Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-10-03 Thread Oron Peled
Shlomi, have you noticed you are the only one so far that consistently cross post to several mailing lists? On Saturday, 3 בOctober 2009 15:48:53 Shlomi Fish wrote: > ... the FSF is far too picky and fanatical about its choice of > what is a "100% Free Distribution". From my understanding, the FS

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-10-03 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Mikhael! On Sunday 30 Aug 2009 02:51:47 Mikhael Goikhman wrote: > On 28 Aug 2009 21:39:14 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Hi Mikhael! > > > > Thanks for your comments and sorry for the late response. > > No worry about the late response, mostly because I didn't see much to > discuss here. You wr

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-09-02 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 12:30:34 Meir Kriheli wrote: > On 09/01/2009 11:21 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: > > > > > Apple is actually a pretty decent supporter of FOSS, they just chose not > > to use the GPL, which lead them to BSD instead of Linux, and they kept > > parts of their operati

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-09-02 Thread Meir Kriheli
On 09/02/2009 01:16 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: > > On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Meir Kriheli wrote: > >> >> A company which shuts down websites (to let their PR keep rolling on >> launch), > > How about a citation? This is to vague to be anything but FUD without one. ThinkSecret had to shutd

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-09-02 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 01 September 2009 22:43:12 Steve Litt wrote: > On Tuesday 01 September 2009 14:09:24 Shlomi Fish wrote: > > So why am I still sticking with the MIT/X11? The main reason I think is > > that as an open-source programmer, I'm not interested in worrying about > > how people abuse my code. I

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-09-02 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Meir Kriheli wrote: A company which shuts down websites (to let their PR keep rolling on launch), How about a citation? This is to vague to be anything but FUD without one. forces other to remove videos (wired), That's simply wrong. Apple never forced Wire

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-09-02 Thread Meir Kriheli
On 09/01/2009 11:21 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: > Apple is actually a pretty decent supporter of FOSS, they just chose not > to use the GPL, which lead them to BSD instead of Linux, and they kept > parts of their operating system and technology proprietary. They have an > obligation to their s

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-09-01 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:43 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Even if they do monopolistic things with your code? See this: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137291/Mac_clone_maker_sues_Apple_over_Snow_Leopard I think the preceding article is one of the strongest arguments for copyleft I've ever se

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-09-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 01 September 2009 14:09:24 Shlomi Fish wrote: > So why am I still sticking with the MIT/X11? The main reason I think is > that as an open-source programmer, I'm not interested in worrying about how > people abuse my code. I don't like Apple, and am not fond of many Microsoft > products.

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-09-01 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Friday 21 August 2009 19:58:13 Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi all! > > I have published a new essay about free software licences: > > http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/open-source/foss-licences-wa >rs/ > > Any comments will be welcome. > Replying to myself (while de-CCing Perl-IL) I'd lik

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-25 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 21 Aug 2009 19:58:13 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > I have published a new essay about free software licences: > > http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/open-source/foss-licences-wars/ > > Any comments will be welcome. This article contains several factual errors as well as many argu

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 23 August 2009 16:14:28 Steve Litt wrote: > On Sunday 23 August 2009 05:43:55 you wrote: > > Hi Steve, and everybody! > > > > On Saturday 22 August 2009 21:54:35 Steve Litt wrote: > > > I think a lot of people (including me) like GPL's guarantee that > > > they're not doing unpaid work fo

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sunday 23 August 2009 08:49:09 Ori Idan wrote: > > I do completely understand the attractiveness of the MIT license. It's > > simple > > and can't come back to bite you later. I'm just saying the GPL has plenty > > of > > benefits. > > > > I am not sure I understand. > > MIT license can't come b

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Sunday 23 August 2009 05:43:55 you wrote: > Hi Steve, and everybody! > > On Saturday 22 August 2009 21:54:35 Steve Litt wrote: > > I think a lot of people (including me) like GPL's guarantee that they're > > not doing unpaid work for Microsoft (or Apple). My experience with > > VimOutliner, whi

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-24 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Steve, and everybody! On Saturday 22 August 2009 21:54:35 Steve Litt wrote: > On Saturday 22 August 2009 03:21:13 you wrote: > > On Friday 21 August 2009 22:07:17 Steve Litt wrote: > > > I disagree with some of your > > > conclusions, but obviously your facts are spot on. > > > > Thanks. I woul

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-24 Thread Ori Idan
> > I do completely understand the attractiveness of the MIT license. It's > simple > and can't come back to bite you later. I'm just saying the GPL has plenty > of > benefits. > > I am not sure I understand. MIT license can't come back and bite me? Correct me if I am wrong but in MIT license someo

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Sunday 23 August 2009 01:49:09 you wrote: > > I do completely understand the attractiveness of the MIT license. It's > > simple > > and can't come back to bite you later. I'm just saying the GPL has plenty > > of > > benefits. > > > > I am not sure I understand. > > MIT license can't come back a

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Saturday 22 August 2009 03:21:13 you wrote: > On Friday 21 August 2009 22:07:17 Steve Litt wrote: > > I disagree with some of your > > conclusions, but obviously your facts are spot on. > > Thanks. I would be happy to hear any arguments you have against my > conclusions. Maybe I'll change my op

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-22 Thread Ori Idan
I also like the article, it really shows most of the licenses and explains them. I would be happy if it contains more information about the clauses in BSD licenses. As for myself I prefer writing GPL applications as GPL license keeps the software free so it actually defends me from people that wil

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-22 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Friday 21 August 2009 22:07:17 Steve Litt wrote: > On Friday 21 August 2009 12:58:13 Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I have published a new essay about free software licences: > > > > http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/open-source/foss-licences- > >wa rs/ > > > > Any comments

Re: New Essay - "FOSS Licences Wars"

2009-08-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 21 August 2009 12:58:13 Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi all! > > I have published a new essay about free software licences: > > http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/open-source/foss-licences-wa >rs/ > > Any comments will be welcome. Excellent essay! I like the way you immediately revea