download sites

2002-02-01 Thread Keith Antoine

Anyone got an address other than the Caldera site that i can d/l the 3.3.1 
isos from ??
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Re: Mandrake 8.1 and X

2002-02-01 Thread Cidadão Dorense

Hi all!

Peter was right. I found the 1152 resolution under
Expert Mode. Something that bothers me still is the
fact that I wasn't able to get the same refresh rates
as in Windows (my monitor OSD shows the horizontal
sync and refresh being used) for that resolution. Any
ideas?

Thanks,
C.

 --- Cidadão Dorense [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
 Thanks Peter!
 
 I'll try the Expert Mode tonight.
 BTW, I wasn't presented with a choice of X3 or X4 at
 install time, so I hope it is X4...
 
 Regards,
 Cid.
 
  --- Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 escreveu:
  On Wednesday 30 Jan 2002 13:07, Cidadão Dorense
  wrote:
   Hi all.
  
   I'm currently running Mdk 8.1 in a Dell machine
  with a
   ATI (MACH 64) video card and a P990 Monitor. Mdk
  upon
   istallation doesn't present me with an 1152x864
   resolution option; it jumps from 1024x768 to
   1280x1024.
  
  It will probably offer 1152x864 if you click
 Expert
  Mode and then Show 
  All in Mandrake Control Centre.
  
  
   The 1152 option is the best resolution for me,
  since
   the 1280 one flickers a little bit. I used 1152
  for a
   long time in Caldera OL.
  
   Well, observing the list I got to know the
 XFree86
   -configure option and tryied that as root,
 saving
  the
   file to /root/XF86Config. Then, I tryied XFree86
   -xf86configfile /root/XF86Config and it brought
 up
  X
   in the desired resolution, although no Window
  Manager
   came up, just raw X.
  
  Save your working XF86Config or XF86Config-4 to
  *.save and keep them in 
  /etc/X11.
  
   Then, if I reboot, it doesn't go in runlevel 5
   anymore, the logs telling that /root/XF86Config
   contain errors (??). How did the default boot
 got
   pointed to /root/XF86Config if I only tested it
  with
   the -xf86configfile option?
  
   Also, the Mandrake generated XF86Config file
  contain
   modelines for the monitor; since X release 4+
  doesn't
   require that, I tryied to remove those lines but
  it
   complains. And in /etc/X11 there are XF86Config
  and
   XF86Config-4 files. Caldera used the -4 file,
  where
   Mdk seems to be using the one without the
 -4...
  This
   is a lot disturbing.
  
  If you're using XFree3 Mandrake will use
  /etc/X11/XF86Config.
  If you're using XFree4 Mandrake will use
  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
  
   Can anyone help?
  
   Thanks,
   Cid.
  
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continuing xscreensaver goofiness

2002-02-01 Thread dep

morning!

i've had another little screen/keyboard/mouse lock while running 
xscreensaver-4.0 with direct rendering enabled. i've encountered this 
kind of thing before, when the extrusion hack would break things. at 
least it was kind enough to leave its locked image on the screen, so 
i could readily disable it.

problem now is that the screen is blank when the thing dies (machine 
continues to operate perfectly well, and it does not seem to have 
anything to do with the daily crom run, as we had suspected, in that 
this time it happened several hours after the cron run), it leaves 
the screen blank.

so the next guess is that it's a particular module.

there are no errors in any logfiles i can find. so now i need to come 
up with a way to log the activity of xscreensaver itself, as it 
cycles through the modules. nothing i've tried works.

ideas?

i tried to email jamie directly about this, but the mail doesn't get 
accepted on the other end, probably because i'm doing the 
drippingwithirony smtp here, but incoming is hosted elsewhere.

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XFCE JOY

2002-02-01 Thread Rick Sivernell

Lonnie  others

   I am posting this email from a xfce full logged in session, How great it is.
system seems to operate faster than kde2, I like it. Lonnie and others thanks 
for your help. I am however emperressed here, when I put the xfce cmd in the 
login under the control center, I just put xfce and all my problems started, I
have learned the errors of my ways, now it is startxfce which loads the xfwm.
slap slap g

Has anyone else been able to ftp to caldera?

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xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Rick Sivernell

List

In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.

cheers

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Linux StepByStep monthly updates

2002-02-01 Thread Douglas J Hunley

It's been a fairly busy month at Linux StepByStep again. We've put up the 
following additions to the stie:
28th
FTP - Servers - ProFTPD (Chang)
-

25th
Bind 9 - clarifications on the secret key needed for rndc (Douglas Hunley)
-

21st
FREEBSD (Added to Left Menu)
FREEBSD - Intro to FreeBSD (C.Richey)
-

20th
WARNING - Proper French Translation (Patrick)
-

18th
Timekeeping - Automatic Sync (Added 'netdate' option c/o K. Cullis)
-

17th
Bedtime Reading - Partitions (proper German by Hermann-Josef)
Distros - Reviews - Redmond (update)
-

16th
Bedtime Reading - IDE cd burners (revised)
Programming - kbhit() example (revised) (Anders Brander / Mike A)
Added [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and newsgroup for BSD discussion (Doug
Hunley)
-

12th
KDE2-Soundbug (Mike Andrew)

Bedtime Reading- CD Burners (Mike Andrew)
CD BURNERS - Bedtime Reading
-

4th
Added new bios of the Editors (Front Page-Snapshots) (Doug Hunley)
Moved all mirror-related content to new mirror subdir (Doug Hunley)
Bind/DNS- major re-org/cleanup. new security additions, and rdnc info (Doug
Hunley)
PALMPILOT-GUI INTERFACES (Susan/Alan) moved
PALMPILOT-PROGRAMMING-Rapid Development Tool Install
-EMULATOR
-SDK
-PILRC
-PRCTOOLS
-Putting it all together
-

3rd
Moved copyright and privacy notice to new legal directory (Doug Hunley)
Proper German for print filters (Klaus-Peter)
Moved bio and images to new bio subdir (Doug Hunley)
Proper French for all front page frames (patrick kapturkiewicz)
VIDEO - AVI + DIVX - Mplayer (Net Llama!)
VIDEO - AVI + DIVX - Avifile (moved (Net Llama!)
-

2nd
Upgrade - Compiling and Installing GLib and GTK+ (Kurt Wall)
Bind 9 - updates to handle the /var/run permissions issue (Doug Hunley)
KDE - Getting Rid of KDE1 (Bill's way) Bill Day
FTP-Server (ammended) Linuxism
PALMPILOT-(susan/alan) Bedtime Reading-Print Filters (Joel Hammer)
Bedtime Reading-Hardware driver API's and technical breifs (Mike Andrew)
---CDROM Kernel API
---CDROM Example C Code driver
---IEEE1284 Parallel Interface
LS120 Parallel Interface protocol
ZIP Parrallel Interface protocols
usb-general- change of url to linux-usb.org
-

1st
Bedtime Reading - BASH Startup Process Scripts (Chris Kassopulo)

We also had a lot of happening on the mailing lists.
We added a bsd-users mailing list this month to coincide withour new BSD 
content.
the linux-users list is up to 152 members, and generated 1937 messages for 
the month of January!

As usual, the website continued to grow in popularity and traffic:
Total Hits for the month: 249126
Average Hits per Day: 1255
Average Hits per Hour: 334
Average Hits per Day: 8036

Top 5 Referrers for the month are:
Google
Yahoo!
www.idir.net
www.redmondlinux.org
Linmodems.org

(LWN, DistroWatch, Caldera, Redat, and KDE.com also showed strongly in the 
Referrer catagory)

Top 5 Search  Items:
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ppoe
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Top 5 Visiting TLDs:
.COM
.NET
.CA
.EDU
.AU

Full details of the web traffic is available at 
http://linux.nf/www/usage_200201.html

January also showed a marked increase in traffic on our news server 
(news.linux.nf)
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Re: continuing xscreensaver goofiness

2002-02-01 Thread Net Llama

--- dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 morning!
 
 i've had another little screen/keyboard/mouse lock while running 
 xscreensaver-4.0 with direct rendering enabled. i've encountered this 
 kind of thing before, when the extrusion hack would break things. at 
 least it was kind enough to leave its locked image on the screen, so 
 i could readily disable it.
 
 problem now is that the screen is blank when the thing dies (machine 
 continues to operate perfectly well, and it does not seem to have 
 anything to do with the daily crom run, as we had suspected, in that 
 this time it happened several hours after the cron run), it leaves 
 the screen blank.
 
 so the next guess is that it's a particular module.
 
 there are no errors in any logfiles i can find. so now i need to come 
 up with a way to log the activity of xscreensaver itself, as it 
 cycles through the modules. nothing i've tried works.
 
 ideas?
 
 i tried to email jamie directly about this, but the mail doesn't get 
 accepted on the other end, probably because i'm doing the 
 drippingwithirony smtp here, but incoming is hosted elsewhere.

I too, have noticed that my box occasionally locks up when Xscreensaver
is chugging away.  I've tried to find a pattern, or something getting
logged, but there is nothing.  Let me know if you make any headway.

=

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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Net Llama

--- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 List
 
 In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
 would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.

AFAIK, you can't place icons on the desktop, only in the control panel
bar thingy.  
You can customize the mouse generated menu (left mouse button click) to
include whatever you want in it.

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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Rick Sivernell

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:22:38 -0800 (PST)
Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  List
  
  In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
  would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.
 
 AFAIK, you can't place icons on the desktop, only in the control panel
 bar thingy.  
 You can customize the mouse generated menu (left mouse button click) to
 include whatever you want in it.
 
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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Tim Wunder

Previously, Net Llama chose to write:
 --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  List
 
  In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
  would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.

 AFAIK, you can't place icons on the desktop, only in the control panel
 bar thingy.
 You can customize the mouse generated menu (left mouse button click) to
 include whatever you want in it.


You can iconify apps, which places them on the desktop as an icon, but there 
still open and running, I think. Probly not what he wants...

Tim

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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Chris Kassopulo

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:43 -0600
Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 List
 
 In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
 would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.
 
 cheers
 
 -- 
 Rick Sivernell

ROX-filer is a good addition to XFce for desktop icons, etc.
There was some chat a while back on the XFce list about
incorporating it into to XFce, but haven't seen it mentioned
lately.

http://rox.sourceforge.net/rox_filer.php3

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Re: download sites

2002-02-01 Thread Jim Conner

Doubtful, these ISO files are dated 07-17-2001.  Seems like OL 3.1.1 hasn't 
propogated to the mirrors yet.  I'll wait.

Jim

On Friday, February 01, 2002 12:47, Matthew Carpenter wrote:
 I have heard that you can d/l the 3.1.1 ISO's from:

 ftp://ftp.linuxberg.com/pub/ISO/Caldera/OpenLinux3.1/

 On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:33:59 -0500

 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anyone got an address other than the Caldera site that i can d/l the
  3.3.1 isos from ??
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TEST - Please ignore

2002-02-01 Thread Mel Roman

Please ignore this message.  I just testing my new news reader.

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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Rick Sivernell

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:31:04 +
Chris Kassopulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:43 -0600
 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  List
  
  In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
  would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.
  
  cheers
  
  -- 
  Rick Sivernell
 
 ROX-filer is a good addition to XFce for desktop icons, etc.
 There was some chat a while back on the XFce list about
 incorporating it into to XFce, but haven't seen it mentioned
 lately.
 
 http://rox.sourceforge.net/rox_filer.php3
 
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  Thanks I have now dl it and another req src-rpm. I will need to buld this later

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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Anita Lewis

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:43 -0600, Rick Sivernell wrote:
 List
 
 In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
 would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.
 
 cheers
 

I used to run xfce and I had kde installed as well.  I just started kfm up
when X started.  I put 'kfm ' in .Xclients.  That put the icons that are in
~/Desktop on my desktop.  I no longer use xfce and don't have kde installed
either, but I'm pretty sure that is what I did.

Anita

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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Anita Lewis

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:01:50 + (UTC), Anita Lewis wrote:
 On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:43 -0600, Rick Sivernell wrote:
 List
 
 In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
 would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.
 
 cheers
 
 
 I used to run xfce and I had kde installed as well.  I just started kfm up
 when X started.  I put 'kfm ' in .Xclients.  That put the icons that are in
 ~/Desktop on my desktop.  I no longer use xfce and don't have kde installed
 either, but I'm pretty sure that is what I did.
 
 Anita
 
I just had to check this out.  I have Gnome installed and am using
icewm-gnome.  So I tried putting gmc in .Xclients.  Then I remembered that
I'm now using .xsession for that kind of thing; so I put it in .xsession. 
Then I just had to drag and drop to place some icons.  After that I had to
find out where they are stored, because ~/Desktop seems to be just for KDE. 
I found them in ~/.gnome-desktop/  So now I have icons again - well at least
folder icons at this point.  


Anita
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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Rick Sivernell

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:14:51 + (UTC)
Anita Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:01:50 + (UTC), Anita Lewis wrote:
  On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:43 -0600, Rick Sivernell wrote:
  List
  
  In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
  would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.
  
  cheers
  
  
  I used to run xfce and I had kde installed as well.  I just started kfm up
  when X started.  I put 'kfm ' in .Xclients.  That put the icons that are in
  ~/Desktop on my desktop.  I no longer use xfce and don't have kde installed
  either, but I'm pretty sure that is what I did.
  
  Anita
  
 I just had to check this out.  I have Gnome installed and am using
 icewm-gnome.  So I tried putting gmc in .Xclients.  Then I remembered that
 I'm now using .xsession for that kind of thing; so I put it in .xsession. 
 Then I just had to drag and drop to place some icons.  After that I had to
 find out where they are stored, because ~/Desktop seems to be just for KDE. 
 I found them in ~/.gnome-desktop/  So now I have icons again - well at least
 folder icons at this point.  
 
 
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   Interesting, I will look into that  Thanks

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Re: continuing xscreensaver goofiness

2002-02-01 Thread Collins Richey

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:21:13 -0800 (PST)
Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  morning!
  
  i've had another little screen/keyboard/mouse lock while running 
  xscreensaver-4.0 with direct rendering enabled. i've encountered this 
  kind of thing before, when the extrusion hack would break things. at 
  least it was kind enough to leave its locked image on the screen, so 
  i could readily disable it.
  
  problem now is that the screen is blank when the thing dies (machine 
  continues to operate perfectly well, and it does not seem to have 
  anything to do with the daily crom run, as we had suspected, in that 
  this time it happened several hours after the cron run), it leaves 
  the screen blank.
  
  so the next guess is that it's a particular module.
  
  there are no errors in any logfiles i can find. so now i need to come 
  up with a way to log the activity of xscreensaver itself, as it 
  cycles through the modules. nothing i've tried works.
  
  ideas?
  
  i tried to email jamie directly about this, but the mail doesn't get 
  accepted on the other end, probably because i'm doing the 
  drippingwithirony smtp here, but incoming is hosted elsewhere.
 
 I too, have noticed that my box occasionally locks up when Xscreensaver
 is chugging away.  I've tried to find a pattern, or something getting
 logged, but there is nothing.  Let me know if you make any headway.

I should have written it down.  A year or so ago I discovered that one of
the screensaver choices (if you take the default random choices) is
totally broken.  At the time I removed it, but I can't remember which one.


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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Collins Richey

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:43 -0600
Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 List
 
 In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
 would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.
 

No and never.  Xfce is dedicated to keeping the bloat out.  You can add
icons to the popup menus that appear on the panel.

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Re: continuing xscreensaver goofiness

2002-02-01 Thread Net Llama

--- Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I should have written it down.  A year or so ago I discovered that one
 of
 the screensaver choices (if you take the default random choices) is
 totally broken.  At the time I removed it, but I can't remember which
 one.

Hrmmm...not that i'm doubting your experience with it but:
1) Xscreensaver has had quite a few revs over the past few months, i'd
think that if there was a problem with one, it would have been fixed by
now
2) I've always tested all of my choices before using them, and never was
able to forcefully reproduce any problem

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Re: continuing xscreensaver goofiness

2002-02-01 Thread dep

begin  Net Llama's  quote:

| Hrmmm...not that i'm doubting your experience with it but:
| 1) Xscreensaver has had quite a few revs over the past few months,
| i'd think that if there was a problem with one, it would have been
| fixed by now

not necessarily. a lot of the hacks are contribs, and i don't know how 
closely jamie goes through them.

| 2) I've always tested all of my choices before using them, and
| never was able to forcefully reproduce any problem

me, too. but that doesn't necessarily make the nut. for instance, in 
about 3.32, the extrusion hack would run, and nicely, too. for 
awhile. sometimes it would make it through its whole cycle. but 
sometimes it would do some little thing that would flat-out freeze x, 
keyboard, mouse, the whole shebang. the only reason i ever knew which 
hack it was was that it stayed on the screen when it froze. i locked 
it out, and all was well thereafter.

problem this time, here, is that this time around the screen is blank 
when whatever hack it is goes south. i'm trying to cook up some kind 
of way of logging the modules it uses. then when it freezes and i 
have to do the brb, on restart i could look at the log, identify the 
last module called, and take it off the list.

so far, none of the obvious logging methods has proved effective.
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Re: xfce question

2002-02-01 Thread Rick Sivernell

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:25:53 -0700
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:43 -0600
 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  List
  
  In xfce can you put icons on the desktop like in kde2 does? I
  would like to set some icon shortcuts. xfce is great.
  
 
 No and never.  Xfce is dedicated to keeping the bloat out.  You can add
 icons to the popup menus that appear on the panel.
 
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 WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed

Collins

   OK

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Re: New virus?

2002-02-01 Thread Joel Hammer

MS users are so dopey, you just never know.  I got an email the other
day that had a funny title like:

Great things are happening

The text part said to run the attachment, which was a microsoft thingee.
I immediately contacted our IS people. I haven't heard back, but I am
starting to think that this was a legitimate email, sent out by our
marketing department. Think about it. Despite all the trouble with worms,
these !@$% idiots are sending out email to eveybody in our organization
with attachments they instruct you to run.  Why executable attachments
even can get around our email system is a wondwer to me.

Joel

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OT MS product placement

2002-02-01 Thread Joel Hammer

Just to give you some idea of the power of MS to get its story out and
the attitude of businessmen towards us little people. The Wall Street
Journal has been a vocal critic, on its editorial page, of the efforts
to rein in Microsoft's attempt to monopolize the cyber world. Now comes
an editorial on the globalization of service work. I include four quotes,
two about MS, and two about how the WJS sees the golden future for us all.

Thanks largely to the fact that a decent education, Microsoft Office, and the
Internet are all as useful in Manila as in Minneapolis, the service sector
has gone mobile. 

and

Look at what happened in the last great era of globalization, before World
War I, when steamships and railroads made it much easier for laborers to
migrate and commodities to flow. From 1870 to 1914, real wages in Ireland
and Italy shot up by as much as one-third while they dropped 8% in the U.S.
(My comment: Boy, those stupid nativists.)

and

The stunning success of the U.S. tech-powered boom in the 1990s drew some
500,000 highly skilled H1-B visa holders from around the world and helped
establish international business norms.
(My note: They didn't import 500,000 lawyers.)

and

Want to talk to someone in Sofia about a new business venture? Well
it helps that you can email each other Microsoft Excel and Powerpoint
documents,...

Such a shameless plugging of a proprietary product is really
distasteful. I suppose it will have a powerful subliminal effect on
businessmen and other decision makers.  Equally distasteful is the vision
of the golden world to come, where American citizens will work for less
but will have the satisfaction of using microsoft software.

Joel

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Re: New virus?

2002-02-01 Thread dep

begin  Joel Hammer's  quote:

| The text part said to run the attachment, which was a microsoft
| thingee. I immediately contacted our IS people. I haven't heard
| back, but I am starting to think that this was a legitimate email,
| sent out by our marketing department. Think about it. Despite all
| the trouble with worms, these !@$% idiots are sending out email to
| eveybody in our organization with attachments they instruct you to
| run.  Why executable attachments even can get around our email
| system is a wondwer to me.

in  which case, you ought to ask your marketing department why they 
are sending things to me as well, because i got one of these, same 
subject.

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Re: New virus?

2002-02-01 Thread Joel Hammer

Really? Can you mail it to me so I can look at it on my linux machine?
Joel

 in  which case, you ought to ask your marketing department why they 
 are sending things to me as well, because i got one of these, same 
 subject.
 
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Re: OT MS product placement

2002-02-01 Thread David A. Bandel

On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:43:58 -0500
begin  Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:

[snip]
 
 The stunning success of the U.S. tech-powered boom in the 1990s drew
 some 500,000 highly skilled H1-B visa holders from around the world and
 helped establish international business norms.
 (My note: They didn't import 500,000 lawyers.)

Yeah, the H1-B's worked cheap, while the highly skilled, highly paid US
workers went unemployed.

 
 and
 
 Want to talk to someone in Sofia about a new business venture? Well
 it helps that you can email each other Microsoft Excel and Powerpoint
 documents,...
 
 Such a shameless plugging of a proprietary product is really
 distasteful. I suppose it will have a powerful subliminal effect on
 businessmen and other decision makers.  Equally distasteful is the
 vision of the golden world to come, where American citizens will work
 for less but will have the satisfaction of using microsoft software.
 

Well for those who haven't been living under a rock for the past 2 years,
US workers will have to take wage cuts so companies can send more money to
M$ to pay for all the subscription licenses they can't do business
without.

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Re: New virus?

2002-02-01 Thread dep

begin  Joel Hammer's  quote:
| Really? Can you mail it to me so I can look at it on my linux
| machine? Joel

i thought i'd nuked it, and i just looked and i had. it came in, i 
think, tuesday.

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