Re: Spam filters:Spambouncer

2001-10-02 Thread Zoki

At 21:37 01/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
I just get a sircam virus sent to my linux box. I guess it is time to set up
a mail filter. I came across the following. Looks easy enuf: Works off
procmail.
The SpamBouncer



*** I'm not sure spambouncer is what you need in your case. Try and have a 
look at procmail sanitizer which does a bit of spam bouncing but especially 
sanitizing of mail messages (checking  the attachments for virus messages)

It's a set of procmail rules - so you could add spambouncer later on if you 
need to. It consists of several files each with their particular function. 
The whole setup is initiated by your /etc/procmailrc file.

You can make the config as complicated as you wish. Once setup you don't 
touch the main files, your own local rules or new procmail sanitizing rules 
go in local-rules.procmail. Once a suspicious file has been detected it 
will go to a mailbox assigned by you as the quarantine, renamed to 
whatever.doc.txt. The sanitizer will automatically mail a preformed message 
(found in security-policy.txt) to the sender and/or its ISP.

The setup will take you anything between 2 hours and half a day depending 
on your motivation. It took me half a day because 1/ I WAS motivated ;-) 
and 2/ it works so well you want to make it the most perfect filtering 
setup in the world ;-)))...

The URL is http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/for the download directory.

The main page is under renovation (?) for the last 6 months and one of 
the pages says the filters haven't been updated for the last 2 years (!)...

This might sound as a bad thing, and it probably is for the average user, 
but it's really not a problem. In fact the sanitizer gives you a nice basis 
to start with and with all the procmail resources available on the Net 
you'll be able to put together something that fits your needs.

I've been running the sanitizer for the last 7 months on my mail server and 
I can confirm it works very well. While McAfee and others where trying to 
figure out what was happening I already got several viruses isolated in my 
quarantine mailbox.

Mail me if you need more info...

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Re: Spam filters:Spambouncer

2001-10-02 Thread Zoki

At 21:37 01/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
I just get a sircam virus sent to my linux box. I guess it is time to set up
a mail filter. I came across the following. Looks easy enuf: Works off
procmail.
The SpamBouncer



snip

The URL is http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/ for the download directory.

The main page is under renovation (?) for the last 6 months and one of 
the pages says the filters haven't been updated for the last 2 years (!)...

snip


*** Mail ver. 2. Changelog: typo in the URL... ;-)

Found another URL for the sanitizer and to my surprise there's an august 
2001 update to it.

http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/procmail-security.html

I'll informe the webmaster about his contradictory pages.

Zoran

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Update on the W3C patent policy issue

2001-10-02 Thread Zoki



*** It seems the pressure from mainly the Linux/Open Source movement have 
been successful. Until now.

The review period has been extended until October 11th, 2001.

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-10-02-002-20-NW-CY-LL

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Re: OT Building a machine on the cheap - MB Info

2001-10-02 Thread burns

On October  1, 2001 11:22 pm, Collins Richey wrote:


 With all those fans, how noisy is the beast?

Well you certainly know when its on.

I've had noisier systems. But, as this is a full tower, it doesn't sit on top 
of the desk anyway. It sits underneath and it really doesn't bother me. YMMV
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Re: bzImage question - now make modules

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

On Monday 01 October 2001 14:58, Tony Alfrey wrote:

 make modules_install:   OK until the very end where I think it runs
 depmod -a.  The list of modules with unresolved symbols looks like

[snip]

Almost for sure (being a caldera derived kernel) the offender is 
/etc/modules.conf.

remove all path statements from the top of that file. eg path[usb]

you can, safely, neuter that file altogether to get a kernel made and add 
back the relevant bits later. Not a recommended procedure but, hell, nothing 
wrong in reducing noise levels first time out.

there is *still* an unresolved issue with depmod -a that requires it to be 
used AFTER you reboot the new kernel. This 'problem' is so endemic that all 
distros i am aware of automatically fire that command out at boot time 
without your help. The ways they do that are sometimes wondrous to behold.

So, if modules are your only problem you will be 'ok' to reboot on a now 
(functionally compiled) kernel. It is quite likely in any case, that because 
this is your first go, you've probably 'missed' selecting / compiling a 
module or two and depmod / modprobe will scream regardless.

The bottom line safety net is to leave an intact kernel 2.4.0 kernel image in 
/boot, ensure lilo does indeed point to it in some way, and, secondly retain 
/lib/modules/2.4.0  Everything else is playtime, and you'll be reasonably 
bomb proof.


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Re: End User FAQ

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

Bruce, when you're good and ready, tell us where you'd like the SxS to put a 
link to this material. Or, we will include it on the site, if that's what you 
want.

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Re: Fonts - XFree 4.1.0 - Apps - Printing

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

On Sunday 30 September 2001 01:44, Collins Richey wrote:
 I'm starting this thread to gather in all the information I can about
 fonts.  I'll be happy to write up a nice SxS for this when you brains

[snip]

we'll replace the current de-uglification section with it when you're done. 
It's getting stale and is version 3 oriented.

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Re: daemons activation in redhat

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

On Thursday 27 September 2001 17:25, Chang wrote:
 In Caldera Openlinux, we have /etc/sysconfig/daemons directory to conrol
 what daemons to be loaded at boot-up. What's the corresponding location
 in redhat?

There is. And there isn't.

Redhat stick to the 'old' convention of using Sxx to start and Kxx to kill a 
service in a given runlevel. (more later)

Caldera do not use Kxx anyything. In fact, all runlevels in Caldera except #2 
are 100% identical, Yes, that includes 5 : the gui, surprise surprise. With 
some extreme minors, even runlevel 2 is identical.

Caldera relies heavily on a well crafted script firing out of 
/etc/rc.d/init.d/functions to work the magic in /etc/sysconfig/everything 
There are some very minor typos in the pcmcia and diald config files but the 
rest is excellent stuff. The work done here was as visionary (at that time) 
as their equally excellent /etc/modules/default way of handling boot time 
kernel modules. 

Regardless of these distro differences the controlling element is /etc/rc. 
You can imagine it is very different in content between the two, because in a 
redhat system, it is used to KILL services ala the Kxx mentioned above. In a 
Caldera system the /etc/sysconfigs you mention are relied on instead (and a 
slightly different /etc/rc/init/pick-a-script)

Having said all that !!! redhat too use /etc/sysconfig, extensively, but not 
in such a uniform or reliant manner. It unfortunately depends on the specific 
'thing' you're trying to control and what the sys-programmer had for 
breakfast on Wednesday.

Had Caldera followed thru with a useable gui, there method may have 
triumphed. As it is now, KDESTART-System-SysV-init is where you need to be.


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Re: Update on the W3C patent policy issue

2001-10-02 Thread Matt . Carpenter


I'm lost.  What exactly does this mean to OSS?


   
 
Zoki   
 
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 Subject: Update on the W3C patent policy 
issue 
   
 


*** It seems the pressure from mainly the Linux/Open Source movement have
been successful. Until now.

The review period has been extended until October 11th, 2001.

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-10-02-002-20-NW-CY-LL

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Re: hey everybody.. we're on lwn!ot

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

On Friday 28 September 2001 13:21, Ian Marchak wrote:
 Shouldn't that read:
  repartee we have, our sense of humor, and in spite of the fact that
  we let Mike Andrew hang out here. ^

I would just like you 'gentlemen' to know that I strongly believe in Groucho 
Marx's saying..

I wouldn't be seen dead in any club that wanted me

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Re: kmail wierdo

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

On Saturday 29 September 2001 09:56, Keith Antoine wrote:
 I have a friend locally, well one at least, who I email stuff to
 occasionally. As of this week an error comes up with

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] user unknown

 This goes into the sentmail box and effectively blocks all mail. So what

I sent a ping to him on your behalf (via Kmail) which I am quite sure he will 
thank me for later, no trouble here Skippy.

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Re: hey everybody.. we're on lwn!ot

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

On Friday 28 September 2001 04:45, Kurt Wall wrote:

 We are *such* studs! ;-)


thpeak for yourthelf


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Re: libranet!

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

On Thursday 27 September 2001 04:25, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:

 If you use a dial-up modem connection, you have to comment out (#) the
 auth and lock entries in /etc/ppp/options.

me being picky Leon. Is there a reason for hashing lock, or is that a typo?

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Re: End User FAQ

2001-10-02 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 10:30 am, Mike Andrew wrote:
 Bruce, when you're good and ready, tell us where you'd like the SxS to put
 a link to this material. Or, we will include it on the site, if that's what
 you want.

My intention is to put it on the site.   Just want to let it 'gel' a bit and 
then go back over it.

Thanks.




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Re: M'soft CD topartners about Competing with Linux

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

On Thursday 27 September 2001 18:10, Zoki wrote:

 Reliability
 Linux is being used for simple tasks such as file/print and static web page
 serving. Microsoft customers are using Windows NT Server for demanding,
 high performance, mission critical applications such as messaging, data
 warehousing, decision support and e-commerce. Less heavily loaded systems
 with less complex software suites have high reliability.

Wow. You mean I get all this high performance, e-commerce, mission critcal 
stuff if I use Windows? Gee, just makes you want to rush out and, and, and,,,

puke

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OT Re: photographs online at last

2001-10-02 Thread Net Llama

Along these same lines, i've got a bunch of photos that I took while in
Montana last week available here:
ftp://ftp.valinux.com/pub/support/lfriedman/misc/

--- Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I got around to finishing the new web site and putting up a series of
 new 
 photographs along with some of the old ones. I would appreciate


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Re: weird problems chapter ???

2001-10-02 Thread Mike Andrew

On Monday 01 October 2001 23:07, Collins Richey wrote:

 Make that 401584K.  Close enough for government work, right?

Bah! What's a zero amongst friends?

---
Collins, my money is on your IDE. Specifically your hard drive, but 
*possibly* your cd. Been there, dun that, had similar symptoms you describe. 
Swapping primary / secondary might give you an answer.


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Re: OT Re: photographs online at last

2001-10-02 Thread Ian Marchak

Quoting Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Along these same lines, i've got a bunch of photos that I took while
 in
 Montana last week available here:
 ftp://ftp.valinux.com/pub/support/lfriedman/misc/
 
 --- Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I got around to finishing the new web site and putting up a series
 of
  new 
  photographs along with some of the old ones. I would appreciate

Keith, when did you make this post? It skipped my mailbox somehow.

What was the address? I like to torture myself with images of beautiful lands I 
may never see. :-(
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Semi-OTFwd: Cyber Attacks During The War On terrorism: A Predictive Analysis

2001-10-02 Thread Douglas J. Hunley



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Subject: Cyber Attacks During The War On terrorism: A Predictive Analysis
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:45:37 -0600
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Cyber Attacks During The War On terrorism: A Predictive Analysis

This report analyzes the possibility of cyber attacks against U.S. and
allied information infrastructures in response to anticipated military
 strikes against terrorists and nation-state sponsors. While many have
 speculated about the possibility for such cyber attacks, this report
 provides a detailed, fact-based assessment of the situation. It examines
 recent trends and precedents and sets out in detail the potential types,
 targets, and sources of cyber attacks that we should be prepared for. It
 also makes concrete recommendations for protective actions

http://www.ists.dartmouth.edu/ISTS/counterterrorism/cyber_a1.pdf

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Re: bzImage question - now make modules

2001-10-02 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 06:57 am,Mike Andrew wrote:
 On Monday 01 October 2001 14:58, Tony Alfrey wrote:
  make modules_install:   OK until the very end where I think it runs
  depmod -a.  The list of modules with unresolved symbols looks
  like

 [snip]

 Almost for sure (being a caldera derived kernel) the offender is
 /etc/modules.conf.
 remove all path statements from the top of that file. eg path[usb]

David Bandel recommended to retain only
path[usb]=/lib/modules/'uname -r'

Shoule I kill that too??


 you can, safely, neuter that file altogether to get a kernel made and
 add back the relevant bits later. 

I'm a little unclear here.  Do you mean wipe out /etc/modules.conf 
during make bzImage and then put it back before make modules?

 Not a recommended procedure but,
 hell, nothing wrong in reducing noise levels first time out.

snip

 So, if modules are your only problem you will be 'ok' to reboot on a
 now (functionally compiled) kernel. 

At this point, I get
Installing kernel . . . . . . . . . . .
Uncompressing Linux . . . . . . . . . 
Invalid compressed format (err=1)

 It is quite likely in any case,
 that because this is your first go, you've probably 'missed'
 selecting / compiling a module or two and depmod / modprobe will
 scream regardless.

I went back and did a very vanilla xconfig with as little stuff as I 
thought I would need.  The list of complaints is now shorter.  depmod 
-a seems (but I'm not yet absolutely sure) to complain about unresoved 
symbols on each module that I selected as a loadable module.

 The bottom line safety net is to leave an intact kernel 2.4.0 kernel
 image in /boot, ensure lilo does indeed point to it in some way, and,
 secondly retain /lib/modules/2.4.0  Everything else is playtime, and
 you'll be reasonably bomb proof.

So far, I have been able to boot the 2.4.0 kernel with no problem after 
the new kernel boot crashes.

This is my script.  It is a synthesis of the various scripts and 
suggestions in the various SxSs.  My new kernel source is in 
/root/testlinux/linux-2.4.4

#!/bin/bash
# bk - script to build a kernel

mv /lib/modules/2.4.0 /lib/modules/old-2.4.0

echo Building a new kernel . . .
cd /root/testlinux/linux-2.4.4

make mrproper
if [ $? -gt 0 ] ; then
echo make mrproper failed
exit 1
fi

make xconfig
es=$?
if [ $es -gt 0 ] ; then
echo make xconfig failed
exit es
fi

make dep
if [ $? -gt 0 ] ; then
echo make dep failed
exit 1
fi

make clean 
if [ $? -gt 0 ] ; then
echo make clean failed
exit 1
fi 

make bzImage 
if [ $? -gt 0 ] ; then
echo make bzImage failed 
exit 1
fi 

make modules
if [ $? -gt 0 ] ; then
echo make modules failed
exit 1
fi 

make modules_install
if [ $? -gt 0 ] ; then
echo make modules_install failed
exit 1
fi

cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.4-modular

cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.4

# Put this back anyway if the script crashes
mv /lib/modules/old-2.4.0 /lib/modules/2.4.0

depmod -a 2.4.4

lilo


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Re: New monitor

2001-10-02 Thread Net Llama


--- Susan Macchia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I have a friend who got a new monitor for her Redhat 7.0 system. 
 Right now
 when she boots, she gets no usable X display.  The new monitor has a
 Compaq
 trinitron p700.  She has modified /etc/X11/XF86config for the refresh
 rate,
 etc.  But still not go.
 
 I searched the SxS for info on this but did not really find anything. 
 Does
 anyone have any ideas what she might need to do (short of reinstalling
 the OS -
 we don't want to have to do that).


We kinda need a bit more info here.  First, what kind of videocard?  You
could prolly run Xconfigurator if this is RH.  Also, what do you mean by
no usable X display?


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Re: New monitor

2001-10-02 Thread Matt . Carpenter


What do you mean by no usable X display?  I have not run into an issue
where changing monitors required an X config change except when going to a
crappy monitor from a good one (if I have 1280x1024 set and the new monitor
only has 800x600 or something like that).


   
 
Susan Macchia  
 
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ia.net  cc:   
 
 Subject: New monitor  
 
   
 


I have a friend who got a new monitor for her Redhat 7.0 system.  Right now
when she boots, she gets no usable X display.  The new monitor has a Compaq
trinitron p700.  She has modified /etc/X11/XF86config for the refresh rate,
etc.  But still not go.



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Re: [loki-announce] A Letter to Our Customers

2001-10-02 Thread Douglas J. Hunley

On Monday 01 October 2001 18:26, Gerry Doris babbled:
 Well, there may be a reason for Loki being in trouble.  I have several of
 their games and for the first time I had a problem with Soldier of Fortune.
 I believe that I should be able to get access to an area and can't.

 Well, I sent a note to support at Loki and received an answer asking for
 more details which I provided.  Nothing has came back.  Over the last few
 weeks I've sent several messages and haven't received any replies at
 allnothing!

 It's a good thing that their games are normally trouble free!

I've always gotten excellent support from their newsgroups... 
news.lokigames.com
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Re: W3C patent policy.

2001-10-02 Thread Lourens Steenkamp

On Mon, 01 Oct 2001 08:38:14 +0200
Hello Zoki from Lourens:

  One of the readers mentioned that RAND in Hindi means prostitute

It also happens to be what our currency is called, h ...

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Re: OT Building a machine on the cheap - MB Info

2001-10-02 Thread Ian Marchak

burns wrote:
 
 On September 30, 2001 11:04 pm, Ian Marchak wrote:
 
 
  I figured as much, I just wondered about the ability to disable them.
  Suggested by Jerry, no drivers no IRQ, were you able to disable the
  built-ins in the BIOS or how?
 
 The board I'm using is the model you inquired about... the ECS K7S5A. I
 disabled unwanted devices easily in the bios settings. I have the manual here
 in front of me if you have any questions. BTW, the  FSB runs at a choice of
 either 200MHz or 266MHZ.
 
 The only negative thing I've heard is that Athalons don't run at flat out
 optimum on early models of this board. There was a slight performance hit
 that, apparently, has been cured by the most recent bios upgrades/flashes.

I read something about this before...I was kinda hesitant until I saw
someone claiming it was fixed by BIOS v.whatever.

  I've posed these questions to the vendor I am speaking with, and it's
  not that I don't trust the guy, but it's nice to hear these things from
  impartial 3rd parties.
 
 Be aware that Athalons run hot. And the Athalon Thunderbirds are reputed to
 run VERY hot. However, I have a great case
 (http://www.antec-inc.com/product/cases/sohoser.html). I chose the black
 model for sex appeal (I'm getting sick of beige). The key lockable front door
 hides the inevitable beige add-in components (CD, floppy, etc.). I added an
 additional 3 in. toe fan at the bottom. It came with dual 3 in. exhaust fans

Hmmm, interesting, I am looking at the SX840...I don't see myself
needing the space a full tower would give me...but great minds must
think alike.  I like the fact that adding fans on the front is a snap in
upgrade, if I need them.

 in the back. I also use a Thermal Take Copper Orb heatsink  fan
 (http://www.thermaltake.com/du0462-9.htm). As a result I never exceed 40C.

I actually was looking at this one, or a similar one by them (found it
through reviews), but when my vendor heard I wanted a 1.4 GHz, he
recommended a different one by Coolermaster, that supposedly offers
slightly better cooling (3-4 degrees, but it was only about 5 bucks
more).  I made sure that whatever it was, it had been approved by AMD.

 I departed from the norm (for me) and decided I was tired of faffing about
 with dual booting. I still need Windows/MS Office occaisionally when a
 contract specifies Excel or Word deliverables. So, I laid down some extra
 dosh on a couple of removable hard drive frames and cases. I have two 13Gb
 Quatum drives, so I can just switch the drives and reboot without making any
 changes in the bios.

I've know about these for some time now, but only just recently have I
been exposed to them at school.  I am in a UNIX admin course as part of
a certification, and we use these so each student can have his/her own
installs of Solaris (which I've not dealt with before) and (ugh) Redhat.

They definitely seem like a very attractive option, and not too
expensive either.  Do you have a server somewhere to leave files for
Linux when you are in WinX and vice versa?  Or can you have a HD that
stays in the machine all the time?

 BTW, I definitely re commend investing in DDRAM. With a 266MHz FSB, it's
 definitely worth it and prices are a bargain right now.

DDRAM from the get go.

Thanks for this, you just confirmed at least one person's good
experience with many of the bits and pieces that my machine will be made
of.  I saw you discussing your case and noise levels...I am surprised
though, I was blown away with how quiet these cases are. Antec power
supplies and fans were very quiet in my previous exposures to them.

Burns, thanks again, like I said, it's nice to hear it from a 3rd party.
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Re: Barbie.com and KDE 2.1.2

2001-10-02 Thread rickf

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 When my girls try to visit Barbie.com using Konq the screen won't load.  Is
 this a windows site?  They don't have any problems accessing the site in
 windows (using ie or netscape).  Is there anything I can do to get it to
 load - plugins, settings?

Don't know about Kong, but barbi.com isn't a windows-only site.  I just
checked by going there using nutscrape under Solaris 7 on an UltraSparc 30
here.  Hadn't realised it was there, though I should have.  This will make my
8 yr old daughter quite happe.

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Re: Barbie.com and KDE 2.1.2

2001-10-02 Thread Net Llama

Works just fine under Mozilla in Linux as well.  I'd say its KDE
crapping out on you.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
  When my girls try to visit Barbie.com using Konq the screen won't
 load.  Is
  this a windows site?  They don't have any problems accessing the
 site in
  windows (using ie or netscape).  Is there anything I can do to get
 it to
  load - plugins, settings?
 
 Don't know about Kong, but barbi.com isn't a windows-only site.  I
 just
 checked by going there using nutscrape under Solaris 7 on an
 UltraSparc 30
 here.  Hadn't realised it was there, though I should have.  This will
 make my
 8 yr old daughter quite happe.



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Re: Barbie.com and KDE 2.1.2

2001-10-02 Thread Glenn Williams

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 16:02, you wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  When my girls try to visit Barbie.com using Konq the screen won't
  load.  Is this a windows site?  They don't have any problems
  accessing the site in windows (using ie or netscape).  Is there
  anything I can do to get it to load - plugins, settings?

 Don't know about Kong, but barbi.com isn't a windows-only site.  I
 just checked by going there using nutscrape under Solaris 7 on an
 UltraSparc 30 here.  Hadn't realised it was there, though I should
 have.  This will make my 8 yr old daughter quite happe.

 rickf

Hi, Rick:

I just navigated to the Barbie web site - www.barbie.com - and it plays 
like a Wurlitzer (including sound) for me.  I am using Konqueror as my 
browser, and SuSE 7.2 Pro on a P3 - 450 Mhz machine w/ 256M of RAM.  
The KDE version is 2.1.2

HTH

Regards,

Glenn

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Re: Barbie.com and KDE 2.1.2

2001-10-02 Thread Ken Moffat

Looks like it requires Flash or Shockwave.

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:11:33 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When my girls try to visit Barbie.com using Konq the screen won't load. 

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Re: OT Re: photographs online at last

2001-10-02 Thread Keith Antoine

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 02:12, you whispered in my pinkie:

Arrg!! Hell just as well you got it late, I closed off the damd cable modem 
without thinking and went to bed, no one could get in, GERIATRIC was right.


 Keith, when did you make this post? It skipped my mailbox somehow.

 What was the address? I like to torture myself with images of beautiful
 lands I may never see. :-(

You never really know, mate what fortune may have in store for you.

URL's.
This one is up now: this is on my workstation; up and down but faster
http://203.45.132.17/index.htm

Otherwise this one in about 4 hrs time: this is on the remote server full time
http://www.eastwind.com.au/photos

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Re: Fonts - XFree 4.1.0 - Apps - Printing

2001-10-02 Thread Collins Richey

On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 05:42:55 -0500 Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 08:14:01 -0600  Collins Richey wrote:
  I'm starting this thread to gather in all the information I can
 about
  fonts.  I'll be happy to write up a nice SxS for this when you
 brains
  out there have provided enough comments for this to make sense for
 my
  feeble brain.  I'll throw out a few questions.  Feel free to ask
 the
  other questions I haven't thought about.
  
  * There used to be howto's that said a font manager daemon was
  necessary; then other howto's said, no that was now built into X;
 now
  I see font manager daemons being rcommended again.  What's the
 scoop?
  
  * There's also the whole discussion about aa fonts.
  
  * I have the FreeTypes package installed and X4.1.0.  How do I get
  these to work and be available for all my apps?
  
  * Are there any special considerations for various apss - Kword -
  Konqueror - Netscape - Abiword - etc.?
  
  * Does anything special need to be done to use fonts for printing.
  I
  use cups.  Any special considerations for this or for other
 printing
  control systems?
 
 When I installed eW3.1, I also had to install GD::Graph for perl,
 which
 meant I had to install GD for perl, which required gd, which
 required
 ttf and freetype. Whew!
 
 It was kinda ugly when I tried to compile everything, but when I
 grabbed
 the rpms, it went much smoother.
 
 I used  :
 ttf-0.1-1col.noarch.rpm
 freetype2-2.0.1-3 rpm
 freetype2-devel-2.0.1-3 rpm
 gd-1.83-2 rpm
 
 in that order.
 
 One thing I haven't quite scoped out yet is where to get and how to
 install
 new truetype fonts to really take advantage of all this effort.
 
 In terms of font servers, I have both RH 7.1 and eW 3.1, and they
 are set up
 completely differently. Here are the relevant parts of the
 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
 file :
 
 RH 7.1
 
 # By default, Red Hat Linux 6.0 and later use xfs
 
 Section Files
   FontPath unix/:7100
 EndSection
 
 # Module loading section
 
 Section Module
   Load  dbe # Double-buffering
   Load  GLcore  # OpenGL support
   Load  dri # Direct rendering infrastructure
   Load  glx # OpenGL X protocol interface
   Load  extmod  # Misc. required extensions
   Load  v4l # Video4Linux
   # You only need the following two modules if you do not use xfs.
   # Load  freetype   # TrueType font handler
   # Load  type1 # Adobe Type 1 font handler
 EndSection
 
 
 and here is the Caldera entry :
 
 Section Files
 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled
 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled
 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled
 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo
 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
 FontPath/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi
 FontPath/usr/share/ghostscript/5.50/fonts
 FontPath/usr/share/fonts/ttf
 EndSection
 
 # Module loading section
 
 Section Module
 Load  dbe # Double-buffering
 Load  GLcore  # OpenGL support
 Load  dri # Direct rendering infrastructure
 Load  glx # OpenGL X protocol interface
 Load  extmod  # Misc. required extensions
 Load  v4l # Video4Linux
 # You only need the following two modules if you do not use
 xfs.
 Load  freetype # TrueType font handler
 Load  type1   # Adobe Type 1 font handler
 EndSection
 --
 
 So Redhat uses the x font server, (xfs), Caldera does not.
 -- 

If you have a Windows distribution of any sort, you can copy over the
/windows/fonts/*.ttf.  Also, if you have any of the millions of nnn
fonts cds for windows, you can look for the *.ttf files and copy them
over.  Then you run run ttmkfidr  fonts.dir in that directory, update
your XF86Config-4, and restart X.  Kword can use the fonts directly,
but I haven't figured out Abiword or anything else.

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Re: Barbie.com and KDE 2.1.2

2001-10-02 Thread Keith Antoine

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:11, you whispered in my pinkie:
 When my girls try to visit Barbie.com using Konq the screen won't load.  Is
 this a windows site?  They don't have any problems accessing the site in
 windows (using ie or netscape).  Is there anything I can do to get it to
 load - plugins, settings?

 Mark

Ok there are a few things that can do that.
#1 Which version of kde are you using 2.2+. The old Konky was sus.

#2 Have you been into Konky and set it up to receive JAVA ?? Java is set by 
default to OFF. Why the hell it is; your guess. 
settings- configure konqueror - konqueror browser 
Java Tag (enable globally, Java script tag (enable globally)

#3 Then there is the fact that you have not purchased and waved the Keith 
Antoine 'magic wand' over the keyboard and box, this fixes things for good.
No money back guarantee though...Mind you the screen only sees 
things upside down after this.
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Re: OT photographs online at last

2001-10-02 Thread Douglas J. Hunley

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 20:10, Keith Antoine babbled:

 URL's.
 This one is up now: this is on my workstation; up and down but faster
 http://203.45.132.17/index.htm

that giant slurping sound coming from your cable modem is me ;)
nice pics!

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Re: OT photographs online at last

2001-10-02 Thread Keith Antoine

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:32, you whispered in my pinkie:
 On Tuesday 02 October 2001 20:10, Keith Antoine babbled:
  URL's.
  This one is up now: this is on my workstation; up and down but faster
  http://203.45.132.17/index.htm

 that giant slurping sound coming from your cable modem is me ;)
 nice pics!

Shee**! Thats a long bloody straw. Are they any good grin The pics I mean.

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OT New Grandson

2001-10-02 Thread Rick Sivernell

Lisyt

  wll I have been hard at work here slaving over this  that, BUT Sunday 
afternoon, it all came to a head. My second grandson was born, he is also my 
third grandchild. We are a strutten like a Peacock here. If you would like to 
see a couple 0of pictures of this little guy, soon to be a Linux user as his 
dad is, go to this url:
http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/s/sandoval/

Cheers and Virtual Cigars for all, heck make them Virtual Cuban Cigars, Enjoy


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Re: OT photographs online at last

2001-10-02 Thread Kurt Wall

Keith Antoine wrote:
% On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:32, you whispered in my pinkie:
%  On Tuesday 02 October 2001 20:10, Keith Antoine babbled:
%   URL's.
%   This one is up now: this is on my workstation; up and down but faster
%   http://203.45.132.17/index.htm
% 
%  that giant slurping sound coming from your cable modem is me ;)
%  nice pics!
% 
% Shee**! Thats a long bloody straw. Are they any good grin The pics I mean.

There are several jokes of dubious propriety that I steadfastly refuse
to insert here.  Must...exercise...restraint...

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Re: OT New Grandson

2001-10-02 Thread Keith Antoine

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:15, you whispered in my pinkie:
 Lisyt

   wll I have been hard at work here slaving over this  that, BUT Sunday
 afternoon, it all came to a head. My second grandson was born, he is also
 my third grandchild. We are a strutten like a Peacock here. If you would
 like to see a couple 0of pictures of this little guy, soon to be a Linux
 user as his dad is, go to this url:
 http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/s/sandoval/

 Cheers and Virtual Cigars for all, heck make them Virtual Cuban Cigars,
 Enjoy

Congratulations to the parents, I am very glad to say that he does not look 
anything like you. 

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Re: Barbie.com and KDE 2.1.2

2001-10-02 Thread burns

On October  2, 2001 05:11 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When my girls try to visit Barbie.com using Konq the screen won't load.  Is
 this a windows site?  They don't have any problems accessing the site in
 windows (using ie or netscape).  Is there anything I can do to get it to
 load - plugins, settings?

Works just fine on Konqueror 2.1.1

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Re: hey everybody.. we're on lwn!ot

2001-10-02 Thread burns

On October  2, 2001 10:43 am, Mike Andrew wrote:


 I would just like you 'gentlemen' to know that I strongly believe in
 Groucho Marx's saying..

B***dy Hell. I didn't know you were a Marxist!
(It's those Norfolk Islanders, at it again)
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Re: OT New Grandson

2001-10-02 Thread Bill Day

Congrats...  as for that Cuban Cigar thing... may not be long and we'll be 
able to have the real things(Cuban Cigars that is..) again

Again congrats on the great grand boy

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 20:15, you blurted out:
=- Lisyt
=-
=-   wll I have been hard at work here slaving over this  that, BUT Sunday
=- afternoon, it all came to a head. My second grandson was born, he is also
 my =- third grandchild. We are a strutten like a Peacock here. If you would
 like to =- see a couple 0of pictures of this little guy, soon to be a Linux
 user as his =- dad is, go to this url:
=- http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/s/sandoval/
=-
=- Cheers and Virtual Cigars for all, heck make them Virtual Cuban Cigars,
 Enjoy =-
=-

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Re: OT photographs online at last

2001-10-02 Thread burns

On October  2, 2001 09:56 pm, Keith Antoine wrote:
 On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:36, you whispered in my pinkie:
  %  that giant slurping sound coming from your cable modem is me ;)
  %  nice pics!
  %
  % Shee**! Thats a long bloody straw. Are they any good grin The pics I
  mean.
 
  There are several jokes of dubious propriety that I steadfastly refuse
  to insert here.  Must...exercise...restraint...

Horse cobblers! Now's a fine time to get all discrete, after subjecting us 
all these years to your Crystall Balls, Magic Wands and (beyond all else) the 
infamous thong thing!  :oP grin

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Re: OT New Grandson

2001-10-02 Thread burns

On October  2, 2001 09:15 pm, Rick Sivernell wrote:
 Lisyt

   wll I have been hard at work here slaving over this  that, BUT Sunday
 afternoon, it all came to a head. My second grandson was born, he is also
 my third grandchild. We are a strutten like a Peacock here. If you would
 like to see a couple 0of pictures of this little guy, soon to be a Linux
 user as his dad is, go to this url:
 http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/s/sandoval/


A cute little cuss indeed. Congrats Gramps.

BTW, I hate to say this, but I think he may be a Windows user. He's holding 
up his three fingers, poised to invoke the Microsoft kernel management 
tool... 'control-alt-delete'

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Re: New monitor

2001-10-02 Thread burns

On October  2, 2001 01:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What do you mean by no usable X display?  I have not run into an issue
 where changing monitors required an X config change except when going to a
 crappy monitor from a good one (if I have 1280x1024 set and the new monitor
 only has 800x600 or something like that).


If the frequency ranges and mode settings for the displays defined in your 
/etc/X11/XF86Config file do not match those of your new monitor, then you 
will have to reset the X server parameters in that file from run level 3. 

However, going from one common/generic monitor to another of the same size 
and general specs (as you point out) probably will not necessitate a change.

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Re: OT Building a machine on the cheap - MB Info

2001-10-02 Thread burns

On October  2, 2001 05:58 pm, Ian Marchak wrote:

 Hmmm, interesting, I am looking at the SX840...I don't see myself
 needing the space a full tower would give me...but great minds must
 think alike.  I like the fact that adding fans on the front is a snap in
 upgrade, if I need them.

Yep. And in the tower the two internal bays in the bottom for hard drives, 
etc. can be removed as a single piece. You can have 3 drives in each (as an 
example) and you don't have to fuss about with it down on the floor. Just 
disconnect the cables on the back, flip a locking lever, and the whole works 
slides out in one piece.


 I actually was looking at this one, or a similar one by them (found it
 through reviews), but when my vendor heard I wanted a 1.4 GHz, he
 recommended a different one by Coolermaster, that supposedly offers
 slightly better cooling (3-4 degrees, but it was only about 5 bucks
 more).  I made sure that whatever it was, it had been approved by AMD.

Each to his own, but check the specs first - your dealer may be influenced by 
other things.  The two main CoolerMaster coolers for this CPU produce an 
airflow of 21.16 and 17.3 cfm and a noise of 34.5 dB(A). The ThermalTake 
Copper Orb is rated at 23.1 cfm and a noise level of only 29 dB(A).

discussing removable hard drives
 They definitely seem like a very attractive option, and not too
 expensive either.  Do you have a server somewhere to leave files for
 Linux when you are in WinX and vice versa?  Or can you have a HD that
 stays in the machine all the time?

I also have two other drives on the system... one ext2 and the other fat32. 
These are permanently fitted and I can access both in Linux.


 Burns, thanks again, like I said, it's nice to hear it from a 3rd party.

Glad to help, Ian. :o)
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gnome 1.4(or latest stable) on eDesktop2.4

2001-10-02 Thread Bill Day

Well, wanna take a plunge and check out gnome, seen it once long ago on like
redhat 5 or something and considering it a go around now(supposedly alot
better than it was).

However I dont want to be logging out of one gui(kde2.1.1) to log into
another(gnome).

I rember seeing in the linux.nf SxS where you could run another desktop
simultaneously on  another tty where currently kde2.1.1 is running on C^ ALT
F8 .  that would be my wish..

Anyone running eDesktop 2.4(stock kernel btw 2.2.14) run gnome .. fi so which
version..?

TIA(btw forwarding this to linuxnf list as well..)

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Re: gnome 1.4(or latest stable) on eDesktop2.4

2001-10-02 Thread Richard Thompson

Yeah, Bill ... I'm running Ximian Gnome on a more or less stock eD2.4 install,
or at least it was a stock install when I started my Gnome experiments.  I used
the Ximian install for RedHat 6.x.  Issues were that the bug reporting scheme
and the upgrade scheme had to be heavily messed with to work with Caldera, and
I never did get it to work *quite-right* before I gave up and moved on.  Ximian
produced a Caldera specific install, but quit doing so right around the
time the single seat license policy was announced.  No answer from Ximian as to
THEIR reason for cancelling the package - this was just my observation.

Actually, I've stripped a lot of stuff out of Gnome (Nautilus, Bug Buddy, that
particular version of Mozilla, etc.) and now run the Gnome apps I like under
IceWM.  Works dandy - Gnome, KDE (1.x for now) and X11 apps all seem to coexist
quite nicely and IceWM has a low enough memory overhead that it even seems to
work with these apps faster than in their native ground.  YMMV.

- Rich Thompson

On Tue, 02 Oct 2001, Bill Day wrote:
 Well, wanna take a plunge and check out gnome, seen it once long ago on like
 redhat 5 or something and considering it a go around now(supposedly alot
 better than it was).
 
 However I dont want to be logging out of one gui(kde2.1.1) to log into
 another(gnome).
 
 I rember seeing in the linux.nf SxS where you could run another desktop
 simultaneously on  another tty where currently kde2.1.1 is running on C^ ALT
 F8 .  that would be my wish..
 
 Anyone running eDesktop 2.4(stock kernel btw 2.2.14) run gnome .. fi so which
 version..?
 
 TIA(btw forwarding this to linuxnf list as well..)
 
 l8r
 
 
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Re: Barbie.com and KDE 2.1.2

2001-10-02 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 02:11 pm,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When my girls try to visit Barbie.com using Konq the screen won't
 load.  Is this a windows site?  They don't have any problems
 accessing the site in windows (using ie or netscape).  Is there
 anything I can do to get it to load - plugins, settings?

 Mark

Hah!  At my end, Netscape crashes and Konq works on KDE 2.2 !   But it 
says that 
You need to download Flash and/or Shockwave to play with this 
activity.  You'll need a grown-up to help you  
Perhaps that's your problem ; - )  It certainly is at my end g
Needless to say, it doesn't give you a Linux selection button to press, 
just a PC, AOL or a Mac.
But everything else seems to work, especially the pages where you buy 
stuff.


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Re: OT New Grandson

2001-10-02 Thread Myles Green

At 10:23 PM 02/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:
On October  2, 2001 09:15 pm, Rick Sivernell wrote:
  Lisyt
 
wll I have been hard at work here slaving over this  that, BUT Sunday
  afternoon, it all came to a head. My second grandson was born, he is also
  my third grandchild. We are a strutten like a Peacock here. If you would
  like to see a couple 0of pictures of this little guy, soon to be a Linux
  user as his dad is, go to this url:
  http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/s/sandoval/
 

A cute little cuss indeed. Congrats Gramps.

BTW, I hate to say this, but I think he may be a Windows user. He's holding
up his three fingers, poised to invoke the Microsoft kernel management
tool... 'control-alt-delete'

BWAAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks... now I have to clean my keyboard and get the coffee outta my 
sinuses ;-)


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Re: OT New Grandson

2001-10-02 Thread Kurt Wall

Rick Sivernell wrote:
% Lisyt
% 
%   wll I have been hard at work here slaving over this  that, BUT Sunday 
% afternoon, it all came to a head. My second grandson was born, he is also my 
% third grandchild. We are a strutten like a Peacock here. If you would like to 
% see a couple 0of pictures of this little guy, soon to be a Linux user as his 
% dad is, go to this url:
% http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/s/sandoval/
% 
% Cheers and Virtual Cigars for all, heck make them Virtual Cuban Cigars, Enjoy

[puff, puff] Congratulations, gramps. ;-)

Kurt
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the proper order then why can't he?
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Re: OT New Grandson

2001-10-02 Thread stayler

Congradulations on the new addition!!

stayler

On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:19:47 -0500, Bill Day wrote:

Congrats...  as for that Cuban Cigar thing... may not be long and we'll be 
able to have the real things(Cuban Cigars that is..) again

Again congrats on the great grand boy

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 20:15, you blurted out:
=- Lisyt
=-
=-   wll I have been hard at work here slaving over this  that, BUT Sunday
=- afternoon, it all came to a head. My second grandson was born, he is also
 my =- third grandchild. We are a strutten like a Peacock here. If you would
 like to =- see a couple 0of pictures of this little guy, soon to be a Linux
 user as his =- dad is, go to this url:

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