Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)

[Nick Fitzsimons]

On 14 Dec 2006, at 17:46:58, Rob O'Rourke wrote:


Nick Fitzsimons wrote:

On 13 Dec 2006, at 22:18:42, Rob O'Rourke wrote:

I need to get control of what hasLayout and what doesn't before I  
can work out what's really going on.




Use Microsoft's IE Developer Toolbar's DOM Inspector:




It will allow you to walk through the DOM tree for your page;  
"hasLayout" will show up in the "Styles" pane for all elements  
having that most peculiar property.



I like it, thanks!


No problem :-)

I need to turn google toolbar off to use it though, tried outlining  
inputs and it crashed my PC. It doesn't surprise me in the least  
though...


Nor me :-( Have you checked you have the latest version of Google  
Toolbar? I know the two have had problems running together in the  
past, but thought there'd been a fix. (Still, it's only a Beta.)



I'm getting a mac for christmas =]


A Mac is for life, not just for Christmas :-)

Cheers,

Nick.
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Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)

[Rob O'Rourke]

Nick Fitzsimons wrote:

On 13 Dec 2006, at 22:18:42, Rob O'Rourke wrote:

I need to get control of what hasLayout and what doesn't before I can 
work out what's really going on.




Use Microsoft's IE Developer Toolbar's DOM Inspector:

 



It will allow you to walk through the DOM tree for your page; 
"hasLayout" will show up in the "Styles" pane for all elements having 
that most peculiar property.


HTH,

Nick.
--Nick Fitzsimons
http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/



I like it, thanks!
I need to turn google toolbar off to use it though, tried outlining 
inputs and it crashed my PC. It doesn't surprise me in the least 
though... I'm getting a mac for christmas =]


Cheers Nick

Rob O



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Re: [WSG] Last letter of a line appearing on next row (IE6...)

[Nick Fitzsimons]

On 13 Dec 2006, at 22:18:42, Rob O'Rourke wrote:

I need to get control of what hasLayout and what doesn't before I  
can work out what's really going on.




Use Microsoft's IE Developer Toolbar's DOM Inspector:




It will allow you to walk through the DOM tree for your page;  
"hasLayout" will show up in the "Styles" pane for all elements having  
that most peculiar property.


HTH,

Nick.
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http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/





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RE: [WSG] [spam] urgent help with navigation li

[Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media]]

Thank you so much Terry I can see where my error was...
You just save my live.

Regards,

Gerardo Chairez

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Enviado el: Jueves, 14 de Diciembre de 2006 03:08 a.m.
Para: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Asunto: Re: [WSG] [spam] urgent help with navigation li

Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media] wrote:
> Hello Guys,
>
> I´m having some troubles trying to make this navigation works
> propertly... I just can´t figure it out what is wrong with the css.
>
> The site http://www.addictivemedia.com.mx/costena/
> The css http://www.addictivemedia.com.mx/costena/includes/global.css

Hi Gerardo,
Replace your #navegacion a {...} rule with the one below:
#navegacion a {float:left;display:block;padding:0 5px;line-height:1.8em}

---
Regards,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com



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[WSG] New tools for checking accessibility of dynamically generated web resources

[Jon Gunderson]

**New version of the Functional Accessibility Evaluator (FAE) and the
Mozilla/Firefox Accessibility Extension are now available.

=
Mozilla/Firefox Accessibility Extension 1.0
http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu

New Features in Version 1.00.1

* Send dynamically generated web pages to Functional Accessibility Evaluator
for accessibility evaluations and reporting

* Menu reorganization to match organization of CITES/DRES Web Accessibility
Best Practices
http://html.cita.uiuc.edu

* Links to accessibility checkers in the "Tools" options

* Improved keyboard navigation features

=
Functional Accessibility Evaluator 0.9.1
http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu

1. This release introduces user accounts, which should have the following
effects: (a) spam-bot attacks should be less frequent if not prevented
altogether, and (b) this should speed up evaluations for registered users.
(In a follow-up release, the addition of user accounts will permit selective
display of Archived Reports on a per-user basis.)

2. Changes to rules/tests:
(a) The Scripting/Dynamic Content test that detects the use of the
JavaScript functions document.write and document.writeln has been removed;

(b) The Navigation Bars test that reports whether lists of links are
immediately preceded by a header element has been modified such that one or
more violations of the rule produce, at maximum, a warning.

3. Firefox Web Accessibility Extension Support
Test dynamically generated web pages using the Firefox Web Accessibility
Extension.  The extension sends the dymaically generated web page to FAE to
generate an accessibility report.
http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu



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Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups

[Joseph R. B. Taylor]

Fortunately, getting alternate content about the image to the user is a 
no-brainer.


It will become a matter of making sure your markup has the appropriate 
attributes (title, alt, longdesc) and add your javascript afterwards.


I haven't gone back and picked through the lightbox .js code to see if 
it runs all the tests it should before running the effect, but I have a 
feeling that a nice series of tests like:

--
if (document.getElementById) {

- or -

if (something a little more complex that a browser would handle but 
screenreader would not) {



might result in the effect only running if javascript is fully (or 
mostly) supported.


The optimal solution would probably add in the typical 'rel=lightbox[]' 
to the images during the load events, so screenreaders would hopefully 
not encounter it at all.  At this point the 'rel' attribute is actually 
going into the markup.  This is pretty easy to work around thanks to the 
DOM.


Again, a good understanding of JAWS javascript limits/support is 
essential to come up with the solution.  I myself was unable to find a 
definitive list of events/calls that are supported/unsupported beyond 
some testing of the 'onmouseover' attribute


Joseph R. B. Taylor
http://sitesbyjoe.com

Brad Pollard wrote:


Steve,

You mentioned that lightbox implementations are not accessible in that JAWs 
does not read any of the displayed content I see this as a real problem 
as the "new approach" to displaying images etc has been to use lightbox or 
something similar.


Joe, it would be good to know whether setting focus makes a difference to 
JAWs.


Anyone else got any ideas? I agree popups (in the traditional target=blah) 
is an approach that should not be used for many reasons. So how do we tell 
screenreaders a) to ignore the lightbox javascript and follow the href, OR 
b) that new content is being displayed?


A great conversation this one. Will it end?

~ brad



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To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups


Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote:
 


You're right, many people do request them, but this is typically based
on past experience and believing that a popup is the only solution.
As the developer, its your job to either a) do what ever the client
wants, including using popups, or b) advise them of the pitfalls of
the technique.
   


From the other replies on this thread it would appear that, though
there are pitfalls with the pop-up, its not clear that there is an
adequate alternative.

Is there more lateral thinking required here? It seems like the cleverer
you get with your techniques the more potential hoops there are to jump
through.

If its hard to find an answer, maybe I'm asking the wrong question.
Should the question be:
'Do you have an accessible solution that satisfies all or most of the
requirements that are met by the use of a pop-up in a given situation'?

Kind Regards
 



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Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups

[Tom Livingston]

On 12/13/06 7:59 AM, "Chris Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would like to know, is it possible to have XHTML 1.0 strict compliant
> pop-ups?
> 
> It is possible to include javascript so that a page can have a pop-up
> link and validate (as an alternative to target) but that doesn't make it
> compliant.

I apologize if the resources/links mentioned in this thread are similar to
this idea, but I was wondering about an absolutely (or whatever)
positioned/high z-index div that is shown/hid in-page above regular content?
Initial negative margin so it is out of site, but "readable". Click moves it
on screen (show) with clear methods of dismissing it. Around here the
layman's term for this is "use a layer". The user doesn't leave the original
page. The back button works if confusion should arise.

Is this a better alternative?

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[WSG Announce] World Wide Web-a-thon - hopefully not that long to wait :)

[russ - maxdesign]

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As many people have already pointed out, there was a date error in the last
announce email...

> So when does it start? June 2008 will see the inaugural competition - a
> trans-Tasman grudge match between Australia and New Zealand to be held
> in Australia.

That should, of course, be June 2007  :)

Thanks
Russ




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[WSG Announce] World Wide Web-a-thon - an international competition with two teams building a website in a day

[russ - maxdesign]

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Hi all,

A message from Mike Brown, Web Standards Group core member and Webstock
organiser.



For those that missed the announcement in Wellington last week...

Webstock  and WIPA  are more than
pleased - in fact hugely excited - to announce "World Wide Web-a-thon", the
start of an international series of web competitions.

Yes, geek Olympics is happening!

The concept is simple. A team of the representatives from two countries take
each other on, at the same location, to build a complete website in 24
hours. No excuses, no extensions and no overrun budgets.

What sort of website will the teams be building? Webstock and WIPA will be
approaching a range of charity organisations to see who is interested in
coming on board. The aim is to hand over a fully functional website to a
Charity organisation at the end of the 24 hour period.

Each country selects a team, with people filling the following positions:
- Project manager
- Information architect
- Graphic designer
- HTML/CSS marker-upper
- Programmer
- Usability purveyor
- Captain's choice (can be from any speciality)

Neither of the teams will know who they'll be building the website for until
a briefing session at the beginning of the 24 hour period. They'll be given
content, images and the chance to receive a brief from a representative of
the chosen charity. They'll have complete freedom as to the platform and
setup they use - Ruby on Rails, Windows or LAMP, it's all part of the fun.

At the end of 24 hours, a team of judges will review both sites and select
the winner. International pride, bragging rights and a trophy will follow
for the winning team.

So when does it start? June 2008 will see the inaugural competition - a
trans-Tasman grudge match between Australia and New Zealand to be held
in Australia.

This event will include live blogging as well as Twitter and YouTube action
throughout the 24 hour period. For those who cannot participate, you will
still be able to see the entire event taking place online.

Webstock 2008 (Wellington, New Zealand in February 2008) will see the
geek Olympics really take off with international teams from as many
countries as can make it. It will be 24 hours of international competition
followed by a week of the best web event held in New Zealand!

There's a lot more details to work through but we think it's such a good
idea we want to get everyone else as excited as we are.

Are you interested in being a representative for your country? Are you
interested in organising a team for your country? To let us know, and for
more information please contact:

Mike Brown (Webstock)
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Russ Weakley (WIPA)
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Thank you,
Mike Brown




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Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.

[James Gollan]

Or you can use a module (pathauto) that will automatically create paths
based on any of a number of settings, including categories etc. It actually
is a nice system - full support for clean urls etc.

On 12/14/06, Richard Buggy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 13:16 +1030, Matthew Smith wrote:
> I've played with Drupal a couple of times, but have never delved too
> deep.  Most things look OK, but the URI scheme is ghastly, although I
> guess that it should be possible to change that without too much effort.

You just need to fill in the "URL path settings" when creating or
editing a node (page). If you don't then you get node/xxx by default.

  Rich.

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Re: [WSG] [spam] urgent help with navigation li

[Thierry Koblentz]

Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media] wrote:
> Hello Guys,
>
> I´m having some troubles trying to make this navigation works
> propertly... I just can´t figure it out what is wrong with the css.
>
> The site http://www.addictivemedia.com.mx/costena/
> The css http://www.addictivemedia.com.mx/costena/includes/global.css

Hi Gerardo,
Replace your #navegacion a {...} rule with the one below:
#navegacion a {float:left;display:block;padding:0 5px;line-height:1.8em}

---
Regards,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com



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[WSG] [spam] urgent help with navigation li

[Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media]]

Hello Guys,

I´m having some troubles trying to make this navigation works
propertly... I just can´t figure it out what is wrong with the css…

The site http://www.addictivemedia.com.mx/costena/
The css http://www.addictivemedia.com.mx/costena/includes/global.css
The navigation code:


Quiénes Somos 
Productos
RecetasNoticias
Promociones


Inicio | Contáctanos | Mapa
de Sitio | English 

On the top right side it’s the primary navigation items, there are few
items in html text that on the rollover sould be in the middle of the
red zone and the rollover image should be behind them, also, the last
item has to be an image as it’s the logo of the section and it cant be
done in html, can anyone help me please?

I know the site its in Spanish, but the css rules apply in every
language...

Also… if anyone has further recommendations about this site would be
highly appreciated… thanx again…

Regards,

Gerardo Cháirez




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