstations are being switched as well, says something. if only rendering servers were converted, then it was not such a big deal. this shows that if artists, that use heavy multimedia applications can convert, then the avrage home user can to. adobe are also talking about That's a poor deduction. The fact that some artist on Dreamworks can double-click an icon and load his/her's app, doesn't have any bearing on the subject of Linux as a desktop. A desktop operating system is browsing, e-mail, publishing, calander, and more. And as Yotam previously stated, Dreamworks' employees are the kind of employees that probably spend 99% of their computer usage time within the confines of their own application, whatever it may be. that's not a good measurement for desktop abilities. Their netadmins can decide not to load a window manager or a desktop enviroment, and make their graphics application the only application that uses a plain X server. That's a measurement for a desktop ? I think not. Amir Sela = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
