[WSG] css validation error
i hope this post belongs here, forgive me if was wrong
i recive this validation erorr for this line:
background:url('../Images/redBullet.gif') no-repeat left 5px;
Invalid number : background Too many values or values are not recognized : url('../Images/redBullet.gif') no-repeat left 5px
why did i recived this error?
where else should i write properties left top?
Thank You Guys
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Re: [WSG] css validation error
Try that:
background:url('../Images/redBullet.gif') no-repeat 0 5px;
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Re: [WSG] css validation error
Invalid number : background Too many values or values are not recognized :
Now in my way:
DIV {background:url(../Images/redBullet.gif) 0 5px no-repeat;}
No error or warning found
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Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
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Re: [WSG] css validation error
Thanks a lot guys, it works great!
but still, if we follow W3.org spacification, we'll see those rulls:
Value:
['background-color' ||
'background-image' || 'background-repeat'
|| 'background-attachment' ||
'background-position'] | inherit
so position comes after repeat.
so why writing in the wrong way is valid and the oposite in not?
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Invalid number : background Too many values or values are not recognized :Now in my way:
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Re: [WSG] css validation error
so position comes after repeat. so why writing in the wrong way is valid and the oposite in not? Trouble in left and 5px combination: background:url(../Images/redBullet.gif) left 5px no-repeat; background:url(../Images/redBullet.gif) no-repeat left 5px; -- not valid, but background:url(../Images/redBullet.gif) no-repeat 0 5px; background:url(../Images/redBullet.gif) 0 5px no-repeat; -- valid So... use numeric dimensions, not keywords -- С уважением, pepelsbey. http://pepelsbey.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Richard Czeiger wrote: Gaspar! Nice solution! Cleanest yet! Have to say - I'm not a fan of Bob's approach. Yes, tables would solve a lot of the problems neatly. But sorry, it's simply not tabular data and come re-design time, tables simly don't have the flexibility of semantics. Who knows, my client might turn around and say, can we have that in three columns? In which case, I'd have to got back and redo all of them as a different kind of table. I guess this illustrates the point nicely: tables v semantics may not make much difference in 'one-off' situations, but they certainly make a HUGE difference when I have this kind of alhpabetical (or numeric/yearly) list appearing about 60 times across one of my sites! Thanks to those that contributed! Richard :o) Fair points Richard, but if I had the code 60 or times so on a site, I'd have it inserted as a single library item, thereby reducing it to one instance only, making any changes become simple. Horses for courses and all that. -- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed
pdr Lists wrote: Hi Germ its just for a flash file which will act as the banner for the top of the webpage You will need the object … /object tag. Check out this excellent article ... I work this way, and code is widley supported by browsers, and passes validation. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ thanks for links and help As for your second question: Also when i tried putting the a href tags on either side so that it was a link, it didnt work. any special reason?? I would think that it is because embed … /embed is a block-level elements, and a … /a is an inline element; From the W3: Generally, block-level elements may contain inline elements and other block-level elements. Generally, inline elements may contain only data and other inline elements. Inherent in this structural distinction is the idea that block elements create larger structures than inline elements. [http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/struct/ global.html#h-7.5.3] Regards, Peter -- Peter Dominic Ryan | raycity* : new media solutions : proven [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://raycity.com | mb: 0419 229 738 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** I was using the satay method as well, and its pretty good, until Opera renders both the object AND embed contents. Switch the swfobject and am good to go these days. Basically, there's no actual valid flash that works, sorry. There are methods to either display flash or alternative content, but thats about it. -- Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
On 06/07/11 21:20 (GMT+1000) Richard Czeiger apparently typed: Bob McClelland wrote: http://www.marscovista.fsnet.co.uk/template/alphabet.html Have to say - I'm not a fan of Bob's approach. Yes, tables would solve a lot of the problems neatly. But sorry, it's simply not tabular data Expanding on Bob's approach, you should be able to see why I disagree: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/alphabet.html Why do you think an alphabet shouldn't be considered tabular data? -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Expanding on Bob's approach, you should be able to see why I disagree: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/alphabet.html Looks like an ordered list. ... Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
On 06/07/11 09:04 (GMT-0600) Joe apparently typed: Felix Miata wrote: Why do you think an alphabet shouldn't be considered tabular data? I believe it depends on how you would like the alphabet to be depicted. In the example that you had provided (comparing the letter to its corresponding position) the data is in fact, tabular. No doubt. But, when simply displaying the alphabet with no relationships between the letters themselves then it should not be tabular. Tabular data 'should' contain both columns AND rows. I posit that Richard's alphabet contains an implied header row in addition to the explicit row. The alphabet can be a row array, as in Richard's case. Tables are usually compilations of arrays. What in the HTML specs is better designed to semantically present a row array than a table? -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons - What are you thiinking???
How many times have I bit my tongue as Felix has blurted out his irrational ideas. Sorry to be negative, but this is just wrong. Semantic value has nothing to do with your spreadsheets. A list of letters in the alphabet is a list. It's not a table unless you are trying to make a relationship between the letters and something else. To relate a list of letters to your spreadsheet is spreading bad information. I'd hate to have someone join this list and think you were the resident expert and begin coding their pages as if they are working in Excel. Please, let's get back to the real world. Semantic value is using the tag that gives your content structural and contextual value. If you are displaying a group of objects that have no hierarchical value, give them an unordered list. If those objects have a hierarchy, as the alphabet does (a before b before c before d...) use an ordered list. If that group of objects have definitions and terms, use a definition list. If they are tabular, in that you can relate rows and columns, use a table. If none of the above, you should consider paragraphs or another container. Where does the spreadsheet come in? Why would you even consider how the content would display in a completely unrelated interface? For anyone that just joined this list. If Felix was starting to sound reasonable, please take some time to read Eric Meyer, the W3C, Zeldman.com, simplebits.com, and many other sites that accurately describe semantic markup. There, I've done it. I've broken my vow to not be negative on this list. But consider the spreadsheet to be one hell of a straw that broke this camel's back. Ted -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix Miata Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:10 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons On 06/07/11 18:05 (GMT+0300) Rimantas Liubertas apparently typed: Felix Miata wrote: Expanding on Bob's approach, you should be able to see why I disagree: http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/alphabet.html Looks like an ordered list. An ordered list displayed unstyled would be displayed by every browser I've ever used as one column with 26 rows. That's how I would normally include a list in my spreadsheet. However, I see Richard's alphabet as a row array, which I would include in my spreadsheet using one row with 26 columns. AFAIK, there is no element in the (X)HTML specs semantically designed specifically for a row array, and why it is putatively semantic to use a table to do what Richard wants. -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
I posit that Richard's alphabet contains an implied header row in addition to the explicit row. What header is implied here? I see no implied header in an alphabet listing, unless you are talking about the implied header of order, in which case an ordered list tag is the obvious choice for markup here. Any list could have an implied header if you think about it in the way of order. I could order my shopping list! :) 1. Bananas 2. Milk 3. Butter 4. Eggs Jough ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
On 06/07/11 12:38 (GMT-0400) Ted Drake apparently typed: Semantic value has nothing to do with your spreadsheets. I meant to include the reason for my reference to spreadsheets, but got distracted and forgot. The idea came to me because of the paragraph following the sample table on http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=0BEA6 , which is about semantic use of tables. -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Any list could have an implied header if you think about it in the way of order. I could order my shopping list! :) 1. Bananas 2. Milk 3. Butter 4. Eggs You could, if your list was in order of importance, or alphabetical order, or in order that you pull them off of the shelves in order to optimize your trip through the store (which only us true geeks would take the time to worry about ;-)). It appears to me, however, that your list is in no particular order whatsoever, meaning you would use an unordered list. If that order has meaning to you, then perhaps an ordered list would be better. In either case, this is not tabular data. Matt Heerema www.directsteps.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Is it accessible?
You see many web sites now that have a navigation in the top that is graphic based or flash based, but also have the text alternative in the footer. You have a stylized header in graphic form, and you have the text at the bottom. Is this considered accessible? Maybe not the best practice I know, but just wondering how many rules Im breaking if I do it. Ryan **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Is it accessible?
Just add behind body / something like a href=#menuSkip to the menu/a and it should be +/- OK. :) -- Greetings, Grzesiek ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is it accessible?
If you have use screen reader you have to go till the last content to get the menu. you could put the skip menu above the flash. 2006/7/11, Grzegorz Wolanski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just add behind body / something like a href=#menuSkip to the menu/a and it should be +/- OK. :) -- Greetings, Grzesiek ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Font size in browsers
I do not know if this is off topic for this list. I am a little confused why Firefox 1.5.04 seems to display the font size I specify and IE6 for Windows does not. Why? http://infoforce-services.com CSS: http://infoforce-services.com/css/layout.css Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page http://www.infoforce-services.com Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. 2nd Vice president http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons - What are you thiinking???
Ted Drake wrote: For anyone that just joined this list. If Felix was starting to sound reasonable, please take some time to read Eric Meyer, the W3C, Zeldman.com, simplebits.com, and many other sites that accurately describe semantic markup. and, whilst you're reading Zeldman, take note of the fact that he says you can use a table, if it is simple and structured (and, says I, if it does a job which is either difficult or clumsy otherwise). - Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Font size in browsers
It seems to display correctly on IE6 on my windows machine. Jough -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Visually Insane Genetically Modified Organism Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:34 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Font size in browsers I do not know if this is off topic for this list. I am a little confused why Firefox 1.5.04 seems to display the font size I specify and IE6 for Windows does not. Why? http://infoforce-services.com CSS: http://infoforce-services.com/css/layout.css Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page http://www.infoforce-services.com Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. 2nd Vice president http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font size in browsers
On 06/07/11 15:34 (GMT-0400) Visually Insane Genetically Modified Organism apparently typed: I do not know if this is off topic for this list. I am a little confused why Firefox 1.5.04 seems to display the font size I specify and IE6 for Windows does not. Why? http://infoforce-services.com CSS: http://infoforce-services.com/css/layout.css They look the same to me on XP with IE6. Is someone using IE with the desktop advanced display settings DPI set to something other than normal (96) to get that impression? -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Is it accessible?
Would a screen reader pick up the alt tag info for each element? -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gaspar Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:24 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Is it accessible? If you have use screen reader you have to go till the last content to get the menu. you could put the skip menu above the flash. 2006/7/11, Grzegorz Wolanski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just add behind body / something like a href=#menuSkip to the menu/a and it should be +/- OK. :) -- Greetings, Grzesiek ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons - What are you thiinking???
(and, says I, if it does a job which is either difficult or clumsy otherwise). No. Just because something is difficult doesn't mean you should resort to using something semantically incorrect. If everyone did that then there wouldn't be need for web standards in the first place (joke ;)). Plus, Gaspar already showed us that it is completely possible (and easy) to do! http://artideias.com/lab/css/listAlfa.html Jough ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons - What are you thiinking???
I'm the first one to fight for semantic code, but I thought I'd play devils advocate this morning. You can be pragmatic about such things (using tables) - for instance from Gaspar's example, (0.4%*2)*26 + (26*3%) = 98.8% - which isn't 100%, thereby illustrating some of the limitations of CSS. For such a simple data structure as a table of one row and 26 cells there wouldn't be much of a problem for accessible browsers to convert that into something meaningful. So why not if tables work better at displaying this data. It's simple enough to be read properly by screen readers, and you could argue that a table of letters is a valid use of a table? - A -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (and, says I, if it does a job which is either difficult or clumsy otherwise). No. Just because something is difficult doesn't mean you should resort to using something semantically incorrect. If everyone did that then there wouldn't be need for web standards in the first place (joke ;)). Plus, Gaspar already showed us that it is completely possible (and easy) to do! http://artideias.com/lab/css/listAlfa.html Jough -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 31/05/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
On 06/07/11 13:54 (GMT-0600) Joe apparently typed: On 06/07/11 20:37 (GMT+0100) Bob McClelland apparently typed: (and, says I, if it does a job which is either difficult or clumsy otherwise). Just because something is difficult doesn't mean you should resort to using something semantically incorrect. Bob didn't write just. What you quoted was used as conjuctive appendage to what you didn't quote: you can use a table, if it is simple and structured ... . Richard's alphabet is a simple row array, which is not naturally rendered by any popular graphical user agent as any kind of row list (dl, ul, ol). As a semantic dl, ul or ol, no user with page styles unavailable will see anything remotely resembling the row format that Richard wants, unlike what Bob proposed. A table is as good as (X)HTML provides to semantically provide a row array. -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Felix Miata wrote: Richard's alphabet is a simple row array I'd tend to lean more towards can be interpreted as a simple row array. no user with page styles unavailable will see anything remotely resembling the row format that Richard wants Which should be fine, as styles are used for formatting. It seems natural that, without styles, users won't see a particular format... Anyway, at the end of the day, use a table if you think it's a row array, or use a list if you think an the alphabet is an ordered list of characters. As with those endless discussions of how to best mark up a breadcrumb trail (an unordered list, an ordered list, a nested ordered list of ordered lists ad infinitum, etc), there is no one true way of semantically marking up real world content like this with the limited, generic building blocks provided in HTML. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Inline Lists
This is probably something really simple I am overlooking. A demonstration of my problem is at http://www.pacetools.com/temptest.html I just need to get rid of the extra padding on the left of the initial li. I've surrounded everything in borders for your convenience. Any ideas? Jough ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
On 06/07/11 21:41 (GMT+0100) Patrick H. Lauke apparently typed: Felix Miata wrote: Richard's alphabet is a simple row array I'd tend to lean more towards can be interpreted as a simple row array. I think that is a good leaning, but I was trying to interpret from Richard's perspective rather than an unbiased one. :-) no user with page styles unavailable will see anything remotely resembling the row format that Richard wants Which should be fine, as styles are used for formatting. It seems natural that, without styles, users won't see a particular format... Lest we forget, common GUI browsers pretty much all render unstyled text rather similarly in particular formats according to the markup. They all use some sort of internal style system that with a series of 26 characters marked up as ol, ul or dl produces a one single character wide column containing 26 rows, while all will make those same characters stretch across the screen without wrapping for lack of space marked up as a tr with 26 td elements. From a user perspective, seeing the former 26 rows of one character each I would likely think there was something wrong with that page. How often has anyone here seen the entire alphabet presented in a vertical array form rather than a horizontal array form? How many in elementary school didn't have them drawn as a row array above a chalkboard? How many can find a page like http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/list.html that displays a column array rather than a row array for the alpha shortcut links? I think this thread speaks a need for an array element, but it seems CSS3 has proposed one that is limited to a math context. -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font size in browsers
It seems ok to me too, IE and FF. Dont yuo have in IE, menu viewtext-sizesmaller or larger P.S. The title InfoForce Services in my screen 1440x990, are in the red background, half of title it's out of your http://infoforce-services.com/images/curve2.gif background . 2006/7/11, Visually Insane Genetically Modified Organism [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I do not know if this is off topic for this list. I am a little confused why Firefox 1.5.04 seems to display the font size I specify and IE6 for Windows does not. Why? http://infoforce-services.com CSS: http://infoforce-services.com/css/layout.css Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page http://www.infoforce-services.com Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. 2nd Vice president http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Make it simple for the people -- http://www.artideias.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Nested Acronym Tag Inside an Anchor Tag
Hello Group,Does anyone forsee any accessibility issues by nesting an acronym tag inside an anchor tag?Example:a href=""acronym title="Portable Document Formant"PDF/acronym/aThank you for your time,James W. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] Inline Lists
Padding is spelt with 2 d's, not 3 (paddding: 0 0 0 0;) -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 9:49 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Inline Lists This is probably something really simple I am overlooking. A demonstration of my problem is at http://www.pacetools.com/temptest.html I just need to get rid of the extra padding on the left of the initial li. I've surrounded everything in borders for your convenience. Any ideas? Jough ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 31/05/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 31/05/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Inline Lists
This is probably something really simple I am overlooking. A demonstration of my problem is at http://www.pacetools.com/temptest.html I just need to get rid of the extra padding on the left of the initial li. I've surrounded everything in borders for your convenience. Any ideas? The incorrect spelling of padding within your ul rule is your problem. Remove a d and you are set. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Inline Lists
try setting your padding on the li to padding: 0px; right now you have padding: 0 0 0 30px; which makes the left side pad 30px. remember it's padding: top right bottom left; --- Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is probably something really simple I am overlooking. A demonstration of my problem is at http://www.pacetools.com/temptest.html I just need to get rid of the extra padding on the left of the initial li. I've surrounded everything in borders for your convenience. Any ideas? Jough ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Inline Lists
Thanks Russ and Adam! I think I'm just going cross-eyed today from working too hard. It's probably time to go home. :) Thanks again. Jough -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ - maxdesign Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:05 PM To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline Lists This is probably something really simple I am overlooking. A demonstration of my problem is at http://www.pacetools.com/temptest.html I just need to get rid of the extra padding on the left of the initial li. I've surrounded everything in borders for your convenience. Any ideas? The incorrect spelling of padding within your ul rule is your problem. Remove a d and you are set. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Nested Acronym Tag Inside an Anchor Tag
It's just a phrase element like em or strong so the same rules apply.SusanOn 7/11/06, James W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello Group,Does anyone forsee any accessibility issues by nesting an acronym tag inside an anchor tag? Example:a href="" title=Portable Document FormantPDF/acronym/aThank you for your time,James W. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Susan R. Grossman[EMAIL PROTECTED] **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Hi all :o) This has certainly sparked an interesting conversation! While there seems to a lot of evangelising going on, let's remember that the reason we're here is to listen, learn and if we have an opinion, then to try and convince others that ours is a valid point. On that note, I'm sorry, but I haven't been convinced by the 'Alphabet as a Table' view... It just doesn't sit right. A table for me has to have **at least** two rows and two columns. Why? Only one row or only one column is a list - sorry, but it's as simple as that. Two columns, multiple rows might even be replaced by a definitition list. But one row can only be a list. An 'implied header' is, I think, stretching it too far. In respect to my original post - Gaspar's solution is both clean, cross-browser and (while not pixel perfect) certianly the most effective, semantic approach (IMHO). In relation to Pixel Perfection: Adam, you are right - it's never going to be perfect. Even using the maths to 5 decimal places, it's not going to work, BUT! A tabular approach isn't 100% successful either as it too will use pixels and thus, some letters will have larger widths and margins than others (though only by one pixel). So there we have it I don't think I've added anything new, but thanks to all who've put forward their points so impressively. Richard :o) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Clearly neither of you are power shoppers. What you need is a table, with columns for rating importance, quantity, unit price, total price, shelf location and shelf-life. Then you need a script to sort your table on the fly by any category. By the way, if you add Flour you can make banana cake. Yum. Geoff. Joe wrote: We are on exactly the same page. My shopping list IS in fact ordered by what items spoil quickest (although I never thought about that until after I ordered them). At any rate my shopping list is WAY off subject. I just thought we could all use a laugh today. :) Jough Matt Heerema wrote: Any list could have an implied header if you think about it in the way of order. I could order my shopping list! :) 1. Bananas 2. Milk 3. Butter 4. Eggs You could, if your list was in order of importance, or alphabetical order, or in order that you pull them off of the shelves in order to optimize your trip through the store (which only us true geeks would take the time to worry about ;-)). It appears to me, however, that your list is in no particular order whatsoever, meaning you would use an unordered list. If that order has meaning to you, then perhaps an ordered list would be better. In either case, this is not tabular data. == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
On 06/07/12 10:05 (GMT+1000) Richard Czeiger apparently typed: On that note, I'm sorry, but I haven't been convinced by the 'Alphabet as a Table' view... It just doesn't sit right. A table for me has to have **at least** two rows and two columns. Why? Only one row or only one column is a list - sorry, but it's as simple as that. Two columns, multiple rows might even be replaced by a definitition list. But one row can only be a list. I don't believe data and list items are mutually exclusive in the HTML spec, or in real life. Just because something can constitute a list doesn't mean the items in the list cannot be data. So, before you let the concrete set up around that opinion, and keeping in mind all the user agents most of us are familiar with display each item in an unstyled ul, ol or dl on its own row, ponder the very first sentence of the HTML table spec, in particular, the 9th 14th words: The HTML table model allows authors to arrange data -- text, preformatted text, images, links, forms, form fields, other tables, etc. -- into rows and columns of cells. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html I scanned without success looking for a minimum required number of columns or rows. -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
On 7/12/06, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly neither of you are power shoppers. What you need is a table, with columns for rating importance, quantity, unit price, total price, shelf location and shelf-life. Then you need a script to sort your table on the fly by any category. Add a handheld stylesheet for good measure. Josh ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
And a form that allows you to add new items. Could use DOM scripting to insert the new items into the table - I think a database back-end is probably overkill... Joshua Street wrote: On 7/12/06, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly neither of you are power shoppers. What you need is a table, with columns for rating importance, quantity, unit price, total price, shelf location and shelf-life. Then you need a script to sort your table on the fly by any category. Add a handheld stylesheet for good measure. Josh == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is it accessible?
I just recently got a design from a client that included the menu as the footer with a menu up near the top. I told him just to simply redesign it...On 7/12/06, Ryan Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see many web sites now that have a navigation in the top that is graphic based or flash based, but also have the text alternative in the footer. You have a stylized header in graphic form, and you have the text at the bottom. Is this considered accessible? Maybe not the best practice I know, but just wondering how many rules I'm breaking if I do it. Ryan **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- JP2 Designshttp://www.jp2designs.com **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
True felix - a list is made up of data. However, I do not think it is made up of Tabular Data. In other words, data that SHOULD belong in a table. And no, I'm not letting the concreate set on that - in fact I offered the idea that some tabular data may even be formatted as a list (defintion). And yes, you can put lots of things in tables - even a list! However, if the table is entire made up of a list then ... use a list! It seems here that the only real question is if its too hard should I not bother with semantics. Well, Gaspar's code seems like a pretty easy solution - wouldn't you say? R :o) - Original Message - From: Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons On 06/07/12 10:05 (GMT+1000) Richard Czeiger apparently typed: On that note, I'm sorry, but I haven't been convinced by the 'Alphabet as a Table' view... It just doesn't sit right. A table for me has to have **at least** two rows and two columns. Why? Only one row or only one column is a list - sorry, but it's as simple as that. Two columns, multiple rows might even be replaced by a definitition list. But one row can only be a list. I don't believe data and list items are mutually exclusive in the HTML spec, or in real life. Just because something can constitute a list doesn't mean the items in the list cannot be data. So, before you let the concrete set up around that opinion, and keeping in mind all the user agents most of us are familiar with display each item in an unstyled ul, ol or dl on its own row, ponder the very first sentence of the HTML table spec, in particular, the 9th 14th words: The HTML table model allows authors to arrange data -- text, preformatted text, images, links, forms, form fields, other tables, etc. -- into rows and columns of cells. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html I scanned without success looking for a minimum required number of columns or rows. -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font size in browsers
Visually Insane Genetically Modified Organism wrote: I do not know if this is off topic for this list. I am a little confused why Firefox 1.5.04 seems to display the font size I specify and IE6 for Windows does not. Why? If you've still got your problem after trying all the tips you received from the list, check these settings in Firefox: Tools Options Content Fonts Colors Advanced... Display resolution Tools Options Content Fonts Colors Advanced... Minimum Font Size These settings can render the font differently on the screen. Normally, you should see 96dpi and no minimum font size. If there's something else, change the values and see if that helps! By the way, having a minimum font size set to a large value is a great way to test for accessibility, readability and scalability of your design. Also, if you set an absolute font size in your css, make sure a larger value in this setting than the one found in your style doesn't break your layout. Cheers! -- Au naturel, c'est plus beau. Cognitio, Sylvain Vachon Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. Albert Einstein I believe in intuition and inspiration. At times I feel certain I am right while not knowing the reason. Albert Einstein Get Firefox! ;-) Sylvain Email: MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The sender believes that this e-mail and any attachments were free of any harmful and malicious code or defects when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action regarding the code or such defects. The sender is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=32804ce246c994e2603d174510822941 **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
On 06/07/12 12:03 (GMT+1000) Richard Czeiger apparently typed: Well, Gaspar's code seems like a pretty easy solution - wouldn't you say? So simple it looks like an amateur did it. If he made the characters big enough to see and, more importantly, made the group of buttons center across the entire viewport, like http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/alphabet2.html , I might have a different opinion. -- If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 3:23 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Richard's alphabet is a simple row array, which is not naturally rendered by any popular graphical user agent as any kind of row list (dl, ul, ol). As a semantic dl, ul or ol, no user with page styles unavailable will see anything remotely resembling the row format that Richard wants, unlike what Bob proposed. A table is as good as (X)HTML provides to semantically provide a row array. Felix, it seems that your entire argument is based on what the user sees without styling applied. HTML IS NOT A PRESENTATIONAL LANGUAGE. It should not matter what the user sees if they do not have styling applied, because if they disable styling they obviously don't care about how things look! Presentation is to be taken care of by stylesheets. I am new to this list, but I would think that these things would be obvious to anyone who claims to understand Web standards. These are very core, principle parts of the standards we are talking about here! HTML for semantic structure, CSS for presentation, DOM scripting for behavior. What a strange argument that is going on here... talking about data types in a language that is not typed... I think we should all just go with Geoff's suggestion for the grocery list and call it a night. Sorry for shouting. Matt Heerema www.directsteps.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
So simple it looks like an amateur did it. Russ Weakley mentioned comments such as this during WebStock. He pointed out that discussion lists, forums and blog comments are becoming full of rude remarks made by (primarily) young, white, male, socially-inept geeks. While I do not know Felix's race, gender or age I would suggest that he / she take a much more gentle approach to his / her comments on this list and people will be far more likely to listen. My 2c, and as 'payment' for this post: http://www.maccaws.org/kit/way-forward/#benefits The Business benefits of Web Standards - succinct, well reasoned points to beat management over the head with... Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Felix - your attitude is not appreciated. There's absolutely no need for this kind of language whatsoever. Gaspar and everyone else on this list deserves respect. Those who have been around longer and are more knowledgable should work to educate and inform those whose passion exceeds their experience. We were all newbies once, we were all amatuers, some of us even having worked professionally in the field since the earliest days of CSS are STILL learning... we live in a world which changes very rapidly (one of the things most developers love about it) and we need to have others who are tolerant enough to point out where we can improve ourselves or to fill the gaps in our knowledge. Unless you write the CSS spec and have contributed to every browser's development AND spent every night trying to find every possible hack and bug, then you TOO will continue to find that you do not know everything. Please make your arguments logical and above all, professional. If you can't - then I suggest you simply don't at all. Richard - Original Message - From: Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] So simple it looks like an amateur did it. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
