Re: OT linux stuff
7/12/2001 1:15:09 AM, Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, are you trolling for flames, or what? if you like w2k that much go use it but *something* must have made you want to try a real OS or you would be here. right? if you want to talk LINUX then you'll probably get help and be able to actually enjoy your experience but if all you're going to do is crow about how you're so happy with your favorite ms flavor, why bother? Nah Myles, I wasn't trolling for flames. And I was talking Linux. As for Win2000, I just mentioned it doesn't crash for me. I have no great love for Microsoft. Yes I read the info with the distros, yes I took my time. Yes I did edited /etc/rc.d/modules under Slackware. I do support Linux, and I don't see anything wrong with pointing out stuff on it that doesn't work well or to my expectations. Yes KDE would hang up particularly under Slackware. Total hangs killing the mouse and keyboard. So I ran xf86config to see if that's what was causing it. As for the NIC, Caldera with the 2.4.x kernel gives the error garbage in the relay string. Suse gives a timeout error during dhcp and Slackware just sits for a bit, then goes on to X, with DHCP not working. Only with the 2.4.x kernels. Hardware on all three machines is fine. And I do know what I'm doing, and I read most everything. The problem is in the distros. I'll keep messing with them. Like I said, I wasn't trolling, just pointing stuff out. I still use Caldera 2.4, and everything works. Eddie ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Redhat Tux 2.0 blows away all other webservers
No change, burns. It still looks the same. Are others reporting a strange-looking font? If not, I might need to change my reader config. Regards, Glenn On Thursday 12 July 2001 05:28 am, you wrote: Glenn Williams wrote: The font still looks like that on an xt console here. Just now had time to get back to this. How's this then? -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 135678 Powered by SuSE 7.2 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Redhat Tux 2.0 blows away all other webservers
Burns, Try a new message. Is it possible that mailers try to preserve the original char format in replies? Ronnie On Thursday 12 July 2001 07:28, burns wrote: Glenn Williams wrote: The font still looks like that on an xt console here. Just now had time to get back to this. How's this then? Still the same.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01071009413503.01304@linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP - Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- +--- -+ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/12/01 08:58 + +--- -+ "Clear writers assume, with a pessimism born of experience, that whatever isn't plainly stated the reader will invariably misconstrue." - John R. Trimble ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
sylpheed
I installed Sylpheed 0.5.0 from an .rpm I ran the app from a terminal. When attempting to compose a new message I get this in the terminal window... Sylpheed-CRITICAL **: file xml.c: line 110 (xml_parse_file): assertion `file != NULL' failed. If I go ahead and try to send the message I then get: Sylpheed-WARNING **: Error occurred while sending RCPT TO My system meets all the requirements etc.. I tried uninstalling, and reinstalling from a tarball. Still the same errors. Thanks in advance for any help on this. Eddie -- get linux ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: X display problem (was Re: Stupid newbie network question)
Susan Macchia offered this little gem: % % Say, did you ever solve your X programming dilemma (how to identify % the client GUI system)? % % No, I could find no way to identify the windowing system to which an % app is displayed. I have customers who use Exceed or ReflectionX and % the default fonts/window sizes chosen for, say Tru64, don't look right % under Exceed/ReflectionX, which is why I would like to dectect this. % Our application does allow the user to customize said sizes/fonts, but % not until after running it with the default fonts/sizes for Tru64. Ho, % hum... % % Thanks for asking anyway :-) Sure. I posted a reply with some suggestions, but my memory of Xt and Xlib programming has grown a shade rusty, so I wasn't sure if they would work. Kurt ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sylpheed
On Thursday 12 July 2001 12:24, Eddie Arteaga wrote: I installed Sylpheed 0.5.0 from an .rpm I ran the app from a terminal. When attempting to compose a new message I get this in the terminal window... Sylpheed-CRITICAL **: file xml.c: line 110 (xml_parse_file): assertion `file != NULL' failed. If I go ahead and try to send the message I then get: Sylpheed-WARNING **: Error occurred while sending RCPT TO My system meets all the requirements etc.. I tried uninstalling, and reinstalling from a tarball. Still the same errors. Thanks in advance for any help on this. Eddie Just a possibility but it sounds to me like maybe you have some 'junk' in one of the settings fields??I know that if I screw up my addressing and try to send to something likejoe it will give the RCPT TO error. I'd check everything carefully. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/12/01 14:58 + ++ On a clear disk you can seek forever. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
free poster
For anyone into networking, a free communications protocol poster. They fold it but its still a real nice poster showing all layers for: TCP, UDP, cisco, wireless, M$, NetWare, IBM. ISO, DECnet p.iv, Appletalk http://www.sniffer.com last link under Whats New Ronnie ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Win4Lin
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 11:17:01AM -0400, Michael W. Holdeman wrote: uname responds with Linux 2.4.5-win4lin There are no errors when booting teh kernel, and there were no errors compiling or patching. The installer just states it is not a win4lin enabled kernel. It also does not come up with a dist. name or version either? I jave successfully compiled 2.4.4 win4lin patched kernels with both eD2.4 Just guessing. Caldera and RedHat have the same scheme for initialization scripts. Suse is different. Could the Win4Lin script at startup not be running? Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT linux stuff
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Rick Sivernell cleverly noted: living , promoting linux. It is great. I have made many new freinds here and they live around the world, M$ does not have anything like it. = True!! But don't they *own* the world yet?? ;-) Mike -- One can search the brain with a microscope and not find the mind, and can search the stars with a telescope and not find God. -- J. Gustav White ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT linux stuff
Original Message On 7/12/01, 5:45:21 PM, Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: OT linux stuff: OK, you edited the rc.modules file, uncommented the sb16 line and still no sound under the 2.4 kernel but you do get sound under the 2.2.19 kernel? Did you try building your own 2.4 kernel yet? FWIW, i could not get any sounds under XFce (added by me) using a 'stock' kernel but yet i did have sounds under kde and gnome. once i built a 2.4.6 kernel there was sound under XFce as well. I got the sound problem with either kernel, 2.2.x or 2.4.x. These are the kernels off the Cds. As for the NIC, Caldera with the 2.4.x kernel gives the error garbage in the relay string. Suse gives a timeout error during dhcp and snip i forgot, are you using cable or dsl? (perhaps you never said?) do you need to use pppoe perhaps? just a thought. I don't require pppoe. I said I used a cable connection in my original post. well, i'm glad you know what you're doing... and you're right: it's gotta be the distro fault. yep. sure thing... It is the distro's fault. There's no need to slam me, I never slammed you. huh? but what about the 'garbage strings' thing? i thought that was a problem... say... wait a minute... you wouldn't be related to hayseeds would you ?? This was uncool. I said I got the error from Caldera 3.1 in my original post, not 2.4.. I was not trying to slam Linux on the whole with my post. I realize things can be fixed. I merely pointed out stuff that I expect to work right out of the box. At any rate, I won't pursue this anymore. Thank you for your observations. Eddie ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: KernelBuild 2.4.6
We seem to have some problems with re-compiling in this list and it is due to the fact that many here now are Caldera refugees grin with differing distros in the list now. Initrd is a script that is called since the introduction of 2.4.x kernels. In Cladera it resides in /usr/libexec/modules/mkinitrd.sh and this is called with the path plus mkintrd 2.4.x(being the kernel number). AFAIK this is essential in the calling of modules and must be done _immediately_ after calling modules_install in the kernel compilation. If this si not done then you can expect problems with module calls, as I did before being aware of it. I would imagine that if it is necessary with Cladera then it probably is also with other distros. Ha to get this in and will endevour to edit and submit a revised Kernel Compiling for the SxS to include this before I unsub later today or early tomorrow, before leaving on holidays. Collins Richey wrote: I don't have a clue what you are referring to. My kernel compile SxS makes no mention of initrd anything. Can you point me to the SxS you are following. As to the latter, if your /boot has a symlink like vmlinuz -- vmlinuz... you can either remove it and point it to the new kernel, or you can change your lilo or grub to add a new entry that points to the new kernel name. -- Collins Richey Denver Area Gentoo_rc5 XFCE ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Keith Antoine aka Skippy 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland, 4061, Australia PH: 61 7 33002161 Certified Professional Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall!! Insensible phone computer assistance a speciality. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT linux stuff
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:32:50 -0500 Eddie Arteaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah Myles, I wasn't trolling for flames. And I was talking Linux. there's a difference between talking linux and complaining nothing works with whichever distro you try followed by comments like my win2k box never does this or that. As for Win2000, I just mentioned it doesn't crash for me. I have no great love for Microsoft. nor does most anyone on this list i'd wager Yes I read the info with the distros, yes I took my time. Yes I did edited /etc/rc.d/modules under Slackware. I do support Linux, and I don't see anything wrong with pointing out stuff on it that doesn't work well or to my expectations. OK, you edited the rc.modules file, uncommented the sb16 line and still no sound under the 2.4 kernel but you do get sound under the 2.2.19 kernel? Did you try building your own 2.4 kernel yet? FWIW, i could not get any sounds under XFce (added by me) using a 'stock' kernel but yet i did have sounds under kde and gnome. once i built a 2.4.6 kernel there was sound under XFce as well. Yes KDE would hang up particularly under Slackware. Total hangs killing the mouse and keyboard. So I ran xf86config to see if that's what was causing it. i think whoever built the slacware kde 2.1.2 packages did a piss poor job of it as it is extremely buggy with koffice segfaulting every time - and not just here either As for the NIC, Caldera with the 2.4.x kernel gives the error garbage in the relay string. Suse gives a timeout error during dhcp and snip i forgot, are you using cable or dsl? (perhaps you never said?) do you need to use pppoe perhaps? just a thought. Slackware just sits for a bit, then goes on to X, with DHCP not working. Only with the 2.4.x kernels. and you ran netconfig? hmmm something strange with that which kernel did you select, the one from the boot floppy or one off the CD? Hardware on all three machines is fine. And I do know what I'm doing, and I read most everything. The problem is in the distros. I'll keep messing with them. well, i'm glad you know what you're doing... and you're right: it's gotta be the distro fault. yep. sure thing... Like I said, I wasn't trolling, just pointing stuff out. I still use Caldera 2.4, and everything works. huh? but what about the 'garbage strings' thing? i thought that was a problem... say... wait a minute... you wouldn't be related to hayseeds would you ?? -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada *Slackware 8.0* -- Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://linuxsteps.webjump.com/ -- Calgary Linux Users Group (CLUG): http://www.calgary.linux.ca ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: KernelBuild 2.4.6
On Thursday 12 July 2001 06:48 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: | I would imagine that if it is necessary with Cladera then it | probably is also with other distros. nah. the geniuses at suse have rejiggered this, too, probably to make it easier to undo changes not approved by the suse high council but undertaken by mere paying customers anyway. (i'm of a mood to begin work on a book, how distributions killed linux, but this may just be my reaction, based on some of the questions i've seen on lists today and things like the carrion beetles of the plaintiff's bar, as expected, having today descended on the still-twitching carcass of caldera, leading me to believe that the solar system has slipped into the legendary great stupid nebula.) i hope to get around to dissecting whatever the hell it is that suse has done to /etc, but i won't have time until i finish installing all the headers that suse moronically left out of their standard install. -- dep there's more to history than what's in books; that's why it took so long to happen. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sylpheed
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:19:50 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylpheed has a mailing list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very helpful. On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:24:52 -0500 Eddie Arteaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed Sylpheed 0.5.0 from an .rpm I ran the app from a terminal. When attempting to compose a new message I get this in the terminal window... Sylpheed-CRITICAL **: file xml.c: line 110 (xml_parse_file): assertion `file != NULL' failed. If I go ahead and try to send the message I then get: Sylpheed-WARNING **: Error occurred while sending RCPT TO My system meets all the requirements etc.. I tried uninstalling, and reinstalling from a tarball. Still the same errors. Thanks in advance for any help on this. If that doesn't do the trick, march on over to http:/sylpheed.good-day.net and sign up for the user group. They are quite responsive. -- Collins Richey Denver Area Gentoo_rc5 XFCE ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Cross Posting Question
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pick a list and post it there. If its Caldera specific, then i'd say go to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Shawn Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I know that there was alot of commentary on the practice of cross posting between this list and the Caldera list. I have some commentary on my newly compiled rpms for OL 3.1 and KDE 2.1.1, would this be an appropriate time for said cross post or should I restrict these emails to the Caldera List only? I'd like to share this info, assuming anyone is interested (might be that most of those who are have made it this far already). But I do not wish to raise the anger of the folks who, quite rightly, do do not like the redundancy. I'm still the lone dissenting opinion. I love to hear about Caldera as wll as any other distro, and I'm not about to resubscribe to the other list. You can send me a private copy, which won't offend the thin-skinned ones in the group. -- Collins Richey Denver Area Gentoo_rc5 XFCE ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sylpheed
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:23:30 -0500 Eddie Arteaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:24:33 + Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that doesn't do the trick, march on over to http:/sylpheed.good-day.net and sign up for the user group. They are quite responsive. I installed it a third time from a freshly downloaded tarball and it works fine now. Go figure. You'll love it. I've never had an install failure or any kind of failure for the past several releases. -- Collins Richey Denver Area Gentoo_rc5 XFCE ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Cross Posting Question
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:09:46 -0700 (PDT), Net Llama wrote: Pick a list and post it there. If its Caldera specific, then i'd say go to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will do ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT linux stuff
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Eddie Arteaga dropped these nuggets of information: [snips] I got the sound problem with either kernel, 2.2.x or 2.4.x. These are the kernels off the Cds. Is this a ISA sound card? Perhaps an isapnp needs to be ran for this one. [snips] I don't require pppoe. I said I used a cable connection in my original post. Have you tried running dhcpcd from the command line? My DSL connection will not initialize with the GUI or at boot up. It uses an older dhcp protocol that requires the -r flag. Try 'dhcpcd -r device' [snips of the flame potential] -- Tom Wilson This may look like a sig but it is just an amazing simulation. Registered Linux user #199331 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: KernelBuild 2.4.6
I am so glad to see that you are your _'OLD_ happy self again Denis g. Yes I read your article and it was very helpful to me in that I will not be installing it, cos, if you had problems then I must by definition be worse off, if I did. The only other distruibutions that are left to me are RedHat (which i will try) and Mandrake 8, which I am unsure about. I will have, thanks to an un-named admirer, blush, a copy of Caldera 3.1 Workstation, which I am familiar with also its foilbles. I admit that I will probably be using this and trying out mandrake and Redhat. I am still sorry to say that I will have to leave windows installed, for my video stuff along with my cameras to download their pictures. Linux is not and will not be in the foreseeable future a full desktop usable OS for me. dep wrote: On Thursday 12 July 2001 06:48 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: | I would imagine that if it is necessary with Cladera then it | probably is also with other distros. nah. the geniuses at suse have rejiggered this, too, probably to make it easier to undo changes not approved by the suse high council but undertaken by mere paying customers anyway. (i'm of a mood to begin work on a book, how distributions killed linux, but this may just be my reaction, based on some of the questions i've seen on lists today and things like the carrion beetles of the plaintiff's bar, as expected, having today descended on the still-twitching carcass of caldera, leading me to believe that the solar system has slipped into the legendary great stupid nebula.) i hope to get around to dissecting whatever the hell it is that suse has done to /etc, but i won't have time until i finish installing all the headers that suse moronically left out of their standard install. -- dep there's more to history than what's in books; that's why it took so long to happen. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Keith Antoine aka Skippy 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland, 4061, Australia PH: 61 7 33002161 Certified Professional Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall!! Insensible phone computer assistance a speciality. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Cross Posting Question
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:20:19 + Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pick a list and post it there. If its Caldera specific, then i'd say go to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Shawn Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do not wish to raise the anger of the folks who, quite rightly, do do not like the redundancy. I'm still the lone dissenting opinion. I love to hear about Caldera I'm with you, I'd prefer not to discriminate against Caldera. But I subscribe to both lists still, and don't mind using my delete key at all. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sylpheed
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:46:16 + Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll love it. I've never had an install failure or any kind of failure for the past several releases. Do you use stable or claws? I tried claws but the editor didn't wrap, just ran off the right edge. Make it difficult to compose! But the features I like are in that version, especially the add to address book option. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: KernelBuild 2.4.6
On Thursday 12 July 2001 19:32, dep wrote: On Thursday 12 July 2001 06:48 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: | I would imagine that if it is necessary with Cladera then it | probably is also with other distros. nah. the geniuses at suse have rejiggered this, too, probably to make it easier to undo changes not approved by the suse high council but undertaken by mere paying customers anyway. (i'm of a mood to begin work on a book, how distributions killed linux, but this may just be my reaction, based on some of the questions i've seen on lists today and things like the carrion beetles of the plaintiff's bar, as expected, having today descended on the still-twitching carcass of caldera, leading me to believe that the solar system has slipped into the legendary great stupid nebula.) i hope to get around to dissecting whatever the hell it is that suse has done to /etc, but i won't have time until i finish installing all the headers that suse moronically left out of their standard install. Just found another 'wide decision' in SuSE 7.2 Tried to add a user... like webmaster. Should be an easy thing to do. Nope... It es verboten to add a user uhnless it be 2 to 8 chars in length!! Dumb... totally dumb. But just go to command line and use YAST instead of the gui YAST2. No problems, no questions asked. Dumb... totally dumb. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 07/12/01 22:15 + ++ Isn't it strange? The same people who laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously. - anonymous ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
devfs - scd01 devices
I've got devfs up and working on my Gentoo system. The Gentoo stock setup for /dev/devfsd.conf takes care of my sound devices - their permissions get preserved across a boot, but /dev/scd01 disappear each time I reboot and I have to resort to MAKEDEV again. I've read the SxS and tried adding REGISTER scd* MKOLDCOMPAT UNREGISTER scd* RMOLDCOMPAT Any suggestions? -- Collins Richey Denver Area Gentoo_rc5 XFCE ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Javascript and browsers: No wonder we have trouble!
I use opera as my main browser but find it difficult to use to do online business since its javascript often crashes or just hangs on some sites. I don't always know if I just have opera misconfigured or if opera's javascript implementation is bad. I have come to the conclusion that javascript as implemented in many linux browsers just isn't very good, or, is simply not compatible with with many web pages. As an example, look at this very simple web page on my home computer, HammersHome.com This will hang opera, so be careful! This page was made with WebSphere, the IBM free web page maker. Quite nice. The image has two events associated with it. onClick, a message box pops up. onMouseover a second message box pops up. Each of my browsers behaves differently with it: Opera works well with onClick, but with Mouseover, the message box never goes away and you lose control of the browser. Netscape 6.0 functions as you would expect. Netscape 4.75, even with javascript enabled, ignores the events, in both windows and linux. Looking at the page source shows that the event handlers aren't even loaded. Internet explorer under win4lin or windows works almost as expected but you can't close the window because the message box just keeps popping up when you hit close. Mozilla, version 1.9, works as expected. SO, the conclusion is, javascript is still a jungle, it is not fully standardized, and we in the linux world cannot expect web page designers to worry about us, since we are an insignificant part of the market. I have yet to see a web page (I don't look that hard) which as opera specific code in it, for example. I hope the mozilla/linux_netscape people are listening and make their javascript compatible with whatever $MS decides to do, because that will be the standard. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: devfs - scd01 devices
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:36:38 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: I've got devfs up and working on my Gentoo system. The Gentoo stock setup for /dev/devfsd.conf takes care of my sound devices - their permissions get preserved across a boot, but /dev/scd01 disappear each time I reboot and I have to resort to MAKEDEV again. I've read the SxS and tried adding REGISTER scd* MKOLDCOMPAT UNREGISTER scd* RMOLDCOMPAT Any suggestions? Do you have the driver loaded? normally, devfs will create the appropriate entry when a driver is loaded, no need to create them by hand. ide-scsi is in the /etc/rc.d/config/modules file (this is how you load modules on Gentoo) lsmod shows ide-scsi and scsi_mod loaded. -- Collins Richey Denver Area Gentoo_rc5 XFCE ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Suse vs Mandrake decision
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:32, dep wrote: [snipetty hack] so. how is everyone this morning? A lot better from reading the above, thanks. I suspect that the greatest majority of us here on this mailer, actually 'know' a great deal more about Linux : - under the covers, than we think we do. Since a large block of us come from a COL 2.x distro, where all of us, without exception, were forced to upgrade, tweak, tarball, rpm etc. Our preferences per any given distro, are not going to be easily pleased. We 'know' to a lesser or larger extent how things are supposed to work (config files, startups, boot managers, inittabs). While we might not be experts say in Sendmail, we've got a damn good idea when things don't look right. Eg your remark about SuSe forcing runlevels, is spot on, for us, that is not on. The point being, you're already talking to an educated audience. I reckon the only distro thart would actually satisfy me now, is one where it gets me to a command prompt, asap. Ie, it does all the basic (and I mean for god's sake, BASIC) stuff like installing lilo correctly, shovelling all the rpm somewhere, loading up kde (or xfce), reboots, and then lets ME decide how I want ppp daemon to run. In fact, the less script and wierdo config files, the better. I can make my own weirdo scripts far better than any distro can. I am an expert at stuffing it up betterer. -- http://linux.nf _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
SuSE Gripes [Was Re: KernelBuild 2.4.6]
Bruce Marshall offered this little gem: [snippage] % Just found another 'wide decision' in SuSE 7.2 % % Tried to add a user... like webmaster. Should be an easy thing to do. % % Nope... It es verboten to add a user uhnless it be 2 to 8 chars in length!! % % Dumb... totally dumb. No, neither dumb nor totally dumb. Only recently has support for user names longer than 8 characters developed. As long as you stay within a strictly Linux (and, I believe, a strictly 2.4+ kernel and glibc = 2.1, but I could be mistaken) long user names are fine. But, they are extremely non-portable - if you use NFS and/or NIS (or NIS+) with non-Linux *NIXen systems, long user names may cause problems. Big UIDs, on the other hand, are no problem. % But just go to command line and use YAST instead of the gui YAST2. No % problems, no questions asked. % % Dumb... totally dumb. The GUI tool is behind. BFD. Point-and-click system administration is bad idea, anyway. ;-) Kurt ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sylpheed test
Bruce Marshall offered this little gem o' intolerance: % On Thursday 12 July 2001 22:30, Andrew Mathews wrote: % This is a test. For the next few words the sylpheed email program will % be checking wordwrap and non html settings. If this had been a real % message you would have been notified by extra sensory perception. % Remember, this is only a test. % % - % Andrew Mathews % % This is Kmail testing for intruder emailers. Intruder alert!!! % % PLONK Consider yourself LARTed for having a sig line that exceeds the standard 3 lines, lacks the obligatory -- \n separator, and that includes ASCII art. Kurt ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT linux stuff
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:29, Eddie Arteaga wrote: All of them blew the sound. They see the card, and tweak the configs as I might, it still wouldn't work. I switched my system bios to PnP and non-PnP OS. *IF* you are running an 'as supplied' kernel 2.4.x distro, there is no way an SB16 pnp causes any more havoc than any other sound card. They put the isapnp blues mostly to bed at the 2.4 kernel release. *IF* you run a 2.2.x kernel, you absolutely must run isapnp, pnpdump, edit /etc/isapnp.conf, etc ad boring infinitum. No amount of fiddlng with Bios pnp-aware will help you. If you are having troubles at 2.4.x kernel with sound, it is _not_ a pnp issue, but much more likely to be the lack of alias sound-slot-0 sb in your /etc/modules.conf, or, some genuine irq conflict or lack of resource in the cmos setup. this assumes you really do mean an SB16, not a ESSxx68 something. -- http://linux.nf _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Cross Posting Question
On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:51, Shawn Tayler wrote: Hi Guys, I know that there was alot of commentary on the practice of cross posting between this list and the Caldera list. I have some commentary on my newly compiled rpms for OL 3.1 and KDE 2.1.1, would this be an [snip] Simple rule really. If it's how kde works on col, belongs here, if it's how caldera works with kde, it belongs there. However, if it's an 'original work' ie your sweat and tears, you have every right to multiple post to as wide an audience as you deserve, for whatever reasons you see fit. If it's an un-snipped cut 'n paste of other people's news, dont. Bare in mind, this mailer is *the* SxS entry point. If it's SxS it belongs here. -- http://linux.nf _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Redhat Tux 2.0 blows away all other webservers
On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:11, Glenn Williams wrote: No change, burns. It still looks the same. Are others reporting a strange-looking font? If not, I might need to change my reader config. For me it's an overemphasised arial-black, slightly blurry but readable. I am on kdelibs 2.1.2 message header reports: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" On kmail auto-encoding it uses the JIS character set. If you set your encoding to iso-8859-1 (Western European), it solves this problem, and is a 'good fit' for most email coming in. -- http://linux.nf _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: devfs - scd01 devices
On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:56, Collins Richey wrote: Well, the answer is: devfs has already taken care of this. Will the real cdroms please stand up! /dev/cdroms/cdrom4 - ../scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd /dev/cdroms/cdrom6 - ../scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd I am nowhere near up to speed on this myself, but, some utilities require the old dev/names (not just scd). What I do is extract a tarball via rc.local with my 'extras' in it. This doesn't sit comfortably with me, but is a recommended method, per the devfs howto. Incidentally, following on from David's lead, you *probably* need to modprobe sd_mod modprobe sr_mod (/etc/modules/eg) before defvs will create the full and complete entries. In the case of scsi_mod, the base scsi driver, it sniffs the scsi interface and as a secondary duty builds items you listed above, depending on what it 'finds'. I haven't tested this myself, but suspect that sr_mod will create /dev/sr? entries (for instance). any feedback you have is appreciated. devfs is something we are going to have to come to terms with, the old /dev is dead in the water. -- http://linux.nf _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sylpheed test
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:08:44 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'm completely lost here. I wanted to test sylpheed to see if it had any features I wanted. I created one message to test the word wrap at 72 and no html so as not to offend anyone else. I have no idea why Bruce would want to killfile me because of that. Not like we had a flame war or anything. My sig is the same as I've used for a couple of years now, and is listed in the SxS. Oh well, I try to be courteous and verify I'm not violating the common rules and someone gets their knickers in a twist. Maybe Les Bell wasn't so wrong after all. But before I go, What's a LART? Andrew, I have no idea what a LART is either... nor do I have any idea what the PLONK was all about... must be something in the air today? In any event it would be a shame to see you go as your contributions would surely be missed. -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://linuxsteps.webjump.com/ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sylpheed test
lart.com Andrew, I have no idea what a LART is either... nor do I have any idea what the PLONK was all about... must be something in the air today? In any event it would be a shame to see you go as your contributions would surely be missed. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
