Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed

2006-07-10 Thread Kat
Germ wrote: its just for a flash file which will act as the banner for the top of the webpage thanks for links and help I will look forward to hear the long answer ;) I have found this method quite useful: http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1 Kat

Re: [WSG] image border inside

2006-07-10 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 7/9/06 9:52 PM Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: On 7/10/06, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got it (sort of) works in Firefox, not explorer.. - Kind regards, Taco Fleur Here's one I quickly cooked up: http://sandbox.server-logon.com/jstreet/bordertest/ It does

Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed

2006-07-10 Thread Nick Cowie
Personally I use a little bit of _javascript_ to handle the eolas patent in IE and the does not have flash alternative content issue, SWFobject is my personal choice. An equally good alternative is Unobtrusive Flash Objects-- Nick Cowiehttp://nickcowie.com

RE: [WSG] cursor: default; or something else

2006-07-10 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Taco For what its worth, I always use the default cursor (arrow) on my nav hrefs that are nulled (#) on a landing page. IMO its much better indication that the hover is not clickable. Cole From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco

Re: [WSG] List headings

2006-07-10 Thread pepelsbey
Maybe: dl dtGroup title/dt ddGroup title/dd ddGroup title/dd ddGroup title/dd /dl Or dl dth3Group title/h3/dt ddGroup title/dd ddGroup title/dd ddGroup title/dd /dl Example with lih3.../h3/li li.../li not so good, because h3.../h3 isn't LIST ITEM, it is TITLE of LIST ITEMS

Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed

2006-07-10 Thread pepelsbey
I know this may sound stupid and dumb but is there a tag or something that you would use instead of an embed Just asking as it comes up as a warning when I valiadate a page im coding at the moment. Try this: http://www.mauzon.com/?p=36 -- С уважением, pepelsbey. http://pepelsbey.net

RE: [WSG] cursor: default; or something else

2006-07-10 Thread Taco Fleur
Thanks! Not sure how you figured out what I was after, after reading my own cryptic email I would not have made sense out of it ;-) Yes, I think default out of the available is best to, I was thinking about the WAIT cursor, because when hovering over the null item we are really waiting for

Re: [WSG] List headings

2006-07-10 Thread Steve Olive
On Monday 10 July 2006 16:43, pepelsbey wrote: Maybe: dl dth3Group title/h3/dt ddGroup title/dd ddGroup title/dd ddGroup title/dd /dl I think the best option would be: dl dth1Group title/h1/dt ddGroup item/dd ddGroup item/dd ddGroup item/dd /dl and style

Re: [WSG] List headings

2006-07-10 Thread russ - maxdesign
dl dth1Group title/h1/dt ddGroup item/dd ddGroup item/dd ddGroup item/dd /dl Unfortunately, this is invalid. You can also use block level elements in the definition description, such as the p and ul elements. But you cannot use block level elements inside a definition

Re: [WSG] List headings

2006-07-10 Thread pepelsbey
Specifically: !ELEMENT DT - O (%inline;)* -- definition term -- Pity : \ So... best two solutions, i think: h1Title/h1 ul liItem/li liItem/li /ul and dl dtTitle/dt ddItem/dd ddItem/dd /dl or with STRONG dl dtstrongTitle/strong/dt ddItem/dd ddItem/dd /dl -- С

Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed

2006-07-10 Thread pdr Lists
Hi Germ its just for a flash file which will act as the banner for the top of the webpage You will need the object … /object tag. Check out this excellent article ... I work this way, and code is widley supported by browsers, and passes validation.

Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed

2006-07-10 Thread Designer
pepelsbey wrote: I know this may sound stupid and dumb but is there a tag or something that you would use instead of an embed Just asking as it comes up as a warning when I valiadate a page im coding at the moment. A method suggested to me by Bert Doorn seems excellent, and is very

Re: [WSG] List headings

2006-07-10 Thread Ross Bruniges
You shouldn't need a strong emphasis - the dt (definition title) implys that it has a relevance to the dd () below it and is indeed the title for it. If you just want it bold you can style it that way in the CSS - which I am sure you know already. - Original Message From: pepelsbey

Re: [WSG] List headings

2006-07-10 Thread Darren West
No, you would use a css ;0)On 10/07/06, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you just want it bold you can style it that way in the CSS which I am sure you know already.pepelsbey wrote: Yep. CSS, i know ;) STRONG just for visual emphasis of DT in unstyled content. Not so necessary, but looks

Re: Re: [WSG] image border inside

2006-07-10 Thread Oskar Krawczyk
Why not simply add a span via DOM inside the anchor, position it abs. with h/w:100% and the addit. border. Simple, clean and crossbrowser...ish... -- e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] web www.devonstudio.com ** The discussion list for

[WSG] image menu failing in safari

2006-07-10 Thread Warren Cardinal
I have been told that this menu isall messed upin Safari... http://www.dbuchter.com/transfer/peapod/new/ anyone know why? looks fine in FF and IE on PC. I'm stumped thnx, Warren **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] image border inside

2006-07-10 Thread Grzegorz Wolański
Oskar Krawczyk wrote: Ok, even better solution can be found in my test zone: http://blog.olicio.us/public/weblog/fake-inner-border/ No, non-semantic tags, simple CSS. Havent tested on IE, but should work. It works also under IE. :) -- Grzesiek

Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed

2006-07-10 Thread sharron
I don't know if this will help, but I added hyper links to my object vs embed test page. As per different browser they all work differently. http://www.designbyatfb.com/test/swftest2.html I don't know what [an error occurred while processing this directive] this is doing there! lol -

Re: [WSG] image menu failing in safari

2006-07-10 Thread Tom Livingston
Title: Re: [WSG] image menu failing in safari On 7/10/06 1:11 PM, Warren Cardinal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that this menu is all messed up in Safari... http://www.dbuchter.com/transfer/peapod/new/ anyone know why? looks fine in FF and IE on PC. I'm stumped thnx, Warren

Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed

2006-07-10 Thread sharron
ok I think I finally got the hyper links that I added tested in all the browsers I have available. http://www.designbyatfb.com/test/swftest2.html I do believe that they only work with the swf object file (SEE EXAMPLE 4)in FF, Mozilla, Opera. If you went awhile ago to have a look, I aplogize

RE: [WSG] image border inside

2006-07-10 Thread Adam Burmister \(DSL AK\)
I've found it to pass under Firefox? And IE. And in reply to Oskar Krawczyk, this method doesn't have any non-semantic tags - just a class. No, non-semantic tags, simple CSS. Havent tested on IE, but should work. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] access keys

2006-07-10 Thread Terrence Wood
On 10/07/2006, at 3:37 PM, Paul Bennett wrote: I guess the issue that I'd have would be Joe / Jolene User accidentally hitting tab and getting a mysterious chunk of content appear atop the screen. Very unlikely scenario. You can safely use :focus without it causing problems for sited

RE: [WSG] image border inside

2006-07-10 Thread Adam Burmister \(DSL AK\)
Oh, beg your pardon. I was thinking FF on PC, I see the issue. Thanks for the feedback -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Burmister (DSL AK) Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 7:50 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE:

RE: [WSG] image border inside

2006-07-10 Thread Adam Burmister \(DSL AK\)
Hi Peter, I've updated the demo code on my sandbox site, would you mind testing again? I thin I've fixed the firefox and safari issues, but I don't have Shira or Camino installed on our test machine. http://labs.flog.co.nz/css-help/inner-border/demo.htm Here's how it tests out on a Mac:

RE: Re: Re: [WSG] image border inside

2006-07-10 Thread Taco Fleur
Thanks everyone, especially Oskar and Adam, I will be using your solutions. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print,

Re: [WSG] image border inside

2006-07-10 Thread pdr Lists
Hi Peter, I've updated the demo code on my sandbox site, would you mind testing again? I thin I've fixed the firefox and safari issues, but I don't have Shira or Camino installed on our test machine. Hi Adam Pass on all five browsers for the Mac! Nice work! Regards, Peter -- Peter

[WSG] The Web Accessibility Toolbar for Opera [WAT for Opera] now available.

2006-07-10 Thread Steven . Faulkner
The Web Accessibility Toolbar for Opera [WAT for Opera] now available. Web Accessibility Tools Consortium [http://www.wat-c.org] members; Cedric Trevison of The Paciello Group [http://www.paciellogroup.com] and Steve Faulkner of vision australia [ http://www.visionaustralia.org.au] have

[WSG] list items floating around a floated element

2006-07-10 Thread Ted Drake
HI All I'm drawing a blank on this today. We have a blog post with some ugly tag soup, courtesy of an inpage editor. So, ignore the font tags. I've already stripped it down to the bare essence to check on the behavior and I've got a question about fundamental block/float performance. Here's the

RE: [WSG] list items floating around a floated element

2006-07-10 Thread Adam Burmister \(DSL AK\)
I think you're right. FF is rendering it correctly, as the LI and IMG block-elements are jutting up to each other. The easiest way I can think of solving it would be to place the image within the LI. - Adam -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WSG] list items floating around a floated element

2006-07-10 Thread Ted Drake
Hi Adam. That's an idea. I tried adding display:inline to the list item, but that removes the bullet. I forgot to mention that earlier. Ted -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Burmister (DSL AK) Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006

Re: [WSG] access keys

2006-07-10 Thread Kevin Futter
On 11/7/06 5:50 PM, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/07/2006, at 3:37 PM, Paul Bennett wrote: I guess the issue that I'd have would be Joe / Jolene User accidentally hitting tab and getting a mysterious chunk of content appear atop the screen. You can safely use :focus

[WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons

2006-07-10 Thread Richard Czeiger
Hi All :o) Wondering if you can help me solve an issue: I'd like to have a list of alphabetical buttons at the top of the page (you've all seen this kind of navigation). What I'd like to do is have them with the following features: 1. Single pixel border 2. Some padding around the letter

[WSG] PS: Alphabetical Listing Buttons

2006-07-10 Thread Richard Czeiger
PS: I should qualify this - obviously the solution needs to work cross-browser (which is where I'm having the most difficulty)... Mainly FireFox and IE (as it's for an internal app) and they're moving office browsers over from IE to FireFox. R :o) - Original Message - From:

RE: [WSG] PS: Alphabetical Listing Buttons

2006-07-10 Thread Scott Swabey
Richard Czeiger mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All :o) Wondering if you can help me solve an issue: I'd like to have a list of alphabetical buttons at the top of the page (you've all seen this kind of navigation). What I'd like to do is have them with the following features: 1.

Re: [WSG] image menu failing in safari

2006-07-10 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:11 AM, Warren Cardinal wrote: I have been told that this menu is all messed up in Safari... http://www.dbuchter.com/transfer/peapod/new/ anyone know why? looks fine in FF and IE on PC. I'm stumped Step one: validate your mark-up. Step one one: validate your mark-up.

Re: [WSG] html validation: exactly what is it good for?

2006-07-10 Thread John S. Britsios
We Standards are good for SEO (Search Engine Optimzation) too! You might would like to check two threads running at WebProWorld Forums. One I started myself: http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=65123 and an another interesting one here: http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=64982

Re: [WSG] PS: Alphabetical Listing Buttons

2006-07-10 Thread Richard Czeiger
Thanks Scott, but it didn't work... This is as far as I've gotten: http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/alphabeticalList.html Pretty ugly - lots of FF v IE hacks but if anyone can improve this, I'd love it! R :o) - Original Message - From: Scott Swabey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[WSG] help needed with position of text links

2006-07-10 Thread Germ
HiI dont know if the subject title is descripted properly as I couldnt really come up with a good namebut anyway the problem:http://www.blazedesigns.com the links are too close to the side of the border of the divs. I want the image sitting next to the right hand side and the text but not the

Re: [WSG] help needed with position of text links

2006-07-10 Thread Nick Cowie
On 11/07/06, Germ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but i was wondering if there was another better css way??? use padding, padding: top right bottom left;note : after padding, which is missing in your CSSpadding: 1px 10px 1px 1px; will get the text 10px from the right edge, (note box model problems with

RE: [WSG] help needed with position of text links

2006-07-10 Thread Scott Swabey
Germ wrote the links are too close to the side of the border of the divs. I want the image sitting next to the right hand side and the text but not the text also sitting on the edge. I also wouldn't mind having the text middled (vertically) in the image as well. Modify your #navigation a

Re: [WSG] help needed with position of text links

2006-07-10 Thread Germ
Hey thanks for thatThe problem was really bugging me On 7/11/06, Scott Swabey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Modify your #navigation a styles like:#navigation a {color: #FFF; background-image: url(button.jpg);font-size: 1.3em;font-weight: normal;font-family: Times New Roman;text-decoration:

RE: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons

2006-07-10 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Czeiger Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 10:49 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons Hi All :o) Wondering if you can help me solve an

[WSG]

2006-07-10 Thread Elle Meredith
Shlomi Asaf wrote:HiI have a question that crossed my mind, and i wish to get help from youguys: HTML Validation- what is it good for?I try to find the disadvantages of a non validated site against onevalidated, and let me try to explain what i mean.If i build a website, according to his

Re: [WSG]

2006-07-10 Thread Michael Persson
Dear Shlomi, Why to validate a code that not made for the validation. Make the website, follow the restrictions and then validate... This is still just a validation for as correct coding as possible, that does not mean it will work exactly perfect i all browsers anyway... To build the website