Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-09-02 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Article about the phone (in hebrew): http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3770875,00.html -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Eli Marmor
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: ... Will it be totally open? I don't think so because they have to support their DRM'd music/video which you buy, and their DRM is from .. Microsoft, but OTOH writing/porting an app to N900, is IMHO way easier then to Android/WebOS/iPhone.

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Erez D
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Umm, actually, pretty open.. Read this: http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/ Also, within the last few days, they signed and sumbitted new drivers to be included in the

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Eli Marmor wrote: Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: ... Will it be totally open? I don't think so because they have to support their DRM'd music/video which you buy, and their DRM is from .. Microsoft, but OTOH writing/porting an app to N900, is IMHO way easier then to Android/WebOS/iPhone.

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Aug 30, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: In all honesty, I would rather have a phone that works than have a phone that runs my applications. I am much more worried about Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market) than I am

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
geoffrey mendelson wrote: My point is that while Shachar states that Windows Mobile is a better development enviornment I said no such thing! I said it was a horrible environment made even more horrid by the move to slim appliance. What I said was that it is a more open one. Shachar --

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Shachar Shemesh wrote: I am much more worried about Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market) than I am about the fact it is running a non-standard environment. What do you mean by Android's lack of friendliness to third party

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Hi, You have been severly misinformed. All you need to install using USB is the free as in speech Google SDK and USB cable that comes with the phone. Adb is running on all phones and you don't need to be root to install applications. More important, you can install application by simply

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: I am much more worried about Android's lack of friendliness to third party applications (unless they come through the Market) than I am about the fact it is running a non-standard environment. What do you mean by Android's lack of

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Adb is running on all phones and you don't need to be root to install applications. The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone when I do adb devices, and cannot connect to it

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Adb is running on all phones and you don't need to be root to install applications. The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone when I do adb devices,

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Adb is running on all phones and you don't need to be root to install applications. The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Shachar Shemesh wrote: The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone when I do adb devices, and cannot connect to it (let alone install anything on it). Not sure, but I'm guessing it might be a problem with

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: The Samsung Galaxy, at least as sold by Cellcom, does not run ADB by default. Even when I set USB debugging, I cannot see the phone when I do adb devices, and cannot connect to it (let alone install anything on it). Not sure, but I'm guessing

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Not sure, but I'm guessing it might be a problem with your setup, rather then a Smasung imposed limit. Are you sure you have set up the ADB udev rules correctly? Of course not :-) All I know is that, on my setup, the HTC worked with me having to actually set up

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-30 Thread Meir Kriheli
On 08/30/2009 11:52 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Eli Marmor wrote: Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: ... Will it be totally open? I don't think so because they have to support their DRM'd music/video which you buy, and their DRM is from .. Microsoft, but OTOH writing/porting an app to N900, is IMHO

an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-29 Thread Erez D
nokia is realeasing the N900 smartphone. which is using maemo (linux) as it's os. will this be a de-facto open phone, or could nokia keep it closed ? erez. http://benhamo.org/wp/?p=1628 http://www.h-online.com/open/Nokia-announces-N900-mobile-computer--/news/114106

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Erez D wrote: nokia is realeasing the N900 smartphone. which is using maemo (linux) as it's os. will this be a de-facto open phone, or could nokia keep it closed ? In all likelyhood, the system will be more or less open (i.e. - there will be some closed drivers), but the actual phone

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-29 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Umm, actually, pretty open.. Read this: http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/software-freedom-lovers-here-comes-maemo-5/ Also, within the last few days, they signed and sumbitted new drivers to be included in the standard kernel. The technology that they use is open and it's right there on

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I should make it clear that my previous email was a guess based on my experience with mobile platforms. I may well be surprised yet. Having said that: Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Also, within the last few days, they signed and sumbitted new drivers to be included in the standard kernel. The

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-29 Thread Lior Kaplan
2009/8/29 Erez D erez0...@gmail.com: nokia is realeasing the N900 smartphone. which is using maemo (linux) as it's os. will this be a de-facto open phone, or could nokia keep it closed ? The GSM part can't be open as that's an FCC requirements. Open Moko has the same issue.

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-29 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Lior Kaplan wrote: 2009/8/29 Erez D erez0...@gmail.com: nokia is realeasing the N900 smartphone. which is using maemo (linux) as it's os. will this be a de-facto open phone, or could nokia keep it closed ? The GSM part can't be open as that's an FCC requirements. Open Moko has the

Re: an open phone from nokia ?

2009-08-29 Thread Noam Rathaus
Hi Shachar, 2009/8/29 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz: I should make it clear that my previous email was a guess based on my experience with mobile platforms. I may well be surprised yet. Having said that: Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Also, within the last few days, they signed and sumbitted