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2006-05-26 Thread Mark Harris
Patrick Lauke wrote: Warren Cardinal Typography is an art too - print designers can use type to add to the design - we can't?? You want to design for print, then design for print. It's not the same as skiing, and it's not the same as web design. Yes you can, but - unlike print

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2006-05-26 Thread Peter Firminger
Cool it now! Both of you. Peter Are you in charge of this site? http://salford.ac.uk/ why dont u fix this site and make it work without the www. Now thats accessibility. Actually, it's not. And now you reveal what your problem is - ignorance of the subject at hand.

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2006-05-25 Thread Michael Persson
Yes Mark, i know the problem... its just that for 10 years there is nothing that moves regading screen sizes and accesability have to follow the smallest standard size in order to not be refused by visitors. I dont think it work like that any longer, and HEY people need to buy screens and

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2006-05-25 Thread Warren Cardinal
if resizing text breaks the design, why the hell allow it? There are tons of sites out there that use EMs and dont even take into consideration how atrocious their site looks if people increase the text size. different websites have different audiences.Case in point is all these cool flash sites

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2006-05-25 Thread Steve Olive
On Thu, 25 May 2006 10:17 pm, Patrick Lauke wrote: Michael Persson its just that for 10 years there is nothing that moves regading screen sizes and accesability have to follow the smallest standard size in order to not be refused by visitors. Screen sizes have changed drastically

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2006-05-25 Thread Tom Livingston
Title: Re: [WSG] new site critique - extemely On 5/25/06 8:31 AM, Warren Cardinal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if resizing text breaks the design, why the hell allow it? There are tons of sites out there that use EMs and dont even take into consideration how atrocious their site looks if people

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2006-05-25 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Patrick H. Lauke wrote... [...] See above. It's not a case of people not upgrading. If somebody needs and prefers their resolution low, they'll set their machine to that even on a large new 21 monitor. It's not an issue of people not buying/upgrading. [...] --- I heartily agree. My wife

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2006-05-25 Thread Warren Cardinal
it's very interesting on this group that the technical people just want to complain about website designers not doing this and that with no regard to the intricacies and beauty of design. another point - isbestbuy.com losing customers because their text size is small and you cannot resize it? I

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2006-05-25 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
its just that for 10 years there is nothing that moves regading screen sizes and accesability have to follow the smallest standard size in order to not be refused by visitors. I can't see why, since we can make our designs adapt to available space. We just have to design them that way. I

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2006-05-25 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Gang, There will always be opinions about text size and resolutions. I myself have been back and forth over the years. There is a greater truth to be considered though. As an analogy, consider a tree. The tree that bends in a storm will last much longer than a stiff tree. The winds will

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2006-05-25 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
From: Warren Cardinal [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] another point - is bestbuy.com losing customers because their text size is small and you cannot resize it? I think NOT. If customers complain - and we all know they do - they would do something about it. If you want large text, decrease your

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2006-05-25 Thread Mark Sheppard
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: It's my only beef with the ALA site. The makers made assumptions that web developers don't use anything smaller than 1024x768. That's a pretty dangerous [making assumptions] and I seriously doubt it is true. Instead of assumptions, it's better to make

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2006-05-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
Warren Cardinal if resizing text breaks the design, why the hell allow it? If people can't read your text, why the hell put it online? Case in point is all these cool flash sites out there that even I can't read, they are so tiny. And that's a good thing? Typography is an art

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2006-05-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/05/25 08:55 (GMT-0400) Warren Cardinal apparently typed: another point - is bestbuy.com losing customers because their text size is small and you cannot resize it? I think NOT. If customers complain - and we all know they do - they would do something about it. Someone who arrives on

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2006-05-25 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
From: Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] As an analogy, consider a tree. The tree that bends in a storm will last much longer than a stiff tree. The winds will eventually break it. Websites are like trees, in order to survive through the various visitors/storms to our sites

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2006-05-25 Thread Warren Cardinal
People can read the text on my sites. When you DESIGN sites that look as good as mine, you let me know. Are you in charge of this site? http://salford.ac.uk/why dont u fix this site and make it work without the www. Now thats accessibility. On 5/25/06, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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2006-05-25 Thread Peter Dominic Ryan
Claws away please girls. Be nice. Let's get back to helping each other. On 26/05/2006, at 00:24 , Patrick Lauke wrote: Steve Olive Yes...real users stand in the way of your creativity, we get it. NO ... those with no vision stand in the way of creativity. And with that you've proven your

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2006-05-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
And to quote your previous message Warren Cardinal It's a tool Tool indeed. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force

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2006-05-24 Thread Shawn Cassick
Felix Miata wrote: On 06/05/19 15:18 (GMT-0400) Warren Cardinal apparently typed: I am getting ready to launch a new site that I would like to get some final constructive feedback on. It's an xhtml strict ecommerce site and uses alot of ajax features formt eh

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2006-05-24 Thread Nate Klaiber
You might want to check this site out in other browsers. No offense, but it looks horrible. On May 24, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Michael Persson wrote: Ohh my GOD!! Im not able to scroll your page on the mouse wheel!!!\ i felt very handicapped and useless!! I think something went wrong, right

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2006-05-24 Thread Michael Persson
Nate, you answer me with another title?? or?? is your critics for me?? Which site are you talking about... the www.grekland.gr or something else I have my purposes to make it this wide because it is targetted to swedish people that, regarding my other websites, giving me a results that

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2006-05-24 Thread James Laugesen
Can't it at least wrap smaller?I use 1600*1200 and rarely use a website full-screen, I like to see my other windows in the background, for example if I'm reffering between windows. On 25/05/06, Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nate, you answer me with another title?? or?? is your critics

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2006-05-24 Thread Nate Klaiber
This email was meant for another person - I just didn't get a chance to respond. However, in regards to your comment below - just because cnn.com does it doesn't make something the best solution. This kind of thinking is rather flawed. There are PLENTY of large organizations out there with

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2006-05-24 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Persson Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2006 8:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] new site critique - extemely Which site are you talking about... the www.grekland.gr

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2006-05-24 Thread del usr
Of Michael Persson Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2006 8:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] new site critique - extemely Which site are you talking about... the www.grekland.gr or something else I have my purposes to make it this wide because it is targetted to swedish people

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2006-05-24 Thread Samuel Richardson
] On Behalf Of Michael Persson Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2006 8:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] new site critique - extemely Which site are you talking about... the www.grekland.gr or something else I have my purposes to make it this wide because it is targetted to swedish

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2006-05-24 Thread Michael Persson
Persson Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2006 8:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] new site critique - extemely Which site are you talking about... the www.grekland.gr or something else I have my purposes to make it this wide because it is targetted to swedish people

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2006-05-23 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/05/19 15:18 (GMT-0400) Warren Cardinal apparently typed: I am getting ready to launch a new site that I would like to get some final constructive feedback on. It's an xhtml strict ecommerce site and uses alot of ajax features formt eh time-being, the site can be viewed at