Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2004-01-18 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: This being a slow friday evening, this strikes me as an excellent time to ask y'all where would you like to see Linux (the kernel) and Linux (the OS) be in five years. Go wild... I'd like many things, mostly moving it closer to Plan9. - Move closer to Plan 9: per-process

Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]

2003-12-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Dovix wrote: Numbering is really not an issue. See, it can always start at 3.0 as the first stable version. That practice worked quite well with NT ;) By that time Linux may still be at 2.8, and if for some reason Linus will decide to go for the magic Number 3.0, Hurd

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Meir Kriheli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 December 2003 21:10, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: A Microsoft networking division manager has been contacting LUGs (including LUGoD) regarding what appear to be focus groups concerning where

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
I second you indeed. behdad On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Meir Kriheli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 December 2003 21:10, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: A Microsoft networking division manager has been contacting LUGs

Re: Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]

2003-12-21 Thread Omer Zak
Another approach is for Hurd to implement interfaces, which will allow it to use Linux drivers (this approach is almost as heretical as developing a layer for allowing Linux to use NDIS-compatible drivers). On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Dovix wrote: Numbering

Re: Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]

2003-12-21 Thread Dovix
I was joking of course, about version numbers. That's why I added the [OT]. Funny, but it is a common knowledge that M$ apps become usable after their third version, and starting NT from 3.x didn't change that paradigm. I have the feeling that The Hurd will be fine WHEN and IF it is finally

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Oded Arbel
21 2003, 07:20,Behdad Esfahbod: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: linux? what linux? in 5 years i would like to use the hurd! :) What does the hypothetical hurd has promised you to do that you like to use it? Is it the name that is better than linux? IMHO forget about

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Oded Arbel wrote: 21 2003, 07:20, ?? ??? ?? Behdad Esfahbod: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: linux? what linux? in 5 years i would like to use the hurd! :) What does the hypothetical hurd has promised you to do

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Oded Arbel
21 2003, 14:52,Shlomi Fish: since Mandrake 7.2 I never had to re-compile the kernel, except UML kernels for kernel development HURD offers something very interesting in this areana: you won't need UML with HURD because each user can run her own drivers/filesystems/etc or even a full

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Oded Arbel wrote: 21 2003, 14:52, ?? ??? ?? Shlomi Fish: since Mandrake 7.2 I never had to re-compile the kernel, except UML kernels for kernel development HURD offers something very interesting in this areana: you won't need UML with

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Oded Arbel
21 2003, 19:41,Shlomi Fish: Is the situation considerably better in x86-based BSD systems? Not AFAIK. marginly better I mightsay. Hmmm... so it's not as much a problem of Linux as it is the problem of the wacky i386 architecture. And since Linux has to run there, I think that it

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-21 Thread Oded Arbel
21 2003, 19:42,Gilad Ben-Yossef: On Sunday 21 December 2003 18:37, Oded Arbel wrote: HURD offers something very interesting in this areana: you won't need UML with HURD because each user can run her own drivers/filesystems/etc or even a full kernel on a running system w/o affecting

Re: Hurd [was Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT] ]

2003-12-21 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 02:17:29AM -0800, Dovix wrote: I was joking of course, about version numbers. That's why I added the [OT]. Funny, but it is a common knowledge that M$ apps become usable after I would say barely usable, not usable. Taking win 3.11 as an example ;-) Actually when

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-20 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: A Microsoft networking division manager has been contacting LUGs (including LUGoD) regarding what appear to be focus groups concerning where you'd like to see Microsoft in five years.-6' comes to mind [read more below for details] This being

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-20 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: linux? what linux? in 5 years i would like to use the hurd! :) The hurd? (LOL secretely). Well, first of all because it's a true micro-kernel OS, it may always be slower than Linux or other monolithic kernel equivalents. Secondly, the development

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings [OT]

2003-12-20 Thread Dovix
Numbering is really not an issue. See, it can always start at 3.0 as the first stable version. That practice worked quite well with NT ;) By that time Linux may still be at 2.8, and if for some reason Linus will decide to go for the magic Number 3.0, Hurd can launch as Hurd 2005 ... btw, did

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-20 Thread Ely Levy
Yea you just missing some zeros there, try 500 years;) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: linux? what linux? in 5 years i would like to use the hurd! :) , 19 2003, 23:10,Muli Ben-Yehuda: A Microsoft networking

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-20 Thread Meir Kriheli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 December 2003 21:10, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: A Microsoft networking division manager has been contacting LUGs (including LUGoD) regarding what appear to be focus groups concerning where you'd like to see Microsoft in five years. -6'

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: linux? what linux? in 5 years i would like to use the hurd! :) What does the hypothetical hurd has promised you to do that you like to use it? Is it the name that is better than linux? IMHO forget about hurd. It's simply dead. Who's gonna write

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-19 Thread Dovix
Small world :) Bill Kendrick mentioned below is the author of TuxPaint (among others) and was very cooperative in adding Hebrew support to his great app despite the challanges faced by the use of SDL libraries. Anyway, to the point, what I'd like to see more than anything else for Microsoft to do

Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings

2003-12-19 Thread Diego Iastrubni
linux? what linux? in 5 years i would like to use the hurd! :) , 19 2003, 23:10,Muli Ben-Yehuda: A Microsoft networking division manager has been contacting LUGs (including LUGoD) regarding what appear to be focus groups concerning where you'd like to see Microsoft in five years. -6'