Re: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
Reynolds, Jason M. wrote: What about the "Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles"? More info - http://www.answers.com/topic/robotech-the-shadow-chronicles That is what we were talking about. Oops! Sorry. Thanks for letting me know. Brain lock freeze! ;) BlazeEagle -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
>> Are you referring to the Animeigo release of Macross? That was sub only. Animeigo said that HG blocked a dub release, although some doubt that claim since the release of Mospeada shortly afterwards included the dub. >> Yes. While it was an Animeigo release, Harmony Gold ponied up the cash. They then took the updated footage and released them as Robotech Remastered with the footage that was cut out in the original release. And recently Harmony Gold has started releasing a dubbed version of Macross. http://www.harmonygold.com/catalog_macross.htm http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C1VAWY/qid=1147968698/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6 /102-9370187-4992129?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130 -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
> - Original Message - > From: "Reynolds, Jason M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'list@gundam.com'" > Subject: RE: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross > Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:06:23 -0500 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > There is a method to my madness. Having an, (ahem) "bastardized" > version would mean an authentic one will soon follow on. I've just > heard about North American releases of Go Lion and Dairugger XV the > original versions of Volton and vehicle voltron. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Well Harmony Gold did fund the money for cleaning up the original Macross > and releasing it subbed and dubbed. Are you referring to the Animeigo release of Macross? That was sub only. Animeigo said that HG blocked a dub release, although some doubt that claim since the release of Mospeada shortly afterwards included the dub. junior -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
> There is a method to my madness. Having an, (ahem) "bastardized" version would mean an authentic one will soon follow on. I've just heard about North American releases of Go Lion and Dairugger XV the original versions of Volton and vehicle voltron. > Well Harmony Gold did fund the money for cleaning up the original Macross and releasing it subbed and dubbed. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
What about the "Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles"? More info - http://www.answers.com/topic/robotech-the-shadow-chronicles >> That is what we were talking about. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
James Boren wrote: Given the difficulty they have in making an original sequel, I don't know why Harmony Gold doesn't just grab another Japanese mecha series and shoehorn it into the continuity. I mean Vifam would make a perfect addition to Robotech. OUCH! Are you EVIL or something? But then... whoever (sorry for not knowing) sold Harmony Gold the US rights to Macross etc must have bad mouthed HG so much that no studio executives would even want to be seen near a HG representative. -- Dr. Core There is a method to my madness. Having an, (ahem) "bastardized" version would mean an authentic one will soon follow on. I've just heard about North American releases of Go Lion and Dairugger XV the original versions of Volton and vehicle voltron. -James -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
What about the "Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles"? More info - http://www.answers.com/topic/robotech-the-shadow-chronicles BlazeEagle Reynolds, Jason M. wrote: Given the difficulty they have in making an original sequel, I don't know why Harmony Gold doesn't just grab another Japanese mecha series and shoehorn it into the continuity. I mean Vifam would make a perfect addition to Robotech. They probably want to make a new series where they can own all of the designs for marketing purposes. The Vifam anime doesn't mean much if they don't get the model/toy distribution rights too. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
>>> Given the difficulty they have in making an original sequel, I don't know why Harmony Gold doesn't just grab another Japanese mecha series and shoehorn it into the continuity. I mean Vifam would make a perfect addition to Robotech. > They probably want to make a new series where they can own all of the designs for marketing purposes. The Vifam anime doesn't mean much if they don't get the model/toy distribution rights too. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
> - Original Message - > From: "Dr. Core" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: list@gundam.com > Subject: Re: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross > Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:29:46 -0400 > > > James Boren wrote: > > Given the difficulty they have in making an original sequel, I don't > > know why Harmony Gold doesn't just grab another Japanese mecha series > > and shoehorn it into the continuity. I mean Vifam would make a > > perfect addition to Robotech. > > OUCH! Are you EVIL or something? > > But then... whoever (sorry for not knowing) sold Harmony Gold the US > rights to Macross etc must have bad mouthed HG so much that no studio > executives would even want to be seen near a HG representative. > Things have changed a lot since then... I remember reading some history on Animeigo's website that describes the "What's this?" reaction that Animeigo got when they sent a check to a Japanese company with that company's cut of the better than expected US sales of an anime title. I doubt that any Japanese company would be foolish enough to give Harmony Gold - or any other licensing group - the same rights that Harmony Gold got with Macross. Even Harmony Gold may not have realized how much the agreement would let them lay claim to, given the fact that HG ignored Macross Plus when it was released in the US (HG claims it knew it had the rights all along, but wasn't really paying attention - I have serious doubts about that argument though). These days companies on both sides of the Pacific realize what a potential cash cow a title can be, and new contracts are no doubt carefully written to avoid issues like what happened to Macross. The irony over all of this, of course, is the legal battles in Japan that were taking place a few years ago over whether HG actually licensed Macross from the right company or not. I think Big West was the company that sold the rights to HG. But I might have it reversed, and they might have been the company claiming that HG bought them from the wrong company. And this was hardly a limited thing. I'm convinced that the board game Star Fleet Battles owes its existance to getting licensed (for perpetuity, I suspect) before Paramount realized what a cash cow Star Trek could be. On the other hand, the makers of Star Fleet Battles can't block anyone else from selling pictures of a Federation Constitution-class starship. That's still Paramount's job. junior -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
James Boren wrote: Given the difficulty they have in making an original sequel, I don't know why Harmony Gold doesn't just grab another Japanese mecha series and shoehorn it into the continuity. I mean Vifam would make a perfect addition to Robotech. OUCH! Are you EVIL or something? But then... whoever (sorry for not knowing) sold Harmony Gold the US rights to Macross etc must have bad mouthed HG so much that no studio executives would even want to be seen near a HG representative. -- Dr. Core -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Robotech sequels RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
> >>> Bowie's parents are Vince and Jean Grant. As mentioned, Vince is Claudia's brother. Both are important members of the REF, left with the SDF-3, and are on the cast list for the new, original Robotech series that Harmony Gold is apparently planning on releasing. Are you referring to the Shadow Chronicles? I was under the impression that it was going to be a single movie and not a series. A movie would make more sense because it would be cheaper to make than a full length series. You're right. Though apparently it's been referred to as a 'pilot movie', which is probably what threw me off. So it sounds as if the interest is there in a full series, but the "pilot movie" is a way to inexpensively test the waters. junior Given the difficulty they have in making an original sequel, I don't know why Harmony Gold doesn't just grab another Japanese mecha series and shoehorn it into the continuity. I mean Vifam would make a perfect addition to Robotech. -James -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On 5/13/06, -Z- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday, May 12, 2006 05:35, Boaz wrote:> What area is your research expertise? I'm mostly a RS I here> at work too, though the work degraded a little to programmer> after my boss retired. As you may have surmised from the nature of many of my post, I'm first andforemost a historian.Much of my technical writing consists of compiling the historical background ofa given technology, product or service, with a view to providing the client with a detailed view of how and, where known, why they've arrived at their currentsituation at given point in time, along with the deciding factors at eachjuncture along the way.In order to understand where you are and where you might be going, you have to understand where you (and your partners and competitors) have been.By the way, after a 5-year absence resulting from various health and economicissues, I just signed a 1-year contract to work at Intel again. I'll be writing the onscreen help for the graphical user interface of their new Viiv hardwareproducts.This means that I'll have less time for online activities like this until I getsettled into the new routine but, typically, once I'm back in the groove, the energy I get from challenging intellectual stimulation will spill over intowhatever free time I have, resulting in greater creativity and productivity inmy recreational activities as well.Funny how that works... Also funny that you mentioned GUI. I have a Master degree on Human Computer Interaction, and GUI & technical writing is surely part of my speciality; Computational Vision model is my real speciality. I'm currently a research scientist (yeah, the title people said doesn't exist as a real job) doing mostly software dev for many projects (okay, not many for the moment). I think I can represent all of us here who's been around in GML to hear you well and sound after what happened several years ago. Many of us are merely kids in playsand in the Gundam world (at least even if we're trained to be not so in real world), it's good to have an adult in check. :-) -- Boazhttp://myturnaspace.blogspot.com
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On Friday, May 12, 2006 05:35, Boaz wrote: > What area is your research expertise? I'm mostly a RS I here > at work too, though the work degraded a little to programmer > after my boss retired. As you may have surmised from the nature of many of my post, I'm first and foremost a historian. Much of my technical writing consists of compiling the historical background of a given technology, product or service, with a view to providing the client with a detailed view of how and, where known, why they've arrived at their current situation at given point in time, along with the deciding factors at each juncture along the way. In order to understand where you are and where you might be going, you have to understand where you (and your partners and competitors) have been. By the way, after a 5-year absence resulting from various health and economic issues, I just signed a 1-year contract to work at Intel again. I'll be writing the onscreen help for the graphical user interface of their new Viiv hardware products. This means that I'll have less time for online activities like this until I get settled into the new routine but, typically, once I'm back in the groove, the energy I get from challenging intellectual stimulation will spill over into whatever free time I have, resulting in greater creativity and productivity in my recreational activities as well. Funny how that works... -Z- -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On May 11, 2006, at 11:20 PM, -Z- wrote: On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 09:46, Boaz wrote: I just cut in to this thread and didn't read previous post, so I don't know how it got here, but what I want to say is: -Z-, I'm surprised that with all the knowledge and resources you didn't bother google them. :-) Any fool can search Google. What I do for a living is conduct RESEARCH, much of which I admittedly do online nowadays. It's not enough to just find the data. One must also correlate and authenticate it. What area is your research expertise? I'm mostly a RS I here at work too, though the work degraded a little to programmer after my boss retired. http://brianscache.com/unseen/armored_combat_team.jpg http://www.robotechmuseum.com/models/32.jpg IN fact here's the whole shebang: http://www.robotechmuseum.com/modelsindex.html These only list the Revell line. They don't identify the original Japanese kits that were repackaged. So, again, the original kits remain unidentified. My bad. See, as said I just jumped into the thread; I thought you guys just looking for the existence of the kits. The Combat team set looks like a Soltic plus the combat vehicle set... http://www.geocities.jp/d_force_net/Character/TAKARA/DOUGRAM/72-13.JPG http://f3.aaa.livedoor.jp/~lowlevel/DMZ/CVSET.htm I figure you also wonder if it ever comes with the Soltic in Japan? that I can't tell... I can't tell if the Revell kit comes with the Soltic neither though. The trailer is Bromry-LTR62, though the Revell boxart is showing it in angle I never seen and I never own the kit to know its true shape & size: http://www.geocities.jp/d_force_net/Character/TAKARA/DOUGRAM/72-4.JPG http://f3.aaa.livedoor.jp/~lowlevel/DMZ/LTR62.htm -Z- -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list Boaz - myturnaspace at gmail dot com http://myturnaspace.blogspot.com -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On Thu, 11 May 2006 09:14:55 -0500 "Reynolds, Jason M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> > Hmmm. I still have all the original Comico Robotech comics. > Forgot that > until I saw them again here. > > > Does anyone still have the old limited run DC series? It was a 2 or > 3 part all original miniseries that focused on the Dougram mechs. Yeah, I have both parts of the 3-part mini-series, Robotech Defenders. Apparently it was so bad, DC pulled the plug on it early. -- Linwood Foster, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moderator 3 of 6, Rec.Games.Mecha Moderation Team 10th Lyran Guards, The Revenants. http://www.geocities.com/the_devillin -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:35:00 -0500 "Reynolds, Jason M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> > Bowie's parents are Vince and Jean Grant. As mentioned, Vince is > Claudia's brother. Both are important members of the REF, left with > the SDF-3, and are on the cast list for the new, original Robotech > series that Harmony Gold is apparently planning on releasing. > > > Are you referring to the Shadow Chronicles? I was under the > impression that it was going to be a single movie and not a series. > A movie would make more sense because it would be cheaper > to make than a full length series. Yeah, originally they were going to make it a series. But someone didn't want history to repeat itself, so they shortened it to a "pilot" movie. If the movie does well, then they are going to go ahead with the full series. -- Linwood Foster, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moderator 3 of 6, Rec.Games.Mecha Moderation Team 10th Lyran Guards, The Revenants. http://www.geocities.com/the_devillin -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 09:46, Boaz wrote: > I just cut in to this thread and didn't read previous post, so I > don't know how it got here, but what I want to say is: -Z-, I'm > surprised that with all the knowledge and resources you didn't bother > google them. :-) Any fool can search Google. What I do for a living is conduct RESEARCH, much of which I admittedly do online nowadays. It's not enough to just find the data. One must also correlate and authenticate it. > http://brianscache.com/unseen/armored_combat_team.jpg > http://www.robotechmuseum.com/models/32.jpg > > IN fact here's the whole shebang: > > http://www.robotechmuseum.com/modelsindex.html These only list the Revell line. They don't identify the original Japanese kits that were repackaged. So, again, the original kits remain unidentified. -Z- -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
>>> Hmmm. I still have all the original Comico Robotech comics. Forgot that until I saw them again here. Does anyone still have the old limited run DC series? It was a 2 or 3 part all original miniseries that focused on the Dougram mechs. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
- Original Message - From: "Boaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross I just cut in to this thread and didn't read previous post, so I don't know how it got here, but what I want to say is: -Z-, I'm surprised that with all the knowledge and resources you didn't bother google them. :-) http://brianscache.com/unseen/armored_combat_team.jpg http://www.robotechmuseum.com/models/32.jpg IN fact here's the whole shebang: http://www.robotechmuseum.com/modelsindex.html Boaz - Hmmm. I still have all the original Comico Robotech comics. Forgot that until I saw them again here. ** W.A. Bob Allen EARTH FIRST! - We'll log the other planets later! -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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It was a particular nasty Dougram kit that caused me to quit mecha modelling for more than 15 years. So I've been hoping to get a (reissue) kit and build a decent Dougram. Conquer my inner demon, if you will... Which one? I have been trying to build the Mackeral but had problems because the plastic was so brittle. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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Boaz wrote: http://www.robotechmuseum.com/modelsindex.html It was a particular nasty Dougram kit that caused me to quit mecha modelling for more than 15 years. So I've been hoping to get a (reissue) kit and build a decent Dougram. Conquer my inner demon, if you will... -- Dr. Core -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
> - Original Message - > From: "Reynolds, Jason M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'list@gundam.com'" > Subject: RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:35:00 -0500 > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > Bowie's parents are Vince and Jean Grant. As mentioned, Vince is Claudia's > brother. Both are important members of the REF, left with the SDF-3, and > are on the cast list for the new, original Robotech series that Harmony Gold > is apparently planning on releasing. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > Are you referring to the Shadow Chronicles? I was under the impression that > it was going to be a single movie and not a series. A movie would make more > sense because it would be cheaper to make than a full length series. You're right. Though apparently it's been referred to as a 'pilot movie', which is probably what threw me off. So it sounds as if the interest is there in a full series, but the "pilot movie" is a way to inexpensively test the waters. junior -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
>>> Bowie's parents are Vince and Jean Grant. As mentioned, Vince is Claudia's brother. Both are important members of the REF, left with the SDF-3, and are on the cast list for the new, original Robotech series that Harmony Gold is apparently planning on releasing. Are you referring to the Shadow Chronicles? I was under the impression that it was going to be a single movie and not a series. A movie would make more sense because it would be cheaper to make than a full length series. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
> - Original Message - > From: "-Z-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: list@gundam.com > Subject: RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:13:49 -0700 > > > On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 08:52, Jason M. Reynolds wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Jeanne Fránçaix became the grown-up version of Dana Sterling > > (Komilia Maria Fallyna Jenius), daughter of Max Sterling > > (Maximilian Jenius) and Milia (Miriya Parino). Bowie Emerson, > > son of Rolf Emerson, became the son of Bowie Grant, the son of > > Claudia Grant (Claudia LaSalle) and the late Roy Fokker. This is > > just about all that connect the Macross segment with the Southern > > Cross segment, casting it as the 2nd Generation of Robotech. > > Mospeada, of course, would subsequently be cast as the New > > Generation... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > You are confused about Bowie. In Robotech there is no Bowie > > Emerson. His dad was Claudia's brother who went off on the > > Sentinel mission. IIRC Rolf was acting as sort of a foster > > parent while Bowie's real parents were off to Tirol. It would be > > impossible for Bowie to be Claudia's grandson and be the same age > > as Max and Miriya's daughter. > > I thought I'd at least made it clear that Bowie Emerson (Southern > Cross) became > Bowie Grant (Robotech Masters), but I'll allow as how I only assumed he was > direct descendent of Claudia and presumed from that he must also be descended > from Roy Fokker. > Actually, you'd said he was the SON of Bowie Grant. :P Bowie's parents are Vince and Jean Grant. As mentioned, Vince is Claudia's brother. Both are important members of the REF, left with the SDF-3, and are on the cast list for the new, original Robotech series that Harmony Gold is apparently planning on releasing. junior -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On May 10, 2006, at 12:45 PM, -Z- wrote: On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 18:10, Chris Beilby wrote: -Z- wrote: The Robotech Defender "Armored Combat Team" (1191) is as yet unidentified. The Robotech Defender "Robot Recovery Unit" (1194) is as yet unidentified. These two are also Dougram kits, based on support vehicles from the anime. Unless you can NAME the specific Dougram kits repackaged by Revell, at least to the degree that I've done with the others, I'm afraid they still remain "unidentified"... -Z- I just cut in to this thread and didn't read previous post, so I don't know how it got here, but what I want to say is: -Z-, I'm surprised that with all the knowledge and resources you didn't bother google them. :-) http://brianscache.com/unseen/armored_combat_team.jpg http://www.robotechmuseum.com/models/32.jpg IN fact here's the whole shebang: http://www.robotechmuseum.com/modelsindex.html Boaz - myturnaspace at gmail dot com http://myturnaspace.blogspot.com -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On Wednesday, May 10, 2006 08:52, Jason M. Reynolds wrote: > > Jeanne Fránçaix became the grown-up version of Dana Sterling > (Komilia Maria Fallyna Jenius), daughter of Max Sterling > (Maximilian Jenius) and Milia (Miriya Parino). Bowie > Emerson, son of Rolf Emerson, became the son of Bowie Grant, > the son of Claudia Grant (Claudia LaSalle) and the late Roy > Fokker. This is just about all that connect the Macross > segment with the Southern Cross segment, casting it as the > 2nd Generation of Robotech. Mospeada, of course, would > subsequently be cast as the New Generation... > >>> > > You are confused about Bowie. In Robotech there is no Bowie > Emerson. His dad was Claudia's brother who went off on the > Sentinel mission. IIRC Rolf was acting as sort of a foster > parent while Bowie's real parents were off to Tirol. It > would be impossible for Bowie to be Claudia's grandson and be > the same age as Max and Miriya's daughter. I thought I'd at least made it clear that Bowie Emerson (Southern Cross) became Bowie Grant (Robotech Masters), but I'll allow as how I only assumed he was direct descendent of Claudia and presumed from that he must also be descended from Roy Fokker. In any case, I neglected to mention that, since Claudia (and whatever other kin Bowie may have had) had supposedly left with the Robotech Expeditionary Force, Bowie had become the ward of Rolf Emerson, thus establishing an echo of their actual relationship in SC. It should be apparent that, although Robotech Masters was what first drew me in and got me interested in Robotech back when, I soon became so enamored of the original Southern Cross that I've forgotten most of what I once knew of the English adaptation. Ditto Macross and Mospeada. And, for what it may be worth, I came to love Orguss, the third Super Dimensional series, even more, although Southern Cross is a very close second. Maybe it's just the Haruhiko Mikimoto character designs. Or maybe it's that, just as Giant Gorg is an homage to King Kong, Orguss is essentially an homage to Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky... Z -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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Jeanne Fránçaix became the grown-up version of Dana Sterling (Komilia Maria Fallyna Jenius), daughter of Max Sterling (Maximilian Jenius) and Milia (Miriya Parino). Bowie Emerson, son of Rolf Emerson, became the son of Bowie Grant, the son of Claudia Grant (Claudia LaSalle) and the late Roy Fokker. This is just about all that connect the Macross segment with the Southern Cross segment, casting it as the 2nd Generation of Robotech. Mospeada, of course, would subsequently be cast as the New Generation... >>> You are confused about Bowie. In Robotech there is no Bowie Emerson. His dad was Claudia's brother who went off on the Sentinel mission. IIRC Rolf was acting as sort of a foster parent while Bowie's real parents were off to Tirol. It would be impossible for Bowie to be Claudia's grandson and be the same age as Max and Miriya's daughter. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 16:26, Ming Cheung wrote: > Z, > > You are amazing. I can't even keep my kids' names straight. > > Ming I kept my mental processes sharp by not having children... (^_^);; Seriously, though, during the 80s, when all this cross-merchandising was going on and toys and models from one Japanese anime was being marketed under other names, I was quite actively involved in tracking and documenting this phenomenon for fanzines like Anime UK and Mecha*Press. Since I was also involved in the early PC hobbyist scene, I recorded my findings in ASCII data files, which I subsequently maintained on the various computer systems I've owned throughout the years. As a result, I can still retrieve that information even now. -Z- -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 21:04, James Boren wrote: > I've heard that SC was the series that was the most chopped up to fit > into Robotech. Is it very different from the way it plays in Robotech? Robotech Masters is an almost complete inversion of Southern Cross. First of all, the planet Grolier in the Epsilon Eridani star system is recast as the planet Earth. Much editing had to be done simply to remove the second moon from the night-sky scenes, along with much rewriting to justify two campaigns on the Moon, when in the original it was a single campaign each on TWO moons. The Protozol became the Protoculture, which is why the term had to be changed in the Macross segment from a label for the common genetic heritage of human, Zentraedi and Meltraedi into a biological power source. The Protozol themselves went from being a nonhuman intelligence to a psychoactive flower. The Zol, instead of being human/Protozol hybrids, became the Master Race that created the Zentraedi and Meltraedi by genetically reengineering captured hominids. Jeanne Fránçaix became the grown-up version of Dana Sterling (Komilia Maria Fallyna Jenius), daughter of Max Sterling (Maximilian Jenius) and Milia (Miriya Parino). Bowie Emerson, son of Rolf Emerson, became the son of Bowie Grant, the son of Claudia Grant (Claudia LaSalle) and the late Roy Fokker. This is just about all that connect the Macross segment with the Southern Cross segment, casting it as the 2nd Generation of Robotech. Mospeada, of course, would subsequently be cast as the New Generation... Z -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 18:10, Chris Beilby wrote: > -Z- wrote: > > > The Robotech Defender "Armored Combat Team" (1191) is as > > yet unidentified. > > > > The Robotech Defender "Robot Recovery Unit" (1194) is as > > yet unidentified. > > These two are also Dougram kits, based on support vehicles > from the anime. Unless you can NAME the specific Dougram kits repackaged by Revell, at least to the degree that I've done with the others, I'm afraid they still remain "unidentified"... -Z- -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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I've heard that SC was the series that was the most chopped up to fit into Robotech. Is it very different from the way it plays in Robotech? -James At 06:10 PM 5/3/2006, Dr. Core wrote: Any SC fans out there? Bit late here, but...yeah! I actually liked (some of) the mecha designs; the attack chopper (forget the name at the moment...it was called the Ajaxx in the Robotech version) was inspired, and the tanks were quite functional. I also liked the general layout of the military, as it seems very organic to me; we had a space corps, a tactical corps, a recon corps, different corps for specialized environments, and so on. Very cool. Also, as Z said, the story rocked. Putting the main cast in the uncomfortable position of being land thieves (even if they're second generation) is pretty novel for an anime series, and remarkably timely even (perhaps especially) today. So, yeah, big thumbs' up here. Oh, and I'm very much a Marie Angel fan. Go figure. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gmlHelp: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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-Z- wrote: The Robotech Defender "Armored Combat Team" (1191) is as yet unidentified. The Robotech Defender "Robot Recovery Unit" (1194) is as yet unidentified. These two are also Dougram kits, based on support vehicles from the anime. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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Z, You are amazing. I can't even keep my kids' names straight. Ming On 5/9/06, Reynolds, Jason M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Disregard my previous message. I looked and Z did mention the Nebo versionlater on in his post. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf OfReynolds, Jason M.Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:42 PM To: 'list@gundam.com'Subject: RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross>>>>>>>>>>>>Robotech Changer "Orguss" (1001?) is the Orguss Emaan "Orguss" Veritech-transformable to three modes: Battloid, GERWALK and Spud Fighter.>>>>>>>>>>>This was actually called Nebo in the Robotech line.-- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.comArchives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list--The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.comArchives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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Disregard my previous message. I looked and Z did mention the Nebo version later on in his post. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reynolds, Jason M. Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:42 PM To: 'list@gundam.com' Subject: RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross >>>>>>>>>>>> Robotech Changer "Orguss" (1001?) is the Orguss Emaan "Orguss" Veritech-transformable to three modes: Battloid, GERWALK and Spud Fighter. >>>>>>>>>>> This was actually called Nebo in the Robotech line. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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Robotech Changer "Orguss" (1001?) is the Orguss Emaan "Orguss" Veritech-transformable to three modes: Battloid, GERWALK and Spud Fighter. >>> This was actually called Nebo in the Robotech line. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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On Monday, May 08, 2006 14:39, Joseph Riggs wrote: > Unfortunately, the single image in the old RPG book was of > unusually poor quality. And I don't own the books anymore. > Plus they've been out of print for several years. So there's > no way to compare it to the descriptions you provided. On > the other hand, for some reason the mention of the aquatic > mecha has always put me in mind of the 'Aqualo' (I think that > was the name; it's been a while...) model from Revell's > Robotech line-up (as previously mentioned in this forum, no > relation to Harmony Gold). But it's been long enough that > I've no idea whether the two actually look similar, or > whether it's just a matter of me connecting two underwater mecha. For what it may be worth, the Robotech Defender "Aqualo" (1148) is the Dougram H404S "Mackerel" Marine Combat Armor, manufactured by Takara and repackaged by Revell. Revell's entire Robotech line were all from either Arii or Takara. Of the dozens of models marketed under the Robotech banner, most came from Super Dimensional Fortress Macross-which was, after all, the first thirty-six episodes of the composite American series-but at least nine came from Super Dimensional Century Orguss and another dozen or so came from Sun's Fang Dougram. While a case could be made for the Orguss models-the Orguss series was originally intended as the third and final segment of Robotech, until expenses forced a switch to the less costly Genesis Climber Mospeada-and being a related design-wise to Macross, there's no connection whatsoever between Robotech and Dougram. For those who, like myself, find such trivia of interest, here's the complete Revell Robotech line's model substitution scorecard: Robotech Changer "Orguss" (1001?) is the Orguss Emaan "Orguss" Veritech-transformable to three modes: Battloid, GERWALK and Spud Fighter. Robotech Changer "Nikick" (1002?) is the Orguss Terram Air Force 03-01-H "Nikick" Standard-Type Fighter-transformable to two modes: Battloid and GERWALK. Robotech Changer "Olson" (1003) is the Orguss Emaan "Olson Special Orguss Mark III" Veritech-transformable to four modes: Battloid, GERWALK, Spud Fighter and Sonic Tank. Robotech Changer "Orguss II" (1004) is the Orguss Emaan "Orguss Mark II" Veritech-transformable to four modes: Battloid, GERWALK, Spud Fighter and Sonic Tank. Robotech Changer "Drifand Dal" (1005) is the Orguss Terram Air Force "Drifand Dal" 3-legged Walker Tank-transformable to two modes: Walker and Assault Gun. Robotech Space Fortress SDF-1 (1125) is the Macross SDF-1 in Space Fortress Cruiser mode-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Excalibur" Mark VI (1126) is the Macross MBR-04 "Tomahawk" Mark VI Destroid-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Raidar-X" Mark X (1127?) is the Macross ADR-04 "Defender" Mark X Destroid-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Gladiator" Mark II (1128?) is the Macross MBR-07 "Spartan" Mark II Destroid-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Spartan" Mark XII (1129?) is the Macross SDR-04 "Phalanx" Mark XII Destroid-not transformable. The Robotech Defender "Recon Team" (1135) is a Macross VF-1D "Valkyrie" Battloid and VF-1S "Valkyrie" Fighter-not transformable. The Robotech Defender "Tactical Unit" (1136) is a Macross VF-1A "Valkyrie" Battloid and VF-1D "Valkyrie" GERWALK-not transformable. The Robotech Defender "Ground Attackers" (1137) is a Macross VF-1A "Valkyrie" Armored Battloid and VF-1J "Valkyrie" GERWALK-not transformable. The Robotech Defender "Allied Forces" (1138) is a Macross VF-1S "Valkyrie" Armored Battloid and VF-1J "Valkyrie" Fighter-not transformable. The Robotech Defender "Sniper Squad" (1139) is a Macross VF-1D "Valkyrie" Battloid and VF-1S "Valkyrie" Fighter-not transformable. The Robotech Defender "Search Patrol" (1140) is a Macross VF-1D "Valkyrie" Armored Battloid and VF-1A "Valkyrie" GERWALK-not transformable. Robotech Attack Fortress SDF-1 (1143) is the Macross SDF-1 in Storm Attack Trooper mode-not transformable. Robotech Space Fortress SDF-1 (1144) is the Macross SDF-1 in Space Fortress Cruiser mode-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Exaxes" (1145) is the Orguss Terram Air Force MGB-21F-1 "Ishforn" Command-Type Fighter in GERWALK mode-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Decimax" (1146) is the Orguss Terram Air Force 03-01-H "Nikick" Standard-Type Fighter in Battloid mode-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Ziyon" (1149) is the Dougram Soltic HT-128 "Bigfoot" Combat Armor-not transformable. (Some irony here, given the phonetic pronunciation of "Ziyon"...) Robotech Defender "Thoren" (1150) is the Dougram Soltic H8 "Roundfacer" Combat Armor-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Zoltek" (1151) is the Dougram D7 "Dougram" Combat Armor-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Condar" (1152) is the Dougram Soltic H-102 "Bushman" Combat Armor-not transformable. Robotech Defender "Talos" (1153) is the Dougram T-10B "Blockhead" Combat Armor-not transformable. Robotech Defe
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
> - Original Message - > From: "-Z-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: list@gundam.com > Subject: RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross > Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:18:02 -0700 > > > On Monday, May 08, 2006 10:12, Joseph Riggs wrote: > > > Reportedly, there's also a mecha that didn't make it into the > > finished product that was designed as an aquatic unit of some > > sort. And that would suggest that an aquatic corps wouldn't be > > out of the question either. iirc, it's the unit listed as a > > 'worker bioroid' in Palladium's Robotech RPG (and the notes in > > the book mention that it was most likely supposed to be a human > > aquatic unit in the original series, and not a bioroid). > > Well, there were two aquatic Tactical Corps units, the Navy Division (NAD) and > the Marsh Squad (MAS). NAD conducted deep-sea and amphibious > operations and had > the Arming Doublet that resembled an armored "frogman" outfit, complete with > flippers and a distinctive double-barreled particle gun. MAS patrolled the > Grolier wetlands and, when not busy with military duties, assisted > rice farmers. > *snip* Unfortunately, the single image in the old RPG book was of unusually poor quality. And I don't own the books anymore. Plus they've been out of print for several years. So there's no way to compare it to the descriptions you provided. On the other hand, for some reason the mention of the aquatic mecha has always put me in mind of the 'Aqualo' (I think that was the name; it's been a while...) model from Revell's Robotech line-up (as previously mentioned in this forum, no relation to Harmony Gold). But it's been long enough that I've no idea whether the two actually look similar, or whether it's just a matter of me connecting two underwater mecha. junior -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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On Monday, May 08, 2006 10:12, Joseph Riggs wrote: > Reportedly, there's also a mecha that didn't make it into the > finished product that was designed as an aquatic unit of some > sort. And that would suggest that an aquatic corps wouldn't > be out of the question either. iirc, it's the unit listed as > a 'worker bioroid' in Palladium's Robotech RPG (and the notes > in the book mention that it was most likely supposed to be a > human aquatic unit in the original series, and not a bioroid). Well, there were two aquatic Tactical Corps units, the Navy Division (NAD) and the Marsh Squad (MAS). NAD conducted deep-sea and amphibious operations and had the Arming Doublet that resembled an armored "frogman" outfit, complete with flippers and a distinctive double-barreled particle gun. MAS patrolled the Grolier wetlands and, when not busy with military duties, assisted rice farmers. In addition the transformable mecha like the Spartas, Logan and Auroran, there were also nontransformable battloids or giant robots. (It's not clear whether they were piloted or not.) The big samurai-armor-looking thingy being transported on a flatbed hovertruck that Jeanne and her team ran roughshod over on their hoverbikes during one of the rampages through town was a GMP-SCP-05 Golem police robot. It's basically a Patlabor, except that it can run autonomously, albeit with a notoriously primitive AI, so even when running unpiloted it's usually assigned a human partner to direct it verbally. Other robots include the Basilisk (DES), Dryad (FOS), Satyros (MOS), Triton (MAS) and Unicorn (CDU). Your mystery "human aquatic unit" might be the Marsh Squad's Triton. Both the Triton and Unicorn bear some resemblance to the Zol bioroid. Also, the NAD used a Deep Dive Armor, called the Kraken, that was much more substantial than its standard Arming Doublet. This, too, has some resemblance to the Zol bioroid, especially with the parallel vertical hoses connecting its shoulder-mounted backpack to the unidentified unit (rebreather?) on its lower chest/upper abdomen, which makes it similar to the Type II bioroids piloted, in triads, by the Biopsychers (tripartite Zol pilots rather than brainwashed Biohumans). These bioroids have segmented hoses running down from the shoulders and connecting at navel-level atop a "codpiece" unit. Earlier models, such as the one in which Seifriet was captured, had only a single hose. And, of course, it could've been the late model bioroids that never made to animation on account of the series being discontinued and wrapped in a single season. Some line art for this model was subsequently reproduced by Matchbox/Harmony Gold and labeled as the Robotech Invid Fighter Bioroid. -Z- -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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> - Original Message - > From: "-Z-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: list@gundam.com > Subject: RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross > Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:32:51 -0700 > > > There're so many divisions that you really need a guidebook: Grolier Military > Police (GMP), Cities Defense Unit (CDU), Cities Defense Flying Corps (CDFC), > Interstellar Transport Corps (ITC), Tactical Air Force (TAF), Tactical Space > Corps (TSC) and Tactical Corps (TC). Within the TC, there's the Navy Division > (NAD), Reconnaisance Patrol (REP), Marsh Squad (MAS), Cold Squad > (COS), Mountain > Squad (MOS), Forest Squad (FOS) and Desert Squad (DES). Each unit has its own > distinct Arming Doublet design and military crest. > > In addition to combat units, there's also a Logistics Corps, Medical Corps and > Transport Corps, which don't have distinctive unit insignia, > presumably because > they don't have to maintain the same unit cohesion and showy "esprit de corps" > as the elite fighting units. > Reportedly, there's also a mecha that didn't make it into the finished product that was designed as an aquatic unit of some sort. And that would suggest that an aquatic corps wouldn't be out of the question either. iirc, it's the unit listed as a 'worker bioroid' in Palladium's Robotech RPG (and the notes in the book mention that it was most likely supposed to be a human aquatic unit in the original series, and not a bioroid). junior -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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On Sunday, May 07, 2006 17:35, Chris Campbell wrote: > Bit late here, but...yeah! I actually liked (some of) the mecha > designs; the attack chopper (forget the name at the moment...it was > called the Ajax in the Robotech version) was inspired, and the tanks > were quite functional. I also liked the general layout of the > military, as it seems very organic to me; we had a space corps, a > tactical corps, a recon corps, different corps for specialized > environments, and so on. Very cool. The three-mode (Helicopter, Jet, Battloid) fighter was the TASC-SCF-02 Auroran. It's used by the Tactical Armored Space Corps (TASC) and was introduced as a replacement for the TASC-SCF-02 Logan two-mode (Jet, Gerwalk/Flying Walker) fighter. The three-mode (Sniping Clapper, Gerwalk/Walking Cannon, Battloid) hovertank was the ATAC-SCA-01 Spartas, used by the Alpha Tactical Armored Corps (ATAC). There's also the Flash Clapper hoverbike (which is actually more of a "trike" than a "bike"), which was used by both the ATAC and GMP. There're so many divisions that you really need a guidebook: Grolier Military Police (GMP), Cities Defense Unit (CDU), Cities Defense Flying Corps (CDFC), Interstellar Transport Corps (ITC), Tactical Air Force (TAF), Tactical Space Corps (TSC) and Tactical Corps (TC). Within the TC, there's the Navy Division (NAD), Reconnaisance Patrol (REP), Marsh Squad (MAS), Cold Squad (COS), Mountain Squad (MOS), Forest Squad (FOS) and Desert Squad (DES). Each unit has its own distinct Arming Doublet design and military crest. In addition to combat units, there's also a Logistics Corps, Medical Corps and Transport Corps, which don't have distinctive unit insignia, presumably because they don't have to maintain the same unit cohesion and showy "esprit de corps" as the elite fighting units. -Z- -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
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According to This Is Animation #10: Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross, Seifriet was a brainwashed field commander of the Zol forces, for which he operated the Early-Term Type II Custom bioroid. Seifriet was born and raised on the planet Liberty in the Proxima system before being transferred to Grolier in the Eridani system. He was initially captured while stationed on the ALICE Research & Development Center on the moon Alpha. The Zol surgically brainwashed Seifriet to be their willing commander and intentionally shot him down so they could use him as a spy to discover the plans of the Southern Cross High Command. He succeeded in this mission, which results in the crippling of a number of the Grolier Tactical Space Fleets. When Seifriet discovers what the Zol have done to him he swears vengeance against his former Zol commanders. The background of the Zol given in this book is somewhat incoherent and confusing, as if the writers want to have their cake and eat it, too. Here, the original inhabitants of Grolier, the Protozol, were tri-flowered intelligent plants that somehow merged with the first wave of human colonists, who were refugees from a nuclear war on Earth, to become the Zol. Despite the supposedly benign influence of the Protozol, the Zol eventually reverted to the warlike ways of the human forebears and eventually Grolier, too, was all but destroyed in a nuclear war. The surviving Zol evacuated the planet in giant cityships, in which they maintain the bulk of the population in suspended animation until such time as the planet regenerated and healed itself through natural processes, presumably aided and accelerated by Protozol biotechnology, although that's not explicitly stated. Meanwhile, in an effort to prevent future wars, each Zol psyche was divided into three identical and psychically-linked physical bodies cloned from the original individual, each embodying one aspect of the persona. One is the master of Decision, one of Observation and one of Action. (It's not said explicitly here, but I think they may also be intended to represent the Id, the Ego and the Superego.) Unfortunately, while the Zol were off in some distant part of the Grolier solar system perfecting themselves and their new tripartite psyches, a second wave of human colonists arrived and occupied the now-unoccupied and all but completely regenerated planet. It was then that the Zol returned in force to reclaim their world, hopefully before it was destroyed by the unregenerate "atavistic" humans. In order to supplement their numbers and gain insight into the enemy, the Zol captured humans and brainwashed them into willing combatants called Biohumans. Only a handful of Zol are actually referred to by name. Fleet Commander Desu/Dera/Demi (eng. Bowkaz/Saizan/Dag) Vanguard Commander Zosma/Zosmo/Zosmu (eng. Nimmul/Hepsis/Fallagar) Technology Officer Vieda/Viea/Viera (eng. Clonemaster Jeddar) Bioroid Pilot Faido/Faida/Faizu Intelligence Officer Migeru/Migea/Migere Pacifier Musica/Musie/Musel (eng. Musica/Octavia/Allegra) -Z- > Awesome! Thanks Z!!! -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On Friday, May 05, 2006 12:38, Jason M. Reynolds wrote: > What was the premise of Seifriet Weisse's involvement with > the Humans in the original series? According to This Is Animation #10: Super Dimensional Cavalry Southern Cross, Seifriet was a brainwashed field commander of the Zol forces, for which he operated the Early-Term Type II Custom bioroid. Seifriet was born and raised on the planet Liberty in the Proxima system before being transferred to Grolier in the Eridani system. He was initially captured while stationed on the ALICE Research & Development Center on the moon Alpha. The Zol surgically brainwashed Seifriet to be their willing commander and intentionally shot him down so they could use him as a spy to discover the plans of the Southern Cross High Command. He succeeded in this mission, which results in the crippling of a number of the Grolier Tactical Space Fleets. When Seifriet discovers what the Zol have done to him he swears vengeance against his former Zol commanders. The background of the Zol given in this book is somewhat incoherent and confusing, as if the writers want to have their cake and eat it, too. Here, the original inhabitants of Grolier, the Protozol, were tri-flowered intelligent plants that somehow merged with the first wave of human colonists, who were refugees from a nuclear war on Earth, to become the Zol. Despite the supposedly benign influence of the Protozol, the Zol eventually reverted to the warlike ways of the human forebears and eventually Grolier, too, was all but destroyed in a nuclear war. The surviving Zol evacuated the planet in giant cityships, in which they maintain the bulk of the population in suspended animation until such time as the planet regenerated and healed itself through natural processes, presumably aided and accelerated by Protozol biotechnology, although that's not explicitly stated. Meanwhile, in an effort to prevent future wars, each Zol psyche was divided into three identical and psychically-linked physical bodies cloned from the original individual, each embodying one aspect of the persona. One is the master of Decision, one of Observation and one of Action. (It's not said explicitly here, but I think they may also be intended to represent the Id, the Ego and the Superego.) Unfortunately, while the Zol were off in some distant part of the Grolier solar system perfecting themselves and their new tripartite psyches, a second wave of human colonists arrived and occupied the now-unoccupied and all but completely regenerated planet. It was then that the Zol returned in force to reclaim their world, hopefully before it was destroyed by the unregenerate "atavistic" humans. In order to supplement their numbers and gain insight into the enemy, the Zol captured humans and brainwashed them into willing combatants called Biohumans. Only a handful of Zol are actually referred to by name. Fleet Commander Desu/Dera/Demi (eng. Bowkaz/Saizan/Dag) Vanguard Commander Zosma/Zosmo/Zosmu (eng. Nimmul/Hepsis/Fallagar) Technology Officer Vieda/Viea/Viera (eng. Clonemaster Jeddar) Bioroid Pilot Faido/Faida/Faizu Intelligence Officer Migeru/Migea/Migere Pacifier Musica/Musie/Musel (eng. Musica/Octavia/Allegra) -Z- -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
At 06:10 PM 5/3/2006, Dr. Core wrote: Any SC fans out there? Bit late here, but...yeah! I actually liked (some of) the mecha designs; the attack chopper (forget the name at the moment...it was called the Ajaxx in the Robotech version) was inspired, and the tanks were quite functional. I also liked the general layout of the military, as it seems very organic to me; we had a space corps, a tactical corps, a recon corps, different corps for specialized environments, and so on. Very cool. Also, as Z said, the story rocked. Putting the main cast in the uncomfortable position of being land thieves (even if they're second generation) is pretty novel for an anime series, and remarkably timely even (perhaps especially) today. So, yeah, big thumbs' up here. Oh, and I'm very much a Marie Angel fan. Go figure. -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
Reynolds, Jason M. wrote: What was the premise of Seifriet Weisse's involvement with the Humans in the original series? Just google, it seems he's kind of the SC version of Four. -- Dr. Core -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
What was the premise of Seifriet Weisse's involvement with the Humans in the original series? -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
-Z- wrote: Not cut in the sense of being removed entirely, but they were edited to the extent of skipping over Jeanne's buttocks. The ADVFilm version shows a much simpler but definitely R-rated shot. The camera pans steadily from the feet to the head as she turns to face the camera, clearly exposing her buttocks and chest, no glass walls, no obscuring steam or anything. For what it may be worth, Jeanne was shown in the shower in several episodes, more often in fact than I can remember in any other anime series airing at that time. This may have been intentional, because the title of the Southern Cross BGM album was "Shower Cologne"... The shower scenes are clearly intended as fan service. But the director made some effort to justify them. In the first 5 episodes alone, she talked openly about her personal hygiene to anyone who would listen, including her superiors and all male subordinates, which is at least unusual and at worst improper. So in addition to strong combat instinct, reckless shoot-from-the-hip behaviors, chalk up a particular fondness for showers (I am not going to look up the latin word) to her distinctive personality. She also use the shower as therapy or a quiet time to digest the day's events, especially the combats. So while externally she seems unpredictable and reckless, the audience can see her comtemplative interior during the shower scenes. My wife rolls her eyes at the nudity but I think it's a bit more than the totally shallowness of most fan service in anime. -- Dr. Core -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:05, Dr. Core wrote: > -Z- wrote: > > Here! In fact, while everyone else was oohing and aahing > over the Macross > > A frivolous question if you don't mind. Were the shower scenes cut > from the Robotech remix? Not cut in the sense of being removed entirely, but they were edited to the extent of skipping over Jeanne's buttocks. Typically, Jeanne was shown in the shower almost entirely from behind, with an opaque divider in the glass walls and door at hip level in the long shot, followed by a close up of her feet panning up, with a cutaway when the camera reached thigh level, returning to close-up of her back and shoulders. For what it may be worth, Jeanne was shown in the shower in several episodes, more often in fact than I can remember in any other anime series airing at that time. This may have been intentional, because the title of the Southern Cross BGM album was "Shower Cologne"... -Z- -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
> - Original Message - > From: "Dr. Core" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: list@gundam.com > Subject: Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross > Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:04:37 -0400 > > > -Z- wrote: > > Here! In fact, while everyone else was oohing and aahing over the Macross > > A frivolous question if you don't mind. Were the shower scenes cut > from the Robotech remix? > Are you asking about Macross or Southern Cross? I'm not familiar enough about the latter to know (I think I saw a grand total of two episodes due to my parents' views on TV watching at the time, and some strange confluence of events that ensured that pretty much whenever I watched episodes of Robotech it was the Macross or Mospeada segments). The Robotech version of the former has the Minmei shower scene with no nudity shown - but I don't think there's any in the TV version of Macross to begin with (iirc, you don't actually see Minmei while she's bathing - as opposed to the DYRL movie version where she's shown from the waist up). junior -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
Re: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
-Z- wrote: Here! In fact, while everyone else was oohing and aahing over the Macross A frivolous question if you don't mind. Were the shower scenes cut from the Robotech remix? -- Dr. Core -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
RE: [gundam] [OT] Southern Cross
On Wednesday, May 03, 2006 15:10, Dr. Core wrote: > Any SC fans out there? Here! In fact, while everyone else was oohing and aahing over the Macross segment of Robotech, it was Southern Cross segment, now generally known as the Robotech Masters segment, that first drew me into that composite show. Of the Heroic Trio, my favorite is Lana Isavia (Nova Satori), the most direct foil of the hot-headed Jeanne Françaix (Dana Sterling). She's to Southern Cross what Kanuka Clancy was to Patlabor, in competence as well as looks and demeanor. On thing I found especially interesting was the fact that the overall design was based on Mitteleuropean, if not outright Swiss, motifs. This is reflected in the character names as much as in the Arming Doublets exoskeletal armor. Marie Angel (Marie Crystal) Andrzej Slawski (Angelo Dante) Charles de Etouard (Sean Phillips) Louis DuCasse (Louis Nichols) Bowie Emerson (Bowie Grant) Rolf Emerson (Rolf Emerson) Claude Leon (Anatole Leonard) Seifriet Weisse (Zor Prime) The other thing that struck me was the fact that original storyline is a complete inversion of the what it became in the English version, as well as being a departure from the anime of the time in general. The action takes place not on an Earth under attack from space invaders, but rather on a planet conquering by the first wave of expanding human colonization, now being reclaimed by its original inhabitants. The heroes of the series are the younger generation who grew up on Grolier, third planet of Epsilon Eridani, with no memory of Earth, for whom this is the home they're trying to defend from the Zol, whose attacks seem senseless and unprovoked to them. Of course, the older generation knows the truth, but also knows that there can be no reconciliation with the Zol, because there's no place for them or their offspring back on overcrowded Earth. Midway through the series, just when it seems that they'll have no choice but try and retreat anyway, they learn that Earth is gone, destroyed in the long-expected Final War. That leaves it to the younger generation of both side to try (or fail) to come to terms. In any case, I rate Southern Cross on par with, if not actual superior to, Macross in terms of story, if not design. Japanese viewers didn't agree and the series ran only a single 26-episode season, with signs of having been curtailed and wrapped up early. Oh, and I also love the music. Hoshi no Déjà Vu (Stellar Déjà Vu) by Yōko Katori is one of my all-time favorite anime OP, right up there with anything by MIO. The recurring Zol theme is also striking and memorable, but alas all too brief. Recommended! –Z– -- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II list@gundam.com Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
