Re: How to image a linux computer

[Michael Shiloh]

Thanks Shay

On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 3:56 PM Shay Gover  wrote:

> Use clonezilla.
> Before cloning:
> 1) Remove gpu drivers
> 2) Remove microcode package
> 3) You might need to change partition id or disk id in the bootloader.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 1:50 PM Michael Shiloh 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ori and Shimi; I've forwarded your suggestions to my friend.
>>
>> Your help is much appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 3:16 PM shimi  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 9:35 AM Michael Shiloh <
>>> michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Situation: We have a linux computer with various software installed on
>>>> old hardware that may malfunction and be unsupported. To mitigate this
>>>> risk, we would like to make an image of this machine so that we can run it
>>>> in a virtual machine.
>>>>
>>>> How do we do this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Beyond what has been suggested before me on this thread, you can also
>>> rescue-boot both the old and the new system that has a disk
>>> same-size-or-larger, and just bit-copy the hard drive as a whole (including
>>> partition table) over the network, without passing through an 'image'
>>> stage. You can either do so securely (but slower) over SSH, or in plaintext
>>> if your network is secure (using netcat). See:
>>> https://www.thegeekdiary.com/how-to-clone-linux-disk-partition-over-network-using-dd/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Note: The above tutorial suggests using compression when SSH is not
>>> involved (not sure why the difference in approaches), which you may wish to
>>> consider removing from the pipeline, especially if cloning over fast LAN -
>>> as there's a good chance that the compression, which /may/ not reduce the
>>> data volume transferred much (unless you're looking at lots of space that
>>> is filled with a static pattern like zeros) and the CPU may become the
>>> bottleneck instead of the network, and then, מה הועילו חכמים בתקנתם?
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER: Make sure you understand what you do, so you'll not by
>>> mistake write TO the source disk from the target (or from nowhere...),
>>> overwriting all your data. :) I would say it wouldn't be a problem if you
>>> kept backups, but the original question suggests that one may not be
>>> available in this case... so, be careful. As a rule of thumb, the dd _of=_
>>> parameter on the _SOURCE_ should NEVER point to anything local, and quite
>>> frankly, should NEVER appear on the source altogether...
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> -- Shimi
>>>
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Re: How to image a linux computer

[Michael Shiloh]

Thanks Ori and Shimi; I've forwarded your suggestions to my friend.

Your help is much appreciated.



On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 3:16 PM shimi  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 9:35 AM Michael Shiloh 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Situation: We have a linux computer with various software installed on
>> old hardware that may malfunction and be unsupported. To mitigate this
>> risk, we would like to make an image of this machine so that we can run it
>> in a virtual machine.
>>
>> How do we do this?
>>
>>
> Beyond what has been suggested before me on this thread, you can also
> rescue-boot both the old and the new system that has a disk
> same-size-or-larger, and just bit-copy the hard drive as a whole (including
> partition table) over the network, without passing through an 'image'
> stage. You can either do so securely (but slower) over SSH, or in plaintext
> if your network is secure (using netcat). See:
> https://www.thegeekdiary.com/how-to-clone-linux-disk-partition-over-network-using-dd/
> .
>
> Note: The above tutorial suggests using compression when SSH is not
> involved (not sure why the difference in approaches), which you may wish to
> consider removing from the pipeline, especially if cloning over fast LAN -
> as there's a good chance that the compression, which /may/ not reduce the
> data volume transferred much (unless you're looking at lots of space that
> is filled with a static pattern like zeros) and the CPU may become the
> bottleneck instead of the network, and then, מה הועילו חכמים בתקנתם?
>
> DISCLAIMER: Make sure you understand what you do, so you'll not by mistake
> write TO the source disk from the target (or from nowhere...), overwriting
> all your data. :) I would say it wouldn't be a problem if you kept backups,
> but the original question suggests that one may not be available in this
> case... so, be careful. As a rule of thumb, the dd _of=_ parameter on the
> _SOURCE_ should NEVER point to anything local, and quite frankly, should
> NEVER appear on the source altogether...
>
> HTH,
>
> -- Shimi
>
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Re: How to image a linux computer

[Michael Shiloh]

Thank you Shachar and Eli, these suggestions are very helpful.

On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 1:24 PM Eli Billauer  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> A somewhat different approach is to copy the entire filesystem into a
> new computer, and run the old operating system in parallel with the new
> one.
>
> I'm doing this myself, and this approach works surprisingly well:
>
> https://billauer.co.il/blog/2018/11/linux-chroot-system-in-parallel/
>
> And when I say that it works, I mean that some of the system's services
> still belong to the old OS. For example, the DHCP server on the machine
> that I write this mail on belongs to Fedora 12. Why? Because I never had
> a good reason to replace it with the current system's.
>
> The obvious advantage is that the transition to the new computer can be
> gradual. At some point, you'll just turn off the old computer because
> everything runs fine on the new one.
>
> So all you need is tar.
>
> The drawback that I can see with a full image of the old system (except
> for the obvious waste of disk space) is that the old kernel may not be
> compatible with the virtual machine. Which can be solved by installing a
> newer kernel. But then, why bother running a full virtual machine? You
> might as well use chroot. Which brings me back to my original suggestion.
>
> Regards,
> Eli
>
> On 04/11/2023 9:34, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Situation: We have a linux computer with various software installed on
> > old hardware that may malfunction and be unsupported. To mitigate this
> > risk, we would like to make an image of this machine so that we can run
> > it in a virtual machine.
> >
> > How do we do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Michael
>
>
>
> --
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How to image a linux computer

[Michael Shiloh]

Hello all,

Situation: We have a linux computer with various software installed on old
hardware that may malfunction and be unsupported. To mitigate this risk, we
would like to make an image of this machine so that we can run it in a
virtual machine.

How do we do this?

Thanks,
Michael
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Re: Good presentation tool

[Michael Shiloh]

Either way, that's super helpful! Thanks for bringing it to my attention

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 7:37 PM Mark E. Fuller  wrote:
>
>
> 22 May 2022 17:58:58 Eli Marmor :
>
> By the way, since yesterday, Github Markdown supports LaTeX.
>
> On Sun, 22 May 2022 at 17:39, Michael Shiloh  
> wrote:
>>
>> I do all my presentations in markdown and show them directly from
>> Github  (github.com/michaelshiloh)
>>
>> On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 6:36 PM Mark E. Fuller  
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > 22 May 2022 17:33:52 Shachar Shemesh :
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> >
>> > I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
>> >
>> > I make slides in LaTeX using the Beamer class.
>> > See https://github.com/mefuller/LaTeX_Presentations
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> It looks like GH markdown supports MathJax, so LaTeX-formatted formulae: 
> https://analyticsindiamag.com/github-now-supports-mathematical-expressions-on-markdown/
>
> This is a very nice feature, which is new to me, but it is by no means 
> "support for LaTeX"

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Re: Good presentation tool

[Michael Shiloh]

I do all my presentations in markdown and show them directly from
Github  (github.com/michaelshiloh)

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>
> 22 May 2022 17:33:52 Shachar Shemesh :
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> I need a recommendation for a presentation tool. What do you use?
>
> I make slides in LaTeX using the Beamer class.
> See https://github.com/mefuller/LaTeX_Presentations
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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Michael Shiloh]

That's a cool trick, thanks for the idea!

‪On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 8:23 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm using git bash - by installing Git for Windows, I get a bash shell with 
> most of the commands I need from Linux, and I can run it also when not 
> related to git. For example diff, awk, etc.
>
> Also if for some reason I need a real Linux machine, I can SSH to one of my 
> Ubuntu servers, and run my command remotely from there.
>
> I never had a need to run a Linux app that is not a shell command on my 
> desktop.
>
>
> אורי
> u...@speedy.net
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 11:44 AM Steve Litt  wrote:
>>
>> אורי said on Sun, 6 Feb 2022 0
>>
>> >Personally I never used WSL, and I have been using Linux servers and
>> >Windows desktops for more than 20 years.
>>
>> Being a huge POSIX fan, I'm sure I'd use it if I had Windows machines.
>>
>> Sorry how my  left to right settings garbled the reference to אורי . I
>> tried to fix it and only made it worse.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
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Re: Acronyms: was Should beginners work with WSL?

[Michael Shiloh]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/about
"The Windows Subsystem for Linux lets developers run a GNU/Linux
environment -- including most command-line tools, utilities, and
applications -- directly on Windows, unmodified, without the overhead of a
traditional virtual machine or dualboot setup."


‪On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 8:33 PM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬

> On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 5:32 PM Michael Tewner  wrote:
>
>> After all of these emails, I still don't know what WSL is *shrug*
>>
>
> Just something like the KGB or DDT.
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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Michael Shiloh]

Ah, Subsystem! I guessed the Windows and Linux part, but couldn't
figure out the S.

Thanks!

On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 8:48 AM Shachar Shemesh  wrote:
>
>
> On 06/02/2022 05:21, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>
> What is WSL?
>
> Windows Subsystem for Linux.
>
>
> It allows you, on any Windows 10 machine, to install a virtual machine + 
> Linux with a single command. It allows you to open an Ubuntu (some other 
> distros are also supported, but Ubuntu is their main one) shell that is 
> sort-of kinda integrated into Windows. No GUI support, at this time.
>
>
> It has been highly hyped, because Microsoft is, essentially, bundling Linux. 
> Then again, I'm more excited about the fact that WordPad now opens ODT files 
> out of the box (Word has done that for quite some time).
>
>
> At the end of the day, I see no difference between WSL and installing 
> VirtualBox, configuring shared folders, and installing Ubuntu on it. 
> Installation is easier, but VirtualBox also gives you GUI.
>
>
> The only area I'm not sure how things work is around system services. 
> VirtualBox doesn't give me nested virtualization, so I can't get WSL working 
> on my Windows inside a VM. I'll need to reboot to test it, so I'm doing the 
> lazy thing and asking whether anyone else has any experience :-)
>
>
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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Michael Shiloh]

What is WSL?

On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM Shachar Shemesh  wrote:

> The context is a book I'm writing about introduction to Linux. I don't
> know exactly who will pick it up and what her reasons might be.
> On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the off topic answer
> I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would give
> different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner.
> Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE?
> Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins?
> Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers?
> Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization?
> What type of beginner do you have in mind?
>
> בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 בפבר׳ 2022, 09:11 PM, מאת Shachar Shemesh ‏<
> shac...@shemesh.biz>:
>
>> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed
>> toward trying out WSL?
>>
>>
>> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Shachar
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Re: Introduction

[Michael Shiloh]

Cool stuff Mark! Very nice to meet you. Your research sounds interesting.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 2:13 PM Mark E. Fuller 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> sorry if I failed to do this earlier - I thought I had already
> introduced myself, but based on a few recent conversations in seems that
> I likely did not.
>
> I'm Mark Fuller (fuller or mefuller most places), an Oleh Hadash (May
> 2021) from the US via way of Germany.
> I presently work as a postdoc at the Technion doing research on
> combustion and fuel chemistry. I've primarily been an experimentalist,
> but have gotten much more into software development and scientific
> computing having long been the only guy in the lab who used Linux or
> could do data analysis with more automation that copy-pasting in Excel.
> I'm a long-time Linux user and FOSS enthusiast (first used Debian at
> university in 2006) and I have been part of the Fedora Project since
> 2010 where I have done some translations (German), and am just now
> getting into packaging.
>
> I'm very much looking to continue drifting professionally and
> learn/apply more lessons about good development practices to the
> scientific software to which I contribute, since much of it is pretty
> rough around the edges.
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Re: OT: looking for a job

[Michael Shiloh]

Hi Maayan,

I agree with you that LinkedIn is a social network and I suppose if I were
a purist I wouldn't use it. But I feel that the benefits are useful and
it's not nearly as offensive or dangerous as YouTube or Facebook, so I
tolerate them.

Good luck in your search and let us know what you find!

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:40 PM Maayan Eshed  wrote:

> Hi Didi and Micha
> Your reply is kind and valid. And you made RedHat sound like a good
> workplace. I remember them fondly so I don't mind (:
>
> I guess I asked about LinkedIn not just to make sure its not a PR/HR waste
> of time nowadays, but also because of an inherent dislike for social
> networks.
> If non of the offers this list has suggested will work out, I'll reopen
> the account there with less reluctance.
>
> Cordial thank you all who has already sent offers.
> I'm going through them and considering and slowly replying.
>
> You are all much appreciated, it makes it actually nice to be back (:
>
> Ma'ayan
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:55 AM Yedidyah Bar David 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Maayan,
>>
>> Not sure why you think you must choose between posting to this list
>> and searching LinkedIn.
>> Why not both?
>>
>> I am by no means a LinikedIn fan, but it's definitely a real thing,
>> and I wouldn't be surprised if I
>> heard that tens of percents of all tech job assignments in Israel are
>> through/thanks to it. I have
>> absolutely no idea about real numbers and/or deeper implications (such
>> as job retention when
>> through LinkedIn vs otherwise, etc.).
>>
>> I personally work for Red Hat, for 8+ years now. No idea if we have
>> jobs that can suit
>> you, but you are welcome to have a look. The Israeli office has ~ 500
>> people now and is
>> growing quite quickly.
>>
>> Incidentally, I also got this job thanks to linkedin - I noticed there
>> that some old acquaintance
>> moved to Red Hat and thought it might be a good idea for me as well...
>>
>> To the rest of the list: I hope this doesn't sound like an
>> advertisement for Red Hat. I
>> considered replying in private and decided it's ok as-is. I hope that's
>> ok...
>>
>> Good luck and best regards,
>> --
>> Didi
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:55 PM Maayan Eshed 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello guys and girls
>> > I apoiogize if this isn't the place for it, but I've been offline for a
>> long time, and this seems to be the only israeli-tech-list still active in
>> my mailbox. You are more than wellcome to redirect me to a propper channle
>> (is LinkedIn a real thing?)
>> >
>> > As the headline says - i'm in the market for a job. Been happily doing
>> non-tech stuff for the last few years, but with Obiquitus Omicron, here I
>> am. So:
>> >
>> > C.V will be sent per request, here is my general direction, both ways:
>> >
>> > Desired job includes mainly getting paid for being useful without
>> catching COVID (I'm at risk if I catch it.)
>> > I would like to do something that I think is cool, but thats really
>> just a wish and not a demand.
>> > Anything from a short gig to a full time long term at something you
>> teach me from scratch may be fine.
>> >
>> > Skills: nothing unusual:
>> > I can Bash, I can Vi.
>> > git, Apache and SQL are no strangers though may need some reminding.
>> > I can install stuff (OS's, servers, stuff) I can even uninstall stuff
>> sometimes (;
>> > I have in my past academic programing courses which I enjoyed but never
>> deployed on a job.
>> > I've been a linux user since the late 90's both for work and personal
>> purposes.
>> > I have a general understanding of how the internet was said to work
>> before street lamp posts started double as amazon-anywhere spyware hotspots
>> (generic term, not updated on their trademarks and specks).
>> >
>> > Am I embarrasing myself right now? Probably (:
>> > But I think you get the idea.
>> > Old Knowledge, but I can and like to learn and expand. Especially if
>> you teach well and pay well for it.
>> >
>> > I currently live in the north, I have a car and am not afraid to use it.
>> > Would rather not be obligated to be exposed to offices at all, but
>> would sit with careful and vaccinated bunch in a not-stuffy place, with
>> masks fully on. Maybe. Depends.
>> >
>> > Thanx for reading, thanx for linuxing, lemme know if you have something
>> relevant.
>> > Cheers
>> > Ma'ayan.
>> >
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Re: OT: looking for a job

[Michael Shiloh]

Didi, you made a great suggestion for Maayan:

Maayan, you could use LinkedIn to see if anyone you know is working at a
place that's interesting to you, and then reach out to them. A personal
introduction is alway so much better than a cold call, even if you have to
go through the formal application process.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 1:58 PM Yedidyah Bar David <
linux...@didi.bardavid.org> wrote:

> Hi Maayan,
>
> Not sure why you think you must choose between posting to this list
> and searching LinkedIn.
> Why not both?
>
> I am by no means a LinikedIn fan, but it's definitely a real thing,
> and I wouldn't be surprised if I
> heard that tens of percents of all tech job assignments in Israel are
> through/thanks to it. I have
> absolutely no idea about real numbers and/or deeper implications (such
> as job retention when
> through LinkedIn vs otherwise, etc.).
>
> I personally work for Red Hat, for 8+ years now. No idea if we have
> jobs that can suit
> you, but you are welcome to have a look. The Israeli office has ~ 500
> people now and is
> growing quite quickly.
>
> Incidentally, I also got this job thanks to linkedin - I noticed there
> that some old acquaintance
> moved to Red Hat and thought it might be a good idea for me as well...
>
> To the rest of the list: I hope this doesn't sound like an
> advertisement for Red Hat. I
> considered replying in private and decided it's ok as-is. I hope that's
> ok...
>
> Good luck and best regards,
> --
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Fun with powers of 2

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‪On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 10:20 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬

> I apologize about the subject. Feel free to change it. The main post was
> about almost crashing my computer with the command  _py -c
> "print(2**64**3)".
> אורי
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>
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 8:01 AM Michael Shiloh 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting discussion, but the subject seems quite wrong.
>>
>> ‪On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:32 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬
>>
>>> From checking also powers of 3, I can't find more than c==5 (for 3**20
>>> and 3**124).
>>>
>>> אורי
>>> u...@speedy.net
>>>
>>>
>>> ‪On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 7:24 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬
>>>
>>>> Thank you, that's interesting. So all such numbers are divisible by 9.
>>>> I didn't think about it.
>>>>
>>>> You might be interested in my related question:
>>>>
>>>> https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4348279/what-is-the-highest-number-of-digits-so-that-this-number-of-digits-in-a-specific
>>>>
>>>> From checking about the first 50,000 powers of 2, I didn't find c more
>>>> than 5, who actually appears only twice (c is the number of digits who
>>>> appear exactly 10% of the time in the decimal form of a specific power of
>>>> 2).
>>>>
>>>> אורי
>>>> u...@speedy.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 6:53 AM Daniel Shahaf 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> אורי wrote on Tue, 04 Jan 2022 04:07 +00:00:
>>>>> > Are there powers of 2 which give exactly 10% of each of the digits 0
>>>>> to 9 (in
>>>>> > decimal form)?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, because then the sum of the digits would be a multiple of nine, so
>>>>> the
>>>>> number wouldn't be a power of two.
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Re: Python on Ubuntu 18.04.6 LTS

[Michael Shiloh]

Interesting discussion, but the subject seems quite wrong.

‪On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:32 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬

> From checking also powers of 3, I can't find more than c==5 (for 3**20 and
> 3**124).
>
> אורי
> u...@speedy.net
>
>
> ‪On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 7:24 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬
>
>> Thank you, that's interesting. So all such numbers are divisible by 9. I
>> didn't think about it.
>>
>> You might be interested in my related question:
>>
>> https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4348279/what-is-the-highest-number-of-digits-so-that-this-number-of-digits-in-a-specific
>>
>> From checking about the first 50,000 powers of 2, I didn't find c more
>> than 5, who actually appears only twice (c is the number of digits who
>> appear exactly 10% of the time in the decimal form of a specific power of
>> 2).
>>
>> אורי
>> u...@speedy.net
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 6:53 AM Daniel Shahaf 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> אורי wrote on Tue, 04 Jan 2022 04:07 +00:00:
>>> > Are there powers of 2 which give exactly 10% of each of the digits 0
>>> to 9 (in
>>> > decimal form)?
>>>
>>> No, because then the sum of the digits would be a multiple of nine, so
>>> the
>>> number wouldn't be a power of two.
>>>
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Re: Hebrew with putty

[Michael Shiloh]

I was not using Putty

‪On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 1:09 PM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬

> Hi Michael,
>
> Did you use putty then?
>
> אורי
> u...@speedy.net
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 12:07 PM Michael Shiloh <
> michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is very interesting. A while ago I was looking at something in
>> Hebrew (I can't remember if it was a website or email) and I realized that
>> the phone numbers were reversed. I'll bet they had the same bug you are
>> talking about.
>>
>> Now if only I could remember what that was 
>>
>> ‪On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:45 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I realized it is probably a bug in putty, so I wrote to
>>> pu...@projects.tartarus.org and got a reply.
>>>
>>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/feedback.html
>>>
>>> However the putty developers might need help to fix it as they are not
>>> RTL-language speaking themselves, so if you know how to do it you can write
>>> to them or send them a patch of the source code. I tried to look at the
>>> putty source code myself but it looks complicated and I don't know how to
>>> fix this bug for myself. There is an option to disable bidirectional text
>>> display in putty, but then the Hebrew text is reversed too.
>>>
>>> אורי
>>> u...@speedy.net
>>>
>>>
>>> ‪On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 7:10 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm using bash on Ubuntu. I run a command to check how many times each
>>>> lines appear. My command is something like:
>>>>
>>>> $ cat /var/log/django/speedy.log*|fgrep -i send_mail|fgrep
>>>> 'subject="'|fgrep -v uri+selenium-test-user|awk -F\, '{print
>>>> $(NF-1)","$NF}'|sort|uniq -c|sort -nr|fgrep -v
>>>> email/contact_by_form/admin_feedback
>>>>
>>>> And the results are:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>  96  template_name_prefix=email/messages/new_message, subject="You
>>>> have a new message on Speedy Net"
>>>>  39  template_name_prefix=email/messages/new_message, subject="יש
>>>> לך הודעה חדשה בספידי מץ'"
>>>>  22  template_name_prefix=email/accounts/confirm_first_email,
>>>> subject="אמת את כתובת הדואר האלקטרוני שלך בספידי מץ'"
>>>>  15  template_name_prefix=email/accounts/confirm_second_email,
>>>> subject="Confirm your email address on Speedy Net"
>>>>  10  template_name_prefix=email/likes/like, subject="מישהו עשה לך
>>>> לייק בספידי מץ'"
>>>>   7  template_name_prefix=email/accounts/confirm_first_email,
>>>> subject="אמתי את כתובת הדואר האלקטרוני שלך בספידי מץ'"
>>>>   6  template_name_prefix=email/accounts/password_reset,
>>>> subject="Password reset on Speedy Net"
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> (I only showed a few lines in the middle).
>>>>
>>>> I do it with putty SSH, but when I view it with putty, I see "01" where
>>>> "10" should be, and "93" where "39" should be (see screenshot attached). I
>>>> think this is because the rest of the line is in Hebrew. Why does it show
>>>> "01" and "93" and how can I fix it, if I can?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> אורי
>>>> u...@speedy.net
>>>>
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Re: Hebrew with putty

[Michael Shiloh]

This is very interesting. A while ago I was looking at something in Hebrew
(I can't remember if it was a website or email) and I realized that the
phone numbers were reversed. I'll bet they had the same bug you are talking
about.

Now if only I could remember what that was 

‪On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:45 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬

> Hi,
>
> I realized it is probably a bug in putty, so I wrote to
> pu...@projects.tartarus.org and got a reply.
>
> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/feedback.html
>
> However the putty developers might need help to fix it as they are not
> RTL-language speaking themselves, so if you know how to do it you can write
> to them or send them a patch of the source code. I tried to look at the
> putty source code myself but it looks complicated and I don't know how to
> fix this bug for myself. There is an option to disable bidirectional text
> display in putty, but then the Hebrew text is reversed too.
>
> אורי
> u...@speedy.net
>
>
> ‪On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 7:10 AM ‫אורי‬‎  wrote:‬
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm using bash on Ubuntu. I run a command to check how many times each
>> lines appear. My command is something like:
>>
>> $ cat /var/log/django/speedy.log*|fgrep -i send_mail|fgrep
>> 'subject="'|fgrep -v uri+selenium-test-user|awk -F\, '{print
>> $(NF-1)","$NF}'|sort|uniq -c|sort -nr|fgrep -v
>> email/contact_by_form/admin_feedback
>>
>> And the results are:
>>
>> ...
>>  96  template_name_prefix=email/messages/new_message, subject="You
>> have a new message on Speedy Net"
>>  39  template_name_prefix=email/messages/new_message, subject="יש לך
>> הודעה חדשה בספידי מץ'"
>>  22  template_name_prefix=email/accounts/confirm_first_email,
>> subject="אמת את כתובת הדואר האלקטרוני שלך בספידי מץ'"
>>  15  template_name_prefix=email/accounts/confirm_second_email,
>> subject="Confirm your email address on Speedy Net"
>>  10  template_name_prefix=email/likes/like, subject="מישהו עשה לך
>> לייק בספידי מץ'"
>>   7  template_name_prefix=email/accounts/confirm_first_email,
>> subject="אמתי את כתובת הדואר האלקטרוני שלך בספידי מץ'"
>>   6  template_name_prefix=email/accounts/password_reset,
>> subject="Password reset on Speedy Net"
>> ...
>>
>> (I only showed a few lines in the middle).
>>
>> I do it with putty SSH, but when I view it with putty, I see "01" where
>> "10" should be, and "93" where "39" should be (see screenshot attached). I
>> think this is because the rest of the line is in Hebrew. Why does it show
>> "01" and "93" and how can I fix it, if I can?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> אורי
>> u...@speedy.net
>>
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Re: Copy-Paste from Firefox 88.0.1 not working properly on Ubuntu 21.04 (Hirsute Hippo)

[Michael Shiloh]

I'm also on 21.04. Copying from FF to a terminal and to email seems to work
fine.

Probably unrelated, but I first upgraded from 20.10 to 21.04. Everything
seemed fine until I tried to use my Arduino, and found that the serial
ports no longer worked. After some discussion with Arduino and Ubuntu
forums I decided to do a fresh install of 21.04, and now serial ports work.
(I would have liked to understand this problem but I'm on a deadline to get
some Arduino work done).

Like I said, probably unrelated. But if you get desperate try a fresh
install (I know, that's a real kludge, like power cycling to see if a
problem goes away)

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:44 AM Gabor Szabo  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A few days ago I  upgraded from 20.10 to 21.04. Since then I have problems
> with Copy-paste. At first it seemed to be randomly not working, but after
> some experimentation I think it does not work when I try to Copy from
> Firefox to anything else which is not Firefox.
>
> (And to be even stranger it seems to work sometimes from Firefox to other
> apps as well, but only a few times and then it stops working.)
>
> I also posted it on AskUbuntu, but so far no good responses.
>
>
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1338970/copy-paste-from-firefox-88-0-1-not-working-properly-on-ubuntu-21-04-hirsute-hip
>
> Have any of you encountered it?
> Do you have a similar environment and it works for you?
>
> Gabor
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Re: Closing laptop lid while Zoom is running prevents wake-from-suspend when lid opened

[Michael Shiloh]

Thanks for the pointer Shimi, and your hunch.

I'm off to read the document.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 8:57 AM shimi  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 1:05 PM Michael Shiloh  
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't even know where to start looking.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Where to start: https://01.org/node/3721
>
> My hunch, whenever NVIDIA or Intel are involved, is to start off your 
> investigation with the graphics adapter.
>
> HTH,
>
> -- Shimi

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Closing laptop lid while Zoom is running prevents wake-from-suspend when lid opened

[Michael Shiloh]

Hello all,

Lenovo Thinkpad X1 carbon, 8th generation
Ubuntu 20.10, kept up to date and various programs added but I haven't
modified the system.

If I close the laptop lid while Zoom is running, then later on when I
open the lid the laptop does not wake-from-suspend. I've tried
pressing the power button but unless I hold it down for long enough to
force a power off, it has no effect. Closing and re-opening the lid
has no effect.

This only happens if I shut down while Zoom was running. I know that
the work-around is to always close Zoom first, but sometimes I forget.

This only happens with Zoom; in all other cases the laptop wakes from
suspend when I open the lid perfectly reliably.

I don't even know where to start looking.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Riddle me this: unsolicited orderly shutdown

[Michael Shiloh]

That's a great story Shachar, thanks for sharing. Hopefully I will remember
this if it ever happens to me.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 4:47 PM Shachar Shemesh  wrote:

>
> On 12/03/2021 14:08, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
>
>
> On 12/03/2021 12:34, borissh1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Would it be possible to monitor both dbus messages (system and user) AND
> Xsession errors while you do so ?
>
> Yes, that provided some progress. At least I can tell the name of the
> component that triggers the shutdown. The session dbus monitor says:
>
> signal time=1615549109.464622 sender=:1.13 -> destination=(null
> destination) serial=832 path=/component/org_kde_powerdevil;
> interface=org.kde.kglobalaccel.Component; member=globalShortcutPressed
>string "org_kde_powerdevil"
>string "PowerOff"
>int64 6630990
>
> I'm not 100% sure what that means. It seems that powerdevil thinks that
> someone pressed the power button. More research necessary, but at least
> we're finally getting a log admitting _something_ happened.
>
> I've cracked it!!!
>
> The problem was that my USB-C docking station was incapable of providing
> enough power to run the computer. It should not have been a problem, as I'm
> guessing the problem was momentary and the computer's battery would have
> also sufficed. It did, however, respond to this situation by sending a
> power-off key (which is why the BIOS did not say anything - it wasn't it
> that initiated the shutdown).
>
> I've connected the computer's provided power supply, and the problem is
> now GONE.
>
> Thank you, everyone.
>
> Shachar
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Re: Can anyone help translate the Open Source Hardware statement to Hebrew?

[Michael Shiloh]

Great! I'll put you in touch with Alicia.

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 10:39 AM marc volovic  wrote:

> Will be glad to help.
>
> On 9 May 2020 09:17:56 GMT+03:00, Michael Shiloh <
> michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was just poking around the Open Source Hardware Association
>> <https://www.oshwa.org/> and was shocked to see that their definition
>> <https://www.oshwa.org/definition/>, while available in a number of
>> other languages, is not available in Hebrew. I say shocked because usually
>> in technology and especially in Open Source, Hebrew is among the first
>> translations.
>>
>> My Hebrew, and especially my technical Hebrew, is not good enough to work
>> on this.
>>
>> How about you?
>>
>> If you're interested I'm happy to connect you with Alicia, one of the
>> co-founders.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
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Can anyone help translate the Open Source Hardware statement to Hebrew?

[Michael Shiloh]

I was just poking around the Open Source Hardware Association
 and was shocked to see that their definition
, while available in a number of other
languages, is not available in Hebrew. I say shocked because usually in
technology and especially in Open Source, Hebrew is among the first
translations.

My Hebrew, and especially my technical Hebrew, is not good enough to work
on this.

How about you?

If you're interested I'm happy to connect you with Alicia, one of the
co-founders.

Michael
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Re: After waking from suspend, USB devices are not recognized (Ubuntu 17.10)

[Michael Shiloh]

Very interesting. Thanks Yuval.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Yuval Adam <_...@yuv.al> wrote:

> This might help:
>
> http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-configuration.html#usb
>
> On 11/24/2017 05:51 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > Very interesting. After removing TLP the problem seems to have gone
> > away. I am now able to enjoy USB peripherals again. Thanks!
> >
> > I'd love to understand why, though.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Michael Shiloh
> > <michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com <mailto:michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Not powertop, but yes tlp. Very interesting. I will uninstall and
> > see if that solves the problem.
> >
> > Another observation I just made: If I suspend the laptop with USB
> > devices plugged in, they are still detected when I restart.
> >
> > I guess I could work around by leaving some small USB device plugged
> > in (one of those wireless mouse things) but obviously that's a real
> > hack. Still, the observation may be a hint as to what's going on or
> > what I might look at next.
> >
> > I will disable TLP and report back.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >     On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 2:38 AM, Efraim Flashner
> > <efr...@flashner.co.il <mailto:efr...@flashner.co.il>> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 06:15:03PM +0400, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I noticed that my old mouse didn't work all the time, and
> figured it was
> > > time to replace the mouse. Then I had trouble programming some
> Arduinos,
> > > and figured I had a bad Arduino. It wasn't until my system
> failed to see a
> > > thumb drive that I finally realized the common element here:
> After waking
> > > from suspend, no devices plugged in to the USB ports are
> recognized.
> > >
> >
> > Do you run powertop or tlp on your laptop? Sometimes those can
> cause
> > issues with the USB ports.
> >
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Re: After waking from suspend, USB devices are not recognized (Ubuntu 17.10)

[Michael Shiloh]

Very interesting. After removing TLP the problem seems to have gone away. I
am now able to enjoy USB peripherals again. Thanks!

I'd love to understand why, though.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Michael Shiloh <
michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not powertop, but yes tlp. Very interesting. I will uninstall and see if
> that solves the problem.
>
> Another observation I just made: If I suspend the laptop with USB devices
> plugged in, they are still detected when I restart.
>
> I guess I could work around by leaving some small USB device plugged in
> (one of those wireless mouse things) but obviously that's a real hack.
> Still, the observation may be a hint as to what's going on or what I might
> look at next.
>
> I will disable TLP and report back.
>
> Michael
>
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 2:38 AM, Efraim Flashner <efr...@flashner.co.il>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 06:15:03PM +0400, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I noticed that my old mouse didn't work all the time, and figured it was
>> > time to replace the mouse. Then I had trouble programming some Arduinos,
>> > and figured I had a bad Arduino. It wasn't until my system failed to
>> see a
>> > thumb drive that I finally realized the common element here: After
>> waking
>> > from suspend, no devices plugged in to the USB ports are recognized.
>> >
>>
>> Do you run powertop or tlp on your laptop? Sometimes those can cause
>> issues with the USB ports.
>>
>> --
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>> GPG key = A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D  14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351
>> Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received
>> unencrypted
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Re: After waking from suspend, USB devices are not recognized (Ubuntu 17.10)

[Michael Shiloh]

Not powertop, but yes tlp. Very interesting. I will uninstall and see if
that solves the problem.

Another observation I just made: If I suspend the laptop with USB devices
plugged in, they are still detected when I restart.

I guess I could work around by leaving some small USB device plugged in
(one of those wireless mouse things) but obviously that's a real hack.
Still, the observation may be a hint as to what's going on or what I might
look at next.

I will disable TLP and report back.

Michael

On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 2:38 AM, Efraim Flashner <efr...@flashner.co.il>
wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 06:15:03PM +0400, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I noticed that my old mouse didn't work all the time, and figured it was
> > time to replace the mouse. Then I had trouble programming some Arduinos,
> > and figured I had a bad Arduino. It wasn't until my system failed to see
> a
> > thumb drive that I finally realized the common element here: After waking
> > from suspend, no devices plugged in to the USB ports are recognized.
> >
>
> Do you run powertop or tlp on your laptop? Sometimes those can cause
> issues with the USB ports.
>
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After waking from suspend, USB devices are not recognized (Ubuntu 17.10)

[Michael Shiloh]

Hi,

I noticed that my old mouse didn't work all the time, and figured it was
time to replace the mouse. Then I had trouble programming some Arduinos,
and figured I had a bad Arduino. It wasn't until my system failed to see a
thumb drive that I finally realized the common element here: After waking
from suspend, no devices plugged in to the USB ports are recognized.

$ uname -a
Linux x1 4.13.0-16-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 11 18:35:14 UTC 2017
x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Hardware details are at the end of this mail.

Here is the system in its failed state:

$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

$ lspci -nnk | grep -A2 USB
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0
xHCI Controller [8086:9d2f] (rev 21)
Subsystem: Lenovo Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0 xHCI Controller [17aa:2238]
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
00:14.2 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Sunrise
Point-LP

$ lsmod | grep usb
btusb  45056  0
btrtl  16384  1 btusb
btbcm  16384  1 btusb
btintel16384  1 btusb
bluetooth 540672  14 btrtl,btintel,bnep,btbcm,rfcomm,btusb
usbhid 49152  0
hid   118784  4 hid_sensor_hub,hid_generic,usb
hid,intel_ishtp_hid

After a reboot, when USB devices are recognized, the same commands look
like this:

$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 138a:0090 Validity Sensors, Inc.
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04f2:b5c1 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0a2b Intel Corp.
Bus 001 Device 006: ID 046d:c404 Logitech, Inc. TrackMan Wheel
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

$ lspci -nnk | grep -A2 USB
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0
xHCI Controller [8086:9d2f] (rev 21)
Subsystem: Lenovo Sunrise Point-LP USB 3.0 xHCI Controller [17aa:2238]
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
00:14.2 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Sunrise
Point-LP

$ lsmod | grep usb
usbhid 49152  0
btusb  45056  0
btrtl  16384  1 btusb
btbcm  16384  1 btusb
btintel16384  1 btusb
bluetooth 540672  31 btrtl,btintel,bnep,btbcm,rfcomm,btusb
hid   118784  4 hid_sensor_hub,hid_generic,
usbhid,intel_ishtp_hid



I'm not much of an expert with USB and udev, so I did a bit of reading and
learned about udevadm. After a reboot, when USB is working,

$ sudo apt-get install udevadm

shows activity when I plug or unplug a USB device. After a suspend,
nothing.

I googled expressions like "usb not recognized after wake from suspend" and
didn't find anything useful.

I don't know enough about this part of the system to know where to look
next. What do you suggest I do next in order to determine where the problem
might be?

System info below.

Thanks in advance for any guidance,
Michael

$ inxi -Fx
System:Host: x1 Kernel: 4.13.0-16-generic x86_64 bits: 64 gcc: 7.2.0
   Desktop: Gnome 3.26.2 (Gtk 3.22.25-0ubuntu1)
   Distro: Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch)
Machine:   Device: laptop System: LENOVO product: 20FBCTO1WW v: ThinkPad X1
Carbon 4th serial: N/A
   Mobo: LENOVO model: 20FBCTO1WW v: SDK0J40709 WIN serial: N/A
   UEFI: LENOVO v: N1FET44W (1.18 ) date: 09/01/2016
BatteryBAT0: charge: 40.9 Wh 85.1% condition: 48.0/52.1 Wh (92%)
   model: SMP 00HW029 status: Charging
CPU:   Dual core Intel Core i7-6600U (-HT-MCP-)
   arch: Skylake rev.3 cache: 4096 KB
   flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 11232
   clock speeds: max: 3400 MHz 1: 2800 MHz 2: 2800 MHz 3: 2800 MHz
   4: 2800 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel HD Graphics 520 bus-ID: 00:02.0
   Display Server: wayland (X.Org 1.19.5 )
   drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
   Resolution: 1920x1080@59.96hz
   OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 520 (Skylake GT2)
   version: 4.5 Mesa 17.2.2 Direct Render: Yes
Audio: Card Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio
   driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1f.3
   Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-16-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel Ethernet Connection I219-LM
   driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k bus-ID: 00:1f.6
   IF: enp0s31f6 state: down mac: 54:ee:75:c2:96:f3
   Card-2: Intel Wireless 8260 driver: iwlwifi bus-ID: 04:00.0
   IF: wlp4s0 state: up mac: f4:8c:50:5d:a8:6d
Drives:HDD Total Size: 128.0GB (51.5% used)
   ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 model: INTEL_SSDPEKKW128G7 size: 128.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 101G used: 47G (49%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2
   ID-2: swap-1 size: 17.04GB used: 0.00GB (0%)
   fs: swap dev: 

Re: Open Source Physical Access Control Solutions in Israel?

[Michael Shiloh]

What do you mean exactly by physical access control system? Are you
referring to making access to the building easier for those with
physical limitations? If so,Tikun Olam Makers might be a good starting
point

If you refer to physical computing, Arduino is readily available at
various locations in Israel. (Disclosure: I work very occasionally for
them)

Or do you mean something else?



On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Amichai Rotman  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I volunteer at a youth center and they are looking for a physical access
> control system for the youth center.
>
> Any of you know of an Open Source system that has a reseller in Israel?
>
> I would like to make it a project for the kids to build using a Raspberry PI
> or something like that...
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Amichai Rotman
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Re: Advice on lightweight laptops for Linux (of course)

[Michael Shiloh]

Thanks Dan for your perspective. I'm actually going to teaching in Abu
Dhabi next September so I'm really glad you brought that up.

In general, I've been hearing good things about the current model (4th
generation) which I believe came out earlier this year, so I assume
your model is something prior. Is that correct? On the other hand, the
current model has only been around for a year, so fewer opportunities
to fail.

Michael

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Dan Yasny <dya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been carrying an X1 around for a couple of years now. The battery life
> is great, Fedora support is great, weight and convenience is quite good,
> except the keyboard is a bit on the weird side when it comes to the function
> keys and the missing insert key, but I've learned to live with that.
>
> The downside however is the reliability. In this time I've had the screen
> replaced, the keyboard replaced and the motherboard/cpu/ram/etc (it's all a
> single block) replaced. Each time it takes a week at the lab (I don't have
> the onsite warranty, and I am in Canada, so YMMV). So if you intend to use
> it somewhere where warranty isn't available, or if you intend to use it
> longer than the warranty period - stay away. It's expensive enough to be
> expected to last, but it's quite flimsy.
>
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Michael Shiloh
> <michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Eli,
>>
>> What kind of laptop do you use?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 2:30 PM, E.S. Rosenberg
>> <esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il> wrote:
>> > Ever since getting my current laptop that weighs ~1.5kg I said I will
>> > never get anything heavier again, it's something you can't return
>> > from.
>> >
>> > Thin and light devices (like the X1 and the T460S) tend to not be very
>> > upgradeable, it's a price you pay for thin & light... the SSD is most
>> > likely upgradeable on any model you choose because so far soldered on
>> > SSDs aren't all that common
>> >
>> > The videos on youtube clearly show that the T460S has at least one
>> > SODIMM slot, the X1 does not seem to have it.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Eliyahu - אליהו
>> >
>> > 2016-12-26 23:37 GMT+02:00 Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com>:
>> >> Hello everyone,
>> >>
>> >> I hope everyone is enjoying a very happy Chanukah.
>> >>
>> >> You might recall about a year ago I raised the question of a powerful
>> >> laptop for Linux. I settled on a Thinkpad W541 and I am thrilled with
>> >> it ... except for the weight.
>> >>
>> >> As I travel more and don't need the power of the W541 all the time,
>> >> I'm thinking of a lightweight laptop for daily use.
>> >>
>> >> It's hard for me to consider anything but Thinkpads: I love the
>> >> TrackPoint, the keyboard, the solid feel of the devices, etc. Given
>> >> that, the top two contenders are the X1 Carbon and the T460S.
>> >>
>> >> The X1 is about 2.6 pounds and more expensive than the T460S which
>> >> weighs about 3 pounds.
>> >>
>> >> Another big difference is whether the RAM and/or SSD can be upgraded
>> >> on the X1 (I've seen equally strong claims that they can and can not).
>> >> Some conversations insist they are soldered in, other say that perhaps
>> >> the RAM can be upgraded by the user but is a non-standard form factor
>> >> that can only be purchased from Lenovo.
>> >>
>> >> I think for the extra .4 pounds I'm willing to go with the better
>> >> price of the T460S, especially if upgrading RAM and SSD is not
>> >> possible on the X1 (I usually purchase from Lenovo with less storage
>> >> and upgrade on my own).
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts or advice?
>> >>
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Re: Advice on lightweight laptops for Linux (of course)

[Michael Shiloh]

Thanks Eli,

What kind of laptop do you use?

Michael

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 2:30 PM, E.S. Rosenberg
<esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il> wrote:
> Ever since getting my current laptop that weighs ~1.5kg I said I will
> never get anything heavier again, it's something you can't return
> from.
>
> Thin and light devices (like the X1 and the T460S) tend to not be very
> upgradeable, it's a price you pay for thin & light... the SSD is most
> likely upgradeable on any model you choose because so far soldered on
> SSDs aren't all that common
>
> The videos on youtube clearly show that the T460S has at least one
> SODIMM slot, the X1 does not seem to have it.
>
> Regards,
> Eliyahu - אליהו
>
> 2016-12-26 23:37 GMT+02:00 Michael Shiloh <michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com>:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I hope everyone is enjoying a very happy Chanukah.
>>
>> You might recall about a year ago I raised the question of a powerful
>> laptop for Linux. I settled on a Thinkpad W541 and I am thrilled with
>> it ... except for the weight.
>>
>> As I travel more and don't need the power of the W541 all the time,
>> I'm thinking of a lightweight laptop for daily use.
>>
>> It's hard for me to consider anything but Thinkpads: I love the
>> TrackPoint, the keyboard, the solid feel of the devices, etc. Given
>> that, the top two contenders are the X1 Carbon and the T460S.
>>
>> The X1 is about 2.6 pounds and more expensive than the T460S which
>> weighs about 3 pounds.
>>
>> Another big difference is whether the RAM and/or SSD can be upgraded
>> on the X1 (I've seen equally strong claims that they can and can not).
>> Some conversations insist they are soldered in, other say that perhaps
>> the RAM can be upgraded by the user but is a non-standard form factor
>> that can only be purchased from Lenovo.
>>
>> I think for the extra .4 pounds I'm willing to go with the better
>> price of the T460S, especially if upgrading RAM and SSD is not
>> possible on the X1 (I usually purchase from Lenovo with less storage
>> and upgrade on my own).
>>
>> Any thoughts or advice?
>>
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Advice on lightweight laptops for Linux (of course)

[Michael Shiloh]

Hello everyone,

I hope everyone is enjoying a very happy Chanukah.

You might recall about a year ago I raised the question of a powerful
laptop for Linux. I settled on a Thinkpad W541 and I am thrilled with
it ... except for the weight.

As I travel more and don't need the power of the W541 all the time,
I'm thinking of a lightweight laptop for daily use.

It's hard for me to consider anything but Thinkpads: I love the
TrackPoint, the keyboard, the solid feel of the devices, etc. Given
that, the top two contenders are the X1 Carbon and the T460S.

The X1 is about 2.6 pounds and more expensive than the T460S which
weighs about 3 pounds.

Another big difference is whether the RAM and/or SSD can be upgraded
on the X1 (I've seen equally strong claims that they can and can not).
Some conversations insist they are soldered in, other say that perhaps
the RAM can be upgraded by the user but is a non-standard form factor
that can only be purchased from Lenovo.

I think for the extra .4 pounds I'm willing to go with the better
price of the T460S, especially if upgrading RAM and SSD is not
possible on the X1 (I usually purchase from Lenovo with less storage
and upgrade on my own).

Any thoughts or advice?

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Re: OFFTOPIC: friends from foocamp requests help from outside North America for researching censorship; script to run on *nix

[Michael Shiloh]

Thanks Shlomi,

I'm normally in USA but I happen to be in Israel right now visiting family
so I ran the client. Very clean and easy.

(By the way, I'm hoping to return to Israel and am looking for teaching
work. Would it be off topic to briefly mention what I teach in the hopes
that people here might have ideas?)

Michael

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> thanks for sharing. I don't feel it's off topic for this list and I have
> already retweeted the tweet and have built and ran the client. I'll try to
> publicise it a bit more.
>
> Regards,
>
>-- Shlomi Fish
>
> ​
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OFFTOPIC: friends from foocamp requests help from outside North America for researching censorship; script to run on *nix

[Michael Shiloh]

Because most responses will be from North America, I thought it would be
particularly valuable if people on this list might be willing to help.

Details here 

>From their website:

Active Geolocation Project

This website is part of a research study conducted by *Nicolas Christin*
and *Zachary Weinberg* at Carnegie Mellon University.

The purpose of our research is to test “active geolocation” algorithms.
These attempt to determine where in the world a computer is, by measuring
how long it takes network messages from that computer to reach other
computers in known locations. We test them by making measurements from
computers in known locations. We can then compare the position calculated
by each algorithm with the truth. We’re also comparing with the position
reported by commercial geolocation services (such as MaxMind
 and Geobytes ) for the
computer’s IP address.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Sumana Harihareswara 
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FooCampers] request: run this script on computers worldwide
to help research censorship
To: foocamp...@foo.oreilly.com, za...@cmu.edu


In case you want to spread the word about this request, here's a public
URL to use: https://research.owlfolio.org/active-geo/

And you can retweet https://twitter.com/elwoz/status/751403093116542976
: "I'm looking for volunteers to help with a research project:
https://research.owlfolio.org/active-geo/  Especially want people
outside Europe and North America."


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On 11/04/16 15:34, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
> Foo Campers: my friend Zack needs help in his research to measure
> Internet censorship. He's a grad student at CMU and a longtime open
> source software hacker.
>
> (And even if you can't help, you might enjoy his summaries and reviews
> of recent research papers in his field: http://readings.owlfolio.org/ )
>
> Hope you can help!
>
> Sumana Harihareswara
> http://harihareswara.net
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> From: Zack Weinberg 
>
>
> Hello, my name is Zack Weinberg, and I'm a researcher at Carnegie Mellon
> University. I am doing experiments in "active geolocation", which is
> when you try to figure out where a computer physically is by measuring
> packet round-trip times from it to computers in known locations.  This
> has been studied carefully within Europe and the continental USA, but
> much less so elsewhere.
>
> I'm specifically trying to develop a technique for verifying that VPN
> exits are in the country that their operator claims they are.  My larger
> research focuses on measuring Internet censorship, for which I need
> network vantage points in precisely the countries where it's hardest to
> get reliable server hosting.  Commercial VPN operators may prefer to
> locate their hosts in countries where it's easier to do business, and
> only *label* them as being in harder-to-access countries.
>
> I am looking for volunteers who can run my measurement scripts on
> computers physically located all over the world.  South America,
> sub-Saharan Africa, South and Southeast Asia, and Oceania locations are
> especially helpful, but I can use data from anywhere.  You must know the
> latitude and longitude of the computer to within 50km and be willing to
> share that information.  The test performs roughly 10,000 TCP handshakes
> with roughly 1,000 "landmark" computers, at an overall rate of about 20
> handshakes per second, and measures the round-trip times.  No
> application-layer data is transferred.  You may inspect the code before
> running it (and the list of landmarks, but that's just a big list of IP
> addresses so not super informative).  I'm also happy to answer questions
> about the research.
>
> If you're interested, please contact .
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -Zack Weinberg
>

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Re: Up-to-date hardware (laptop) recommendations?

[Michael Shiloh]

After much consideration, I purchased a Thinkpad W541. The specific model
was important because I make heavy use of the Trackpoint(tm)  style pointer
and other newer models don't have this.

My version has a massive 2880 x 1620 pixel display, as I often have
multiple things open.

Linux install hung near the beginning the first few times, then continued
flawlessly. I was using an Ubuntu live CD I can't recall what I did to get
past the hanging.

I routinely use an external projector (college professor) and there is only
one projector at my university that sometimes gives me trouble. Lately I've
had no trouble using HDMI via the mini DP with this projector. Other
projectors seem to work fine with either VGA or mini DP.

My Thinkpad has 4 USB ports. I believe 2 of them are 3.0.

No external eSATA. I removed my DVD drive and bought an adapter to install
a second disk drive, which is solid state, on which I installed Linux. I
retained the original Windows disk as I sometimes have to work in Windows.

Happy to answer other questions about this if interested

Michael

I've never tried three monitors but I would like to. If I do I will report
back.

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Roman Ovseitsev  wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Omer Zak  wrote:
>
>>
>> How are today's ThinkPads (which are probably different from ThinkPads
>> from years ago)?
>>
>
> There seem to be a notion for slimming down things. Less ports and no DVD
> (aka secondary HDD bay) bay anymore. Keyboard on newer models is a bit
> weird too. F keys row has been combined with media keys and
> end/insert/delete/etc keys have very unusual arrangement. But Linux seems
> to be still well supported.
> I am using T420 which probably won't fit your needs since it's a bit aged
> and can't do more than 2 monitors. But I had a chance to use their latest
> T450 model for a few days with Linux and it seemed ok with no apparent
> issues. It has x3 USB 3.0 ports, VGA + mini DP, 16GB RAM max, matte
> display, M.2 SSD slot (don't know if it can be used as boot device), and
> the rest of the usual - RJ-45, WiFi, Bluetooth, multicard reader, WWAN
> depending on the configuration. No idea about maximum supported monitors
> though.
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Re: Lime - an open source Sublime Text clone

[Michael Shiloh]

I too have heard of people preferring Sublime, so it's good to hear of 
an open source Sublime Text clone.


On 12/01/2013 11:26 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote:

Hi Matan,


On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote:


On Sun, 1 Dec 2013, Shlomi Fish wrote:

  Hopefully, it will be another step toward eliminating the open

source community’s reliance on proprietary tools.



?



Well, if by ? you mean What do you mean?, then for your information,
some people with whom I interacted on Freenode ( http://freenode.net/ ) and
elsewhere have opted to use the Sublime Text editor due to it proving
attractive for them, despite the fact that it was not open source. So in a
way it involved a reliance on non-open-source (or so-called proprietary)
tools by the community.

I personally avoided Sublime Text from the simple reason it was not open
source - see what I wrote about it here -
http://shlomif-tech.livejournal.com/65226.html .

Best regards,

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Re: Fascinating story: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city

[Michael Shiloh]

On 11/23/2013 03:53 PM, Michael Vasiliev wrote:

On 11/22/2013 09:32 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote:
[story]

I would say that the hidden part of the iceberd is that the city budget money
went to local service providers, mostly immediately returning into German
economy as taxes and payroll, intead of being pumped into Microsoft's offshore
tax evasion scheme.


that's a really good point

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Fascinating story: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city

[Michael Shiloh]

 the LiMux
project.

The authority doesn't have a support deal for the LiMux client, but instead
handles support itself with the help of various free software communities,
such as those supporting Ubuntu, KDE, LibreOffice and OpenOffice.

We are using the community way of support, said Hofmann. We are finding
it to be effective, mostly.

The model is allowing the council to help develop the software it uses in
order that it better suit its needs.

If you're only a customer with a support contract, it doesn't give you the
ability to change how things are put into Ubuntu or LibreOffice, said
Hofmann.

That becomes more possible when you work with the community.

We are using the community way of support. Peter Hoffman

The same staff who develop LiMux are also responsible for the last level of
support, Hofmann said, adding the authority prizes the freedom it has to
work out how to resolve problems on its own.

We had an issue with OpenOffice in the past and a support contract
wouldn't have helped us because nobody else has this sort of problem, so we
would have had the choice to live with it or forget about it, said Hofmann.

Instead Munich paid a company to resolve the issue for them, and put the
patch upstream.

The only downside is there's no-one to blame when things do go wrong, but
what's the advantage of that? Hofmann said.
What does the future hold?

Now that the migration to LiMux is complete, Munich plans to continue
developing LiMux (the next version is due out in summer 2014) and continue
to incorporate changes made to the Ubuntu LTS release it's based upon. The
authority will also continue to identify opportunities to migrate other
apps to run on the LiMux client so it can further reduce its Microsoft
footprint.
[image: Picturesque Munich]
Picturesque Munich is regularly ranked as one of the world's most liveable
cities.
 Image: iStockphoto/Björn Kindler


Now that Munich is on a path to freeing itself from proprietary ties,
Hofmann says he sees no compelling reason for the authority to ever go back.

We saw from the start that if you're only relying on one contributor to
supply your operating system, your office system and your infrastructure,
you're stuck with it. You have to do what your contributor tells you to. If
they say 'There's no longer support for your office version', you have to
buy and implement a new one. You're no longer able to make those kinds of
decisions by yourself.

He is hopeful that Munich will show other large organisations that it is
possible to make the jump to free software and, while it is a difficult and
time-consuming process, making it happen doesn't mean shutting down your IT.

It's the best thing you can do. I've been asked 'How come you say you're
up and running when Microsoft says you're already dead', he said.

Hofmann's response: It is possible to do an open source migration and
still have the citizens not left alone. We're far from being dead.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-munich-rejected-steve-ballmer-and-kicked-microsoft-out-of-the-city/?tag=nl.e101s_cid=e101ttag=e101ftag=TRE684d531


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Re: password managers

[Michael Shiloh]

does lastpass automatically sync between these devices? that would be 
worth $12/year for me, since Ubuntu One is not always reliable on my phone.


On 09/03/2013 06:12 AM, Amos Shapira wrote:

I use lastpass for all of them (Linux desktop, OSX laptop, Android phone).
Worth the $12/year.


On 3 September 2013 04:43, Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.comwrote:


It's also important to consider smart phone access. I use password gorilla
on my ubuntu laptops, passwdsafe on my android, and i sync the common
database via ubuntu one.

On 09/02/2013 04:49 AM, ronys wrote:


plug
PasswordSafe http://pwsafe.org, while mainly developed for Windows,
has usable
buildshttps://sourceforge.**net/projects/passwordsafe/**
files/Linux-BETA/0.91/https://sourceforge.net/projects/passwordsafe/files/Linux-BETA/0.91/

for

deb  rpm distros. Artistic
License 2.0 http://www.opensource.org/**licenses/artistic-license-2.0.**
php http://www.opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license-2.0.php.
/plug
disclaimerI'm the admin/lead developer of PasswordSafe/disclaimer


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe ra...@rabin.io
wrote:



On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
wrote:

  Go sign up for Lastpass, my entire office is now using it. I lets you

set up individual passwords for every site, and they are encrypted
locally.



And remotely (on there servers)

P.S,

You can use it with Firefox on you mobile device (as firefox addon),
just a note, that if you set the Password Iterations too high (5000 by
there recommendation)
it will increase Firefox loading time significantly


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Re: password managers

[Michael Shiloh]

your comment refers to SuperGenPass and not to lastpass, correct?

On 09/03/2013 02:49 PM, Amos Shapira wrote:

Yes it could be good enough for most non-critical web sites but since all
these auto generated passwords are only as strong as your master password,
I still wouldn't use it for the really sensitive stuff like financial
accounts etc. For these I generate unique random passwords, memories them
and back them up in lastpass with a very strong master password.
On 04/09/2013 3:22 AM, shimi linux...@shimi.net wrote:




On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Michael Shiloh 
michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote:


does lastpass automatically sync between these devices? that would be
worth $12/year for me, since Ubuntu One is not always reliable on my phone.



SuperGenPass is a JavaScript bookmarklet, that runs on every modern
browser, and doesn't need to sync anything; It simply generates the same
password for the same domain based on the same master password, locally on
your device. Price: $0/year. There's even a Hebrew version which I
translated (pass.shimi.net)

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password managers (was: Re: Watch out for Bezeq

[Michael Shiloh]

It's also important to consider smart phone access. I use password 
gorilla on my ubuntu laptops, passwdsafe on my android, and i sync the 
common database via ubuntu one.


On 09/02/2013 04:49 AM, ronys wrote:

plug
PasswordSafe http://pwsafe.org, while mainly developed for Windows,
has usable
buildshttps://sourceforge.net/projects/passwordsafe/files/Linux-BETA/0.91/for
deb  rpm distros. Artistic
License 2.0 http://www.opensource.org/licenses/artistic-license-2.0.php.
/plug
disclaimerI'm the admin/lead developer of PasswordSafe/disclaimer


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Rabin Yasharzadehe ra...@rabin.io wrote:



On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:


Go sign up for Lastpass, my entire office is now using it. I lets you
set up individual passwords for every site, and they are encrypted
locally.



And remotely (on there servers)

P.S,

You can use it with Firefox on you mobile device (as firefox addon),
just a note, that if you set the Password Iterations too high (5000 by
there recommendation)
it will increase Firefox loading time significantly


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Re: [Haifux] [HAIFUX LECTURE] Command-line utilities: Tips and tricks (part II) -- Eli Billauer

[Michael Shiloh]

On 08/18/2013 02:08 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:

Some of the odd corners of shell syntax are quite useful in interactive
usage.  For example:

% (){ foo $1 bar } 24
to run a command several times (recalling it from history) and change
some parameter around the middle of the command line without having to
scroll to it every time.



wait, can you explain  this?

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Re: [HAIFUX LECTURE] Command-line utilities: Tips and tricks (part II) -- Eli Billauer

[Michael Shiloh]

So very true. I feel the same way about vi, which I've been using since 
I was a student in 1979, and still feel that I only know about 20% of it.


Wish I could attend too. If there is a summary or writeup of any kind 
please share.


Michael

On 08/17/2013 03:46 PM, Amos Shapira wrote:

Good on you.

It's funny how infinite is the ocean of command line utilities, e.g. as a
long time user of the command line:
1. I only learned about grep -r 8 years ago (in my first workplace in
Australia)
2. I only discovered that less -R (capital R) is much better for
viewing and searching colorised text files than less -r (lower case r)
a couple of weeks ago.
3. two days ago I found how to make awk access environment variables
(through ENVIRON[VARIABLENAME]), though I knew what I was looking for.
4. Only a short while ago I learned a trick to script echo line 
root-only-writable-file by replacing it with echo line | sudo tee -a
root-only-writable-file.

And the list goes on and on.

The take away? Command line veterans can also benefit and enjoy such a
meeting by learning and sharing their own knowledge. Wish I could attend.



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On Monday, August 19th at 18:30, Haifux will gather to hear a talk by Eli
Billauer:

Command-line utilities: Tips and tricks (part II)

Command-line utilities is the real power of a Linux computer, and yet
there's always a few useful utilities that even an experienced Linux user
doesn't know about. This meeting is dedicated to going through several
random utilities, some of which are less known, others are known but have
surprising possibilities.

The range goes from things as simple as using touch to fake a
modification date to using ssh for surfing the web (with your browser) as
if your computer was in another country.

No previous knowledge is required. Even though newbies will gain the most
of this meeting, there is also room for those more familiar with the shell
prompt. Those who want to take the stand for a few minutes to talk about a
utility are welcome, of course.

There will be no slides during this meetings, just a shell window for
demonstrations.

For the list of suggested topics that may or may not be covered:

http://haifux.org/lectures/**305/ http://haifux.org/lectures/305/

==**==**=

We meet in Taub building, room 6. For instructions see:
http://www.haifux.org/where.**html http://www.haifux.org/where.html

Attendance is free, and you are all invited!

==**==**==
Future lectures:

02/09/13 You  The Biometric Database: Jonathan J. Klinger


==**==**==

We are always interested in hearing your talks and ideas. If you wish to
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Re: Driver for Canon Pixma MX375 All in one

[Michael Shiloh]

Have you tried the 360? Often when my printer number doesn't show up I 
chose the closest one, and usually that works fine.


On 03/03/2013 07:48 AM, David Suna wrote:

I recently purchased this printer and it is installed and connected to a Windows
machine on my network.  I would like to allow the Ubuntu machine on the network
to print to this printer as well.  The list of printers in the drivers list
shows the Pixma MX360 series but not the MX370 series.

What is the easiest way to install the driver for the 370 series (since it does
seem to exist) so that I would be able to use this from the Ubuntu machine?

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Re: Raspberry PI questions

[Michael Shiloh]

another local vendor: dan electric

http://www.dan-e.co.il/index.php?route=product/searchfilter_name=raspberry%20pi

On 02/25/2013 08:28 AM, Moish wrote:

On 25/02/2013 10:58, vordoo wrote:


On 2013-02-24 16:33, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Does anyone know of a company selling them here? I'm looking for them
with a reasonable price, e.g. board, cheap shipping and VAT, as
opposed to board and expensive shipping from out of the country.

Second question, which I can't quite find an answer, does the model B
have 2 separate USB ports, or one USB port spilt with an on board hub?

Thanks in advance,

Geoff.

http://www.lion.co.il/h?q=RASPBERRY+PI

http://whatsup.org.il/index.php?name=PNphpBB2file=viewtopict=57647postdays=0postorder=aschighlight=raspberry+pistart=60



I bought from Element14 USA and shipped within USA and the total was 44$
while the base price is 35$  :)
They insisted on charging 2.79 tax although they reside in NJ and I
shipped it to PA.
Anyway, you can have an idea about the cost.

PS stash it with your other electronic devices in your checked baggage
otherwise you may experience some unpleasent encounters :)

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Re: Raspberry PI questions

[Michael Shiloh]

If you're not in a rush, I can bring it with me in a couple of weeks. 
I'm coming for the mini maker faire at jerusalem science museum.


Let me know.

Michael

P.s. Mouser has a distributor in Israel. Do they carry the pi?

On 02/24/2013 01:12 PM, Lior Okman wrote:

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson 
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:


Does anyone know of a company selling them here? I'm looking for them with
a reasonable price, e.g. board, cheap shipping and VAT, as opposed to board
and expensive shipping from out of the country.

Second question, which I can't quite find an answer, does the model B have
2 separate USB ports, or one USB port spilt with an on board hub?



As far as the hardware is concerned, you can connect two USB cables.

When I run lsusb, there is only one USB hub detected:

pi@raspberrypi:~$ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9512 Standard Microsystems Corp.
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp.
pi@raspberrypi:~$


Hope this helps




Thanks in advance,

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Is Linux-IL involved in the mini maker faire in jerusalem next month?

[Michael Shiloh]

Might be an opportunity for exposure

 http://maker-faire.org.il/

and

http://maker-faire.org.il/history

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Re: Off topic, but only a little since it's about hardware

[Michael Shiloh]

mAh is a measure of the capacity to deliver that voltage.

You know a battery doesn't last forever. If you suck a lot of current 
out of it, it will empty sooner. If you suck only a little current, it 
will last longer.


mAh is milli Amp Hours, so a 1500 mAh cell can deliver 1500 mA for one 
hour, or 150 mA for 10 hours, etc.


In reality it is not a perfectly linear relationship, but it is a useful 
number for reference and comparison.


HTH,
Michael

On 01/08/2013 07:27 AM, vordoo wrote:


On 2013-01-05 21:53, Shlomo Solomon wrote:

Ther are cheaper ones on e-bay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2800mAh-External-Backup-Battery-Charger-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-GT-N7000-i9220-/110787029613?pt=PDA_Accessorieshash=item19cb6bea6d

I have a similar one marked as 1500 mAh that gives my Galaxy S a 50-60%
charge. So since this is marked 2800 mAh, I'd guess it would give a
full charge. And it's only $11, including shipping to Israel.

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Re: SSD drives

[Michael Shiloh]

On 01/03/2013 05:25 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
 There is an additional

instruction, RDSEED, that is supposedly truly random, but, as I
mentioned, I have not seen an explanation of why it is or how it
works.


perhaps they use radioactive decay? Scroll down to Geiger Counter at:

http://www.sparkfun.com/news/782

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Re: SSD drives

[Michael Shiloh]

On 01/03/2013 07:21 AM, Nadav Har'El wrote:

On Thu, Jan 03, 2013, Michael Shiloh wrote about Re: SSD drives:

perhaps they use radioactive decay? Scroll down to Geiger Counter at:


There's an inherent conflict between the number of bits of randomness you
can get out of this process, and the safety of the operator ;-)




always with the tradeoffs.

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Re: hebrew (or arabic) transparency to call up when i forget key location?

[Michael Shiloh]

never occurred to me that it might be built-in:

the menu that lets me select layouts also includes a layout map!

perhaps not quite as convenient as a hot key, but perhaps that's better, 
as it will encourage me to memorize the keyboard.


thanks for the tip!

On 12/30/2012 11:53 PM, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:

Have you tried to see what happens when your layout is set to
Hebrew/Arabic, if the feature is to help you know where the keys are
then it should show in those languages when the keyboard is set to
that layout.

Though it may also be meant as a touch-screen feature allowing for
easy super+[key] combinations where super is the only key on the
touchscreen device, in which case it will only show English.

Regards,
Eliyahu - אליהו

2012/12/30 Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com:

i just found a nice feature in Unity (new to me at least): press and hold
the special key for a semi-transparent overview of keyboard shortcuts,
great for jogging the memory.

such a transparency of the hebrew (and arabic) keyboard would help me learn
to type in hebrew, as i have only english letters on my keycaps.

does such a thing exist?

if not, i'd like to make my own: hopefully i can find one already in source
form and give it the correct properties, then figure out how to bind a key
to display it.



any thoughts appreciated.

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hebrew (or arabic) transparency to call up when i forget key location?

[Michael Shiloh]

i just found a nice feature in Unity (new to me at least): press and 
hold the special key for a semi-transparent overview of keyboard 
shortcuts, great for jogging the memory.


such a transparency of the hebrew (and arabic) keyboard would help me 
learn to type in hebrew, as i have only english letters on my keycaps.


does such a thing exist?

if not, i'd like to make my own: hopefully i can find one already in 
source form and give it the correct properties, then figure out how to 
bind a key to display it.




any thoughts appreciated.

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Re: Hardware Database

[Michael Shiloh]

Seems like a great idea to me.

On 12/27/2012 05:05 AM, Amichai Rotman wrote:

Hello,

It would've been nice to start a website where people could refer to to
find out all the practical issues of installing / using FLOSS in Israel:

* A hardware DB where they can look up a device by category (i.e.
Motherboard) and check the compatibility sorted by distro etc.

* A list of Israeli Linux friendly vendors (including vendors outside
Israel that are willing to ship their products to Israel hustle free).

* Distro specific Installation Guides, pointing out any common pitfalls.

Such sites might exist out there in the Net, but none of them are Israeli
  specific or in Hebrew and don't hold all the a fore mentioned features in
one place...
Another plus is the fact that the content will be socially contributed - by
the users themselves.

What do you think?

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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

[Michael Shiloh]

Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming 
they have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a 
live CD?


On 12/26/2012 02:35 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote:

See the list of currently (as of version 3.8-rc1) supported PCI IDs of Atheros
GbE Ethernet devices in drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1e/atl1e_main.c,
drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1c/atl1c_hw.h and
drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atlx/atl1.c. You'll need to access a running
machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's manual is
not very helpful.



I just wrote to Gigabyte to ask about UEFI and what is the PCI ID of
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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

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On 12/26/2012 03:02 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh
michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote:

Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they
have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live CD?



I already asked, they would not.



!@#$%^*!

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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install

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On 12/26/2012 03:11 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com

wrote:





On 12/26/2012 03:02 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:


On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh
michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote:


Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they
have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live
CD?



I already asked, they would not.



!@#$%^*!



Don't be quick to curse: you may have made the right assumption before.
It's a Lego. If they need to order components (even from their own
warehouse) and assemble the computer for every customer to test that's a
significant effort for a very uncertain sale (from their prospective) to
9presumably) a walk-in customer with no relationship. The live CD trick is
reasonable if there is a brand - or otherwise standard - computer on the
shelf. Laptops are usually like that...



It's fair if they have none on the shelf. But if they have one built and 
connected to a monitor and keyboard, and still won't let you boot from a 
live CD, I would still curse (in my mind, not out loud).


Although to be fair I suppose if they let any yahoo who walked in with a 
CD and said let me just try this! they could be up to their ears in 
various  malware, so perhaps I shouldn't curse them at all.


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Re: anybody knows of a mifi i can run linux on ?

[Michael Shiloh]

http://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WR703N-Wireless-iphone4-android/dp/B005VEJ3GM

$30 on Amazon and takes openwrt directly:

http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr703n

You do have to provide an external 3G modem on a USB stick but it's easy 
with the built in USB host port


Good luck!

On 11/19/2012 07:14 AM, Jason Friedman wrote:

You could try and build your own with a raspberry pi (which you can install
linux on) and a USB cellular modem, which seems to be possible:
http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2012/07/3g-internet-on-raspberry-pi-success/

You would need to attach a power source to the whole thing, but it would
still be relatively compact.

Jason


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Erez D erez0...@gmail.com wrote:


there are routers, e.g. the wrt54gl which i can ran openwrt on

however i am looking for a Mifi (i.e. cellular wifi) router which i can
run linux on.

anybody knows of such ?


thanks,
erez.


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Re: Wireless USB dongle

[Michael Shiloh]

excellent; thanks. that chip seems to be very well supported.

On 10/17/2012 02:43 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Michael Shiloh wrote:

do you know what the chipset and driver is?


The Chinese one is an RTL8191S.

The EdiMax RTL8187ZSE.

Both work fine out of the box on Ubuntu 12.04.

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Re: Wireless USB dongle

[Michael Shiloh]

do you know what the chipset and driver is?

On 10/16/2012 08:52 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Mordechai Behar wrote:

Hi
Can anybody recommend a wireless USB dongle that will work with
minimum fuss on Linux?
Specifically KDE running on Mageia 2 (kernel 3.3.8).
Where to buy it and how much it should cost? Does it work well?
Thanks.


If you are not in a rush, eBay item 320924766094. $10 including postage.
They include a 6dbi antenna, which extends the range, and gives you more
flexibility in positioning it.

If you are:

http://www.bug.co.il/prodtxt.asp?id=11235

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Re: which filesystem

[Michael Shiloh]

On 08/11/2012 12:28 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote:

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012, Erez D wrote about which filesystem:

hello

i have and external USB hard-drive size 2TB, mounted as ext4. (ubuntu 10.10
amd64)
every time there is a power failure. i need to do a manual fsck on this
disk. and this takes around an hour ...


I have a 2 TB disk with ext3, and I don't have anything close to the 1 hour
boots you report (even one minute looks excessive).

Both ext3 and ext4 are journalling filesystems, meaning that after power
failures, only a relatively small journal of the last modifications
needs to be replayed, rather than going through the entire disk.

Is it possible your filesystem for some reason has journalling disabled,
or improperly configured? Try tune2fs -l on your filesystem and look
for suspicious parameters. Look at Filesystem features and verify
there is has_journal. See that it doesn't force a full fsck every time
(Maximum mount count can very well be -1 and check interval 0).




Might also be the disk going bad - perhaps check with the S.M.A.R.T. 
utility smartmontools


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How can I explore what is causing my laptop to not come out of suspend properly when the lid is opened?

[Michael Shiloh]

For years I had been hibernating my laptop (Lenova T60 and now T61) 
instead of shutting down, and of course opening the lid did nothing 
until I pressed the power button. Besides the long amount of time it 
would take to come out of hibernation, this SEEMED to work fine, 
although sometimes I was presented with a login screen instead of an 
unlock screen, suggesting that I was booting up fresh rather than simply 
coming out of hibernation.


Recently I've learned that suspend is quite reliable and of course much 
faster. I suspend either automatically on lid closure, or manually, and 
come out of suspend automatically when I open the lid.


Occasionally, coming out of suspend fails. The power indicator light is 
on, as well as bluetooth and wifi. Wifi is even blinking occasionally, 
but I don't know what this means. The disc activity light is off.


The only keys that are recognized are the NmLk and the little lamp 
that lights up the keyboard. I suspect these are handled by a 
microcontroller running the keyboard and not the main processor.


Every other key and key combination I can think of is ignored, e.g. 
Ctrl Alt F1 etc. to get a console login.


I have tried closing and reopening the lid, applying and removing 
external power, and pressing every single key, along with every 
combination of Shift Ctrl and Alt, as well as the blue Fn 
button. Other than the numlock and keyboard lamp, nothing has any effect.


I have tried both hibernating automatically on lid closure, and 
hibernating manually prior to lid closure. The problem seems worse when 
I hibernate automatically, but this is not a terribly scientific conclusion.


I realize now that I may have been seeing the same problem when coming 
out of hibernation.


I recognize that the problem may not be been caused by a problem 
starting up, but rather, due to some error while hibernating or suspending.


What can I do to debug this? Any suggestions, comments, and ideas would 
be appreciated


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Re: How can I explore what is causing my laptop to not come out of suspend properly when the lid is opened?

[Michael Shiloh]

I forgot to mention I'm running Xubuntu 12.04 which I keep thoroughly up 
to date.


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On 06/20/2012 11:17 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote:

For years I had been hibernating my laptop (Lenova T60 and now T61)
instead of shutting down, and of course opening the lid did nothing
until I pressed the power button. Besides the long amount of time it
would take to come out of hibernation, this SEEMED to work fine,
although sometimes I was presented with a login screen instead of an
unlock screen, suggesting that I was booting up fresh rather than simply
coming out of hibernation.

Recently I've learned that suspend is quite reliable and of course much
faster. I suspend either automatically on lid closure, or manually, and
come out of suspend automatically when I open the lid.

Occasionally, coming out of suspend fails. The power indicator light is
on, as well as bluetooth and wifi. Wifi is even blinking occasionally,
but I don't know what this means. The disc activity light is off.

The only keys that are recognized are the NmLk and the little lamp
that lights up the keyboard. I suspect these are handled by a
microcontroller running the keyboard and not the main processor.

Every other key and key combination I can think of is ignored, e.g.
Ctrl Alt F1 etc. to get a console login.

I have tried closing and reopening the lid, applying and removing
external power, and pressing every single key, along with every
combination of Shift Ctrl and Alt, as well as the blue Fn
button. Other than the numlock and keyboard lamp, nothing has any effect.

I have tried both hibernating automatically on lid closure, and
hibernating manually prior to lid closure. The problem seems worse when
I hibernate automatically, but this is not a terribly scientific
conclusion.

I realize now that I may have been seeing the same problem when coming
out of hibernation.

I recognize that the problem may not be been caused by a problem
starting up, but rather, due to some error while hibernating or suspending.

What can I do to debug this? Any suggestions, comments, and ideas would
be appreciated

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Re: How do I disable NetworkManager in favor of dhcp setup?

[Michael Shiloh]

On 03/07/2012 08:47 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

On 03/08/2012 12:21 AM, Micha wrote:

I believe I pinpointed the problem tp NetworkManager being installed and
enabled, which means that no network connection is actually configured
before a user is logged in.

No, it does not mean that at all. Simply set your eth0 connection to be
a system connection to resolve your problem.

On a wider note, I, too, used to hate Network Manager. It seemed like
such an over complication in relation to such things as:



/etc/network/interfaces doesn't exist, so I'm not sure how this is
supposed to be achieved these days (under debian it's still there, just
not active by default).

The thing that finally broke me in was the utter impossibility of
setting up a WPA connection without it. It was then easier to learn how
to live with it than to fight its installation (and, on Debian, all you
really have to do is uninstall it, and perhaps also avahi, which I still
hate).

The thing is, network manager brings unity (I know, bad pun) to an area
that used to diverge so much between the distributions. I can't really
call that a bad thing. Unlike what its reputation suggests, the global
configuration isn't so cryptic. Just create a text file under
/etc/NetworkManager/system-connections. Ugly uppercase apart - quite
straight forward. I'd like the GUI managers to be more consistent, but
that is really a minor quibble compared to the situation before NM.

Shachar


And what about those of us on embedded systems or others that offer only 
text-based interfaces? I'm trying to solve exactly this problem on a 
BeagleBoard via ssh, and can not use the GUI.


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Re: python, beagle, and gmail

[Michael Shiloh]

On 02/23/2012 11:05 PM, Michael Vasiliev wrote:

On 02/24/2012 12:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote:

2) How can I add SSL support to my version of imaplib, or is there a
version of imaplib for ARM that supports SSL?

Am I missing a totally obvious solution?


I'm corrupted. I'm pushing my favorite distribution as a solution to
every possible development problem. This said, you seem to have python
built without ssl support. You'll have to jump through whatever hoops
Angstrom has prepared for you to recompile or replace it. On the other
hand, Gentoo has an ARM target and you can tune and strip your system to
whatever your heart desires. That, of course, means adding a few trivial
lines to a single file and some recompiling.


you are certainly right about the hoops, and as a former gentoo user 
(and still love it), your solution is very appealing.


looking into it

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Re: python, beagle, and gmail

[Michael Shiloh]

On 02/23/2012 10:09 PM, Baruch Siach wrote:

Hi Michael,

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 02:56:58PM -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:

2) How can I add SSL support to my version of imaplib, or is there a
version of imaplib for ARM that supports SSL?

Am I missing a totally obvious solution?


Have you considered stunnel?


yes, but sadly no stunnel for angstrom.

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python, beagle, and gmail

[Michael Shiloh]

Short version:

I'm using Python on a Beagle Board xM to read gmail using imaplib, e.g.

 http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/imaplib/

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6282976/download-parse-email-with-python

However, it turns out that

imaplib.IMAP4_SSL

is not present in the version of imaplib available for ARM on angstrom.

I'm not an expert in Python or Angstrom, so I turn to your collective
wisdom:

1) What's my quickest path to scriptable gmail access? Python seemed
obvious, but perhaps quicker alternatives exist.

2) How can I add SSL support to my version of imaplib, or is there a
version of imaplib for ARM that supports SSL?

Am I missing a totally obvious solution?

Thanks for any feedback,
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Re: [OUT?] Help with Android?

[Michael Shiloh]

Same problem here in CA. Turns out the same people who help with Linux 
and Electronics are the most helpful with Android...


On 01/10/2012 06:10 AM, Amichai Rotman wrote:

Hi all,
I own an Android device and I am looking for an Israel oriented, Android
related mailing list...
I know this is not exactly Linux related,  but I just don't know where else
to look.
The iAndroid forums aren't very helpful...

Thanks!
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Re: What's the best way to sync two laptops?

[Michael Shiloh]

Also a nice idea, but I like the idea of redundant backups (if one 
laptop gets stolen or broken)


On 11/27/2011 09:38 PM, Valery Reznic wrote:

Mount your /home on external hard drive and move drive from one laptop
to another?

Valery.

*From:* Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com
*To:* IGLU Mailing list linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
*Sent:* Monday, November 28, 2011 12:47 AM
*Subject:* What's the best way to sync two laptops?

I now have two laptops which I'll use somewhat interchangeably.
What's a good way to sync work between them?

My main job is teaching, so I have many teaching notes and other
documents. Dropbox might be a good way to sync these. I'm going to be
doing some 3D design so I'll have inkscape and blender files as well.
Dropbox again, I think.

What about browsing stuff? History, passwords, bookmarks. I use
Vimperator, which has such a good history mechanism I rarely use
bookmarks but rely heavily on history. I could put my entire .mozilla
directory in Dropbox. In fact I could put all my . files (cshrc, vimrc,
etc.)

How do you prefer to handle mail? Do you prefer to keep it on the
server or on your local computer? If local, how do you sync multiple
computers? If remote, how do you work with past messages when offline?

Up to now I've downloaded my gmail to my laptop and not deleted on the
server. That gives me a local copy to work with if I have no Internet
access, as well as an online backup I can access via my cellphone.

Sent email is stored only on my laptop, meaning I don't have access to
it when I'm away from my laptop.

I've always felt this was not an ideal situation, but fixing this was
not a high priority. Keeping everything on the server means I'll run
out of space eventually, and keeping a local copy means I consume
space on my hard drive.

Concrete suggestions as well as your own personal experience and methods
will be most appreciated.

Years ago I remember reading about someone who had everything
checked in to CVS, including all his email. This allowed him to sync
his computer at home, work, elsewhere using CVS. Interesting solution.

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Re: What's the best way to sync two laptops?

[Michael Shiloh]

Indeed. I've used Dropbox a bit and had exactly that experience, 
especially with dot files.


Thanks for your suggestion. I'll take a look at SpiderOak. (I will 
certainly use your referral if I do decide to use it.)


Michael

On 11/27/2011 10:28 PM, Mike Miller wrote:

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 00:47, Michael Shiloh
michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com  wrote:

I now have two laptops which I'll use somewhat interchangeably. What's a
good way to sync work between them?

My main job is teaching, so I have many teaching notes and other
documents. Dropbox might be a good way to sync these. I'm going to be
doing some 3D design so I'll have inkscape and blender files as well.
Dropbox again, I think.


If you go with dropbox, you may find yourself creating an awful lot of
symlinks to get everything you want synchronized.

I personally prefer SpiderOak; same basic idea, but a lot more
customizeable. They claim client side encryption with no keys stored
on the server; the codebase is not open source so it's hard to tell
for sure, but they talk a better talk than DropBox.

[Full disclosure; I have a spideroak account, and if you want to try
them, I'd be happy if you'd use this referral link
https://spideroak.com/download/referral/a2c5a8d4bd5bfb6b748c0a912cd30aeb
; it's an extra 1GB for each of us . Note that their normal free
accounts start at 2GB, but I'm pretty sure that either
worldbackupday or hurricanesafe are still valid coupons for 5GB
(or 6GB if you use the referral link]

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What's the best way to sync two laptops?

[Michael Shiloh]

I now have two laptops which I'll use somewhat interchangeably. What's a 
good way to sync work between them?


My main job is teaching, so I have many teaching notes and other
documents. Dropbox might be a good way to sync these. I'm going to be
doing some 3D design so I'll have inkscape and blender files as well.
Dropbox again, I think.

What about browsing stuff? History, passwords, bookmarks. I use
Vimperator, which has such a good history mechanism I rarely use
bookmarks but rely heavily on history. I could put my entire .mozilla
directory in Dropbox. In fact I could put all my . files (cshrc, vimrc,
etc.)

How do you prefer to handle mail? Do you prefer to keep it on the server 
or on your local computer? If local, how do you sync multiple computers? 
If remote, how do you work with past messages when offline?


Up to now I've downloaded my gmail to my laptop and not deleted on the
server. That gives me a local copy to work with if I have no Internet
access, as well as an online backup I can access via my cellphone.

Sent email is stored only on my laptop, meaning I don't have access to
it when I'm away from my laptop.

I've always felt this was not an ideal situation, but fixing this was
not a high priority. Keeping everything on the server means I'll run out 
of space eventually, and keeping a local copy means I consume space on 
my hard drive.


Concrete suggestions as well as your own personal experience and methods
will be most appreciated.

Years ago I remember reading about someone who had everything checked in 
to CVS, including all his email. This allowed him to sync his computer 
at home, work, elsewhere using CVS. Interesting solution.


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Re: Jewish Nanny-Cam

[Michael Shiloh]

damn. i was expecting some kind of a joke, like:

a Jewish Nanny-Cam tells you about how brilliant the kids of her son, 
the doctor, are, while completely ignoring your kids.


or hopefully something better.

you can still redeem yourself...

On 09/12/2011 03:59 AM, Steve G. wrote:

I want to install a security camera, to keep a remote eye on what goes
on in a house when I am away, i.e. a 'nanny-cam'.

I have a very old dell, which is currently running the latest ubuntu,
and may still have windows xp installed on it as well. It does not have
wifi, but can be connected to the dsl modem with a long cable, or I can
get a dongle.

Could someone recommend a security system that would allow me to keep an
eye on the place from the US or Central America? Is there a system that
I can connect wirelessly to the DSL modem, which will broadcast its name
or ip address for access (without a membership in a for-fee service)? If
not what hardware/software do you recommend for ubuntu (preferably) or
windows xp that can accomplish the same through the computer?

Thanks,

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Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details

[Michael Shiloh]

On 07/17/2011 09:15 AM, Stan Goodman wrote:



To be more general, it is unheard of for a prospective guest to set
political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man
is a boor, and should have been ignored.



I'm not sure that's true. Haven't musicians and other performers used 
their platform as a way to express agreement or disagreement with 
particular political positions for ages?


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Re: can't finish update: dpkg hangs installing xulrunner

[Michael Shiloh]

I tried removing xulrunner and that worked, so this is no longer an issue.

Thanks for your help!

On 05/08/2011 09:50 PM, guy keren wrote:


try to look back at the file, and see if this futex (0xb775e890) was
acquired earlier in the strace output, and not released. these futexes
are used to implement pthread mutexes, and if a an application attempts
to lock the same mutex twice - it will deadlock - and you'll see it
blocked on the underlying futex.

note: it's also possible that this futex call is used to implement a
different synchronization mechanism, which is persistent, and if an
application crashed while it held this lock - it could lead to a similar
deadlock.

note also that the PID of the process stuck on this futex is 10227,
while the PID of the original dpkg process is 10208 - so dpkg launched a
process which got stuck. looking back at the strace log file - you could
find what command this process executes.

--guy

On Sun, 2011-05-08 at 21:31 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:


On 05/08/2011 08:10 PM, guy keren wrote:

On Sun, 2011-05-08 at 17:04 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:

apt-get update hangs at

Setting up xulrunner-1.9.1

I can kill this, but then I can't finish the update because it says that
dpkg was interrupted. Trying to let dpkg repair with

sudo dpkg --configure -a

hangs setting up xulrunner so I'm stuck.

Any ideas?


what does strace tell you?

i.e. run the program under 'strace -f -o /tmp/somefile.txt dpkg ...'

and when it hangs - look in the file /tmp/somefile.txt, and see what is
it waiting for.


Good idea. I'm not quite sure how to understand the results. The file
starts with:

10208 execve(/usr/bin/dpkg, [dpkg, --configure, -a], [/* 20 vars
*/]) = 0


and ends with:

10227 set_robust_list(0xb775e900, 0xc)  = 0
10227 futex(0xbfd66510, FUTEX_WAKE_PRIVATE, 1) = 0
10227 futex(0xbfd66510, FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET_PRIVATE|FUTEX_CLOCK_REALTIME,
1, NULL, bfd66520) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
10227 rt_sigaction(SIGRTMIN, {0x3196e0, [], SA_SIGINFO}, NULL, 8) = 0
10227 rt_sigaction(SIGRT_1, {0x319760, [], SA_RESTART|SA_SIGINFO}, NULL,
8) = 0
10227 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [RTMIN RT_1], NULL, 8) = 0
10227 getrlimit(RLIMIT_STACK, {rlim_cur=8192*1024,
rlim_max=RLIM_INFINITY}) = 0
10227 uname({sys=Linux, node=t60, ...}) = 0
10227 statfs64(/selinux, 84, {f_type=EXT2_SUPER_MAGIC, f_bsize=4096,
f_blocks=27662569, f_bfree=5190843, f_bavail=3785658, f_files=14057472,
f_ffree=13425663, f_fsid={-1774502679, 1875976236}, f_namelen=255,
f_frsize=4096}) = 0
10227 open(/proc/cpuinfo, O_RDONLY)   = 3
10227 read(3, processor\t: 0\nvendor_id\t: Genuin..., 1024) = 1024
10227 read(3,  no\nfpu\t\t: yes\nfpu_exception\t: y..., 1024) = 382
10227 read(3, , 1024) = 0
10227 close(3)  = 0
10227 readlink(/etc/malloc.conf, 0xbfd64fab, 4096) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
10227 mmap2(NULL, 1048576, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb765d000
10227 futex(0xb775e890, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL


and that's the last line. It's been stucke there for awhile and no new
lines are added to the file, so it looks like that futex is what's
blocking. But why and what that means I don't know.

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can't finish update: dpkg hangs installing xulrunner

[Michael Shiloh]

apt-get update hangs at

Setting up xulrunner-1.9.1

I can kill this, but then I can't finish the update because it says that 
dpkg was interrupted. Trying to let dpkg repair with


sudo dpkg --configure -a

hangs setting up xulrunner so I'm stuck.

Any ideas?



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Re: can't finish update: dpkg hangs installing xulrunner

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On 05/08/2011 08:10 PM, guy keren wrote:

On Sun, 2011-05-08 at 17:04 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:

apt-get update hangs at

Setting up xulrunner-1.9.1

I can kill this, but then I can't finish the update because it says that
dpkg was interrupted. Trying to let dpkg repair with

sudo dpkg --configure -a

hangs setting up xulrunner so I'm stuck.

Any ideas?


what does strace tell you?

i.e. run the program under 'strace -f -o /tmp/somefile.txt dpkg ...'

and when it hangs - look in the file /tmp/somefile.txt, and see what is
it waiting for.


Good idea. I'm not quite sure how to understand the results. The file 
starts with:


10208 execve(/usr/bin/dpkg, [dpkg, --configure, -a], [/* 20 vars 
*/]) = 0



and ends with:

10227 set_robust_list(0xb775e900, 0xc)  = 0
10227 futex(0xbfd66510, FUTEX_WAKE_PRIVATE, 1) = 0
10227 futex(0xbfd66510, FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET_PRIVATE|FUTEX_CLOCK_REALTIME, 
1, NULL, bfd66520) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)

10227 rt_sigaction(SIGRTMIN, {0x3196e0, [], SA_SIGINFO}, NULL, 8) = 0
10227 rt_sigaction(SIGRT_1, {0x319760, [], SA_RESTART|SA_SIGINFO}, NULL, 
8) = 0

10227 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_UNBLOCK, [RTMIN RT_1], NULL, 8) = 0
10227 getrlimit(RLIMIT_STACK, {rlim_cur=8192*1024, 
rlim_max=RLIM_INFINITY}) = 0

10227 uname({sys=Linux, node=t60, ...}) = 0
10227 statfs64(/selinux, 84, {f_type=EXT2_SUPER_MAGIC, f_bsize=4096, 
f_blocks=27662569, f_bfree=5190843, f_bavail=3785658, f_files=14057472, 
f_ffree=13425663, f_fsid={-1774502679, 1875976236}, f_namelen=255, 
f_frsize=4096}) = 0

10227 open(/proc/cpuinfo, O_RDONLY)   = 3
10227 read(3, processor\t: 0\nvendor_id\t: Genuin..., 1024) = 1024
10227 read(3,  no\nfpu\t\t: yes\nfpu_exception\t: y..., 1024) = 382
10227 read(3, , 1024) = 0
10227 close(3)  = 0
10227 readlink(/etc/malloc.conf, 0xbfd64fab, 4096) = -1 ENOENT (No 
such file or directory)
10227 mmap2(NULL, 1048576, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, 
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb765d000

10227 futex(0xb775e890, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL


and that's the last line. It's been stucke there for awhile and no new 
lines are added to the file, so it looks like that futex is what's 
blocking. But why and what that means I don't know.


What do you think?

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Re: Tim O'Reilly in Tel Aviv?

[Michael Shiloh]

Probably there for Kinnernet, which was last weekend

On 04/08/2011 01:00 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote:

http://twitter.com/#!/timoreilly/status/56248124934586368

Gabor

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Re: Completely OT: Where can I find Hebrew etymology?

[Michael Shiloh]

alkeli comes to mind, but i don't have one handy i can check.

On 02/25/2011 04:01 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

Geeks, help me here! Where can I find the etymology (word root) for
non-Biblical Hebrew words? Words such as petria, or mivreshet? An
online source would be great, but I'm willing to buy a book if need
be.

Thanks!



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OLPC needs translation help in Arabic and Hebrew, among others

[Michael Shiloh]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 6:08 PM
Subject: [Localization] Calling all localizers
To: OLPC Localization list localizat...@lists.laptop.org


Dear Colleagues,

Just about every language (besides Spanish) has some strings that need
work.  Please consider volunteering some time and effort to improve
the localization in your favorite language.  Recruiting new localizers
is also a very valuable contribution.

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/

Thank you for all of your efforts.

cjl

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Re: Arduino in Israel

[Michael Shiloh]

wouldn't it be cheaper to order them from switzerland, where they are made?

On 10/21/2010 07:09 AM, Udi Finkelstein wrote:

Also, if you don't need these tomorrow morning, i.e. can order from
abroad, I would recommend:
www.seeedstudio.com http://www.seeedstudio.com
www.sparkfun.com http://www.sparkfun.com

seeed is based in China, but has the mentality of a young american
startup, not a chinese clone sweatshop.
They are heavily oriened towards open source hardware projects.
It is also cheaper than sparkfun (which itself isn't too expensive).
sparkfun airmail to Israel starts at $8, while seeed starts at around $2.80

Another interesting sire is www.gadgetfactory.com
http://www.gadgetfactory.com that offers FPGA boards with Arduino
compatible expansion, and an AVR soft core.

Udi

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Udi Finkelstein linux...@udif.com
mailto:linux...@udif.com wrote:
  You can also add:
 
  http://www.dash.co.il/index.php/cPath/1_7
  http://www.elector.co.il/index.php/krtis-pitvh-arduino.html
  https://www.4project.co.il/section.php?id=43
 
  I found these by searching Google  for arduino מחיר (without
quotes).
  This search technique is very useful.

Thanks for the links.

I wonder why none of them are linked from
http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Buy ?

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Re: Arduino in Israel

[Michael Shiloh]

The concept is italian, but the boards come from italy. i'm a vendor, 
and that's where i get mine.


it's extremely easy to become a vendor. there are no minimum 
requirements. there is a link somewhere on how to become a distributor.


i sell primarily to my students, mostly as a service. i buy them in 
quite small volumes, and not all of the time.


of course, you can build your own, on a breadboard, or however you want. 
you can even buy the ATMega328 chips from Sparkfun and others 
pre-programmed with the bootloader.


michael

On 10/21/2010 01:12 PM, Udi Finkelstein wrote:

Quote from the FAQ: http://arduino.cc/en/Main/FAQ

First, the Arduino concept is Italian, not from switzerland.
Second, see who manufactures the official boards.

Who makes Arduino boards?
Most of the official Arduino boards are manufactured by SmartProjects in
Italy. The Arduino Pro, Pro Mini, and LilyPad are manufactured by
SparkFun Electronics (a US company). The Arduino Nano is manufactured by
Gravitech (also a US company).

Since Arduino is based on open source technologies, you can:
1. Buy an original Arduino
2. Buy an Arduino clone that is exactly like the original.
3. Buy an Arduino compatible board.

The boards made seeed studio, called seeduino, are cheaper and better
than original Arduino boards.
1. They are manufactured in China and being sold directly from there to you.
2. Shipping costs for regular air mail from HK are very cheap.
Some of the boards use technologies not even offered by other Arduino
vendors. Take for example Seeeduino film (An Arduino compatible board
manufactured on a flexible film, like the one found in cameras and other
minituarized electronics, not a regular PCB).

Udi

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Michael Shiloh
michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com mailto:michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote:

wouldn't it be cheaper to order them from switzerland, where they
are made?


On 10/21/2010 07:09 AM, Udi Finkelstein wrote:

Also, if you don't need these tomorrow morning, i.e. can order from
abroad, I would recommend:
www.seeedstudio.com http://www.seeedstudio.com
http://www.seeedstudio.com
www.sparkfun.com http://www.sparkfun.com http://www.sparkfun.com


seeed is based in China, but has the mentality of a young american
startup, not a chinese clone sweatshop.
They are heavily oriened towards open source hardware projects.
It is also cheaper than sparkfun (which itself isn't too expensive).
sparkfun airmail to Israel starts at $8, while seeed starts at
around $2.80

Another interesting sire is www.gadgetfactory.com
http://www.gadgetfactory.com
http://www.gadgetfactory.com that offers FPGA boards with Arduino

compatible expansion, and an AVR soft core.

Udi

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com
mailto:szab...@gmail.com
mailto:szab...@gmail.com mailto:szab...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Udi Finkelstein
linux...@udif.com mailto:linux...@udif.com
mailto:linux...@udif.com mailto:linux...@udif.com wrote:
  You can also add:
 
  http://www.dash.co.il/index.php/cPath/1_7
  http://www.elector.co.il/index.php/krtis-pitvh-arduino.html
  https://www.4project.co.il/section.php?id=43
 
  I found these by searching Google  for arduino מחיר (without
quotes).
  This search technique is very useful.

Thanks for the links.

I wonder why none of them are linked from
http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Buy ?

Gabor




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Re: Linux users in Beer Sheva?

[Michael Shiloh]

If you start one, there's a great opportunity for a logo of Tux on the 
back of a camel...


On 08/09/2010 04:24 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

I'm moving to Beer Sheva, it does not seem that there is a LUG there. Anyone?



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Re: A 12V *AC* power supply

[Michael Shiloh]

I would expect it to work with 12VDC. It's unlikely that they run it 
through a transformer, and probably just rectify it, in which case 
you'll drop a volt or so.


If it doesn't work the first time you hook it up, reverse the polarity.

Worst case, they run the 12VAC directly into a switching power supply, 
in which case it won't damage anything, it just won't work.


On 07/12/2010 11:13 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:

Hi list,

I bought a USB connected logic analyzer for too much money (not that
much). When buying, I did a mistake and not thought through the issues,
and bought from a US supplier without telling them this needs to be a
220V country. As a result, I got an external power supply that is 110V,
which outputs 12V AC at 1000mA (why they do not write 1A, I do not know).

To my shame, I actually bought a universal DC supply without noticing
that it's AC I need, and started a support call with the company. They
were very nice, and when we, finally, found out the source (I hope it is
it), the guy said I could probably get by with 18VDC, but it would
strain the capacitors (my math suggests that 15VDC is closer to the mark).

So, does anyone know where I can get a 12V AC power supply? They are not
exactly a commodity.

Thanks,
Shachar

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Re: linux beivrit

[Michael Shiloh]

On 07/05/2010 09:11 AM, Ori Idan wrote:

Thank you very much for converting it to an open format.
I have read the first part and find it written very easy to read, I
liked it and will continue to read the rest.
However in the first paragraph you said that someone coming from Windows
will have the filling of going back in time, I don't understand why?


I agree with Ori on both counts: Easy to read, but get rid of the going 
back in time part. Even if the CLI is an older interface, the tone is 
almost apologetic.


I always tell my students not to start a presentation by apologizing for 
all the stuff they meant to have but ran out of time, or all the 
features that worked last night and broke since then.


Just state clearly what it is. Avoid comparisons. We are not trying to 
prove that Linux is better than Windows on every feature and function. 
They are different, for different purposes and different users.


If someone has picked up this book, they clearly already have an 
inclination to Linux. Accept this as a given, and proceed from there.


I like it, and I will read more.

Oh, and thanks for converting to ODT. DOC is just wrong in principle for 
this sort of work.


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Re: dual nvidia problems

[Michael Shiloh]

My first check would be to make sure you can see the 8600 at all. If you 
remove the 8400GS, does the 8600 work properly?


On 05/24/2010 10:02 PM, Erez D wrote:

hi

i have a computer running linux (centos 5.5), with attached two NVIDIAs
display adapters, one 8400 and one 8600. (both pci-e)

i want to run two X servers.


my first problem - lspci sees only one card - the 8400GS.


any idea ?


thanks,
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any israel OLPC activities?

[Michael Shiloh]

If so, can you direct me to mailing list or web page?

Tnx
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Re: Kudos to Osem

[Michael Shiloh]

Shachar Shemesh wrote:

  Oron Peled wrote:

The special thanks for Osem should be for not being clueless -- E.g: let's
use ActiveX, or even better, SilverPlight ;-)

  
I'll gladly thank them IF I find out it was a conscious decision - i.e. 
- that it was not the random choice of contractor that made them choose 
those particular technologies.


On second thought, maybe praising them even if the choice was random is 
still a good idea. Not sure.



Absolutely a good idea. If they have never heard of, or considered, 
Linux, you have educated them. And next time, it might not be random.


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Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

[Michael Shiloh]

Openmoko has departed the cellphone business and no longer makes the 
FreeRunner, although you can buy them and there is still very large 
community support.


Arie Skliarouk wrote:

Hi,

Four months later... Responding to myself :)

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 13:05, Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com 
mailto:sklia...@gmail.com wrote:


For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with
Linux and GPS.

Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think
it is dying for several reasons:
 * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues


The bug affects only 2% of users:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix
Is it the case in Israel as well?
 


 * It has weak connectivity (GPRS)


It should not matter much as I am not going to use the internet much 
because of the outrageous cellular internet prices that are in use in 
Israel. It is somewhat an advantage, as you can't break the internet 
limit easily.
The GPRS speed (64Kbit/s) should be enough for SIP call. Can someone 
confirm that?
And how fast is battery drained when GPRS is constanly on (For chats, 
incoming SIP calls, updates)?
 


 * There is no quality applications for it (like GPS turn-by-turn
navigation) due to chicken-egg problem and lack of DRM.


Someone reported using freerunner with android and andnav2 (albeit slow 
and requires internet access)

http://android.koolu.org/pipermail/android-freerunner-koolu.org/2009-August/001260.html

This makes me look into direction of Android G1. It is too young to
have elaborated applications support, but it already has
http://www.andnav.org/ that uses OpenStreetMap data.


The android-freerunner is pretty active lately:
http://android.koolu.org/pipermail/android-freerunner-koolu.org/2009-September/thread.html
So it can be viewed as a cheap version of the real Android, albeit 
without the Android Market.


Currently there is no coverage for Israel though:
http://www.andnav.org/images/stories/news/coverage/


The andnav page does not say that Israel is supported, but there already 
is MapTilePack for Israel:

http://wiki.andnav.org/index.php/List_Of_MapTilePacks/

Has anyone checked andnav with that?

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Open hardware (was: Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone)

[Michael Shiloh]

Shachar Shemesh wrote:

  Michael Shiloh wrote:
Openmoko has departed the cellphone business and no longer makes the 
FreeRunner, although you can buy them and there is still very large 
community support.

Quoth the man who has worked for them and have been burned... :-(


Thanks. I have no hard feelings, though. I'm sure we've all worked for 
companies that folded.


I do wish it had been more successful, though, for the same reason as 
the OP: I want a true GNU smartphone.





Actually, that fact matters very little, if you think about it. If Nokia 
goes out of business one day after you bought one of their phones, does 
that matter to you? For that matter, if Nokia issue a new model of their 
phone, priced exactly the same as the previous one, one day after you 
bought your phone, does that matter to you (beyond the damn effect, of 
course). A cell phone is a consumer product. Once you own it, it's 
yours. If the Neo Freerunner is a good phone, then the fact that FIC is 
no longer contemplating a new version does not really matter to you.


Having said that, I have moved off the Freerunner myself (except as a 
portable battery powered Linux machine). It had something to do with the 
fact that my GSM receiver stopped working, but also with the fact that 
it suffers the classic market pioneer syndrom - it's not very good 
:-(. It is bulky, heavy, has a small screen (with too high a 
resolution), and doesn't have a high enough battery life. 


Yup, same here. I have some hopes that the community produces some 
software that is good enough that I can use the phone for something, but 
otherwise, it's another item in box of things I can't use, but can't 
throw away either...






It's a
wonderful dream, and I still hope someone realizes it. Furthermore, the 
FOSS model triumphs again, in that, despite FIC not being the one to 
produce a completely free phone, the next one to come along and try will 
have a better starting position, with much more mature software to work 
off of.



Not a phone, but have you been following qi-hardware, formed by some 
ex-Openmoko people?


http://www.qi-hardware.com/

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Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Michael Shiloh]

I'd love to know if the Arduino IDE and FTDI USB serial port drivers 
function properly. Do you have an Arduino, or can you borrow one from 
someone to test?


Of course the first part (Arduino IDE) can be downloaded for free and 
tested.


IIRC Ubuntu 9.04 includes the FTDI driver already.

Thanks!
Michael

Boaz Rymland wrote:



Hi all,


So I made the move and bought it. Here are my findings:


*Maker + Model:* Acer 5738ZG. That's a little upgraded in comparison to 
the original model suggested - with 4GB RAM and NVIDIA GPU. The rest of 
the specs are the same.


*Distro Installed: *Ubuntu 9.04, amd64.*
*

*Wifi:* worked out of the box (atheros).

*Touchpad:* Worked out of the box, but disabling it and then trying to 
enable it - it is not enabled, until X (or was it machine?) restart. 
Anybody got a link for a solution?


*Card Reader:* Worked out of the box, at least with SD card (didn't try 
other types).


*X: *This laptop model is equipped with NVIDIA G105M chipset. I didn't 
work out of the box: ubuntu installed its latest nvidia drivers but 
those were too old to know this card. When vesa or some other default 
driver was used, X run, but not in optimal resolution and no 
acceleration. I battled it too much apparently and all you need to do is 
install the latest drivers from nvidia (185), skipping the ubuntu repos 
driver, and use a nice(?) xorg.conf I've found on the web (for laptops 
with my GPU/screen specs).


*Power management:* with the nvidia driver mentioned above used, power 
management worked perfectly. I configured my laptop to do as I wish upon 
lead closing (for AC/battery) and it works smoothly. CPU Scaling was 
also perfectly supported.


*Bluetooth? *not on this model.  just ordered a tiny BT USB dongle. Hope 
that it works... .


*WebCam:* not working out of the box. Haven't really tried setting it up 
yet.


*Sound:* worked out of the box.

*Anything else? *mail me for questions... .


Boaz.


Boaz Rymland wrote:


Hi all,


Can anyone provide feedback on the following Acer laptop, or any other 
Acer Linux based laptops? (Interestingly, searching for linux word 
in laptop section in zap.co.il shows almost exclusively only Acer 
results: http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptopkeyword=linux 
http://zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=C-PCLaptopkeyword=linux). In 
specific - how well all hardware goodies work in linux - power 
management/scaling, wifi, bluetooth, card reader, X, etc etc...



The model is *Acer Aspire AS5738Z-422G25MN*. It comes with Intel Dual 
Core T4200 and Intel GMA 4500.



Thanks,

Boaz.





 
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Re: [SOLVED?] Re: Feedback on Acer laptop w. Linux

[Michael Shiloh]

Boaz Rymland wrote:

Michael Shiloh wrote:
I'd love to know if the Arduino IDE and FTDI USB serial port drivers 
function properly. Do you have an Arduino, or can you borrow one from 
someone to test?
Possibly I have one - I just need to know how it looks like to figure 
that out :-)
What's that? This?: http://www.arduino.cc/ . 



Yes, that's it.


If so, then I don't have one. If you have that thing and want me to plug 
it into the USB, mail me

privately to see if its possible.


Will do.

Michael

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Can't view movies at HUJI archive (castup). Do they work for you?

[Michael Shiloh]

I've always assumed it's a Linux issue, but before I complain to them, 
does this work for anyone else?


I'm running Ubuntu 9.04.

http://w3.castup.net/spielberg/index.aspx?lang=enid=20

The trailer at the begining runs (duration: a couple of seconds), but 
then the main feature stalls.


Michael

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Re: I don't want to do it under Windows ; please help

[Michael Shiloh]

Have you looked at Inkscape? It's a rather incredible vector drawing 
program. I found it pretty easy to pick up, and I have no drawing 
program experience. You have great control over every single parameter, 
and there is a great online tutorial.


Dan Shimshoni wrote:

Hello,
  Please help me to stay with Linux and not
go back to Windows...
I had stopped using windows about two years ago;
though I have a dual boot , I almost did not
boot into windows in the recent two years.
I am very satisfied with Linux. Everything
that I had in Windows I could get in Linux.
But:
now, I had to prepare some diagrams. I tried
with the dia tool. I created a diagram and
converted it to png. The result is reasonable.
However,...
I need to draw some arrows in an angle and
I need to add some text **parallel** to these lines. This means that
the text should not be
vertical or horizontal, but in an anlge (30 or 45).
And it seems that this is **not** possible in dia.

Does any one know a tool with which it can be done?

To be more specific, what I need to do as something
like what is depicted here (and can be done with
visio):
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1087425seqNum=21

please look at figure 3.44

I really do **not** want to use visio for it; not unbder windows and
not under some virtual machine
emulating windows and not under wine.

Any ideas ? Is there such a tool in Linux.

I want to stress that the final diagrams shold be
in *.png.

Rgs,
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Re: Is there a way to print from the cliboard?

[Michael Shiloh]

Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:



Michael Shiloh wrote:


I'm editing a file, or viewing a web page, or whatever.

I'm interested in printing only a small portion of it.

I'd like to be able to essentially print selection.

Of course this would require that each program (gvim, firefox, 
thunderbird, terminal, whatever) provide such an option.


Alternately, I can copy to my clipboard, and then through some clever 
utility (I assume there are clipboard utilities?) print from 
clipboard. This would work with any source, regardless of whether the 
program supports printing selection or not.


But when I searched I could not find the answer.

Anyone know? Does such a think exist?


$ xclip -o | lpr

but it works only with text... :-)

Gilad


That's a feature, not a bug! (I'm a vi and command line kinda guy...)

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Re: Is there a way to print from the cliboard?

[Michael Shiloh]

Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

Alternately, I can copy to my clipboard, and then through some clever 
utility (I assume there are clipboard utilities?) print from 
clipboard. This would work with any source, regardless of whether the 
program supports printing selection or not.


But when I searched I could not find the answer.

Anyone know? Does such a think exist?


$ xclip -o | lpr




oh xclip, where have you been all my life?

(this is exactly what i need)

thanks!

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Is there a way to print from the cliboard?

[Michael Shiloh]

I'm editing a file, or viewing a web page, or whatever.

I'm interested in printing only a small portion of it.

I'd like to be able to essentially print selection.

Of course this would require that each program (gvim, firefox, 
thunderbird, terminal, whatever) provide such an option.


Alternately, I can copy to my clipboard, and then through some clever 
utility (I assume there are clipboard utilities?) print from clipboard. 
This would work with any source, regardless of whether the program 
supports printing selection or not.


But when I searched I could not find the answer.

Anyone know? Does such a think exist?

Thanks!
M

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Re: what's a reliable, easy to use slide show presenter?

[Michael Shiloh]

Meir Kriheli wrote:

Michael Shiloh wrote:


Micha Feigin wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:53:30 -0800
Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote:


Big Lesson:
Big lesson learned: It took us a long time to get the projector to
display from my laptop. It took a combination of the screen
resolution applet, the Thinkpad Fn buttons, and rebooting, and
truthfully, I'm not sure exactly what did it. We finally got it to
work mirroring my laptop screen, so I didn't have any secrets -
whatever I typed was in front of the audience. This actually was
amusing because I opened a terminal to invoke kuickshow. Later
someone from the audience came up and said Wow, you do robots, fire,
and command line. Really cool. (The talk was about machine art.)


What thinkpad  and what graphics card?


T60

Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
(from lshw)


I have the same one on my X60s. Connecting VGA and running:
xrandr --auto

Worked for me so far on various projectors (for clone mode).



Thanks for the suggestions! I'll try your and Micha's suggestions.

Thanks much,
Michael

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Re: what's a reliable, easy to use slide show presenter?

[Michael Shiloh]

Hey, I wanted to let everyone know the follow-up to this conversation, 
as it was an interesting exercise with a valuable lesson.


Big Plus:
I ended up using kuickshow, as it was the only program I could find that 
would scale (for display only) every image during a show to the maximum 
screen size, without having to know that screen size in advance. This 
was important because I didn't know the projector resolution beforehand.


I actually had two kuickshows running on different virtual windows: one 
was cycling through an assortment of slides, while the second I would 
advance manually to correspond to my talk. I jumped between the two by 
jumping between the virtual windows.


Big Minus:
Big disadvantage of kuickshow: I couldn't see an option to cycle through 
slides randomly. I may look into filing a feature request.


Big Lesson:
Big lesson learned: It took us a long time to get the projector to 
display from my laptop. It took a combination of the screen resolution 
applet, the Thinkpad Fn buttons, and rebooting, and truthfully, I'm not 
sure exactly what did it. We finally got it to work mirroring my laptop 
screen, so I didn't have any secrets - whatever I typed was in front of 
the audience. This actually was amusing because I opened a terminal to 
invoke kuickshow. Later someone from the audience came up and said Wow, 
you do robots, fire, and command line. Really cool. (The talk was about 
machine art.)


I have to figure out how to enable an external monitor reliably before I 
talk in public again (which will be in Israel next month).


Thanks everyone for your input - as always you are a very helpful and 
informative group, and I learned from all of your replies, not just the 
one I ended up using. For instance, I had no idea that ImageMagick had 
so many features.


Shalom,
Michael





Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:

Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il writes:

at the very least, i want to point it at a directory of images, and 
cycle through them, pausing for a couple of seconds on each picture.

If it's only images (no text slides), than you can simply point
digikam at the directory and press the slide show button.


Another option (images only, your computer, KDE app) is kuickshow.

If you don't know which computer you will be using, and/or it is a
general presentation (not just images), go with PDF. On Linux I
actually prefer kpdf to display slides, but acroread may be more
common and more familiar.



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Re: what's a reliable, easy to use slide show presenter?

[Michael Shiloh]

Micha Feigin wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:53:30 -0800
Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote:








Big Lesson:
Big lesson learned: It took us a long time to get the projector to 
display from my laptop. It took a combination of the screen resolution 
applet, the Thinkpad Fn buttons, and rebooting, and truthfully, I'm not 
sure exactly what did it. We finally got it to work mirroring my laptop 
screen, so I didn't have any secrets - whatever I typed was in front of 
the audience. This actually was amusing because I opened a terminal to 
invoke kuickshow. Later someone from the audience came up and said Wow, 
you do robots, fire, and command line. Really cool. (The talk was about 
machine art.)




What thinkpad  and what graphics card?



T60

Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
(from lshw)

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Re: what's a reliable, easy to use slide show presenter?

[Michael Shiloh]

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 06:20:09PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:

Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com writes:


What's a good way to automatically create a pdf file from a bunch of
images?

Hmm... It is easy to convert each image to PDF, e.g., with

$ for i in *.jpg; do convert -resize 1024x768 $i ${i%.*}.pdf; done

or similar, but you want to create a presentation...


convert *.jpg presentation.pdf



These ideas are all wonderful - keep them coming. I'm going to read up 
on ImageMagick


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Re: what's a reliable, easy to use slide show presenter?

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Amit Aronovitch wrote:

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote:

Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il writes:


at the very least, i want to point it at a directory of images, and
cycle through them, pausing for a couple of seconds on each picture.

If it's only images (no text slides), than you can simply point
digikam at the directory and press the slide show button.

Another option (images only, your computer, KDE app) is kuickshow.



For Gnome Desktop : gthumb
Its my favorite photo-browser, and F12 starts a slideshow.

Slideshow supports keyboard control, mouse-button control, and a
control panel that appears if you mouse over to the top of the screen.




gthumb seems to do almost exactly what I want. One question:

During a slide show, the control panel includes a zoom to fit window 
button.


Unfortunately this button affects only the one image currently being 
displayed.


Is there some way to request that every image be zoomed to fit window?

I prefer this to resizing because I'm not sure of the resolution of the 
projector, and I won't have time at the conference to resize on the 
spot. The loss of quality due to zooming is not a great concern to me.


Thanks,
Michael

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what's a reliable, easy to use slide show presenter?

[Michael Shiloh]

i need to make a slide show from a bunch of photographs. i can use 
openoffice impress, but perhaps there is something more lightweight and 
easier to use.


at the very least, i want to point it at a directory of images, and 
cycle through them, pausing for a couple of seconds on each picture.


it would be nice if i could also pause and control it manually, so that 
i can select individual pictures, but that's not crucial.


this will be shown at a conference with a projector, so good handling of 
 different resolutions would be important. my laptop has so far done 
pretty well at recognizing projectors.


any advice appreciated.

oh, and i'm ubuntu 8.10 on thinkpad t60, if that makes any difference.

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