Re: xmms rh8
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Mark Veltzer wrote: I understood that Ogg is also video ready. It's supposed to be a sort of Meta-Format for binary streamed media so if you wanted to put video in Ogg you could. I also undestood that the video enhancements are already in the making. Anybody who knows better care to comment ? I don't recall the exact terminology but: ogg-vorbis: a format for sound (including streaming). version 1.0 already exists. ogg-theora: A younger format, currently in the works, for video: http://www.theora.org/ -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Oron Peled wrote: On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:53:29 +0200 Mark Veltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 07 October 2002 19:23, you wrote: MPEG-2 --- maybe RealNetwork new open source technology??? who knows? I understood that Ogg is also video ready. It's supposed to be a sort of Meta-Format for binary streamed media so if you wanted to put video in Ogg you could. I also undestood that the video enhancements are already in the making. Anybody who knows better care to comment ? Ok, you probably refer to what I vaguely recollected... It's called Helix and the url is: http://www.realnetworks.com/company/press/releases/2002/xiph.html I listed it as questionable only because it is very young announcement and we don't know yetfor sure how free will it be (e.g: would all components of the new architecture free software, or just the decoders). Real Networks are not going to release their codecs. The Helix framework allows the usage of such plugins. It allows the use of ogg-vorbis (and of ogg-theora, eventually). -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
07/10/02 01:31:04, Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: áéåí øàùåï, 6 áàå÷èåáø 2002, 19:38, Dvir Volk ëúá: I highly doubt it's legal. I've looked in fraunhofer's site, which refered me to an mp3 licensing site, that said: snip From that QA it seems to me that developers are required to get a license, but not users - you are expected to use a licensed software, but if you don't, nobody expects you to buy a private license. This is unlike the GIF issue where Unisys wants you to buy a license if your GIFs were not created by a licensed software - even if the files were not created by you. -- Oded heh, since xmms doesn't have a license, it's illegal. Altho the german company said they don't care about this.. hm :-) I wonder.. Eli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:31:04 +0200 Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is unlike the GIF issue where Unisys wants you to buy a license if your GIFs were not created by a licensed software - even if the files were not created by you. Licensing terms may be modified at a moments notice. The GIF issue is the exact example for this: 1. At the beggining of the 90's (IIRC) compuserve started to hunt software firms for creating GIF software (they had some patent on the GIF format). 2. The companies *chickened* and paid (they must have thought it would solve the problem). 3. By the end of the 90's Unisys started attacking *users* of GIF because they hold a patent for the compression algorithm used in GIF. Moral: There is no safe harbour from software patents. Even if you pay today tomorrow is a new day new company... new claims. So, as several list members pointed out, until the patent laws are fixed the only viable alternative is to avoid what we can: GIF --- burn --- PNG MP3 --- burn --- OGG MPEG-2 --- maybe RealNetwork new open source technology??? who knows? Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron He who sacrifices functionality for ease of use Loses both and deserves neither = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 07 October 2002 19:23, you wrote: MPEG-2 --- maybe RealNetwork new open source technology??? who knows? I understood that Ogg is also video ready. It's supposed to be a sort of Meta-Format for binary streamed media so if you wanted to put video in Ogg you could. I also undestood that the video enhancements are already in the making. Anybody who knows better care to comment ? Cheers, Mark. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9odgsxlxDIcceXTgRAofdAJ9MAkEwRMbhwpzPi0xQiHIkBHlGXACg18os 0eQb/BE7hqgsFqQfsK9oq3M= =jdbW -END PGP SIGNATURE- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:53:29 +0200 Mark Veltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 07 October 2002 19:23, you wrote: MPEG-2 --- maybe RealNetwork new open source technology??? who knows? I understood that Ogg is also video ready. It's supposed to be a sort of Meta-Format for binary streamed media so if you wanted to put video in Ogg you could. I also undestood that the video enhancements are already in the making. Anybody who knows better care to comment ? Ok, you probably refer to what I vaguely recollected... It's called Helix and the url is: http://www.realnetworks.com/company/press/releases/2002/xiph.html I listed it as questionable only because it is very young announcement and we don't know yet for sure how free will it be (e.g: would all components of the new architecture free software, or just the decoders). Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Linux lasts longer! -- Kim J. Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
04/10/02 13:39:57, Mark Veltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is so strange ? MP3 is a COPYRIGHTED format. A german research institution holds the copy right and has started to sue companies who distribute mp3 players without paying them royalties (since they can't sue the users themselves since there aren't enough lawyers for that. Maybe if we all sue ourselves in a civilian court and pay ourself the representation fees...). Move to Ogg Vorbis and be happy and patent free... MP3 is the GIF of audio... It will be remmembered as a small distraction on the high road to enlightenment...:) Well I kindly disagree that mp3 will be forgotten easily. It's so popular, and for a good reason! Just like jpeg. Forget it, I doubt it'll happen. At the end I think untill a much better format comes around, mp3 will rule, regardless. Eli There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones.. - Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
04/10/02 15:58:09, Amir Tal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 04 October 2002 11:28 am, voguemaster wrote: Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. they did it because of piracy issues. you can always get the plugin's and add them manually. tal. Again, I'm asking: is getting the plugin manually legit ?? Eli There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones.. - Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
04/10/02 14:11:16, Oleg Kobets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, you can easily d/l the missing rpm from xmms website. Oleg. And is THAT legal ?? Those libraries use a technology which is patented, how is that allowed ??? Eli There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones.. - Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: xmms rh8
I ___Think its legal for u, not legal for them. why should you care. you cannot be held liable for using something that is buried under a million lines of code, and no warning, or cease and desist kind of message for every user that in good conscience d/led a plugin. But IANAL. * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of voguemaster Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:48 PM To: Linux-IL Subject: Re: xmms rh8 04/10/02 14:11:16, Oleg Kobets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, you can easily d/l the missing rpm from xmms website. Oleg. And is THAT legal ?? Those libraries use a technology which is patented, how is that allowed ??? Eli There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones.. - Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: xmms rh8
I highly doubt it's legal. I've looked in fraunhofer's site, which refered me to an mp3 licensing site, that said: Do you license mp3/mp3PRO software to end users? No. We license mp3/mp3PRO software and patents to developers and manufacturers of software applications and hardware devices. Many software companies have a license for mp3 software applications from us (See list of Licensed Companies). Please contact them directly for their mp3/mp3PRO products or visit their web site. They also have a list of all the companies that licensed mp3 use. Needless to say that neither redhat nor xmms.org were registered. http://mp3licensing.com/licensees/index.asp -Original Message- From: voguemaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:48 PM To: Linux-IL Subject: Re: xmms rh8 04/10/02 14:11:16, Oleg Kobets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, you can easily d/l the missing rpm from xmms website. Oleg. And is THAT legal ?? Those libraries use a technology which is patented, how is that allowed ??? Eli There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones.. - Dire Straits - Brothers in Arms = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Friday 04 October 2002 19:10, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2002, voguemaster wrote about Re: xmms rh8: Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. Yes, this was a really chicken move from Redhat. I forwarded an Email from the guys in germany that they don't really care about XMMS or any open source MP3 players (not encoders - they have some fight with the LAME project guys), but unfortunately (and lately typical behavior of Red Hat personnel) they didn't care so much and they gave me the reason that the GPL disallowes you to spread a GPL program which implements some patents.. go figure (of course the fact that they do bundle programs like aktion or Xine which got TONS of patents on it [feel free to search for MPEG-2 patents] didn't really bother them so much.. Another thing that I was disappointed to see Redhat not providing with their distribution any more was the immortal game xbill :( deprecated.. Thanks Hetz (who's suffering right now from Bezeq's stupidity regardin ADSL).. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
áéåí øàùåï, 6 áàå÷èåáø 2002, 19:38, Dvir Volk ëúá: I highly doubt it's legal. I've looked in fraunhofer's site, which refered me to an mp3 licensing site, that said: snip From that QA it seems to me that developers are required to get a license, but not users - you are expected to use a licensed software, but if you don't, nobody expects you to buy a private license. This is unlike the GIF issue where Unisys wants you to buy a license if your GIFs were not created by a licensed software - even if the files were not created by you. -- Oded ::.. What's the point of wearing your favorite rocketship underpants if nobody ever asks to see 'em? -- Calvin and Hobbes To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:39:57 +0300 Mark Veltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 04 October 2002 14:28, you wrote: Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? Eli What is so strange ? MP3 is a COPYRIGHTED format. A german research Small correction. The problem is PATENT and not COPYRIGHT in this case. ... cut the rest of the excelent response from Mark. Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron You know, someone once told me that New York has more lawyers than people. -- Warren Buffett, Fortune, 1999 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. Eli 04/10/02 04:40:42, Amir Sela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 03 October 2002 23:56, Meir Michanie wrote: Hi list: I installed rh8 and xmms was unable to play mp3, running rpm -ql xmms I saw that libmpeg123.so and libmpeg123.la was missing from the packet. So I copied from another machine running rh7.3 Isn't it weird? From http://www.xmms.org/ : Redhat 8 + Can't play mp3's? Oct 02, 2002 If you are using Redhat 8 and the supplied RPMS of XMMS you will find that it is not possible to load any mp3 files. Redhat was supposed to have a placeholder plugin informing you of the change, but that seems to have gone missing. Available here is some additional information and a mpg123 RPM for Redhat 8 installation of XMMS. Hopefully, I've made myself clear on this subject, since Redhat apparently failed to get their message through. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones.. - Dire Straits = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Friday 04 October 2002 11:28 am, voguemaster wrote: Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. they did it because of piracy issues. you can always get the plugin's and add them manually. tal. Eli 04/10/02 04:40:42, Amir Sela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 03 October 2002 23:56, Meir Michanie wrote: Hi list: I installed rh8 and xmms was unable to play mp3, running rpm -ql xmms I saw that libmpeg123.so and libmpeg123.la was missing from the packet. So I copied from another machine running rh7.3 Isn't it weird? From http://www.xmms.org/ : Redhat 8 + Can't play mp3's? Oct 02, 2002 If you are using Redhat 8 and the supplied RPMS of XMMS you will find that it is not possible to load any mp3 files. Redhat was supposed to have a placeholder plugin informing you of the change, but that seems to have gone missing. Available here is some additional information and a mpg123 RPM for Redhat 8 installation of XMMS. Hopefully, I've made myself clear on this subject, since Redhat apparently failed to get their message through. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones.. - Dire Straits = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
they removed the mp3 libs because of legal battle and fear of patent infrigement. i can't blame them, they are a profitable company that emphasises on making money and so a fear of legal battle is very frightening. especially when Fraun-something (the inventors of mp3 format) is making everybody who uses mp3 technology to pay them per product sold. Besides, you can easily d/l the missing rpm from xmms website. Oleg. - Original Message - From: voguemaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux-IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: xmms rh8 Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. Eli 04/10/02 04:40:42, Amir Sela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 03 October 2002 23:56, Meir Michanie wrote: Hi list: I installed rh8 and xmms was unable to play mp3, running rpm -ql xmms I saw that libmpeg123.so and libmpeg123.la was missing from the packet. So I copied from another machine running rh7.3 Isn't it weird? From http://www.xmms.org/ : Redhat 8 + Can't play mp3's? Oct 02, 2002 If you are using Redhat 8 and the supplied RPMS of XMMS you will find that it is not possible to load any mp3 files. Redhat was supposed to have a placeholder plugin informing you of the change, but that seems to have gone missing. Available here is some additional information and a mpg123 RPM for Redhat 8 installation of XMMS. Hopefully, I've made myself clear on this subject, since Redhat apparently failed to get their message through. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones.. - Dire Straits = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Amir Tal wrote: On Friday 04 October 2002 11:28 am, voguemaster wrote: Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. they did it because of piracy issues. you can always get the plugin's and add them manually. Anti-piracy? No-way! General discomfort of the fact that mp3 is a problematic by a patents, and that the patent holder can change the license terms at any desirable moment? Probably. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Friday 04 October 2002 14:13, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: General discomfort of the fact that mp3 is a problematic by a patents, and that the patent holder can change the license terms at any desirable moment? Probably. Patented technologies are doomed to dissapear. As we all switched to png and forgot about gifs, you can also switch to ogg :) Regards, Robert Wallner To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
Patented technologies are doomed to dissapear. Indeed, but only because every patent has its expiration date... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
voguemaster wrote: Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. RedHat already had to pull off all releases of RedHat Linux up to and including 6.1 from the mirrors because of a copyright suit from Agfa Monotype over providing an Arial font (it was not Monotype's original Arial, so I guess the suit was about confusing users, making them think they're using the genuine Arial font while they were using a knockoff, damaging Monotype's sales and reputation). They won't risk having to pull 8.0 off the shelves over some copyright / patent issue. P.S. I can think of another patent violation in a common free software app. When I asked the coders about it, they said their policy was to keep silent and act surprised when/if they'd get a legal suit. I guess I'll keep silent as well :) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: xmms rh8
I haven't installed rh8 yet, but did they at least, rig the various multimedia/web programs to offer/automaticaly to convert mp3 to ogg? Because it would be very annoying for newbies/people who don't have time to play with the os to start converting manually or to even think about the concept of converting it. did they at least explain what to do when u want to run an mp3 in xmms? i.e: a popup that direct u to a good conversion program? * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ilya Konstantinov Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:20 PM Cc: Linux-IL Subject: Re: xmms rh8 voguemaster wrote: Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. RedHat already had to pull off all releases of RedHat Linux up to and including 6.1 from the mirrors because of a copyright suit from Agfa Monotype over providing an Arial font (it was not Monotype's original Arial, so I guess the suit was about confusing users, making them think they're using the genuine Arial font while they were using a knockoff, damaging Monotype's sales and reputation). They won't risk having to pull 8.0 off the shelves over some copyright / patent issue. P.S. I can think of another patent violation in a common free software app. When I asked the coders about it, they said their policy was to keep silent and act surprised when/if they'd get a legal suit. I guess I'll keep silent as well :) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
AT they did it because of piracy issues. you can always get the AT plugin's and add them manually. Just a second. Is it real RH statement that mp3 format equals piracy (which means, unofrtunately, that RH management has completely lost his mind) or it is what you personally think? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-50-624945/\ JRRT LotR. whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 04 October 2002 02:15 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AT they did it because of piracy issues. you can always get the AT plugin's and add them manually. Just a second. Is it real RH statement that mp3 format equals piracy (which means, unofrtunately, that RH management has completely lost his mind) or it is what you personally think? maybe i used the wrong fraze here. patent issues. tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Friday 04 October 2002 02:57 pm, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I haven't installed rh8 yet, but did they at least, rig the various multimedia/web programs to offer/automaticaly to convert mp3 to ogg? Because it would be very annoying for newbies/people who don't have time to play with the os to start converting manually or to even think about the concept of converting it. i didnt see any convertion programs in rh8, during the 15 minuets i had it installed. did they at least explain what to do when u want to run an mp3 in xmms? i.e: a popup that direct u to a good conversion program? nothing. just an error msg that says this type of file is not supported or something... imagine that. tal. * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ilya Konstantinov Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:20 PM Cc: Linux-IL Subject: Re: xmms rh8 voguemaster wrote: Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. RedHat already had to pull off all releases of RedHat Linux up to and including 6.1 from the mirrors because of a copyright suit from Agfa Monotype over providing an Arial font (it was not Monotype's original Arial, so I guess the suit was about confusing users, making them think they're using the genuine Arial font while they were using a knockoff, damaging Monotype's sales and reputation). They won't risk having to pull 8.0 off the shelves over some copyright / patent issue. P.S. I can think of another patent violation in a common free software app. When I asked the coders about it, they said their policy was to keep silent and act surprised when/if they'd get a legal suit. I guess I'll keep silent as well :) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Fri, Oct 04, 2002, voguemaster wrote about Re: xmms rh8: Honestly I don't quite get it. How can they break such a behaviour or supported feature of the system ?? RH at previous versions could play mp3 easily, now you can't use XMMS ?? This makes me think twice about this release.. Yes, this was a really chicken move from Redhat. But since the fact that their xmms does not support mp3 was well-publicised, I just made sure that during the upgrade of my computer from 7.3 to 8.0 the xmms package will not be updated, so I still have mp3 support :) During an update Redhat does not remove old packages that are not overriden by new ones, so in addition to the old xmms package, I still have the mpg321 package. Another thing that I was disappointed to see Redhat not providing with their distribution any more was the immortal game xbill :( -- Nadav Har'El| Friday, Oct 4 2002, 29 Tishri 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Earth First! We can strip-mine the other http://nadav.harel.org.il |planets later... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xmms rh8
Hi list: I installed rh8 and xmms was unable to play mp3, running rpm -ql xmms I saw that libmpeg123.so and libmpeg123.la was missing from the packet. So I copied from another machine running rh7.3 Isn't it weird? -- QOTD: I tried buying a goat instead of a lawn tractor; had to return it though. Couldn't figure out a way to connect the snow blower. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xmms rh8
On Thursday 03 October 2002 23:56, Meir Michanie wrote: Hi list: I installed rh8 and xmms was unable to play mp3, running rpm -ql xmms I saw that libmpeg123.so and libmpeg123.la was missing from the packet. So I copied from another machine running rh7.3 Isn't it weird? From http://www.xmms.org/ : Redhat 8 + Can't play mp3's? Oct 02, 2002 If you are using Redhat 8 and the supplied RPMS of XMMS you will find that it is not possible to load any mp3 files. Redhat was supposed to have a placeholder plugin informing you of the change, but that seems to have gone missing. Available here is some additional information and a mpg123 RPM for Redhat 8 installation of XMMS. Hopefully, I've made myself clear on this subject, since Redhat apparently failed to get their message through. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
