[IFWP] Re: Whose Domain Is It Anyway? Nader, NSI Want To Know

1999-06-12 Thread Kent Crispin
On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:14:11AM +, William X. Walsh wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:43:00 -0700, Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it was NSI that was booted. The ICANN board modified their original position in response to widely held public opinion (just as you claim they

Re: [IFWP] Re: Sovereignty in government or People ...

1999-06-12 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
At 06:24 PM 6/11/99 , you wrote: Wasn't that the point? Technologies may change, but people stay roughly the same. Where's the next OSI-buster? Mark, OSI busting is like the "eternal vigilance in the pursuit of liberty" admonition. OSI is a state of mind that has its place; but when applied to

Re: [IFWP] Re: Whose Domain Is It Anyway? Nader, NSI Want To Know

1999-06-12 Thread Richard J. Sexton
Here's what the ICANN By-Laws say about this: http://www.icann.org/bylaws-09apr99.html Well, this kind of thing should really go to the ICANN membership, not just a bunch of CORE guys that made it to Berlin. Look at what the bylaws say about this: ARTICLE II: MEMBERSHIP [This

RE: [IFWP] Re: Whose Domain Is It Anyway? Nader, NSI Want To Know

1999-06-12 Thread John B. Reynolds
Kent Crispin wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:14:11AM +, William X. Walsh wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:43:00 -0700, Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it was NSI that was booted. The ICANN board modified their original position in response to widely held public opinion

[IFWP] Does NSI need to sign ICANN's registrar accreditation guidelines?

1999-06-12 Thread Gordon Cook
from the real time scribes notes from berlin * George Conrades: Why does NSI refuse to sign up as accredited registrar? * David Johnson: Objects to that requirement as criteria for participation in that constituency, didn't say in the meeting that they would not sign up.

[IFWP] Re: [discuss] Re: Whose Domain Is It Anyway? Nader, NSI Want To Know

1999-06-12 Thread Jeff Williams
Kent and all, This is utter nonsense. There were a grand total of three people that stood up and stated that they felt that NSI should not have more than 1 representative on the names council. Yes, that is a "Number" but a very low one. None the less this is really besides the point and

[IFWP] [Fwd: [announce] Names Council teleconference 11/06/1999, results]

1999-06-12 Thread Jeff Williams
All, And now they are putting out this. After the fact I might add! Sheeesh! Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East

Re: [IFWP] Does NSI need to sign ICANN's registrar accreditation guidelines?

1999-06-12 Thread Jeff Williams
Gordon and all, I too was not able to find any of the definitive statements on any of the Berlin archives that specifically states that NSI or for that matter any other "Registrar" must be "Accredited". I would also point out that Mike Roberts statement(S) regarding ICANN and the Singapore

[IFWP] Re: Whose Domain Is It Anyway? Nader, NSI Want To Know

1999-06-12 Thread William X. Walsh
On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 07:15:36 -0700, Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:14:11AM +, William X. Walsh wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:43:00 -0700, Kent Crispin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it was NSI that was booted. The ICANN board modified their original

[IFWP] Re: [discuss] Next Names Council Meeting

1999-06-12 Thread William X. Walsh
On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:24:58 +0200, Javier SOLA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony, The agreement was that all meetings will be kept open if possible. Our only concern is disruption. If there is disruption that does not permit the meeting, we would try to remove only disruptive individuals, if

[IFWP] Re: [discuss] Next Names Council Meeting

1999-06-12 Thread Jeff Williams
Javier and all, The problem here Javier is that there are not clearly stated rules of discussion in the june 25th announcement. In that this is a public forum, and you seem to be inordinately "Concerned" with disruption issues, these rules evidently need to be in place and clearly stated so

[IFWP] Re: BOUNCE list@ifwp.org: Non-member submission from [Randy Bush randy@psg.com]

1999-06-12 Thread Richard J. Sexton
Randy Bush wrote, in a message that bouced because he is not a subscriber: The problem here Javier is the propensity of people such as you to consider any criticisms from those outside your own "thought camps" to be "disruptive." Personally, I don't trust YOU to make that determination.

Re: [IFWP] Re: [discuss] Next Names Council Meeting

1999-06-12 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 11:38 PM 6/12/99 GMT, William X. Walsh wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:24:58 +0200, Javier SOLA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony, The agreement was that all meetings will be kept open if possible. Our only concern is disruption. If there is disruption that does not permit the meeting, we would

[IFWP] Re: [discuss] Next Names Council Meeting (Open DNSO Mailing lists for Agenda Setting seconded)

1999-06-12 Thread Jeff Williams
Tony and all, I would second this sugestion from Tony Rutkowski of opening the DNSO "Agenda" setting mailing lists as well... All in favor indicate in the affirmative, all not in favor indicate in the Negative! This will help let the (PNC?) know where stakeholders stand! A.M. Rutkowski wrote:

[IFWP] Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: [discuss] Next Names Council Meeting

1999-06-12 Thread Jeff Williams
Randy and all, Well Randy I am very surprised at you in this instance. Strict is fine and a good thing where appropriate. But fair and open are also as important as well. You should know this! BTW, your response to william was also an ad hominem attack as well. I don't find in this

Re: [dnso.discuss] Re: [IFWP] Re: [discuss] Next Names Council Meeting

1999-06-12 Thread Jeff Williams
Richard and all, Well it sounds like Mr. Sola has a personal or philosophical beef with you Richard. That is usually a good indication of lack of emotional maturity... Not to mention to kick you off in 15 seconds was totally out of line! Richard J. Sexton wrote: At 11:38 PM 6/12/99 GMT,

[IFWP] Re: [discuss] Next Names Council Meeting

1999-06-12 Thread William X. Walsh
On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:50:29 -0700 (PDT), Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem here Javier is the propensity of people such as you to consider any criticisms from those outside your own "thought camps" to be "disruptive." Personally, I don't trust YOU to make that

Re: [IFWP] Re: BOUNCE list@ifwp.org: Non-member submission from [Randy Bush randy@psg.com]

1999-06-12 Thread Jeff Williams
Richard and all, Well Richard, we all know form past history that Randy has a bad habit of being over dramatic, to say the least. Not to mention being at time hypocritical to boot... I do hope I am in his killfile, it would be a great disappointment if I were not... Randy, if you are

[IFWP] Re: Sovereignty in government or People ...

1999-06-12 Thread Kerry Miller
Greg, People seem to be willing to go along with whatever the government does, as long as they aren't taxed too much, they make reasonable wages, etc. I offer as evidence the general apathy towards the Monica Lewinsky scandal: many people were uninterested; others gave Clinton a high

[IFWP] Re: [discuss] Next Names Council Meeting

1999-06-12 Thread William X. Walsh
On Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:52:51 -0700, Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:23 PM 6/12/99 -0400, A.M. Rutkowski wrote: Javier, The agreement was that all meetings will be kept open if possible. Our only concern is disruption. If there is disruption that does not permit the As you're

[IFWP] RE: Next Names Council Meeting

1999-06-12 Thread Antony Van Couvering
Javier, As I recall, there was first a vote to have a closed meeting 6/25 2-4 pm, followed by an open meeting 4-6 pm. Later on it was decided that meetings would be open unless disruption occurred, which (I completely agree) is different than censorship, which to my knowledge was not advocated