Re: [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-22 Thread Pavel Machek
On Wed 2018-10-17 09:19:01, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > allowed. > > Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free > experien

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 08:21:02AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:31:35AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:13 AM Josh Triplett > > wrote: > > > it does, however, ensure that the listed cases *are*, > > > and helps people know that they're

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Joe Perches
On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 02:13 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:19:01AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > allowed. > > Thi

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 08:49:15AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 08:21 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > > People in underrepresented and commonly marginalized groups, > > especially those more commonly overlooked, don't always know if a > > given group has taken their particula

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 08:21 -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > People in underrepresented and commonly marginalized groups, > especially those more commonly overlooked, don't always know if a > given group has taken their particular group into account or given > any thought to it. Explicit inclusion hel

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 06:32:36AM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote: > One could consider adding something like "discrimination factors such as", > or maybe "or any other discrimination factors not listed here" to the > original text. Or a simple "regardless of, for example, ...". These sound like perfe

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:31:35AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Hi Josh, > > Thanks for your comments! > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:13 AM Josh Triplett wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:19:01AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factor

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Guenter Roeck
On 10/17/2018 02:13 AM, Josh Triplett wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:19:01AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be allowed. This impression is, in fact,

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Guenter Roeck
On 10/17/2018 02:31 AM, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: Hi Josh, Thanks for your comments! On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:13 AM Josh Triplett wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:19:01AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false impression th

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
Hi Josh, Thanks for your comments! On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:13 AM Josh Triplett wrote: > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:19:01AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted fa

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:19:01AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > allowed. This impression is, in fact, false, as has already been discussed elsew

[PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-17 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be allowed. Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free experience for everyone", period. Fixes: 8a104f8b5867c682 ("Code of Condu

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-11 Thread Rainer Fiebig
Am Mittwoch, 10. Oktober 2018, 15:16:12 schrieb Josh Triplett: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 01:55:04PM -0700, Frank Rowand wrote: > > On 10/07/18 01:51, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > > impression that discrimination based on

Re: [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-10 Thread Tomi Valkeinen
On 07/10/18 11:51, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > allowed. > > Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free > experience for ev

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-10 Thread Frank Rowand
On 10/10/18 15:33, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Josh Triplett : >>> The words removed by this patch are a political statement. >> >> Choosing not to say those words is a political statement. > > The situation is not symmetrical. Choosing the protected classes > in the CoC is a *change* in its implied

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-10 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Josh Triplett : > > The words removed by this patch are a political statement. > > Choosing not to say those words is a political statement. The situation is not symmetrical. Choosing the protected classes in the CoC is a *change* in its implied politics. It's a change that is, obviously from

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-10 Thread Josh Triplett
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 01:55:04PM -0700, Frank Rowand wrote: > On 10/07/18 01:51, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > allowed. > > > > Avoid any ambigu

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-10 Thread Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
Em Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 01:55:04PM -0700, Frank Rowand escreveu: > On 10/07/18 01:51, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > allowed. > > > > Avoid any amb

Re: [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-10 Thread Frank Rowand
On 10/07/18 01:51, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > allowed. > > Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free > experience for ev

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-08 Thread Josh Triplett
On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 04:42:47PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > In any case, this is not the appropriate place for such patches, any > > more than it's the place for patches to the GPL. > > I disagree. We had the GPLv2 or GPLv3 discussion on the kernel mailing > list. The syscall clarification was d

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-08 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 4:30 PM Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > FTR, I've submitted my patch earlier today, too: > https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/issues/610 Will be clarified in the (external-to-Linux) FAQ. Quoting Coraline: "However, any adopting project is free to modif

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-08 Thread Alan Cox
> In any case, this is not the appropriate place for such patches, any > more than it's the place for patches to the GPL. I disagree. We had the GPLv2 or GPLv3 discussion on the kernel mailing list. The syscall clarification was discussed on the list. The EXPORT_SYMBOL and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL stuff

RE: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-08 Thread Tim.Bird
> -Original Message- > From: Laurent Pinchart > > Hi Tim, > > On Monday, 8 October 2018 17:12:05 EEST tim.b...@sony.com wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Josh Triplett > > > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 08:18:26PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > >> On Sunday, 7 October 201

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-08 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
Hi Tim, On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 4:12 PM wrote: > > From: Josh Triplett > > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 08:18:26PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > > On Sunday, 7 October 2018 14:35:14 EEST Josh Triplett wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > > > Prov

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-08 Thread Laurent Pinchart
Hi Tim, On Monday, 8 October 2018 17:12:05 EEST tim.b...@sony.com wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Josh Triplett > > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 08:18:26PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > >> On Sunday, 7 October 2018 14:35:14 EEST Josh Triplett wrote: > >>> On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:5

RE: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-08 Thread Tim.Bird
> -Original Message- > From: Josh Triplett > > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 08:18:26PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > Hi Josh, > > > > On Sunday, 7 October 2018 14:35:14 EEST Josh Triplett wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > > Providing an

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-08 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 04:35:14AM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > allowed.

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-08 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
Hi Josh, On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 1:35 PM Josh Triplett wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > allowed. >

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-07 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 08:18:26PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > Hi Josh, > > On Sunday, 7 October 2018 14:35:14 EEST Josh Triplett wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > >

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-07 Thread Laurent Pinchart
Hi Josh, On Sunday, 7 October 2018 14:35:14 EEST Josh Triplett wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > > al

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-07 Thread Josh Triplett
On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be > allowed. > > Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-f

[PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-07 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be allowed. Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free experience for everyone", period. Fixes: 8a104f8b5867c682 ("Code of Condu