RE: Options (Re: VMware and competing products)
A few days late... Here is a comparative review of VMWare Workstation, Virtaul PC and Bochs: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1054 HTH, Martin Polley Technical Communicator http://www.surf-com.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (+972) (4) 9095-732 Mobile: (053) 864-280 ICQ 15617901 -Original Message- From: guy keren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:28 PM To: Omer Zak Cc: linux ILUG Subject: Re: Options (Re: VMware and competing products) On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Omer Zak wrote: According to a brief Web surfing session, the options are: Bochs - a Free emulator - not suitable for my needs, because it is emulator and not virtualizer (i.e. very slow). plex86 - a Free virtualizer - suitable for people, who want to develop it rather than use it as a reliable tool for their own work. For me to use it, would be like using a 2.5.* kernel for my regular development work. VMware - Workstation 3.2 costs $299 per license, and 30-day free evaluation is available. Some people recommend it. Can use Linux based host. VirtualPC (http://www.connectix.com) - Virtual PC5 for Windows costs $229, There is no information about a version running under Linux host, but I sent them an E-mail message asking about this. use vmware, and forget about anything else. for 300$, you get something that works, that gets further developed, that works quite well, and with a near-current CPU will work fast enough for your needs (any p-III 700Mhz or above would make it almost invisible). the support for 'undo' of file system changes is valuable with software that might corrupt the system, as well as with testing installation scripts. saving on those 300$ is a simple waste of time, and other products don't tend to come near what VMWare does. at my former workplace, VMWare was used to test installatin procedures - they had several operating system copies with it, and it saved a lot of time for developers. btw, just to add to the confusion, you always have the option of using norton ghost to save a copy of partitions, and install and delete them when needed - it takes about 5 minutes to recover a typical windows 2000 installation (10 minutes if done over a network). but this is quite inferior relative to the time it takes booting an OS under VMWare. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Options (Re: VMware and competing products)
Thanks to Marc de'Terrible, Shimon Panfil, Martin Polley, Yedidyah Bar-David and Aviram Jenik for their answers to my previous E-mail message. According to a brief Web surfing session, the options are: Bochs - a Free emulator - not suitable for my needs, because it is emulator and not virtualizer (i.e. very slow). plex86 - a Free virtualizer - suitable for people, who want to develop it rather than use it as a reliable tool for their own work. For me to use it, would be like using a 2.5.* kernel for my regular development work. VMware - Workstation 3.2 costs $299 per license, and 30-day free evaluation is available. Some people recommend it. Can use Linux based host. VirtualPC (http://www.connectix.com) - Virtual PC5 for Windows costs $229, There is no information about a version running under Linux host, but I sent them an E-mail message asking about this. At the risk of being off-topic, is there anyone who has used VirtualPC and can tell about his/her experience with it? And, are there any other options, which I overlooked? --- Omer There is no IGLU Cabal. However, instructions how to virtualize one can be found in Douglas Adams's The Hitchhiker's Guide to Galaxy. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Options (Re: VMware and competing products)
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002, Omer Zak wrote about Options (Re: VMware and competing products): And, are there any other options, which I overlooked? If I understand correctly, you're interested in long, non-interactive, compilations, not in interactive development (which you say you're doing on a Linux machine anyway). In this case, why do you need at all to concurrently run several copies of Windows? If you're *sure* you can't install the two SDKs at the same time, why not write a script that will copy files around to switch the SDKs? Perhaps (if it's not too slow) even install/uninstall them every time automatically. If that can't work, and compilations are to be long enough (or you don't care about turnaround time), you can keep two Windows partitions and reboot to switch compilers. -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Oct 1 2002, 25 Tishri 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Take my advice, I don't use it anyway. http://nadav.harel.org.il | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Options (Re: VMware and competing products)
Hello Nadav, On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Tue, Oct 01, 2002, Omer Zak wrote about Options (Re: VMware and competing products): And, are there any other options, which I overlooked? If I understand correctly, you're interested in long, non-interactive, compilations, not in interactivedevelopment (which you say you're doing on a Linux machine anyway). Actually, my situation is: 1. The compilations are short (few minutes long for the entire project). 2. The SDKs contain also emulators, which I sometimes use to test the compiled software. In this case, why do you need at all to concurrently run several copies of Windows? If you're *sure* you can't install the two SDKs at the same time, why not write a script that will copy files around to switch the SDKs? The SDKs use separate file namespaces. The conflicts are in the Registry and environment variables. Perhaps (if it's not too slow) even install/uninstall them every time automatically. If that can't work, and compilations are to be long enough (or you don't care about turnaround time), you can keep two Windowspartitions and reboot to switch compilers. I don't care about the time it takes to switch from one SDK to another SDK, but the installation/uninstallation processes are not automated. The suggestion to dedicate a Windows partition to each SDK may work, if it is possible to hide all unwanted partitions when rebooting the machine to use a certain SDK. We'd have to partition the machine to have the maximum allowed number of partitions, to have room for future SDKs, but this can be done in the era of 80GB hard disks. I like the idea of using VMware (or a similar product) due to other reasons, but it will be nice to save money if we can get by without using VMware. --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Options (Re: VMware and competing products)
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Omer Zak wrote: According to a brief Web surfing session, the options are: Bochs - a Free emulator - not suitable for my needs, because it is emulator and not virtualizer (i.e. very slow). plex86 - a Free virtualizer - suitable for people, who want to develop it rather than use it as a reliable tool for their own work. For me to use it, would be like using a 2.5.* kernel for my regular development work. VMware - Workstation 3.2 costs $299 per license, and 30-day free evaluation is available. Some people recommend it. Can use Linux based host. VirtualPC (http://www.connectix.com) - Virtual PC5 for Windows costs $229, There is no information about a version running under Linux host, but I sent them an E-mail message asking about this. use vmware, and forget about anything else. for 300$, you get something that works, that gets further developed, that works quite well, and with a near-current CPU will work fast enough for your needs (any p-III 700Mhz or above would make it almost invisible). the support for 'undo' of file system changes is valuable with software that might corrupt the system, as well as with testing installation scripts. saving on those 300$ is a simple waste of time, and other products don't tend to come near what VMWare does. at my former workplace, VMWare was used to test installatin procedures - they had several operating system copies with it, and it saved a lot of time for developers. btw, just to add to the confusion, you always have the option of using norton ghost to save a copy of partitions, and install and delete them when needed - it takes about 5 minutes to recover a typical windows 2000 installation (10 minutes if done over a network). but this is quite inferior relative to the time it takes booting an OS under VMWare. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
