RE: [WSG] How to detect bottom of a page?

2006-06-07 Thread Samuel Richardson

In your screen stylesheet you should have:

display: block;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 150%;
bottom: 45px;
position: absolute;

This will align the div to the bottom of the screen (what you originally
had) when viewed on a screen.

In your print stylesheet you should have

display: block;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 150%;
bottom: auto;
position: static;

This will position the div after any content when you print it.

In both cases the footer divs should appear after your content in the HTML.
Also look at changing the fonts from %'s to pt's in the print stylesheet,
this will suit printing better.


-Original Message-
From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bojana Lalic
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2006 3:09 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] How to detect bottom of a page?

I do have a print stylesheet and this is what's in it:

.framework_url {
display: block;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 150%;
bottom: auto;
position: static;
}

I've also got another stylesheet which has the following:
.framework_url {
display: none;
}

What's missing?

-Original Message-
From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:31 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] How to detect bottom of a page?

 
Like I said in my original email serve those rules below only when you
print
the page, serve your original rules when the page is viewed on the
screen.

Google CSS Media to find out how to serve different CSS files based on
what device is being used to access the page.

S


-Original Message-
From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bojana Lalic
Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2006 1:29 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] How to detect bottom of a page?

The div is now appearing after the content in HTML and is appearing at
the end of the content on the last page but not appearing at the bottom.

This is the css:

display: block;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 150%;
bottom: auto;
position: static;

How do I force the div to display at the bottom of the page, regardless
of how much content there is on the page?

-Original Message-
From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:20 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] How to detect bottom of a page?

 
B,

Make sure the div that is appearing at the bottom of the page appears
after
your content in the HTML. Then in a print only style sheet format that
block
to be position : static;

This will cause the footer to be pushed down from the content on the
page
again. IE may still use the bottom CSS rule even though it should (due
to
the position : static;) if this is the cause then add bottom : auto; to
make
it behave.

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From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bojana Lalic
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2006 4:33 PM
To: Paul Novitski; wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] How to detect bottom of a page?

Hi all

This is the css I used to display the url at the bottom of the page:
display: block;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 150%;
bottom: 45px;
position: absolute;

However, I've got a slight problem now. When printing out the article
that is three pages long (when printed out) the url appears on the first
page. How do I force it to display only on the last page?

Cheers

Bojana

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From: Paul Novitski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:46 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] How to detect bottom of a page?

At 06:57 PM 4/19/2006, Bojana Lalic wrote:
I am working on a print stylesheet. What I need to do is display a 
url at the bottom of the last page.

I understand that this can be done with CSS3 float: bottom; but is 
there another way of doing this?


I wonder if you can simply mark up the URL at the bottom of your HTML 
page, then suppress it from screen display if desired.

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[WSG] Alignment Issues in IE6 on XP only?

2006-06-07 Thread Martin Jopson
I seem to be having an alignment issue that only appears in IE6 on XP. It is fine in all other browsers tested including IE6 on W2k, both Win + Mac FF, Safari  Opera.The alignment issues are seen on the vertical lines running at the edges and in the left blue column.
An example page can be viewed via:http://wsg.dnsalias.com/about/And an XP screenshot at:
http://wsg.dnsalias.com/xp.JPGAny help appreciated,CheersMartin

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Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict

2006-06-07 Thread Rev. Kalle Räisänen

Patrick H. Lauke wrote:

Thierry Koblentz wrote:


The issue is not about the attributes but their value; and in the example I
wrote, the validator would choke on the ID's *value*. Because 1st_Section
is a valid value for the name attribute but it is *not* for the id
attribute.


To expand: because the name attribute can contain any CDATA, while id 
*must* begin with a letter.


Which, of course, I should know. I must've hit my head or something.


It's a fairly marginal advantage, though, if you ask me.


I agree.


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RE: [WSG] XHTML Strict

2006-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
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 Surely any conforming user agent should ignore any markup that it does
 not understand, so is there really any need to stop using 
 name, where it
 is being used for 'belt and braces' compatibility?

For XHTML 1.0 (even strict), using name is still fine. Deprecated, yes, but
not invalid. For XHTML 1.1, though, it would be silly to aim for compatibility,
as then the question would arise: if you're after compatibility, why move to 
1.1?

Patrick

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[WSG] Dave shea enhancement

2006-06-07 Thread Ben Logan

Hi folks

I was wondering if anyone can help me.

I am using the Dave Shea enhancement to allow for valid H2 text to be visible 
to the screenreader whilst maintaining the graphic for the client.

One of the things the client wants now is the heading to be a link.

I have styled this and all seems to be working but now this does not validate 
the page on the W3C validator.

Does anyone have some sample code using this method and a link surrounding the 
image that validates?

Cheers

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Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict

2006-06-07 Thread Steve Olive
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:48 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Surely any conforming user agent should ignore any markup that it does

No, user agents don't ignore markup that is not specified in the DOCTYPE. It 
generates (or should) a parse error. Most web sites don't serve XHTML 
correctly as application/xhtml+xml because one browser by a very large US 
software manufacturer doesn't parse this MIME type. 

If you want to see examples try:

http://www.bathurst-tafe.nsw.edu.au/~steve/index.htm is text/html

and

http://www.bathurst-tafe.nsw.edu.au/~steve/index.xhtml is 
application/xhtml+xml

When using Windows  IE6, for the second link, Windows will try to open the 
page in another application (usually Dreamweaver if installed). These are 
both served by Apache from the same directory.

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[WSG] More on printing

2006-06-07 Thread Designer

Dear listers,

Is there anyone out there with experience of avoiding page breaks in 
daft places?  I have a site with the potential to print out some thirty 
different pages, with each printout length between 1 page and 4.  Each 
page has small illustrations scattered unevenly amongst the text, and 
I'm finding that some pages attempt a page break half way through an 
image, with the result that the image splits into two across the pages.  
Because all the pages are different (and change, too!) I am trying to 
give universal instructions in the print style sheet.  (if image then 
page-break, but only at the bottom of a page :-).  Most users of the 
site will be using IE, so I'm guessing that @page definitions will be 
useless?


The pages are the same ones I referred to recently in another printing 
context and an example can be seen at :


http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/rhh/locations/trevone/tregarne.php?house=Tregarne 
, though I doubt this is really relevant.


I'd be grateful for any help  on this.  Thanks

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Re: [WSG] Through PDA

2006-06-07 Thread discusster
 It might be better to hide the crippled handheld css file from this browserI believe Opera ignores the handheld stylesheet anyway.I devides a neat technique for detecting a small screen device if anyone's interested. Here's the article: 
http://theletter.co.uk/longhand?id=1918#device_detectionCheers,BlairOn 06/06/06, 
Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mobile appliances are notoriously difficult to program for. Cell phone andPDA manufacturers are still stuck in the Wild West days of browser wars. Youjust have to do the best you can and hope the majority of people can view
your stuff.I'm not on the Yahoo! mobile project, but from what I understand they areusing XSL to create customized presentations for each of the major mobileapplications.This is a huge undertaking that the average developer simply
cannot afford.I'm used the handheld media to create a simplified style sheet. I'm hardlyan expert at it, but have gotten moderate success. Take your print stylesheet, add a rule that cancels float on everything
(* {float:none!important}) and start tweaking with what you want to show andhide.This is just a very, very rough draft for a mobile style sheet. It'snot perfect, but it will make your sites more readable in an appliance that
recognizes the handheld media.That said... The opera browser for mobile appliances is really quite niceand can re-render your normal site fairly well. It might be better to hidethe crippled handheld css file from this browser.
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Re: [WSG] Through PDA

2006-06-07 Thread Jan Brasna

I believe Opera ignores the handheld stylesheet anyway.


Nope. Opera, NetFront and S60Browser are almost the only ones treating 
screen/handheld stylesheets right.


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Re: [WSG] Through PDA

2006-06-07 Thread Leskinen N.
I think that the simple way to make nice PDA-site -- make the separate
version for PDA, because for PDA the superfluous information is not
necessary so much then for PC
Design in simplicity ;)





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[WSG] Microformats and XOXO

2006-06-07 Thread Darren Wood

So I've been looking into this whole microformats thing.  I'm excited
(to say the very least!)

I've looked over the hCard, hCalendar and xfn overviews.  They're
relatively straightforward...but then I looked at the XOXO spec and
was completely snowed...

Can anyone help explain in relatively plain English (maybe with an
example or two) what the XOXO microformat is and how is could be
implemented?

I know this is a sudo-standard but I'm sure it's way more on topic
that some of the stuff floating around this list atm.

Cheers,
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Re: [WSG] More on printing

2006-06-07 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:05:35 +0100, Designer wrote:

 [...] I have a site with the potential to print out some thirty
 different pages, with each printout length between 1 page and 4.  Each
 page has small illustrations scattered unevenly amongst the text, and
 I'm finding that some pages attempt a page break half way through an
 image, with the result that the image splits into two across the pages.

Try adding float: none to the images in your print style sheet. I find 
this usually fixes the problem, but can't be certain as you don't say 
which browser you use.

No need to un-float all of them - just the ones that give problems. 
(Bearing in mind that not everyone prints on size A4 in portrait mode.)

Cordially,
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