Re: I wanna know
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:31, Peter Ruskin wrote: .Xmodmap:0 contains (alter it to suit) ... [snip] thank you. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
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Re: MySQL front ends, was: Re: no printing from kmail
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:16, Matthew Carpenter wrote: By Front End do you mean something like Access has for it's own databases? I'm floundering with databases, so 'yes', that type of thing would be what I'm looking for. (but I don't know too much about Access either) Although I think I understood your explanation, I don't follow why it would be so difficult to have a front end (so to speak) for a mysql dbase server. What's so difficult about creating (say) a simple name and address book dbase using a 'standard' tool? It's the 'standard tool' I can't find, apart from Knoda/Rekall. I can follow along ok if I had to program it myself using (say) perl, but I don't follow why this simple need can't be fairly generic. Not a complaint, not a whinge, I truthfully don't understand where the tuff bit is, and it must be tuff, coz there's nothing out there (yet). -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: MySQL front ends, was: Re: no printing from kmail
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:31, Peter Ruskin wrote: On Monday 04 Feb 2002 21:08, David A. Bandel wrote: xmysql, webmin mysql module, phpmysqladmin, and there are others (tk module, ...) afaik, none of these are user front ends. Again, afaik, none of them allow you to design a dbase, then enter data, in an IDE fashion. They are tools for designing an ide. ... and from KDE there are Rekall and knoda disappointed with Rekall, and am using knoda at moment. It is very alpha, and under-developed. But, as a user front end, Knoda seems to be the only thing 'out there' and is the best of a poor bunch. I have supplied some patch code to the developer (of Knoda), he's tame, friendly, and overworked. I can't put very much effort into helping him because SQL is a mystery to me. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 05:21, Bill Campbell wrote: I learned a long time ago (1) to always ``cd'' to a directory before doing an ``rm *'' in that directory instead of ``rm dir/*'' since a space after the slash does nasty things, and (2) to think really hard before using the ``*'' to make sure I've typed it correctly. This is where a gui widget helps. A delete widget (button or icon) is context sensitive, it might operate on some highighted info, or many other criteria. The only thing context sensitive about the cli method is the current path (dot)(slash) A gui widget learns from it's mistakes. Ie it is automated better by each iteration of the code underlying it. It might do self checks, it might 'understand' what can / can't be deleted, it might be full bloat and actually do hidden backups. Point being, it can be automated with intelligence. The same intelligence you have to 'learn', it can too. The difference is the gui widget is an accumulator of knowledge. It doesnt forget, or make typos, or unlearn. You can create this fundamental, identically, using cli script. Ie overwriting the basic rm command with an alias to a written script of your own which would exhibit the same strengths as a gui-widget (because basically all scripts are widgets). Where the gui method differs is that all possible options (can be) presented in your face so to speak, with radio buttons or check boxes. There's nothing different about using 'no operator intelligence required' gui button and an equally 'no intelligence required' script. Both are implemented with the same goal in mind. But give me a gui anyday to remove the typos, and remind me, of all possible options that I can't remember, or much much worse, how to present them, on the command line. Secondly, a gui widget is a token. A picture of a crimson pink elephant means something. awk, grep, Grep, grEp, GRep, and grePpp mean nothing and are impossible to remember (the classic cp -r ... and chown -R .) Using a mouse (gui), or, using the up-arrow (cli), has the same degree of laziness, except mice can't type miStakeZ. The idea of 'you can type the command quicker and easier', frankly, fills me with horror. Been there dun that, and recovered. SOME installations ban all use of the cli for this reason. (VisaCard servers eg). *nix makes much of the security aspect linux won't let you.. This is fuddelbunk when it comes to individual users. Linux very weak in protecting a user from himself. The idea that a scientist deleting his 2,000 page thesis by accident is 'too stupid to use a computer' doesn't wash well. Up arrows create havoc each day every day. One final thing to say about gui widgets is there is a disconnect between the command option and the literal. With cli, once you determine that --elephants means ignore timeouts, that's it. In most cases, 'elephants' is position sensitive as well. You can't change the name, nor it's position relative to other commands (without serious wurries). Filenames are particularly notorious, eg copy this = that, or is it copy that-this ? With a gui, the visual front end can be radio-button-elephants and next version radio-button:giraffes if that has more contextual sense, and options have no position sensitivy. A text box saying input file name is pretty clear. This means that revision of a gui widget doesn't automatically break the underlying code, nor, does it inhibit revision. The dangers inherent in changing how a cli verb operates has indeed prevented many of them from being revised and is the reason why we cannot have a uniform set of -a, -b -c switches. They can't even agree on --help, /h -h, --H, -i, --I, -v or -vV. The F1 key is agreed on. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:43, Joshua Lee wrote: The S-100 bus existed as a standard bus on many CP/M boxes long before the Apple II, though Apple is to be commended for it's open specs for The reference was in context to the Apple, and the demise of Mrola, which is directly related. The S100 (or separately, the Apple bus) were 'copied' into the IBM pc. It is only ironic that the good idea wasn't enough. Volumes are what counted. Intel beat the Motorollas only through brute force, The brute force equated to volumes and price. _because_ Apples were and are excessively expensive, they weren't high volumes (relative to cheaply made, unlicensed pc klones). The sheer volume of Intel cpu's was the brute force. It was nothing that Intel did or didn't do to make that happen. Intel eventually having more megahertz. Motorolla always had less clock cycles per instruction and a lot more elegance This is not the case at the point of disconnect. The 68040 was a gruntier, crunchier chip than the (early versions) of the 486. Intel did not 'win' based on more megahertz, Motorola did not 'lose' despite having a more elegant (read uniformly linear) cpu. Motorola had no place (other than Apple) to push it's cart in desktops (Amiga was a closed box). Where Mrola continues to win is any embedded engine based on it's CPU32 core. They compete head to head with Intel in volumes because it is single application-specific. (eg Palm pilots). Afaik, MC68HC11's, 05's , 680332 are dominant and Intel is an also ran. Well, there were other factors, such as IBM choosing the 8088 for it's PC. ;-) which brings me back full circle. History will never know if a very big player backing the 8086 caused it to win. What caused the 680x0 to lose is Apple's unambiguous greed, simple as that. The 8080 and Z-80 were horrible, a total lack of useful addressing modes, specialized registers in context to your paragraph, I don't think you were slagging the Z80. It was the most advanced cpu peripheral family of it's day and your arguments for the 6502, while valid, are a risk/cisc argument, hotly debated in 1975 citing both as 'exhibit one'. The Z80 pinched many mainframe concepts (mostly from Xerox Sigma 6 Univac 1100's), including vectored interrupts. A lack which continues to plague us with the irq limit on x86. Most commentators of the time remarked on the ultimate demise of Charlie Chaplin because they backed the wrong horse (snigger snigger): an 8086 which was designed by the flotsam of Intel that remained after Exxon bought out the original design team. Anyway, nice to sse you know what you're talking about cheesy grin -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
I wanna know
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:31, Peter Ruskin wrote: I have to say I haven't studied any manuals about this (because it works for me®) - it came from a tip by a guru on kde-linux list. Okay okay, how'd you get the ® symbol. Don't tell me to use fourteen keystrokes please. I'm ready with the superglue and a stick on transfer for the key you tell me about. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Header include question
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 06:04, Kurt Wall wrote: On, Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:34:03 -0600, Rick Sivernell typed: [mondo snippage] Kurt I understand, I have a handle on it now. I just knew you were the one to ask. I really appreciate your help Thank you. Or, you could try the Kurtwerks(tm) all stars bobby dazzler. It saved me, the universe, made coffee and washed the dishes export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=some damn path It was *after* this bit of Kurwerks(tm) advice that I discovered I didn't need to fiddle with -I -i --nostdinc etc. My only complaint is that Kurt could have told me about it before I asked. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT MS product placement
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:47, David A. Bandel wrote: The stunning success of the U.S. tech-powered boom in the 1990s drew some 500,000 highly skilled H1-B visa holders from around the world and Yeah, the H1-B's worked cheap, while the highly skilled, highly paid US workers went unemployed. Not this H1-B, I was highly skilled, and highly paid. America has a habit of going to sleep for a decade then waking up to discover the outside world has overtaken them (viz the HP / Motorola memory chip wakeup call, viz the collapse of Fairchild) America also has the phenonemal ability to re-invent itself. You were written off 15 years ago, It took a decade of imports, such as myself, to give your industries the breathing space they needed with new college Grads. The 'highly paid US workers' retrained during that time to get, highly paid. No-one ever said to me, ozzie go home. I would have been more than happy to. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Hidden directory contents in fstab-mounted Windows partition
Interesting hypothesis but no - there was nothing there. I've just booted into native win98 in DOS mode and removed the system flags from Program Files and win, but that hasn't made any difference either. here's my ordinary uninteresting fstab /dev/hda1 /mnt/dos vfat defaults,users,umask=0 0 0 I run my linux os on any given machine each week and 'carry' it as a hard drive (hdbX), hence the dos primary disk and partition, because it's no interest to me what the machine is normally used for. The above is real standard syntax regardless. if still no go, I need to see some 'pristine' /var/log/messages, you need to knock out any automounters, reboot, then mount the dos drive, before you do that, look at /etc/mtab to be CERTAIN the dos drive is not mounted. i need to see tail /var/log/messages, and lsmod immediately after you mount. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 09:15 pm, Ted Ozolins warbled: I better hurry up and settle on a distro soon as I have a neet to set up a data base for cross refferencing partnumbers. no sarcasm intended. How are you going to do that? What database? I've found nothing 'out there' that's useable. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: no printing from kmail
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:18, Ted Ozolins wrote: Aside from tutorials on the web, and help from some local programmers, I'll be attempting to set up Mysql for this. sometimes I practice really really hard to be an idiot. This is one where I went the extra mile and outdid myself. I cannot find *anything* out there in gui land that even begins to do it. All this talk about mysql etc is find and good but what front end are you going to use. I've tried Kylix, hk_classes, even kde's not-for-public-consumption Kbase, I cannot find a single front end that will let me enter data into a (mysql) dbase or any other 'server'. And it's this that gets me really really confuzed because, if there's a server such as mysql, where the hell is the front end for it? What obvious bit have I missed? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:41, Burns MacDonald wrote: frontal lobotomy can produce a Windows OS clone. You're opinion is always worth respecting Burns but that's a cheap throway shot at explaining away the need to make an OS user friendly. A killer line to knock out opposition. (anyway, it takes a real idiot to create 10million lines of code and call it Windows, a lobotomy would have reduced the line count) The arcane blitheringly stupid cli syntax of Linux can get consigned to the dustbin where it deserved to be 20 years ago. The cli is an embarassment to those who use it. I no longer need to grep an awk before I bash it. It hasn't put one more hair on my chest. While I've learned a few more verbs since 1972 *nix hasn't kept up beyond the monosylable. We're stuck in a time warp with ls, tre, man, and a host of other inscrutable geek. The only reason people defend tar: a tape archiver for god's sake, is because it brings back fond memories of Bob Dylan, Coffee Shops and Duffel coats. (Ask them to be rational and the expression mists over) I'd call this geekspeak a high entry barrier when what I want to do is design T shirts and run accounts. If that were my profession, i'd like to love Linux, not wrestle it to the mat. CP/M did better. Bash syntax and the engine that runs it is more profuse with bloat than any complaint about kde. (read the maintainers' comments on same subject) Gui's and point n click assist in a need, and it doesn't equate to being a Windows clone. X is a good idea(tm). If there are similarities, then it's because Bill was savvy enough to use the original Xerox reccomendations, and the laid-in-concrete specifications for the 'special' keys of the keyboard, Not many people realise that the feel in windows look 'n feel is an IBM dictation(SAA something) for System 36/8 in existence prior to the PC, adopted by DEC, and passed on (partly) via the x-motif widget set. I would certainly back you in an argument where some distro was stupid enough to chase the Windoze market by emulating Windoze, but being a self-confessed gui-adorer doesn't make me a me-too Windoze luser. then maybe there are some users we just don't need to attract. /sunday evening rant too bloody right. I've never been attracted to *nix. I use it because Bill Gates and Steve Jobs gave me no choice. Linux has some way to go before I 'like' it. A decent gui is one. The MAC suffered because they insisted on a completely proprietary model in an increasingly generic market model. They were clobbered by the dominance of the PC clone model and all the explosive cross-development that brought with it. I would argue with you here, not on the clearness of above, but Steve's greed. The cause of all of the above ills were and are that Macs are crazily, greedily, unnecessarily, expensive. It was the Apple ][ that introduced the bus concept, *the* item from above that made all the difference for the Oem. Motorola fuelled to the 68040, a far better cpu in all respects than it's 80486 counterpart (not my say so, industry definition), Apple would not reduce the price sufficiently to get the cpu chip-volume up, Motorola, sensibly, gave the public what it deserved. Intel. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Wierd mail problem...
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:06, Bill Day wrote: downloads. Gets approximately 3/4 way through the dl of mail (135 of 195 [snip] absolutely unqualified here, but this is typical of an isp who has set the keep-alive wrong. I'ts not retriggering on icmp requests to port 110, just ignoring them. try activating a program like licq. If the line disconnects after (say) 10 mins of just licq. it's an isp issue. If not, keep licq running and read your mail, if it doesn't drop out, it's *definitely* an isp issue. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 03:10, Matthew Carpenter wrote: They are relatively insecure and bloated in their use of bandwidth when compared with the their slick cousin, SSH. agreed. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:34, Bill Campbell wrote: It's a lot easier to copy all the text files in a directory to a floppy by typing ``cp *.txt /auto/floppy'' than it is to select them with a GUI, right-click copy, go find the floppy in another file manager, then It's a lot easier to make a typo, too. The best GUI administration tools are basically front ends for command line [snip] No contest. A good gui is a visual front end to a script. It might contain additional checks, some automation etc, but that's the bottom line. There's no fite about the goodness(tm) of a cli. It's evolvement under *nix has a lot to answer for. It doesn't need to be that tuff. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Intel compiler
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:42, Ken Moffat wrote: Another one to keep in mind is Borland, with the kylix thing being updated to c++. Shouldn't be too long, and I've used C++Builder on Windows with great pleasure. I don't know C++Builder is it Borland? And are you saying kylix is being ported out of Delphi (Pascal) and into C++? This would mean the C__Far_Pascal calls would be dropped for those addon C++ oops objects, a good thing(tm). Where does this all fit in with the original post about a true blue Intel compiler? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Modems
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:59, Dallam Wych wrote: In what context are you saying that winmodems cannot respond to AT commands? Certainly they must respond to AT commands if they communicate through wvdial as there are several commands involved in the process. Ooops. When I'm wrong, I like to be *completely wrong* slap -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:46, Keith Antoine wrote: I do nopt look bad in a pair of thongs! Liar. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:38, burns wrote: Yes. Keef had polished his crystal balls, tuned up his magic wand and I had gotten new dentures for the occaision (I hate borrowing Mike's). Hmmph, you never complain at the time, do you. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
background splash-screen, RH72 was Re: another xfree 4.2.0 gotcha
On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:21, Myles Green wrote: OK, this was pretty simple actually, /etc/X11/prefdm points the way. In Ok, wizards. Since this is still all fresh in your mind, i have an annoying problem with the KDE user login screen (RH72) I've set the background to something I want and it flashes briefly for 2 seconds or so, then gets overwritten by a Rehdat logo et al. Any clues folks where to look? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:34, Net Llama wrote: Oh gawd no. Kudzu is the biggest flaming POS i've come across in all of Linux. I've stopped counting the number of boxes that its locked up, fubarred or othewise rendered useless. The part of kudzu I am impressed with is it's auto-detection of added / removed hardware during boot up. Particularly sound. Like similar modules, sound comes with lotsa pre- and post- install extras, too many, for the average joe like me to keep up with. As in I'm really not fascinated with whatever chip model make and number it is and how many midi ports it might have and whether it uses the async 6502 mac emulation, I just want the bloody thing installed so I can get on with MUCH more interesting items on _that_ machine, while playing a normal audio cd. Ditto, kudzu does a much more than adequate job with mice, detecting even hotplugging, the usb varieties. Obviously, whoever is writing kudzu is maintaininga data base of quirks and features of each device as encountered. better he does, than I have to. Not so impressive is kudzu's (apparent) manipulation of /etc/fstab, i really, really don't appreciate new names and extra bits in /dev being plunked there for me. (presumably, if I man kudzu I could find some answers, but I want to get on an use, not play, with the computer I have this week.) Sour grapes Llllama, auto detection aint that tuff, hell, the unmentionable os has had it since 1995, so it's been a long time coming. If kudzu aint that good, there has to be a better one, real soon now. It's needed. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:46, Tom Wilson wrote: 2048 characters, but this can be configured. I'm not sure where. Where can you find this info? (Not about configing but about the length?) Bedtime reading-Bash- (and of course, man bash) (not stated in either, is this limit is known as the maxparse_charcount) I always thought that if you kept \ at the end of the line you could keep going on. Nope, \ is \ a \ catenated \ line Jargospeak: A 'command line' is any sequence of characters (including whitespace) preceding a nl character, unless the nl character itself is escaped by using \, in which case, the nl is ignored and has no effect on the parse count. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Modems
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:45, zohar wrote: I want to know how to distinguish between [snippety hack] system) and AT commands of it to use for that. There's the rub. Winmodems of any kind CANNOT respond to AT commands. They don't have an embedded controller (or any other controller) in them to emulate the hayes command set. A winmodem is a generic name for any controller-less modem that simply presents it's raw innards to the outside world. EACH ONE operates differently, some have 99 address registers others get by with two, Others use dsp, others expect the cpu to do it for them. There is NO and can be NO 'standard' accross the oem range of winmodems. Each one must be programmed differently. The specs for ANY one of these animals are jealously guarded secrets of the manufacturer. The so-called 'AMR' modem is nothing more (or less) than another animal of this breed, a winmodem. Can I get a complete explanation of the site(s) describing the details www.linmodems.org for supported linux modems of both types. There are plenty of references to what winmodems are, there are NO references to how to program them, nor will it ever eventuate. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: background splash-screen, RH72 was Re: another xfree 4.2.0 gotcha
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:08, Net Llama wrote: Where did you change it? My guess is that whatevr you did was just a hack that gets called before the actual 'official' call to display a logog. Thus its getting squashed in the general order of things. Big Green Button - stuff I've chased down all the kde related rc files (share, bin, $home) and *every* one of them state correctly my new background jpg But it seems that the kdm? daemon, restarted from inittab has a delay built in then splashes the rh logo. I've chased down the logo.jpg itself and killed it, but get the underlying shaded background screen regardless. I don't think it is kde related as such. I have a devil of a job chasing Xstartup files because they change so dramatically, and there are so many of them, per distro and per release level of Xfree. Just hoping someone here has done the hard homework and can put my nose in the right direction. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Intel compiler
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 03:33, Jerry McBride wrote: My take on the whole affair is that Intel is making sure it's new P4 is properly supported... in that its' new optimizaions are being exploited by this compiler. That said... I'll find out shortly if its' worth the salt. The curious thing is... they want $500.00 for the fully supported product... That's an 'ok' price. Most compilers come out between there and $2,000. I use Sierra and Hitech compilers at those prices. It's small potatoes. I'm actually pleased to see that one. Obviously, the Msoft visual C visual basic Asm86 packages are too full of bloat. Compromising the code for backwards compatibility into 80386. It's quite possible, that since the P4 does not introduce yet-another marketing hype added instruction set like MMX that Msoft feel no obligation to compile their code for it especially. My guess is, Intel will do very well indeed. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: FreeBSD again ot
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:59, Kurt Wall wrote: I'm a Ammurrican. Troglodyte's don't have nationalities. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How trashed is it?
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:03, Tim Wunder wrote: My installation of RedHat 7.0 requires 'su -' to get root's path. Every Caldera distro I've used (2.3, 2.4, 3.1) didn't require that, It's annoying. The technical difference is that the existing environment is retained (not another shell) without the -. Mere Mortals under Redhat don't automatically have access to /sbin, it's not in the path. You can change this behaviour simply by editing (dot)bashrc in your $home directory and set the /sbin pathway. Then you get Caldera (tm) su. yep, it's annoying and can be changed in the (dot)basrc to reflect the /sbin paths. (that's the difference) I haven't seen where including 'root' in the su command is required, it aint. 'root' is implied, OR, you can explicitly state it. Both mean same. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FreeBSD again ot
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:35, Myles Green wrote: moi aussie? non, vous et norfolker, n'est pas? d'accordo! qaunto anche io? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: cdrom help
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:15, Tim Wunder wrote: Upon investigation, I made a WAG that the reason I needed to load ide-scsi during boot was that I had IDE CDROM support compiled into the kernel. Bugger, bugger, bugger. I *forgot* all about that wrinkle. You are right sir. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: cdrom help
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:30, Ken Moffat wrote: ln -s /dev/srX /dev/scdX PMFJI .. I have /dev/scd0 and /dev/scd1 for cd-rw and dvd. Should I do step 3 above? Yes. It does no harm. Jan 13 07:23:05 localhost kernel: sr1: CDROM not ready. Make sure there a symlink will fix that. I assume supermount is looking for media. Annoying. Correct. The bottom line here is simply to understand that both srX and scdX refer to the same animal. How you organise YOUR system is one of the best features of Linux. You can. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
devfs was Re: cdrom help
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:57, David A. Bandel wrote: If you have something better (than devfs), I know lots of folks who would like to hear your idea of how to do it. We have no argument about the 'goodness' of devfs. devfs is going to happen, because it has to. I have run devfs (past tense) I agreed with it, it did not agree with me. I admire your ability to use it. Richard Gooch has a *lot* of documentation to catch up on because 80% of what is there is a 1998 argument as to why devfs is needed (in preference to other alternatives). It is scant, to non-existent, on HOW to use it. so you need to tell whoever owns the sr_mod module that he's got to rename is scd_mod because he's wrong -- no? This is facetious. The point being that the ramifications of implementing scdX in preference to srX were not thought out fully. Redhat is not alone, unique or the leader of this new wrinkle. And, I'd fight anyone who said the kernel must change because of *any* distro. _because_ sr_mod is hardwired, _because_ many automounters hunt srX, this new approach may die a death and everyone will revert to srX. Right now, there is confusion everywhere about the duality of scdX /srX and there's no magic-cure. I don't argue the author must change, I point out the reasons why thingz iz as they iz. My view is that the dynamic assignment of devfs will rule the day and things will revert. I've been using devfs since it came out. I prefer it. It may not be perfect, but it's a damn site better than creating thousands of useless device nodes No contest. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FreeBSD - Part I (Planning)
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:43, Collins Richey wrote: Ok, there does appear to be some level of interest for FreeBSD, and no one seems to be mightily offended, so I'll do a few posts. [snip] Collins, rather than me hacking and slashing this text into an SxS and doing it a disservice, please most me an html copy. thanx. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IDE ZIP drive problems (SOLVED!)
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:36, Tim Wunder wrote: Previously, Tim Wunder chose to write: snip [slash] [snippety] [hack] 1) network issues are irrelevant, look elsewhere. 2) paride is required for any parallel connected zip, ls120 or backpack device. It, and all it's associated drivers (pf, epat etc) are TOTALLY irrelevant to your ide based zip drive. Compile or no compile, they make no difference. 3) ide-floppy IS the driver for ide zips and ls120's. Period. it is NOT for floppies per se. 4) ide-scsi (surprise surprise) will serve as a REPLACEMENT to ide-floppy. Why? Because ide-floppy is a cut down lean and mean ide-scsi. (so too, ide-tape) ide-floppy MUST be hard wired. Meaning it must either be part of the inittab process for the distro. Eg: /etc/rc.d/rc.local for RH, /etc/modules/default for Caldera. OR, it must be compiled monolothic. OR you can invoke ide-scsi Either way, you *also* require sd_mod.o and scsi-mod.o to load. (These normally autoload on an /sbin/mount) The resulting device name from either method is /dev/sdX (a hard drive) The problem you are having (with either method) is discovering where the hell your *%%*(* /dev/sdXn device got to!!! The reason is that the scsi base module (scsi_mod.o) will assign device names on a first come, first served basis. If you have no other scsi devices in your system, it's /dev/sda. Otherwise it depends solely on what gets loaded first. see bulk storage- zip-internal-ide on the site below for a topology of the modules required. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: cdrom help
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:56, Rick Sivernell wrote: I am having continual problems with cdroms. I have the following scsi id 4 42x scsi cdrom scsi id 5 Yamaha 6x4x16 cdwriter hdc is a 52x ide cdrom drive [snippetty hack] Rick, your problem is your misunderstanding of srX and scdX they are BOTH the same thing. Viz. [root@RSivernell rick]# ll /dev/sc* | more brw-rw-r-- 1 rick disk 11, 0 Oct 11 13:07 /dev/scd0 brw-rw-r-- 1 root disk 11, 1 Oct 11 13:07 /dev/scd1 brw--- 1 rick root 11, 0 Oct 11 13:07 /dev/sr0 brw--- 1 rick disk 11, 1 Oct 11 13:07 /dev/sr1 note the major / minor numbers? They are identical. First. modern distros deprecate the use of srX, get rid of them, literally. Promise from me that you can do no harm by deleting them. 2) you don't appear to have /dev/scd2. Do a mknod 3) ln -s /dev/srX /dev/scdX iterate X 0, 1 and 2 Each of your cd roms (all THREE) will iterate scd0, scd1 and finally scd2. Which is what is *impossible* to say as it depends on the order of module load, AND, which gets mounted first. (Blame the crappy scsi framework on Linux for that one, it's a brothel) As a fair and reasonable guess, your system (regardless of what you think you have in /etc/fstab) is as follows scd0 = hdc (because of append statement) scd1 = writer (lun #4) scd2 = reader (lun #5) /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto,exec 0 0 /dev/cdwriter /mnt/sr0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto,exec 0 0 /dev/cdrom2 /mnt/scd1 is09660 ro,user,noauto,exec 0 0 so that YOU don't get confused, scrap out all references to srX in both the fstab, and, obviously, the /mnt folder, replace them with the direct scdX name. again, scrap all symlinks to mysterious items like cdrom etc and use direct /dev/scdX's. By all means, change back after it's settled down, but first work in the literal world (kde makes special use of the name 'cdrom' incidentally) *Temporarily* disable automounters Finally, reboot, place a cd in each drive and mount each scdX to find out who is what. There *will be* a timing race between the hdc and the other devices. If it is mounted FIRST, it will *probably* affect the scdX order because it's device minor node doesn't get registered until the cdrom.o module is loaded. Thus, I don't want to complicate things here, but *if* it's mounted first it will be scd0, *if* not, it might be scd2. You are going to have to play. All else fails? post here tail -50 /var/log/messages immediately after a reboot -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ingenuity sought
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:43, dep wrote: i am hoping that there is some utility that will do this as a batch, and perhaps a script that will do it all on one pass. i have no idea where to begin to look. Programming-Thumbnail maker. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Testing: Ignore
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:15, Bruce Marshall wrote: Yes, but how can it be an official test without the obligatory humor attached... :o) Damn right, it's NOT a test, it's some bl**dy troll. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Re: second dvd (cdrom) not seen as
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /dev/hdb-/dev/cdrom /dev/hdd-/dev/dvd I have no ide-scsi lines in my lilo.conf. Both work flawlessly. Neither device is burnable. That's why. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: StepXStep CD BURNERS-IDE
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:10, zohar wrote: I want this CDRW to work also with Linux as my ASUS CD-R is working. I was asking from where I will find the STEP x STEP tutorial for this. CD BURNING -IDE -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps Jan 12
KDE2-Soundbug (Mike Andrew) Bedtime Reading- IDE CD Burners (Mike Andrew) CD BURNERS - IDE Bedtime Reading I ***really** hope the above finally, permanently and at last finishes off the *)(*)(^%$*)( append = statement. I've done *everything* I can think of to explain ide-scsi. PLEASE READ and let me know what's still not clear PS thanks. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Alternate. was Re: Copying boot disk
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:22, Glenn Williams wrote: [snip] From: Dave Anselmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] I dont' have floppies, period, on any of my systems. (well ok, one ls120 external) this leaves me exposed to boot problems. the answer is, boot from *any* cd-bootable linux distro and type the magic words linux single root=/dev/somewhere boot=/dev/somewhere_else noinitrd all verbs except noinitrd are optional in the sense that they are dependant on what exactly it is you're trying to 'get at'. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: StepXStep CD BURNERS-IDE
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:49, Michael Scottaline wrote: Ahhh..., but we knew *his eminence* would set him straight now, didn't we, your lordship? genuflects;o) Just curious about the genuflection bit. Woudl that be with a patented Skippy magic wand and will you go blind? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Minor KDE2 sound bug
A minor bug exists in kde 2.2 when starting. the default mixer settings, for some inexplicable reason, probe for TWO sound devices and TWO mixers Control Centre (big green button) - sound-Mixer-hardware settings change the default values of '2' to '1' The 'error' appears in /var/log/messages as modprobe: unable to find sound-slot-1 It causes no permanent damage but is annoying to 'see'. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: StepXStep CD BURNERS-IDE
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:03, Net Llama wrote: the ? means use the letter b,c or d. Ie whichever is your cd ide drive. Note: it could also be the letter 'a'. Yeah, right. and the boot hard drive *might* be d, or scsi. You're currently buried deep in programming aren't you. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I'm impressed with ATI!
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:37, Keith Antoine wrote: Errm, what do you mean as I did not write whatever it was. I have never used a ATI card. Earlier you stated that you couldn't install an ATI on a friend's machine over 3 distros. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: re snapshotsot
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:42, Keith Antoine wrote: Maybe you should try the Licuala Palm leaf, as they get up to 2.5mt across and would shade most of you...I think. When I ordered the original Kurtwerks tin hat, Mark 2, I requested the 3 metre optional accessory. This served me well, as my belly didn't get sunburned. So, if you don't mind, I'll stick to banana leaves, which have a bigger spread than this new Licuala model you seem determined to foist on an unsuspecting public. Truth in advertising Kurt. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: StepXStep CD BURNERS-IDE
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:08, Ken Moffat wrote: in Libranet linux I once tried append=hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi and locked up on reboot with a crc error during a time of heavy experimenting. that's a completely legitimate 2.4.x syntax, and is a pretty sensible way of allowing cdrom - cdr burns, elsewise, there's no way of doing direct cd-cd copying. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I'm impressed with ATI!
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:14, Ted Ozolins wrote: The All in Wonder card is basically a Mach64 card, what driver did you use? Wooo! I didn't know that. Skippy, that's an 'unusual' driver for Xfree did you try that? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Maxtor 80 meg drive
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:03, Collins Richey wrote: I've experimented with various partitionings, but I always come back to a single partition per distro or a separate /home partition as second choice Unless you plan to download tons of MP3/OGG files, movie clips, iso images, etc. ... I never manage to get more than about 5GB used (with both KDE and gnome and OpenOffice, and a few iso images downloaded). So, I would carve the drive up into 10-15GB chunks max (I use 6.4GB max at present). Yep, I second that, 4 gig is around my limit per Linux distro, and I keep a common scsi 3gig drive for umm errr archives and downloads and things. I was reading somewhere that 8gig is an 'optimimum' for the linux ext2fs . It wasn't based on the (now mercifully obsolete) 8 gig bios limit, but something to do with bitlengths used for ext2fs lba, or file node hashing, or, well, something. I think you'd really have to push the envelope to make a big linux partition per OS. If you're heavily into image and sound then really, those files are a candidate for a separate drive or partition. If you're wondering technically if there's anything spooky about such a large drive and optimimum partition sizes because of that, then, yes, there *would* be some timing esoterica spanning the entire disk surface, but the effort you'd spend tweaking would be wasted. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: re snapshotsot
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:50, Kurt Wall wrote: Are you still wearing your KurtWerks (tm) Hat? Sadly, no, one of Les Bell's goats took an unfortunate liking to it. I have tried banana leaves instead, but have to say 'they' are still speaking to me, while my friends are not. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: writeable vfat
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:51, R. Quenett wrote: Suggestions to correct the following fstab entry so any user can write to /mnt/hda14 would be appreciated. /dev/hda14 /mnt/hda14 vfat rw,users,dev,exec,suid,check=n,uid=503,gid=100 0 [snip] vfat defaults, users, umask=0 0 0 -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: StepXStep CD BURNERS-IDE
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:29, Robert L. Hemus wrote: Tn the step by steps to install a CDROM RW in step 2 it says you add hd?=ide-scsi to the kernel line in your menu.lst file. the ? means use the letter b,c or d. Ie whichever is your cd ide drive. PS: IF you are running a 2.4 kernel the append is not necessary. Instead, you *could* edit /etc/rc.local and type the magic words /sbin/modprobe ide-scsi -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: KDE configuration
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:55, Clint Tevlin wrote: I've installed eD2.4 on my intended gateway PC but KDE appears stretched vertically, ie icons and menubar spacings. As a very bad guess you have the wrong card configured in the Xserver. Which video card are you using? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX iso's...ot
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:52, lesley wrote: What is an ELX iso ??? Just to be very clear on what Collin's has said, an iso is shorthand for an image.iso. It is the contents of an entire, existing, cd. You can replicate a cd by burning it directly. It is not exclusively connected with ELX, but rather, the other way round, where whatever it is that's called ELX is on cd, and an iso image, or several iso images exist of it. There's also an interesting piece of technogeek here. Many of us may never have heard of an ELX distribution but instantly associate the words together as meaning just that. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I'm impressed with ATI!
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:55, Net Llama wrote: ATI may have lost ground against NVidia, but they haven't lost anything against Voodoo, which has become the has-been of the videocard world. In some ways they did. NVidia bought out Voodoo, lock, stock, barrel. *Had* Ati chosen to buy them instead, we might be singing different tunes. Not a contradiction at you llama, an observation. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I'm impressed with ATI!
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:40, Jerry wrote: ATI will either flounder this year or be taken over... I don't buy into flame wars, but I support that observation. My *ultra* limited experience of ATI is that they have neither of the two essentials, a 'wow' grafix processor, and hypermarketing. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: re snapshotsot
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:03, Douglas J Hunley wrote: a compliment from Mikey. I think I'll print this! ;) Okay, Okay, *everyone* makes a slipup some times. Hell, I am part human. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Questions about moving from Win2k to SUSE 7.3 Pro (Long)
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:07, Shane Broomhall wrote: My name is Shane Broomhall from Brisbane Australia. Australian is ok, but did you have to mention ? IBM thinkpad A20m. They work fine under the penguin. Depending on model, you have some minor display issues to attend to. It has an internal DVD Standard ide-cdrom under linux, with the option of using special app binaries to 'play dvd' of which I am ignorant. BUT, as a base driver, this animal is a linux, ide, cd-rom. and a Win Modem. Winmodem-Pctel- But, get an external and save grief. You *can* get it working, for AUD50 why bother? I have an Iomega USB Zip Bulk-Storage-Zip-USB USB CDR. USB - General info (answer is yes, but I'm not 100% on the cd burn) My last usage of Suse was on this laptop with 7.0. I have purchased 7.3 pro. My questions are as follows.: This mail-server runs SuSE 7.3 (when Dougie ain't fiddling with it) the 2.4 Kernal has support for USB devices, would anyone know if my USB CDR would be detected and it it would be useable as a CDR. ?? General answer is it will work as a cd-rom, I believe it is hot pluggable and haven't tried that, I am ignorant of a usb-scsi emulator. Scsi emulation is mandatory for burning *any* cd. Does the USB Zip Drive work as well ??? Perfectly. Both 100, and 250 megger cartridges. It is also hot pluggable. I have heard that Winmodems are now useable, has anyone had experiences with making these work with 7.3 and could you please give me hint on where to find the instructions. ??? you want a hint? Buy an external and don't muck about. Myob You *might* want to consider dual boot. Avoid Windows XP NTFS style formatting whichever way you go. Such 'disks' are currently read-only under Linux. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps Jan 5
PALMPILOT-GUI INTERFACES (Susan/Alan) moved information CODE DEVELOPERS-PalmOS- PALMPILOT-PROGRAMMING- Rapid Development Tool Install -EMULATOR -SDK -PILRC -PRCTOOLS -Putting it all together Enjoy (and if you make a bundle, throw muni) -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Hi thereot
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:09, Bill Parker wrote: Thought I would check this list out Gerday Bill. Your SxS material is still being used. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: in mandrake how does
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:48, Declan Moriarty wrote: Was it Keith Antoine who wrote on Friday 04 January 2002 08:33: One call initrd after a recompile. Get the update files downloaded and installed. I can see the GUI for it but no idea how to use it. I don't knw Mandrake but afaik, initrd? Are you talking about the install process? In which case initrd is a 'good idea'. Otherwise, unless you're booting from a scsi hard drive I would scrap it. It adds a layer of confusion to what kernel is actually running. If it's flakey after an install you can always type the magic at boot time linux root=/dev/wherever noinitrd -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Internet Server Sanctions
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:12, Bill Campbell wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 07:23:10PM +, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: Not quite right. If I set up IBM.com in my dns anyone on my network would go where my records point to and nothing can supercede them except a lawsuit. Not internic, your ISP, IBM or anyone. There are actually legitmate reasons one might do something like this. I too bl**dy right 192.168.1.1 -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Internet Server Sanctions
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay. I stand corrected. Then stand re-corrected. All that any user on the 'internal' network has to do is pull from some other DNS. It's typical to access a dn server geographically close. but it makes little difference in reality. The issue boils down to a dn server can be an authority for anything it likes. It can choose, in the normal case, to defer to, or refresh it's knowledge of other domains, or, it could ignore them. The latter is not the norm and would break the fabric of the internet if it were so. But, one of the 'hardiness' aspects built in to the internet and it's domains is the user, is free to avoid a 'broken' server quite easily. /preaching to the choir -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: government skill form
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:17, Chang wrote: I just grabbed a copy of a government skill form for Hongkong. I didn't see Linux. It got UNIX, UNIX ADMIN, and IBM AIX though. IBM AIX5L is Linux, you can lie and cheat on your form quite successfully. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IT jobs Floridaot
On January 03, Randy enlightened our ignorance thusly: The 70's were hell on brain cells, I think, it's all just a blur. The normal conversation went something like what are these I don't know just take a couple:). Backup a decade: If you can remember the 60's, you weren't there. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: in mandrake how does
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:59, John Hiemenz wrote: I save initrd for things like emergency boot disks ... makes sense. But I just avoid it. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
re snapshots
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:55, Linux StepByStep wrote: [snip] nicely presented Mr Doug. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: patches/updates
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:57, Schmeits, Roger wrote: How does one handle packages updates on Linux servers? I have noticed on Redhat you pay a subscribition fee whereas Caldera it is a free service. this is not true of a *single* installation (but I note you use the word serverS) the up2date package of Redhat 7.1/7.2 is straight out excellent, It works, and it's a no-brainer 'automatic' update and install. I run it once / week and just let it do it's thing. you first have to type the magic-words rhn_register (it's also available in system-rhn as an icon. If you do in fact have multiple machines, all based on the same distro level, then you can tell up2date to retain the rpm files which it uploads for you. Copy them over and install in the standard manner using kpackage or whatever. It was this package incidentally that made me move to Redhat. I was tired of extracting teeth to get simple things done, like upgrades. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
scp vs sftp was Re: ssh plus PATH
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:32, Ian wrote: But as the Llama pointed out, scp is pretty easy too. except and of course it is single target only meaning you can copy *.thing to/from a specific folder but not a series of different things. This makes it tedious when repetetively typing in the secure password. sftp works much as you would expect any login-style ftp to work. It's one drawback (from my point of view) is that it cannot do command completion, thus 'put' something_starting_with abcd (tab) doesn't work. But other than that, it's standard ftp fare. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps Jan 2
Fokks apologies for anything repeated here, I think New Year's Eve contributed to my confuzion. 2nd KDE - Getting Rid of KDE1 (Bill's way) Bill Day FTP-Server (ammended) Linuxism PALMPILOT-(susan/alan) Bedtime Reading-Print Filters (Joel Hammer) usb-general- change of url to linux-usb.org Bedtime Reading-Hardware driver API's and technical breifs (Mike Andrew) ---CDROM Kernel API ---CDROM Example C Code driver ---IEEE1284 Parallel Interface LS120 Parallel Interface protocol ZIP Parrallel Interface protocols 1st Bedtime Reading - BASH Startup Process Scripts (Chris Kassopulo) -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: otchristmas and its HOT!
On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:50, David A. Bandel wrote: a 'cable' is 200 yards a shackle is about 90 feet a fathom is 6 feet the speed of light is 123 million furlongs per fortnight. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A Happy New Year to all
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:19, Collins Richey wrote: Some of you, of course, are already at next year. Yep, I'm still catching up with what I did do tomorrow, that I'll have to postpone till yesterday. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps #2 Jan 2
USB - Epson Scanner Howto (Jeff/Eugene) -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:02, Ted Ozolins wrote: On another note, I can not seem to be able (or programs) to use ttyS0 or any serial port as a mere mortal. ttySX is owned by root and in the group [snip] temporarily (at least) cripple out GiveConsole and TakeConsole in /etc/X11/~ -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps Jan 1
Bedtime Reading - Print Filters (Joel Hammer) FTP-Server (corrections) (Linuxism) -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTPalm pilots under linux (was: Re: More SxS Steps)
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 05:43, Alan Jackson wrote: Susan wrote Kurt Wrote Folks, this is good stuff and thank you, 75% of an SxS is not so much how to do it, but, in fact, confirmation that it can be done, even and especially when it's simple. I'll put a small blurb of collated material together and publish it. Once done, please feel free to ammend it. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Request for Assistance - Consulting Opportunity For Pay
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 05:12, Collins Richey wrote: rant It would surely be nice if the compiler and library folks could make progress without breaking old things. I still remember (not too fondly) all the havoc that the current glibc generated when it was new. /rant double rant squared THE problem with glibc is that is not a General Library of C at all but a truly confused mish-mash of kernel only specifics and userland generics. A *general* C library is just that. It contains agnostic code such as printf(), strcpy() and others, uses standard headers such as ctype.h . It does not have stupidites in it for kernel locking semaphores, and equally ridiculous and constantly changing header files. If anyone can ever explain to me what the kernel only printk() statement is doing in a *general* library, I'll learn Visual Basic as a punishment. The idea behind a *general* library is to add functions that can *generally* be used. Explain that sentence when kernel code for now-useless SYN packets is a 'good idea'. No better example of the bastardisation they've caused is the requirement to compile using a *general c library for the 'kernel' and another *general* c library for kde and another *general* c library for redhat. The idiocy of a 'general' set of headers in /lib versus a 'general' set of headers for /usr/src/linux, versus an obsolete (but general) set of headers for 'legacy' api's. (ie ones they don't want to fix anymore, thinking of something even more brilliant) If you accept that 90% of truly *general* c functions have worked since year dot, that 10% of those get 'improved' and that 10% of the improved ones cause problems, those problems are insignificant. To mix this with 'improved' kernel functions is either an excercise in stupidty, or much more probably, and indictment of anal retentivity. They can't let go. We pride ourselves on slapping at Microsoft. Idiocy is often closer to $home. This situation will never improve, nor resolve, until the control-freak mentaility is removed from gcc / glibc. The kernel is NOT general and until it is removed from glib we will continue to live in interesting times. No real world busines would ever accept this degree of instability, they'd be fired. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Playing with a webcam
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:58, David Aikema wrote: echo -noxv $HOME/(dot)xawtv Then when starting up I get: /home/david/.xawtv:1: syntax error That was a fix provided for me by the immortal D Bandel. if it troubles you echo $HOME/(dot)xawtv -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps 30th Dec
BEDTIME READING -Hardware Driver API's and Technical Briefs - CDROM API Kernel Driver Description (new) Userland Driver source code IEEE1284 Parallel Interface The LS120 parallel Interface protocol . The Zip parallel Interface protocols. This material has been revised, reformatted and new sections added. Enjoy Mirrors note: This material is now in it's own set of directories. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTFree fix to Filtrix for WP8
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:13, Jim Conner wrote: I remember this going around earlier this year. Just thought I'd pass along the info. It's about the filter for WP8 that expired and was never fixed or updated. It has been and here's the link. http://noframes.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5655mode=threadorder=0t hold=0 Jim this info is already in editors-wordperfect- -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps Dec 28
distros-reviews-redmond ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) distros-reviews-beehive- (Peter King [EMAIL PROTECTED]) icq-licq (Erik Isaksson [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Databases-PostgreSQL and Pg-DBD(peck dickens) -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Playing with a webcam
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:17, David Aikema wrote: Ok... I altered the parameters... and the first time I ran it it crashed my x-server I tried again and this time it opened properly, but I still have some of the fuzziness and half the image blinking green lines. You might find, as I did, that compiling the latest 'n greatest ov511 source from sourceforge will help. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Playing with a webcam
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:26, David Aikema wrote: Apparently xawtv needs to be build from source, altering a few parameters from the looks of things. Might be something to add to the SxS if this works, although the author didn't mention encountering those problems. please re-edit this material, adding this info, and i will republish. Thankx -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Question
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:28, Jer Scanlon wrote: Very obviously a newby, waiting for parts to finish his new Box. Am going to start with Mandrake 8.1. welcome to this wonderful mailing list. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Playing with a webcam
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:09, David Aikema wrote: Can I build just one module w/o rebuilding my kernel? yes. PROVIDING, you have built that kernel at least once before. Whether you compiled an ov511 kernel module is not relevant. (this is the short answer) the ov511 source package includes instructions for making (very standard) below is the top of my make file which has a few modifications because /usr/include does not necessarily contain THE header files you actually want. --- #INCLUDEDIR = /usr/include INCLUDEDIR = /usr/src/linux/include CFLAGS = -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer \ -Wno-trigraphs \ -fno-strict-aliasing \ -fno-common -pipe \ -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 \ -march=i686 \ -I$(INCLUDEDIR) \ -DMODVERSIONS -include /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h OBJS = ov511.o - after compiling, copy the new module (ov511.o) to the current working kernel module directory, as in cp ov511.o /lib/modules/[uname -r]/kernel/drivers/usb/ and run depmod -a -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTPalm pilots under linux (was: Re: More SxS Steps)
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 05:00, Susan Macchia wrote: I second the motion on that. I use Jpilot with my palm as well, but have yet to figure out how to get address labels from the address book. Santa Klaus gave me a palm for Xmas, even though I didn't ask for one in the letter I wrote him. So,, I'm hoping someone can provide a quick write up to save me the effort, as I'd like to see what it can do under Linux. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ok... so its a stupid question
Previously, David Aikema chose to write: mouse usb-ps2 ps2-serial No cigar. The fly in this ointment is that no two ps2-serial adaptors are born equal. They are married to the mouse that they came with. There is no such thing as a 'generic' ps2-serial adaptor. The ps2-serial adaptor that you have is a cheat and a liar, it's ps2 connection is expecting a mouse, a specific oem mouse at that, the last thing it expects is to be hit with is another (male) ps2 connector and I am unaware of any circumstance where what you have will work. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: removal of original kernel in RH 7.2
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:52, Anita Lewis wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:21:19 +1100, James McDonald wrote: Hello All, I don't know if this is a dumb question or not but I have recompiled my RH7.2 Kernel to include support for ntfs and dynamic disk volumes (It's living on the same disk as XP). What I would like to know is there a method of removing the original kernel etc. Or will I break something if I just go in and delete it. Cheers I usually keep the old kernel in /boot and in lilo.conf until I'm sure the new one works. Then I use 'rm' to remove it from /boot along with its matching System.map and I take the stanza for it out of /etc/lilo.conf and rewrite LILO to the mbr. You will be keeping the source and since it is the same kernel, the modules in /lib/modules will have the same directory as the old one. I mention this, because if I change kernel versions, I remove the old source from /usr/src and the old modules as well. You will just be removing the vmlinuz from /boot since you have not changed kernel versions. Just be sure the new one works first. As far as the SOURCE goes, it is complete safe to rm -rf /usr/src/linux-2.4.7-10/ The other directory you can clean out is /lib/modules/2.4.7-10 as this is quite large. Naturally and of course, it is assumed your new kernel is up and running before you do any of the above. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Which kernel?
On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:28, Net Llama wrote: I'd recommend rebuilding the 2.2.12 kernel that you have so that it has the same exact functionality that you're using now. That's really, really *good* advice. *ALOT* of packages will need to be upgraded to get a working 2.4.x kernel. a script exists on the SxS that you can use. It checks your current binaries vs what you actually need. You *must* upgrade these packages before you attempt a 2.4 upgrade. The ppp dialling daemon is the giant killer. You have been warned. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Which kernel?
On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 21:18, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: As for USB support, 2.2.19 seem to be appropriate - worked fine for me with an USB scanner. Yep, it's a good road to take vs the rather large upgrade to 2.4, it's not the kernel that's the problem, it's the revised ancilliary packages that take time to integrate. The one problem with the usb enhanced 2.2. kernels is that they don't hotplug. Many / most of the newer usb creatures coming on the market each week simply wont' work or be detected at 2.2.anything because the author needs to write (in effect) two separate drivers for the same animal and just won't trouble himself to do so. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: cdrw woes
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 02:33, Net Llama wrote: 1) What's the deal with the wacky chained symlinks? Symlinks are a truly horrible idea when it comes to block devices, because most people have no clue what they're trying to do with them (the infamous /dev/cdrom thing on RedHat boxes comes immediately to mind). Try mounting the actual block device, rather than a symlink two levels up. Additionally, the dmesg output you presented indicates that Linux thinks the drive is /dev/sr0, yet /dev/sr0 is a symlink. Linux should be recognizing the actual block devce, not a symlink. No argument. General info for others: devices.txt lists SCSI cdroms as /dev/srX. This is historical. By convention, the names of kernel device driver modules have similarly named labels in the /dev tree. Thus the unfortunately named sr_mod.o (the scsi, cd, device driver) is associated with /dev/srX. Textual information in kernel messages deriving from this driver state /dev/srX as the object of curiosity (eg dmesg and /var/log/messages) However, this is, historical. The preferred labelling is in fact /dev/scdX. devices.txt states this might make more sense. Indeed it does, and conforms better to the xxxCDxxx style labelling conventions employed everywhere else. Thus, as a point of confusion, that you can hunt down over four years in just about any mailing list, either the name sr0 *or* scd0 are *the* answer to cd woes. The reader fails to realise, they both mean the same thing. At least they're meant to be the same, reaiity is different. In a Redhat system (and from memory Caldera), only /dev/scdX exists in the /dev tree. /dev/sr anything does not. This causes some confusion to older versions of burn software, since they are hardwired to look for srX. The answer has been to provide symlinks. In this instance lllama, I have to disagree with you and say, non-generic symlinks are necessary to relieve the pain. A point worth mentioning is that any /dev/name has almost no relevance. They are solely and only used to look up the 'real' address, eg the major minor file node. If you wanted, you could access your scsi cd as /dev/elephants. The name as such has no meaning to the device driver. Secondly, as it applies to IDE cd read/WRITE. There is no such thing. Instead, that CD-RW is emulated in scsi. And it's here that all hell breaks loose, because, the cd REMAINS as an ide cd ROM (sorry for the capital emphasis, trying to make a point) You thus get the all too frequent message on a list that I can read, but not write to my cd Say for instance your ide cd burner is /dev/hdc and it is emulated as /dev/scd0 (alias /dev/sr0) *Assuming* you have all the correct modules loaded, you can mix and match the following (almost) any time you like mount /dev/hdc mount /dev/scd0 ... mount /dev/sr0 The latter two commands achieve an identical effect (one is a symlink of the other) The same drivers are used, eg sr_mod.0, ide-scsi.o, cd_rom.o. This cd is burnable. The first command uses different drivers, specifically ide-cd.o. Bypassing scsi altogether. This same cd is not burnable. The confusion comes via /etc/fstab, because, generally speaking, a mere mortal will use a command like mount /mnt/cdrom . For this command, or anything like it, to work, the mount binary relies on information in the /etc/fstab to 'discover' the real /dev/name. and of course, the entry in fstab is often along the lines of /dev/cdrom == /mnt/cdrom which, of course means another symlink is involved where /dev/cdrom points 'somewhere'. If it points to /dev/scdX, burn baby burn, otherwise, you're looking back at the /dev/hdc ide interface. So, for this reason, I agree with you about /dev/symlinks. generic names suchs as 'cdrom' should be avoided. And finally, the biggest woe is the infamous cryptic modprobe error messages that have bugger all information (or are just plain wrong). These typically occur (and the orginator of this subject seems to have been affected) when the ide-cd.o module got inadvertently loaded. It grabs ownership of the 'node', and no attempts of mount /dev/scd anything will help. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: questions
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:28, zohar wrote: What is UPX file compressor of Visual Basic. What's Visual Basic? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer Recommendations
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the inkjet drivers are binary only -- BFD); combine support with price and features, and Lexmark won hands down over Epson. Your comment has to be respected. A week is a long time in Linux? My comments are about 6 months stale. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: TID Re: ssh public key
On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:23, Net Llama wrote: What if I have a dish washer? That's ok. If you're a Mormon or Muslim. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Linux takeup
Folks, I've just come back from the Netherlands and I think many of you would be interested in the following (mercifully brief) observations I made while there. Europeans on this list would correct me, but these are impressions from an outsider. RS6000's are the name of the game. IBM have a big footprint. I was mildly surprised to see small flat boxes in the corner of just about any travel agent, small insurance office, even landscape gardening centers. I expected to see clusters of the usual wintel workstations and was mildly surprised to see the prevalence of single, AIX4 workstations, not clusters., just a single box doing it's job. The impression I got was NT? what's that? Big Bill is not a player there. (just an impression folks) Secondly, there is a push to migrate these boxen to AIX5L, read the letter L. It means Linux. Most (not all) of the IBM engineers I spoke to had a preference of converting there AIX4 supplied personal machines over to a Linux OS, there and then, for home use. It is common enough (like all engineering toads) to recieve the dregs from their customers. As upgrades were taking place to bigger better faster cpu's (based on the Motorola / IBM / Apple power PC), the older $7,000 boxes were given away, they were immediately 'upgraded' to Linux. There is a burgeoning, highly trained, skilled techno-hacker underpinning Linux in Europe. Thirdly, what Linux OS? Well here's more surprises for me. Not in the outcome, but the prevalance. Walk into just about *any* newsagent or bookstore, and they all have a computer section. Books, Software, Games, and, Operating Systems. In quantities stocked on shelves, Suse was 3:2 against Windows XP. Rehdat ran a poorish third. Only one bookstore stocked Caldera, there were no other distros I noticed (unless the Europeans use cunning packaging, or are French) Averaged prices were as follows in Dutch Guilders. (3 guilders= 1 dollar) Windows XP Professional *600 Windows XP Personal- Upgrade *300 SuSE 7.3 Professional *180 SuSE 7.3 Professional Upgrade *120 SuSE 7.3 Personal *120 Redhat 7.2*120 Some things to note, these weren't 'specials', these were walk in public mom and dad prices at the corner bookstore across Holland, not just Amsterdam. Average stocking on shelves was 3 x XP 5 x Suse 1 x Redhat It would be trite to say Windoze wasn't in the running. The massive games stockpile underpin it. But, the exposure to Linux was in your face and self evident. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mystery with mke2fs -j
everyone wrote about ext3 [snip] It's time for an SxS folks, these questions are becoming very Faq, a simple write up will answer 90% of them. Contribs please. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux Dial-up Server
Does Digiboard work with Linux and is it the best for Linux like it is for Win? digiboard is just fine as are stallion cards. However, going down that particular tunnel will involve you in knowing a fair bit about linux, particularly ppp, and secondary, how to ensure the stallion module (eg) loads at the correct time, ifconfig, ip-up ip-down, etc. This is fine and good, if you want to delve into that area, otherwise, I would recommend an external box dedicated to one thing, initiating connections from 'them' to you to the internet. Most of these external dedicated boxes are accessible via telnet, or, webpage, connect to you via standard ethernet, reduce the quantity of alias eth0 ip number you will have to maintain, and more or less ensure stability of connection versus the constant upgrades and security patches you *will* be doing to the Linux box itself. While I'm not 100% on digiboards, the stallion cards are susceptible to temperature changes and prefer to run in a cooled down environment. 2cents deposited. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux Dial-up Server
Van: Stew Benedict [EMAIL PROTECTED] such. If you want something more at the ISP level, a lot of folks use Livingston Portmaster 2E, but I see now there's radius software out there I've had nothing but solid performance for nearly 2 years now from the above combination. Prior to that it was stallions which are still (unnecessarily) there for backup. I recommend this route (pun intended) _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: USB Zip drive on RH 7.2
- Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] shutdown that I notice a difficulty. BTW, the device will not work if connected at boot-up. It must be connected (or unplugged and re-connected) following boot up to work. would you mind posting output of lsmod please, the OS you are using (SuSE eg) and the trailing lines of /etc/rc.local thanks. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Netscape mail
- Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about using IMAP instead of POP3? Or even something simpler for everyone like web-served email. I use neomail when I am traveling. neomail.sourceforge.net did I lose the plot here? What's wrong with a yahoo account? On kmail you have the option of deleting from the yahoo server, or otherwise. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
