Evolution questions (was Re: sharing an inbox in kmail)

2003-10-07 Thread Tim Wunder
On 10/6/2003 9:59 PM, I believe that burns wrote:
On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 10:42, Tom Wilson wrote:


Is there a way to import mail from kmail with Evolution.  I messed with
using it when I initially setup op this pc but I couldn't get all my
mail from Kmail to import to it.  Same problem with sylpheed.  So I
stuck with using Kmail.
I use Evolution at work (As I send these e-mails from it) and I like it
ok.  


From Ximian HELP:
-
Ximian Evolution can import the following types of files: 
snip useful quotations

But does it import *filters*?
I've become frustrated with kmail's blocking of user activity  during 
filter processing (version 1.5.x) and was considering giving Evolution a 
go. But I've always balked at having to re-enter all my filters.

Also, does Evolution provide for e-mail list handling on a per folder 
basis? In kmail, my linux-users folder is configured so that when I 
create a mail message while in that folder, it is automatically 
addressed to the group. This is also handy for mailing lists that don't 
set a reply-to, I can click the ReplyToMailingList button and compose a 
reply addressed to the list. This is also a reason that I haven't 
converted to Mozilla Mail at home. While Moz is great at filtering junk 
mail, it doesn't have good mailing list handling features.

Regards,
Tim


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Re: Evolution questions (was Re: sharing an inbox in kmail)

2003-10-07 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:11:44 -0400
Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 10/6/2003 9:59 PM, I believe that burns wrote:
  On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 10:42, Tom Wilson wrote:
  
  
 Is there a way to import mail from kmail with Evolution.  I messed with
 using it when I initially setup op this pc but I couldn't get all my
 mail from Kmail to import to it.  Same problem with sylpheed.  So I
 stuck with using Kmail.
 
 I use Evolution at work (As I send these e-mails from it) and I like it
 ok.  
  
  
 From Ximian HELP:
  -
  Ximian Evolution can import the following types of files: 
 snip useful quotations
 
 But does it import *filters*?
 I've become frustrated with kmail's blocking of user activity  during 
 filter processing (version 1.5.x) and was considering giving Evolution a 
 go. But I've always balked at having to re-enter all my filters.
 
 Also, does Evolution provide for e-mail list handling on a per folder 
 basis? In kmail, my linux-users folder is configured so that when I 
 create a mail message while in that folder, it is automatically 
 addressed to the group. This is also handy for mailing lists that don't 
 set a reply-to, I can click the ReplyToMailingList button and compose a 
 reply addressed to the list. This is also a reason that I haven't 
 converted to Mozilla Mail at home. While Moz is great at filtering junk 
 mail, it doesn't have good mailing list handling features.

E-mail defaults can be per folder, IMS.

I have not seen a way to import filters into Evolution. In fact, I have
gotten so tired of this with mail readers in general that I now use procmail
to filter my incoming mail. That way it is done once and for all mail
readers that can access my mail store. This also helps as my mail is managed
on my pc by imap. I can access it via Evolution or web mail reader.  I don't
want to set up filters in every web mail reader on the planet. So, I do it
as each message arrives by procmail. Then Sylpheed (at work), Evolution (at
home) and SquirrelMail (abroad) all use IMAP and get 'pre-filtered' mail.
None of them have any filter rules.

It is the only way to stay filter sane.


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Re: Evolution questions (was Re: sharing an inbox in kmail)

2003-10-07 Thread Tim Wunder
On 10/7/2003 8:38 AM, I believe that Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:11:44 -0400
Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip

But does it import *filters*?
I've become frustrated with kmail's blocking of user activity  during 
filter processing (version 1.5.x) and was considering giving Evolution a 
go. But I've always balked at having to re-enter all my filters.

Also, does Evolution provide for e-mail list handling on a per folder 
basis? In kmail, my linux-users folder is configured so that when I 
create a mail message while in that folder, it is automatically 
addressed to the group. This is also handy for mailing lists that don't 
set a reply-to, I can click the ReplyToMailingList button and compose a 
reply addressed to the list. This is also a reason that I haven't 
converted to Mozilla Mail at home. While Moz is great at filtering junk 
mail, it doesn't have good mailing list handling features.


E-mail defaults can be per folder, IMS.

IMS?

I have not seen a way to import filters into Evolution. In fact, I have
gotten so tired of this with mail readers in general that I now use procmail
to filter my incoming mail. That way it is done once and for all mail
readers that can access my mail store. This also helps as my mail is managed
on my pc by imap. I can access it via Evolution or web mail reader.  I don't
want to set up filters in every web mail reader on the planet. So, I do it
as each message arrives by procmail. Then Sylpheed (at work), Evolution (at
home) and SquirrelMail (abroad) all use IMAP and get 'pre-filtered' mail.
None of them have any filter rules.
It is the only way to stay filter sane.


Now *there's* a reason to learn how to filter with procmail. It's always 
seemed so cryptic to me, and I've never taken the time to try to learn 
it. Is there a Step on procmail filtering?
...wanders off to learn about procmail

Thanks,
Tim
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Re: Evolution questions (was Re: sharing an inbox in kmail)

2003-10-07 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:51:19 -0400
Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 10/7/2003 8:38 AM, I believe that Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

  E-mail defaults can be per folder, IMS.
 IMS?

If Memory Serves

 Now *there's* a reason to learn how to filter with procmail. It's always 
 seemed so cryptic to me, and I've never taken the time to try to learn 
 it. Is there a Step on procmail filtering?
 ...wanders off to learn about procmail

Don't know. And I am surely NOT the local expert!

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Re: Evolution questions (was Re: sharing an inbox in kmail)

2003-10-07 Thread Keith Morse
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Tim Wunder wrote:

 Now *there's* a reason to learn how to filter with procmail. It's always 
 seemed so cryptic to me, and I've never taken the time to try to learn 
 it. Is there a Step on procmail filtering?
 ...wanders off to learn about procmail


A good place I've found to start is infinite ink.  www.ii.com


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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-07 Thread Matthew Carpenter
If possible, use IMAP.  I pull my Internet mail from the outside server to
my internal server using Fetchmail (POP3) and then use IMAP to my internal
server, since IMAP is more costly of bandwidth than POP3.  But I detest
local email.  Nothing like getting on a different machine and not having
access to your email.  yech.

- Original Message - 
From: burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: sharing an inbox in kmail


 On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 10:42, Tom Wilson wrote:

  Is there a way to import mail from kmail with Evolution.  I messed with
  using it when I initially setup op this pc but I couldn't get all my
  mail from Kmail to import to it.  Same problem with sylpheed.  So I
  stuck with using Kmail.
 
  I use Evolution at work (As I send these e-mails from it) and I like it
  ok.

 From Ximian HELP:
 -
 Ximian Evolution can import the following types of files:

 VCard (.vcf, gcrd):

 The addressbook format used by the GNOME, KDE, and many other
 contact management applications. You should be able to export to
 VCard format from any address book application.

 iCalendar (.ics):

 A format for storing calendar files. iCalendar is used by PalmOS
 based handhelds, Ximian Evolution, and Microsoft Outlook.

 Microsoft Outlook Express 4 (.mbx):

 Email file format used by Microsoft Outlook Express 4. For other
 versions of Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express, see the
 workaround described in the note below.

 MBox (mbox):

 The email box format used by Mozilla, Netscape, Ximian
 Evolution, Eudora, and many other email clients.

 To import your old email:

  1. Click File-Import.

  2. Click Next after reading the Welcome screen.

  3. Select Import a single file.

  4. Find the file that you wish to import into Evolution.

  5. Click Import


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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-06 Thread Tom Wilson
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 23:36, Andrew Mathews wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Tom Wilson wrote:
 | Hi all
 |
 | My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general
 | corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of having
 | to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail that she
 | gets that I happened to download.
 |
 | Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our shared
 | e-mail account?
 |
 [...]
 
 If you have the ability to use IMAP4 instead of POP3 this would solve
 the problem immediately. If not, it's multiple copies of email on
 multiple machines (why I went to IMAP4 instead).

According to my ISP's web site they only use POP3 for home users.  Maybe
I should call and find out for sure.  

Thanks Andrew,

--Tom Wilson


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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-06 Thread Tom Wilson
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 11:19, Bruce Marshall wrote:
 On Friday 03 October 2003 23:36 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote:
  Tom Wilson wrote:
  | Hi all
  |
  | My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general
  | corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of
  | having to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail
  | that she gets that I happened to download.
  |
  | Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our
  | shared e-mail account?
 
  [...]
 
  If you have the ability to use IMAP4 instead of POP3 this would solve
  the problem immediately. If not, it's multiple copies of email on
  multiple machines (why I went to IMAP4 instead).
 
 Or use fetchmail and procmail to make two copies of each email.  And 
 procmail could do spam filtering (spamassassin) as well as backing up 
 each incoming email as well as other filtering.


I was looking into setting this up.  Seemed a bit much just for one
e-mail address but it may be the best way in the long run.  

Thanks,

--Tom Wilson


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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-06 Thread Tom Wilson
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 12:48, Mike Reinehr wrote:
 This would be my preferred solution, as well. Otherwise, I believe the 
 following would work, as well.
 
 Kmail stores all your messages in ~/Mail, that is, a Mail subdirectory in 
 your home directory. Using your login, configure Kmail as you would like it. 
 Then, under her login configure Kmail identically. Then, replace the ~/Mail 
 subdirectory in her home directory (or yours) with a link pointing to the 
 other ~/Mail subdirectory. Next, make sure all permissions relating to the 
 ~/Mail subdirectories and any and all files and subdirectories therein are 
 readable, writeable and searchable by both of you.
 
 Both of you should then be able to login as appropriate, check and send 
 e-mail, as long as you're not both logged in simultaneously.
 
 No warranty expressed or implied! :-)
 
 mike

I had tried this once and never quite got the permissions right.  I may
give it a whirl again.

--Thanks,

--Tom Wilson


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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-06 Thread Tom Wilson
On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 09:49, Harry Giles wrote:
 Create the account on both users Kmail, but set it to leave messages on the 
 server.  Then both will get copies.  Every now and then (or when you get a 
 warning from your server telling you are reaching your limit) set one of 
 them to delete the messages on the server, check the mail once or twice, 
 and set it back to leave messages on server.  This will clear the server.

Many thanks for the idea.  I didn't think of that one.  

--Tom Wilson


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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-06 Thread Tom Wilson
On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 23:02, burns wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 23:05, Tom Wilson wrote:
  Hi all
  
  My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general 
  corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of having 
  to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail that she 
  gets that I happened to download.  
  
  Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our shared 
  e-mail account?  
  
  I looked at Kmail filtering a copy of every message downloaded into her 
  $HOME/Mail/inbox file but there is only a move to option not a copy to.  
 
 
 If you can put up with Ximian Evolution mail, their filter rules allow
 you to 'Copy To' a specified folder or mailbox, et volia!

Is there a way to import mail from kmail with Evolution.  I messed with
using it when I initially setup op this pc but I couldn't get all my
mail from Kmail to import to it.  Same problem with sylpheed.  So I
stuck with using Kmail.

I use Evolution at work (As I send these e-mails from it) and I like it
ok.  

Thanks.

--Tom Wilson


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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-06 Thread burns
On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 10:42, Tom Wilson wrote:

 Is there a way to import mail from kmail with Evolution.  I messed with
 using it when I initially setup op this pc but I couldn't get all my
 mail from Kmail to import to it.  Same problem with sylpheed.  So I
 stuck with using Kmail.
 
 I use Evolution at work (As I send these e-mails from it) and I like it
 ok.  

From Ximian HELP:
-
Ximian Evolution can import the following types of files: 

VCard (.vcf, gcrd):

The addressbook format used by the GNOME, KDE, and many other
contact management applications. You should be able to export to
VCard format from any address book application. 

iCalendar (.ics):

A format for storing calendar files. iCalendar is used by PalmOS
based handhelds, Ximian Evolution, and Microsoft Outlook. 

Microsoft Outlook Express 4 (.mbx):

Email file format used by Microsoft Outlook Express 4. For other
versions of Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express, see the
workaround described in the note below. 

MBox (mbox):

The email box format used by Mozilla, Netscape, Ximian
Evolution, Eudora, and many other email clients. 

To import your old email: 

 1. Click File-Import. 

 2. Click Next after reading the Welcome screen. 

 3. Select Import a single file. 

 4. Find the file that you wish to import into Evolution. 

 5. Click Import 


-- 
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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-05 Thread burns
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 23:05, Tom Wilson wrote:
 Hi all
 
 My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general 
 corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of having 
 to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail that she 
 gets that I happened to download.  
 
 Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our shared 
 e-mail account?  
 
 I looked at Kmail filtering a copy of every message downloaded into her 
 $HOME/Mail/inbox file but there is only a move to option not a copy to.  


If you can put up with Ximian Evolution mail, their filter rules allow
you to 'Copy To' a specified folder or mailbox, et volia!

-- 
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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-04 Thread Harry Giles
On Fri October 3 2003 11:05 pm, Tom Wilson wrote:
 Hi all

 My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general
 corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of having
 to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail that she
 gets that I happened to download.

 Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our shared
 e-mail account?

 I looked at Kmail filtering a copy of every message downloaded into her
 $HOME/Mail/inbox file but there is only a move to option not a copy to.

 I also though that copying the inbox from my $HOME/Mail directory over
 to hers via a nightly cron job would work but then there is the problem
 of her not wanting to keep certain e-mails that I would and vice versa
 and her inbox being overwritten.  Plus permission problems, etc.

 I don't know procmail but did a little research on it and it seems to be
 overkill for this minor task.  Although I'd like to learn to use it for
 spam filtering.  But I don't have sendmail running on the desktop
 machine.  And the recieving of pop mail is done via Kmail.  Not
 q-popper or fetchmail or any such thing.

 Any advice, tips, pointers, or ideas on how to get this working?

Create the account on both users Kmail, but set it to leave messages on the 
server.  Then both will get copies.  Every now and then (or when you get a 
warning from your server telling you are reaching your limit) set one of 
them to delete the messages on the server, check the mail once or twice, 
and set it back to leave messages on server.  This will clear the server.

Hope that helps.

Harry G

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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-04 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Friday 03 October 2003 23:36 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote:
 Tom Wilson wrote:
 | Hi all
 |
 | My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general
 | corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of
 | having to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail
 | that she gets that I happened to download.
 |
 | Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our
 | shared e-mail account?

 [...]

 If you have the ability to use IMAP4 instead of POP3 this would solve
 the problem immediately. If not, it's multiple copies of email on
 multiple machines (why I went to IMAP4 instead).

Or use fetchmail and procmail to make two copies of each email.  And 
procmail could do spam filtering (spamassassin) as well as backing up 
each incoming email as well as other filtering.


-- 
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pleasure
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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-04 Thread Herb DeLong
My ISP lets us have two email addresses at no extra charge. She has her's
and I have mine.
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: sharing an inbox in kmail


 On Friday 03 October 2003 23:36 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote:
  Tom Wilson wrote:
  | Hi all
  |
  | My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general
  | corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of
  | having to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail
  | that she gets that I happened to download.
  |
  | Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our
  | shared e-mail account?
 
  [...]
 
  If you have the ability to use IMAP4 instead of POP3 this would solve
  the problem immediately. If not, it's multiple copies of email on
  multiple machines (why I went to IMAP4 instead).

 Or use fetchmail and procmail to make two copies of each email.  And
 procmail could do spam filtering (spamassassin) as well as backing up
 each incoming email as well as other filtering.


 --

+---
-+
 + Bruce S. Marshall  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Bellaire, MI 10/04/03
 11:17  +

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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-04 Thread Mike Reinehr
This would be my preferred solution, as well. Otherwise, I believe the 
following would work, as well.

Kmail stores all your messages in ~/Mail, that is, a Mail subdirectory in 
your home directory. Using your login, configure Kmail as you would like it. 
Then, under her login configure Kmail identically. Then, replace the ~/Mail 
subdirectory in her home directory (or yours) with a link pointing to the 
other ~/Mail subdirectory. Next, make sure all permissions relating to the 
~/Mail subdirectories and any and all files and subdirectories therein are 
readable, writeable and searchable by both of you.

Both of you should then be able to login as appropriate, check and send 
e-mail, as long as you're not both logged in simultaneously.

No warranty expressed or implied! :-)

mike

On Saturday 04 October 2003 10:33 am, you wrote:
 My ISP lets us have two email addresses at no extra charge. She has her's
 and I have mine.
 - Original Message -
 From: Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 11:19 AM
 Subject: Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

  On Friday 03 October 2003 23:36 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote:
   Tom Wilson wrote:
   | Hi all
   |
   | My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general
   | corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of
   | having to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail
   | that she gets that I happened to download.
   |
   | Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our
   | shared e-mail account?
  
   [...]
  
   If you have the ability to use IMAP4 instead of POP3 this would solve
   the problem immediately. If not, it's multiple copies of email on
   multiple machines (why I went to IMAP4 instead).
 
  Or use fetchmail and procmail to make two copies of each email.  And
  procmail could do spam filtering (spamassassin) as well as backing up
  each incoming email as well as other filtering.
 
 
  --

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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-04 Thread Collins Richey
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:33:07 -0400 Herb DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My ISP lets us have two email addresses at no extra charge. She has her's
 and I have mine.

True enough, but the originator of this thread specifically said that he uses
a common address for family to respond with items of interest to both of
them.

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sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-03 Thread Tom Wilson
Hi all

My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general 
corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of having 
to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail that she 
gets that I happened to download.  

Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our shared 
e-mail account?  

I looked at Kmail filtering a copy of every message downloaded into her 
$HOME/Mail/inbox file but there is only a move to option not a copy to.  

I also though that copying the inbox from my $HOME/Mail directory over 
to hers via a nightly cron job would work but then there is the problem 
of her not wanting to keep certain e-mails that I would and vice versa 
and her inbox being overwritten.  Plus permission problems, etc.

I don't know procmail but did a little research on it and it seems to be 
overkill for this minor task.  Although I'd like to learn to use it for 
spam filtering.  But I don't have sendmail running on the desktop 
machine.  And the recieving of pop mail is done via Kmail.  Not 
q-popper or fetchmail or any such thing.  

Any advice, tips, pointers, or ideas on how to get this working?  

TIA,

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Tom Wilson
Reg. Linux user# 199331


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Re: sharing an inbox in kmail

2003-10-03 Thread Andrew Mathews
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Tom Wilson wrote:
| Hi all
|
| My wife and I have an e-mail address that we share for general
| corresponce with friends and family.   She is getting tired of having
| to have me login under my username so she can see any e-mail that she
| gets that I happened to download.
|
| Any recommendations on a method so we can share the inbox for our shared
| e-mail account?
|
[...]
If you have the ability to use IMAP4 instead of POP3 this would solve
the problem immediately. If not, it's multiple copies of email on
multiple machines (why I went to IMAP4 instead).
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