Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-08 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Fri, Jun 06, 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset: We are trying to get someone from Google to talk about Android during August Penguin, but my main concern with it is that, at least so far, it appears like it will not be very

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-08 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Fri, Jun 06, 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote about Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset: You try running two toolkits at once on a 400 mHz processor with 128MB RAM, tell me how well it runs, then we'll discuss the option. When I first used X-Windows, the computer I used

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 09:57:26AM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote about Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset: You try running two toolkits at once on a 400 mHz processor with 128MB RAM, tell me how well it runs, then we'll

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/8 Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Jun 06, 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote about Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset: You try running two toolkits at once on a 400 mHz processor with 128MB RAM, tell me how well it runs, then we'll discuss the option. When I

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-08 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Jun 08, 2008, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset: The fact that software is bloated and sucks isn't a fact of nature and wasn't even always true. It can, and should be, fixed. There is absolutely no reason why a toolkit like

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/7 Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: to me this means as if OpenMoko expect Qtopia will be the more popular chice and GTK is that just for conveniance, am I wrong? I asked on the Openmoko list and they said to look at these threads. I am simply too swamped with studies to check now. Here

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-07 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Fri, 06 Jun: 2008/6/6 Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Tue, 03 Jun: decision. Maybe the ETK/GTK/Qt decision is not arbitrary, but from here it certainly seems so. don't blow it out of proportions either. it does

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-07 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Shachar Shemesh, from the post of Fri, 06 Jun: Ira Abramov wrote: In fact, I would not be surprised if they take over the Symbian market within a year or two as well. the iPhone will survive, but I think OpenMoko is too slow and heavy to stay afloat in the coming flood. We are

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-07 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/7 Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You try running two toolkits at once on a 400 mHz processor with 128 MB RAM, tell me how well it runs, then we'll discuss the option. a. this was exactly my point about adding in QT support, it made no sense adding a fourth toolkit to a platform that

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-07 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Sat, 07 Jun: You try running two toolkits at once on a 400 mHz processor with 128 MB RAM, tell me how well it runs, then we'll discuss the option. a. this was exactly my point about adding in QT support, it made no sense adding a fourth toolkit to a

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-07 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Ira Abramov, from the post of Sat, 07 Jun: I'm not fluent in the Openmoko-verse, but I think it seems you are right, it's GtK and Qtopia. however according to this (out of date?) page, the base apps are GTK and not ETK, so which is right? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Why_Not_QT

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-07 Thread Dotan Cohen
to me this means as if OpenMoko expect Qtopia will be the more popular chice and GTK is that just for conveniance, am I wrong? I will ask on the OpenMoko list and get back to you. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ira Abramov wrote: In fact, I would not be surprised if they take over the Symbian market within a year or two as well. the iPhone will survive, but I think OpenMoko is too slow and heavy to stay afloat in the coming flood. We are trying to get someone from Google to talk about Android

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-06 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/6 Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Tue, 03 Jun: decision. Maybe the ETK/GTK/Qt decision is not arbitrary, but from here it certainly seems so. don't blow it out of proportions either. it does come with GTK, just that the DEFAULT IMPLEMENTATION of

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-05 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Tue, 03 Jun: decision. Maybe the ETK/GTK/Qt decision is not arbitrary, but from here it certainly seems so. don't blow it out of proportions either. it does come with GTK, just that the DEFAULT IMPLEMENTATION of the interface is not GTK. you can (and people

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-03 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/6/3 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are confusing two completely different things. It is one thing to claim adding accessibility support to the product will increase its cost, and not increase its market share enough, to make the product non-commercially viable. This claim,

Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset (was: Re: Openmoko Group sale)

2008-06-02 Thread Omer Zak
Chiming in the discussion, my 7 agorot (2 cents) are as follows. The mindset of the Openmoko developers seems to me to be anti-accessibility. It stands to reason that they'll turn down requests to provide for accessibility to people with disabilities. The devices are probably inherently

Re: Anti-RTL mindset is similar to anti-accessibility mindset

2008-06-02 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Omer Zak wrote: Chiming in the discussion, my 7 agorot (2 cents) are as follows. The mindset of the Openmoko developers seems to me to be anti-accessibility. It stands to reason that they'll turn down requests to provide for accessibility to people with disabilities. The devices are probably