Re: The Shindig (english translation)
On Fri, Aug 02, 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote about Re: The Shindig (english translation): ... a good introduction. An even better (but slightly longer) introduction, by the way, would be O'Reilly's Open Sources book, which is really a collection of short essays of the same people in the movie (and more), each one laying out the history of what he did, and why he believes in open source or free software. This book is available *freely* online, check out, for example: HTML: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/toc.html PS: ftp://socrate.tuiasi.ro/pub/books/open_sources/open_sources.ps.gz PDF: ftp://socrate.tuiasi.ro/pub/books/open_sources/open_sources.pdf.gz LATEX: ftp://socrate.tuiasi.ro/pub/books/open_sources/open_sources.latex.tar.gz It's an excellent read! ... To build up more appetite for this book, Here is the table of contents: A Brief Introduction of Hackerdom - Eric S. Raymond (Open Source Intiative) Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix: From ATT Owned to Freely Redistributable - Marshall Kirk McKusick (Berkeley Unix) The Internet Engineering Task Force - Scott Bradner (IETF) The GNU Operating System and the Free Software Movement - Richard Stallman (Free Software Foundation) Future of Cygnus Solutions: An Entreprenour's Account - Michael Tiemann (Cygnus Solutions) Software Engineering - Paul Vixie (Bind) The Linux Edge - Linus Torvalds (Linux) Giving It Away: How Red Hat Software Stumbled Across a New Economic Model and Helped Improve an Industry - Robert Young (Red Hat) Diligence, Patience and Humility - Larry Wall (Perl) Open Source as a Business Strategy - Brian Behlendorf (Apache) The Open Source Definition - Bruce Perens (Open Source Initiative) Hardware, Software and Infoware - Tim O'Reilly (O'Reilly Associates, Inc.) Freeing the Source: The Story of Mozilla - Jim Hamerly, Tom Paquin and Susan Walton (Netscape and mozilla.org) The Revenge of the Hackers - Eric S. Raymond (Open Source Initiative) -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Aug 4 2002, 26 Av 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Cats know what we feel. They don't care, http://nadav.harel.org.il |but they know. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Shindig (english translation)
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: There was a shindig today. It was attended by a community of misfits and elderly geeks, some pushing the wrong side of 35, obviously well past their use by date. there was a gathering today. It was attended by a group of over 100 unrelated inDUHviduals of all ages (14-45 would be my guess). It was opened by a weirdly coiffure'd person speaking about Elvis, of all things. Elvis, obviously, has significant timing problems, since his frequency has been administratively increased from 100 appearances per alien abductee to 1024. Which is, nevertheless, progress. it was opened by gilad ben yosef (the next generation) who found some obscure excuse to involve Elvis with embedded linux systems - in an attempt to persuade his listeners that embedded linux is gapping the strangled desktop PC business from every direction - in an increasing rate. according to the applause in the end - everybody agreed with that claim. Then a person with a very variegated taste in shirts spoke to the assembled about parasitic insects' victims which send each other letters. Thus, Host A send Host B something (and, sometimes, vice versa) which Host C, for some ineffable reason, wants to hijack. While highly unlikely, since rarely do hosts hijackanything, unless they are hostesses, of course, in which case they are likely to catch something and not hijack, barring Muslim gentlemen with rudimentary flight training, in which case they are hijacked and do no hijack themselves which, basically, means tha Never mind. then aviram jenik took over, and tried showing people how insecure their secure connections realy are - this attracted quite a few questions from the crowd, ranging from i know the server is protected by a firewall, and i connect from my remote PC - is there software to protect my PC from being broken into (the answer, surprisingly, was use a firewall on the PC), to i telnet to a machine. is it realy that insecure?. some questions were more advanced - and there were quite a few of those. There were no loo breaks so all suffered distended bladders. due to hickups in the organization, time flew by (time goes faster, when you move slow ;) ), so the proper solution was chosen - skip the break! a short protest, and some recalculation, suddenly brought a 10-minute break into existance. the 2nd break was shortened to 10 minutes (from the originally planned 20), and thus bad infections were prevented. Then came a film in which a whole collection of aging communist hippies lashed out at Microsoft, denigrating the glorious company's contribution to world culture, technology and, incidentally, to quite a few Congressmen and Senators. These representatives of the drug taking, stuttering, unwashing, oversexed, under-stratified and otherwise anti- American elements lauded a damned foreigner's method of playing Solitaire! The attack on our culture is intensifying, mein komaraden! then came a film, in which about 70-80% of the time there were 'talking heads'. Some heads looked quite familiar, such as the linux head, the RMS head, the clown head... After the film ended, there was a signing of some form of Satanic contracts in the cafeteria and finally a drunken binge! after the film ended, a bunch of the said group of inDUHviduals took over the cinematheque's cafeteria, in order to hold a PGP signing ritual. after that, people started spreading around, many went home, and many took over a near-by restaurant, fighting with the waiters in order to connect tables in a large 'L' shape - well, this _is_ a Linux users group... I, of course, can say nothing of the stubby monkey whichclimbed the stage and, instead of singing the Anthem, declaimed something in an unhuman language, waves his arms a bit and climbed off. Who the fuck was he? ah - but i can. one of the attending inDUHviduals was asked, 15 minutes before the event begun, to carry the opening 5-minutes keynote speech. To this challenge he responded by speaking in a language no one(*) understood - and which sounded like a mix between german and latin. That inDUHvidual looked suspiciously similar to the former reporter. Your Reporter this last phrase is in english... -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
áéåí ùéùé, 2 áàåâåñè 2002, 18:01, guy keren ëúá: On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Then came a film in which a whole collection of aging communist hippies lashed out at Microsoft, denigrating the glorious company's contribution to world culture, technology and, incidentally, to quite a few Congressmen and Senators. These representatives of the drug taking, stuttering, unwashing, oversexed, under-stratified and otherwise anti- American elements lauded a damned foreigner's method of playing Solitaire! The attack on our culture is intensifying, mein komaraden! then came a film, in which about 70-80% of the time there were 'talking heads'. Some heads looked quite familiar, such as the linux head, the RMS head, the clown head... about the movie, it was really bad. But it did show us who are exactly those people: - mad-man-stallman: it's called gnu, I said it, I invented it, it's me me me! - cool-torvalds: hey... my kids are making noise... lets bring them to the stage while this hippie talks... say Hi to the nice man with the camera... why are you holding a rabbit? a penguin is not good enough for you? am I the only one who noticed that Linus has children without any wife? - diego -- Any fool can tell the truth, but it requires a man of sense to know how to lie well. -- Samuel Butler = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
Quoth Diego Iastrubni: am I the only one who noticed that Linus has children without any wife? Yes. You were indeed the only one. Fuck, the man invented Linux _and_ had children WITHOUT a wife. Fuck, the guy's talented! If you google for linux wife you will find references ;-). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
From: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Aug 02, 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote about Re: The Shindig (english translation): about the movie, it was really bad. But it did show us who are exactly those people: It wasn't the greatest movie I ever saw, but saying it was really bad is an exaggeration. It was a nice opportunity to see what these people (Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman, Bruce Perens, Eric Raymond, etc.) looked like and talked like. Parts of the movie seem to have been cut out, by the way (e.g., the part with Rob Malda a.k.a Commander Tako, of Slashdot fame). I really enjoyed today, but one thing that I didn't like about the movie broadcasting, and has nothing to do with the movie itself - is the picture quality. Am I the only one who could barely see the picture? it looks like it was broadcasted from a VHS, which doesn't look so good even on a 21 TV - and it was broadcast on a theater.. Isn't there a better quality version of the movie for public screening? I think that I read something about digital version for public screenings on their website. Sagi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
Quoth David Bergman: I would love to see some photos or even a video of The were picture snappers - own up, you flashers in the dark! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
http://toast.unwind.co.il/gallery/august_penguins áéåí ùéùé, 2 áàåâåñè 2002, 20:43, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader ëúá: Quoth David Bergman: I would love to see some photos or even a video of The were picture snappers - own up, you flashers in the dark! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Do your otters do the shimmy? Do they like to shake their tails? Do your wombats sleep in tophats? Is your garden full of snails? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
Thanks, it's nice to connect some of the names in this mailing list with real faces. Now I could play name the geek ... (-; I hope Guy and Muli didn't have to pay any expences from their own pockets with such a big crowd attending. Stay Cool David Bergman Diego Iastrubni wrote: http://toast.unwind.co.il/gallery/august_penguins = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 21:16, Sagi Bashari wrote: I really enjoyed today, but one thing that I didn't like about the movie broadcasting, and has nothing to do with the movie itself - is the picture quality. Am I the only one who could barely see the picture? it looks like it was broadcasted from a VHS, which doesn't look so good even on a 21 TV - and it was broadcast on a theater.. The movie was played from a broadcast grade Beta SP casette of the very same type that is used in modern TV stations, which we got directly from the distributors (btw this is the reason the movie was about 20 minutes shorter from the original - it was the 'cut for TV version' rather then the whole deal seen they had to dump it to PAL just for us, which wasn't so bad IMHO :-) Any and all bad viewing conditions are the part of the Cinematque equipment, altghough I can testify that not because of lack of effort of teh staff (I've been there with the technical director 2 hours before the show so we can set everything in place). Oh well, just one more thing to take into account when we'll do the next August Penguin... Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com Money talks, bullshit walks and GNU awks. -- Shachar Sun Shemesh, debt collector for the GNU/Yakuza = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
First of all, A lot of thank you for the organizers. What started as just an opportunity to see a movie, became a really nice event. On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:27:14 +0300 Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: about the movie, it was really bad. As you may notice, it was intended also for non-very-technical audience (e.g: the picture of bits running on screen) and semi-technical people without familiarity with free/open-source software. For a film of this scope I think it was pretty good. BTW: I've seen this film last July at San-Diego. The end was somewhat modified: - In the original version the scene with Larry Augutin walking amazed at Linux-World, had background voice talking about the stock craze about VA-Linux. However, since the screening was in July-2001, they added a note to the end about the NASDAQ crash and what happend to VA-Linux (at that time), which gave the film some melancholic tone... - In this version, they have cut some of the talks about the stock and replaced the note in the end with some short note about Microsoft Shared Source (which started its PR at about mid-2001 IIRC). But it did show us who are exactly those people: - mad-man-stallman: it's called gnu, I said it, I invented it, it's me Let's start with facts: It's called GNU, he said it, he invented it and without people like him that are ready to fight a lost-cause we would all be using Windows-XP by now. If you find that history hard to remember, here's a simple trick for you: % gcc --version gcc version 3.xx, written by me Richard M. Stallman. You shall stick with GNU or the knights who say GNIT will eat your shruberies. Ok, so I had too much mineral water today :-) Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron I love deadlines, especially the whooshing sound they make as they go by. -- Douglas Adams msg20848/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 22:17, David Bergman wrote: I hope Guy and Muli didn't have to pay any expences from their own pockets with such a big crowd attending. All the expnses were covered and more. I'll send an 'official' report here in a couple of days when we sort things out... Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com Money talks, bullshit walks and GNU awks. -- Shachar Sun Shemesh, debt collector for the GNU/Yakuza = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
At 20:16 +0200 on 2/8/2002, Sagi Bashari wrote: Am I the only one who could barely see the picture? it looks like it was broadcasted from a VHS, which doesn't look so good even on a 21 TV - and it was broadcast on a theater.. I think the crux of the problem was bad focus. So I suspect a little fine tuning of the lens would have done the trick, and I further suspect that the man behind the projector is more proficient in fine-tuning config files than optical equipment. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, not meant as a rant. I enjoyed the occasion, and seeing RMS out of focus is not really a big loss to my (female) eyes... Herouth -- EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOME PAGE: http://herouth.port5.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 22:53, Herouth Maoz wrote: At 20:16 +0200 on 2/8/2002, Sagi Bashari wrote: Am I the only one who could barely see the picture? it looks like it was broadcasted from a VHS, which doesn't look so good even on a 21 TV - and it was broadcast on a theater.. I think the crux of the problem was bad focus. So I suspect a little fine tuning of the lens would have done the trick, and I further suspect that the man behind the projector is more proficient in fine-tuning config files than optical equipment. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps, but he was the person that does this for any screening in the Cinemateque and not somoen from linux-il :-) Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com Money talks, bullshit walks and GNU awks. -- Shachar Sun Shemesh, debt collector for the GNU/Yakuza = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 06:27:14PM +0300, Diego Iastrubni wrote: about the movie, it was really bad. But it did show us who are exactly those people: What?! I thought it was very good. Nothing that we didn't know before, but it certainly made those people whose writings I read every so often REAL PEOPLE. - mad-man-stallman: it's called gnu, I said it, I invented it, it's me me me! Errr. Yes. And rightfully so. - cool-torvalds: hey... my kids are making noise... lets bring them to the stage while this hippie talks... say Hi to the nice man with the camera.. why are you holding a rabbit? a penguin is not good enough for you? am I the only one who noticed that Linus has children without any wife? Be careful there, son. His wife holds a black belt in karate. -- http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ msg20854/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 08:05:53PM +0200, David Bergman wrote: I would love to see some photos or even a video of the event, if someone managed to capture and post them on the net. These Linux events are rare and should be duly commemorated in a public web page, in my opinion. If no one better qualified than me does it, I will write and put up a webpage on IGLU with the itinerary, lecture slides, photographs, etc, etc. I'll post it here when it will be up. -- http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ msg20855/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: The Shindig (english translation)
On Sat, 2002-08-03 at 08:04, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 08:05:53PM +0200, David Bergman wrote: I would love to see some photos or even a video of the event, if someone managed to capture and post them on the net. These Linux events are rare and should be duly commemorated in a public web page, in my opinion. If no one better qualified than me does it, I will write and put up a webpage on IGLU with the itinerary, lecture slides, photographs, etc, etc. I'll post it here when it will be up. Lecture slides for the Linux Inside lecture can be found here: http://benyossef.com/presentations/linux_inside Cheers, Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com Money talks, bullshit walks and GNU awks. -- Shachar Sun Shemesh, debt collector for the GNU/Yakuza = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
