Re: Palm to Android via Linux
On 01/06/11 10:41, Meir Michanie wrote: Hi Shlomo, Android only uses the LINUX kernel. I was going to say that if your question is not relatyed to the kernel, then it is an android question and it is out of topic. Or not? The consensus seems to be that so long as we don't drown out the Linux side of the list, questions on anything Unixish or Open-sourceish in nature are okay. I believe the good people of this list will point it out when this arrangement seizes to work well. Shachar If I have a question on running something on Debian GNU/Hurd is my question out of topic? If I use PCBSD and I have a question related to kde or gnome, is my question out of topic? If I have a question about configuring my linksys or d-link router that runs a linux kernel, is my question out of topic? On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Shlomo Solomonshlomo.solo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having a strange problem moving some memo files from my Palm Zire to a new Android phone. Since 2 of the 3 platforms I'm using are Linux (my PC and my phone), I think this is on-topic - so long as we don't get into an arguement about whether Android is really Linux or not ;-). 1 - I used jpilot to export Palm memo files to text files 2 - the files look fine in a Linux text editor (Kwrite, Kate, etc) 3 - I used Dropbox to move the files to my phone 4 - When I open the files on the phone (with various editors), there are strange line breaks (seem to be random - between words, in the middle of a word or even after each letter) - like this: This is a tes t to show an exa m p l e 5 - I tried opening the files in Open Office (in Linux) and saving as .odt and again copied to the phone with dropbox 6 - The Android Open Office reader app now reads the files properly. Any ideas why the original text files show this behaviour? BTW - when I opened the files in Open Office (in Linux), I checked to see if there were un-printable characters, but that doesn't seem to be the problem. I even looked at the files in hexedit to see if there were any unusual characters, but found nothing unusual. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.13.3 (KDE 4.4.3) on LINUX Mandriva 2010.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Palm to Android via Linux
I'm having a strange problem moving some memo files from my Palm Zire to a new Android phone. Since 2 of the 3 platforms I'm using are Linux (my PC and my phone), I think this is on-topic - so long as we don't get into an arguement about whether Android is really Linux or not ;-). 1 - I used jpilot to export Palm memo files to text files 2 - the files look fine in a Linux text editor (Kwrite, Kate, etc) 3 - I used Dropbox to move the files to my phone 4 - When I open the files on the phone (with various editors), there are strange line breaks (seem to be random - between words, in the middle of a word or even after each letter) - like this: This is a tes t to show an exa m p l e 5 - I tried opening the files in Open Office (in Linux) and saving as .odt and again copied to the phone with dropbox 6 - The Android Open Office reader app now reads the files properly. Any ideas why the original text files show this behaviour? BTW - when I opened the files in Open Office (in Linux), I checked to see if there were un-printable characters, but that doesn't seem to be the problem. I even looked at the files in hexedit to see if there were any unusual characters, but found nothing unusual. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.13.3 (KDE 4.4.3) on LINUX Mandriva 2010.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
I've encountered the opposite problem. Files I create in a Linux text editor (Kwrite) don't open properly in Windows Notepad. I get the entire file on one line. Maybe there's something strange going on behind the scenes in KDE? On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Shlomo Solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.comwrote: I'm having a strange problem moving some memo files from my Palm Zire to a new Android phone. Since 2 of the 3 platforms I'm using are Linux (my PC and my phone), I think this is on-topic - so long as we don't get into an arguement about whether Android is really Linux or not ;-). 1 - I used jpilot to export Palm memo files to text files 2 - the files look fine in a Linux text editor (Kwrite, Kate, etc) 3 - I used Dropbox to move the files to my phone 4 - When I open the files on the phone (with various editors), there are strange line breaks (seem to be random - between words, in the middle of a word or even after each letter) - like this: This is a tes t to show an exa m p l e 5 - I tried opening the files in Open Office (in Linux) and saving as .odt and again copied to the phone with dropbox 6 - The Android Open Office reader app now reads the files properly. Any ideas why the original text files show this behaviour? BTW - when I opened the files in Open Office (in Linux), I checked to see if there were un-printable characters, but that doesn't seem to be the problem. I even looked at the files in hexedit to see if there were any unusual characters, but found nothing unusual. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.13.3 (KDE 4.4.3) on LINUX Mandriva 2010.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
2011/6/1 Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il I've encountered the opposite problem. Files I create in a Linux text editor (Kwrite) don't open properly in Windows Notepad. I get the entire file on one line. Maybe there's something strange going on behind the scenes in KDE? That's something else and relates to the way Unix and Windows define newline. You could run your file through the unix2dos utility prior to moving it to Windows, and it will most probably solve your issue. Alternatively, if you'll be using Kate (which I think is better than KWrite), you have Tools - End of Line - UNIX (and you can change there to Windows/DOS) HTH, -- Shimi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
'\n' isn't a newline everywhere? Or even '\r'? On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM, shimi linux...@shimi.net wrote: 2011/6/1 Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il I've encountered the opposite problem. Files I create in a Linux text editor (Kwrite) don't open properly in Windows Notepad. I get the entire file on one line. Maybe there's something strange going on behind the scenes in KDE? That's something else and relates to the way Unix and Windows define newline. You could run your file through the unix2dos utility prior to moving it to Windows, and it will most probably solve your issue. Alternatively, if you'll be using Kate (which I think is better than KWrite), you have Tools - End of Line - UNIX (and you can change there to Windows/DOS) HTH, -- Shimi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 10:22:32AM +0300, shimi wrote: 2011/6/1 Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il I've encountered the opposite problem. Files I create in a Linux text editor (Kwrite) don't open properly in Windows Notepad. I get the entire file on one line. Maybe there's something strange going on behind the scenes in KDE? That's something else and relates to the way Unix and Windows define newline. You could run your file through the unix2dos utility prior to moving it to Windows, and it will most probably solve your issue. Alternatively, if you'll be using Kate (which I think is better than KWrite), you have Tools - End of Line - UNIX (and you can change there to Windows/DOS) You can also open it in windows with Write (sometimes called Wordpad) by right-click - Open with - Write (or wordpad). It knows Unix newlines. -- Didi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: '\n' isn't a newline everywhere? Or even '\r'? Windows != Everywhere :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline#History -- Shimi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
Well, thanks for clearing that up :) On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:33 AM, shimi linux...@shimi.net wrote: On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: '\n' isn't a newline everywhere? Or even '\r'? Windows != Everywhere :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline#History -- Shimi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
Hi Mordecha,
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 10:24:22AM +0300, Mordecha Behar wrote:
'\n' isn't a newline everywhere?
Or even '\r'?
No. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline.
baruch
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM, shimi linux...@shimi.net wrote:
2011/6/1 Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il
I've encountered the opposite problem.
Files I create in a Linux text editor (Kwrite) don't open properly in
Windows Notepad. I get the entire file on one line.
Maybe there's something strange going on behind the scenes in KDE?
That's something else and relates to the way Unix and Windows define
newline.
You could run your file through the unix2dos utility prior to moving it to
Windows, and it will most probably solve your issue.
Alternatively, if you'll be using Kate (which I think is better than
KWrite), you have Tools - End of Line - UNIX (and you can change there to
Windows/DOS)
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Re: Palm to Android via Linux
Hi Shlomo, Android only uses the LINUX kernel. I was going to say that if your question is not relatyed to the kernel, then it is an android question and it is out of topic. Or not? If I have a question on running something on Debian GNU/Hurd is my question out of topic? If I use PCBSD and I have a question related to kde or gnome, is my question out of topic? If I have a question about configuring my linksys or d-link router that runs a linux kernel, is my question out of topic? On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Shlomo Solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having a strange problem moving some memo files from my Palm Zire to a new Android phone. Since 2 of the 3 platforms I'm using are Linux (my PC and my phone), I think this is on-topic - so long as we don't get into an arguement about whether Android is really Linux or not ;-). 1 - I used jpilot to export Palm memo files to text files 2 - the files look fine in a Linux text editor (Kwrite, Kate, etc) 3 - I used Dropbox to move the files to my phone 4 - When I open the files on the phone (with various editors), there are strange line breaks (seem to be random - between words, in the middle of a word or even after each letter) - like this: This is a tes t to show an exa m p l e 5 - I tried opening the files in Open Office (in Linux) and saving as .odt and again copied to the phone with dropbox 6 - The Android Open Office reader app now reads the files properly. Any ideas why the original text files show this behaviour? BTW - when I opened the files in Open Office (in Linux), I checked to see if there were un-printable characters, but that doesn't seem to be the problem. I even looked at the files in hexedit to see if there were any unusual characters, but found nothing unusual. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.13.3 (KDE 4.4.3) on LINUX Mandriva 2010.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
2011/6/1 Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il: '\n' isn't a newline everywhere? Or even '\r'? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline to fire up your imagination ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:18:18 +0300 From: Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il To: shl...@the-solomons.net Cc: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Palm to Android via Linux Message-ID: BANLkTi=npomv4merk0d9tqwdp9ktqyb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've encountered the opposite problem. Files I create in a Linux text editor (Kwrite) don't open properly in Windows Notepad. I get the entire file on one line. Maybe there's something strange going on behind the scenes in KDE? On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Shlomo Solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having a strange problem moving some memo files from my Palm Zire to a new Android phone. Since 2 of the 3 platforms I'm using are Linux (my PC and my phone), I think this is on-topic - so long as we don't get into an arguement about whether Android is really Linux or not ;-). 1 - I used jpilot to export Palm memo files to text files 2 - the files look fine in a Linux text editor (Kwrite, Kate, etc) 3 - I used Dropbox to move the files to my phone 4 - When I open the files on the phone (with various editors), there are strange line breaks (seem to be random - between words, in the middle of a word or even after each letter) - like this: This is a tes t to show an exa m p l e 5 - I tried opening the files in Open Office (in Linux) and saving as .odt and again copied to the phone with dropbox 6 - The Android Open Office reader app now reads the files properly. Any ideas why the original text files show this behaviour? BTW - when I opened the files in Open Office (in Linux), I checked to see if there were un-printable characters, but that doesn't seem to be the problem. I even looked at the files in hexedit to see if there were any unusual characters, but found nothing unusual. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.13.3 (KDE 4.4.3) on LINUX Mandriva 2010.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/pipermail/linux-il/attachments/20110601/a7117193/attachment.html Windows needs the CRLF pair while Linux provides the LF only at the end of a text - line Saba Moshe ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
As I already wrote, I don't want to get into an arguement about what is or isn't LINUX, and I think the examples Meir gave illustrate why. In any case, since I used jpilot, kwrite and OpenOffice (all Linux programs) to transfer the files from Palm to Android, I think I'm OK. BUT - that being said, I'm beginning to think that this is an Android problem and I will look for a more appropriate forum. In case anyone is interested, the reason I've come to that conclusion is that the files also look OK when I go directly to the Dropbox site. While on the topic of Dropbox, I was pleasantly surprised to see that Hebrew characters in the files I created in Linux are also fine. I was even more surprised that the built-in file browser on the Dropbox site also handles Hebrew Open Office (.odt) files. On Wednesday, June 01, 2011, Meir Michanie wrote: Hi Shlomo, Android only uses the LINUX kernel. I was going to say that if your question is not relatyed to the kernel, then it is an android question and it is out of topic. Or not? If I have a question on running something on Debian GNU/Hurd is my question out of topic? If I use PCBSD and I have a question related to kde or gnome, is my question out of topic? If I have a question about configuring my linksys or d-link router that runs a linux kernel, is my question out of topic? On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Shlomo Solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having a strange problem moving some memo files from my Palm Zire to a new Android phone. Since 2 of the 3 platforms I'm using are Linux (my PC and my phone), I think this is on-topic - so long as we don't get into an arguement about whether Android is really Linux or not ;-). 1 - I used jpilot to export Palm memo files to text files 2 - the files look fine in a Linux text editor (Kwrite, Kate, etc) 3 - I used Dropbox to move the files to my phone 4 - When I open the files on the phone (with various editors), there are strange line breaks (seem to be random - between words, in the middle of a word or even after each letter) - like this: This is a tes t to show an exa m p l e 5 - I tried opening the files in Open Office (in Linux) and saving as .odt and again copied to the phone with dropbox 6 - The Android Open Office reader app now reads the files properly. Any ideas why the original text files show this behaviour? BTW - when I opened the files in Open Office (in Linux), I checked to see if there were un-printable characters, but that doesn't seem to be the problem. I even looked at the files in hexedit to see if there were any unusual characters, but found nothing unusual. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.13.3 (KDE 4.4.3) on LINUX Mandriva 2010.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.13.3 (KDE 4.4.3) on LINUX Mandriva 2010.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Palm to Android via Linux
This smells of missing ^M's. Look for options to save or convert to windows format. Sent from my Mobile, please excuse my brevity. On 01/06/2011 8:44 PM, Saba Moshe sabamo...@gmail.com wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:18:18 +0300 From: Mordecha Behar mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il To: shl...@the-solomons.net Cc: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Palm to Android via Linux Message-ID: BANLkTi=npomv4merk0d9tqwdp9ktqyb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've encountered the opposite problem. Files I create in a Linux text editor (Kwrite) don't open properly in Windows Notepad. I get the entire file on one line. Maybe there's something strange going on behind the scenes in KDE? On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Shlomo Solomon shlomo.solo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm having a strange problem moving some memo files from my Palm Zire to a new Android phone. Since 2 of the 3 platforms I'm using are Linux (my PC and my phone), I think this is on-topic - so long as we don't get into an arguement about whether Android is really Linux or not ;-). 1 - I used jpilot to export Palm memo files to text files 2 - the files look fine in a Linux text editor (Kwrite, Kate, etc) 3 - I used Dropbox to move the files to my phone 4 - When I open the files on the phone (with various editors), there are strange line breaks (seem to be random - between words, in the middle of a word or even after each letter) - like this: This is a tes t to show an exa m p l e 5 - I tried opening the files in Open Office (in Linux) and saving as .odt and again copied to the phone with dropbox 6 - The Android Open Office reader app now reads the files properly. Any ideas why the original text files show this behaviour? BTW - when I opened the files in Open Office (in Linux), I checked to see if there were un-printable characters, but that doesn't seem to be the problem. I even looked at the files in hexedit to see if there were any unusual characters, but found nothing unusual. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.13.3 (KDE 4.4.3) on LINUX Mandriva 2010.1 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/pipermail/linux-il/attachments/20110601/a7117193/attachment.html Windows needs the CRLF pair while Linux provides the LF only at the end of a text - line Saba Moshe ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
