Re: [WSG] Danish Ministry of Taxation spend 1.38 million US dollars on just a new logo insert on web site

[James Ellis]

People, while amusing, this is getting slightly offtopic for the group. If
it can be kept on topic - e.g discussion on how to make a a compliant
template so that you can do this work in 5 minutes then go for it, otherwise
the topic will be closed off.

Cheers

James
admin


On 12/31/06, Soren Johannessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Steve:

The reason why they want a new logo is that 4 danish authorities in the
tax area have been merged together here in 2006. So they want have a
standard logo for all of them, this is a fair reason to  decide  a new
logo. But what  have  been in the media is the amount of money just
spending on implementation". 4 times the amount of buying the logo. But
always the media is only interesting in scandals stories like "The Waste
of the tax payers money", so I can't answer your questions below.

The only  thing the consultant Ole Weber on the logo project  from
Danish Ministry of Taxation is saying in media "Our system is made so
that we have to manually copy and paste the code for logo on each page "
However this must be a rich lesson, not to have so closed systems "Tag
soup?" so you can't change anything minor layout without spending huge
amounts of hours

Soren
PS: happy new year to you all




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Re: [WSG] Firefox stops rendering background when changing .html to .xhtml

[nene]

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:51:11 +, "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Ron Jonk wrote:
>> I've read it before in this list that backgound rendering on xhtml on
>> the body is not always supported for xhtml strict documents.
> 
> In XHTML, the BODY isn't "magic" anymore in that it does only take up as
> much space as its (non-floated) content. To be on the safe side, I'd say
>   that if you can't guarantee how much content will be there (a
> screenful, half a screen, etc), apply your background to HTML itself,
> not BODY.
> 
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Re: [WSG] Firefox stops rendering background when changing .html to .xhtml

[~davidLaakso]

~davidLaakso wrote:

Ron Jonk wrote:
I've read it before in this list that backgound rendering on xhtml on 
the body is not always supported for xhtml strict documents.
But I found this very strange( i don't know if this already has been 
a topic):
On firefox when I have a background image for my body tag on a xhtml 
strict doctyped document, I still see the background rendered even if 
there is no content.
But when I only change the extension of the file from .html to .xhtml 
firefox stops background rendering when there is no content. IE still 
renders the background.



I am sure I understand.


Should read: I am *not* sure I understand :-) .
{trimmed]

HTH.
~dL


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Re: [WSG] Firefox stops rendering background when changing .html to .xhtml

[~davidLaakso]

Ron Jonk wrote:
I've read it before in this list that backgound rendering on xhtml on 
the body is not always supported for xhtml strict documents.
But I found this very strange( i don't know if this already has been a 
topic):
On firefox when I have a background image for my body tag on a xhtml 
strict doctyped document, I still see the background rendered even if 
there is no content.
But when I only change the extension of the file from .html to .xhtml 
firefox stops background rendering when there is no content. IE still 
renders the background.



I am sure I understand.

I have three test files all of them use this doctype:
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>

1] this is xhtml

The background color is on the *body* and compliant browsers will paint 
to the bottom of the content.

IE can not render xhtml and will not open the file.

2] this is /also/ xhtml

The background color is on the *body and html* and compliant browsers 
will paint to the entire screen.

IE can not render xhtml and will not open the file.

2] this is not xhtml-- it is html

The background color is on the *body* and IE and compliant browsers will 
paint the entire screen.


HTH.
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Re: [WSG] Firefox stops rendering background when changing .html to .xhtml

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Ron Jonk wrote:
I've read it before in this list that backgound rendering on xhtml on 
the body is not always supported for xhtml strict documents.


In XHTML, the BODY isn't "magic" anymore in that it does only take up as 
much space as its (non-floated) content. To be on the safe side, I'd say 
 that if you can't guarantee how much content will be there (a 
screenful, half a screen, etc), apply your background to HTML itself, 
not BODY.


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Re: [WSG] Firefox stops rendering background when changing .html to .xhtml

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Ron Jonk wrote:

I've read it before in this list that backgound rendering on xhtml on
 the body is not always supported for xhtml strict documents.


Background rendering in itself is always supported.

On firefox when I have a background image for my body tag on a xhtml 
strict doctyped document, I still see the background rendered even if

there is no content.


If (correct)...
MIME type from server: text/html

- All browsers should handle it as a regular HTML(4.01) document -
regardless of doctype/extension.

Example: 


But when I only change the extension of the file from .html to .xhtml
 firefox stops background rendering when there is no content. IE 
still renders the background.


If (correct)...
MIME type from server: application/xhtml+xml

- Firefox should handle it as predefined XML where body is just another
container that doesn't take up any space unless you give it one. So, you
may not get any background.
- IE/win shouldn't handle the document at all since it doesn't
understand the MIME type. *If* IE/win does handle the document, then the
MIME type isn't correct (for whatever reason) or it isn't handled
correct, and the document is probably handled as a regular HTML(4.01)
document - regardless of doctype/extension.

Example: 

Browsers can tell you what they are being served.
In Firefox check 'Tools --> Page Info'.
For IE/win, read here...



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RE: [WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working

[Hrvoje Markovic]

I thought it might be that, but it seemed so stupid for a few reasons: 1) it 
doesn't affect http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal03.htm, or 
ANY of the other ones there, and 2) aren't LIs block level so whitespace 
between them doesn't matter? Maybe text-align affects this?


By the way thanks for the solution!



From: Kepler Gelotte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:51:52 -0500

Hi,

> I'm seeing this glitch in Opera 9, IE7, FF 2...
> On both http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm AND
> http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal27.htm I see a one
> character wide whitespace (bluespace because of the bg color) before 
every


> link, except the first one.

What is causing the sliver of whitespace is the gap between the list
elements in the html. If you remove it as in:


Item
oneItem twoItem
threeItem fourItem
five


The slight gap on hover goes away.

Regards,
Kepler Gelotte, President Neighbor Webmaster, Inc.
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Re: [WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Hrvoje Markovic wrote:
I'm seeing this glitch in Opera 9, IE7, FF 2... On both 
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm AND 
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal27.htm I see a one 
character wide whitespace (bluespace because of the bg color) before 
every link, except the first one. Is there a way to fix this?


Not pixel-perfect when font-resizing is added into the mix.

On...

...you can add...
#navcontainer ul li a {margin-right: -.2em;}

...and on...

#navcontainer li a {margin-right: -.2em;}
...will pretty much do the trick.

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RE: [WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working

[Kepler Gelotte]

Hi,

> I'm seeing this glitch in Opera 9, IE7, FF 2...
> On both http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm AND 
> http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal27.htm I see a one 
> character wide whitespace (bluespace because of the bg color) before every

> link, except the first one.

What is causing the sliver of whitespace is the gap between the list
elements in the html. If you remove it as in:


Item
oneItem twoItem
threeItem fourItem
five


The slight gap on hover goes away.

Regards,
Kepler Gelotte, President Neighbor Webmaster, Inc.
  address: 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854
  web: www.neighborwebmaster.com
phone/fax: (732) 302-0904




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Re: [WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working

[Hrvoje Markovic]

No, that's the thing, it's on the pages (the links I put up). When you hover 
over let's say "Item Three", don't you still see a little left over dark 
blue between the white 1px border and the hover color (light blue)? It 
SHOULD be the same as 
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal03.htm, except with 
text-align:center. I doubt it's just me, since I'm viewing it in 3 different 
browsers.




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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:29:24 +

On 12/30/06, Hrvoje Markovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On both http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm AND
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal27.htm I see a one
character wide whitespace (bluespace because of the bg color) before every
link, except the first one. Is there a way to fix this? Is there another
method that has such good browser support (all except IE5)? I searched,
but
couldn't find an alternative. Many thanks,



Do you mean on those pages, or on your site that uses the code from those
pages? Those pages look fine to me, which suggests you have a problem
somewhere in your CSS that is causing the issue. If you can provide a link
to your version of the navigation bar, someone may be able to point out 
what

is going wrong.


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Re: [WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working

[Matthew Pennell]

On 12/30/06, Hrvoje Markovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On both http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm AND
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal27.htm I see a one
character wide whitespace (bluespace because of the bg color) before every
link, except the first one. Is there a way to fix this? Is there another
method that has such good browser support (all except IE5)? I searched,
but
couldn't find an alternative. Many thanks,



Do you mean on those pages, or on your site that uses the code from those
pages? Those pages look fine to me, which suggests you have a problem
somewhere in your CSS that is causing the issue. If you can provide a link
to your version of the navigation bar, someone may be able to point out what
is going wrong.


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[WSG] Listamatic Centred horizontal list navbars not working

[Hrvoje Markovic]

Hello folks,
I'm seeing this glitch in Opera 9, IE7, FF 2...
On both http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm AND 
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal27.htm I see a one 
character wide whitespace (bluespace because of the bg color) before every 
link, except the first one. Is there a way to fix this? Is there another 
method that has such good browser support (all except IE5)? I searched, but 
couldn't find an alternative. Many thanks,

Hrvoje

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[WSG] Firefox stops rendering background when changing .html to .xhtml

[Ron Jonk]

I've read it before in this list that backgound rendering on xhtml on  
the body is not always supported for xhtml strict documents.
But I found this very strange( i don't know if this already has been  
a topic):
On firefox when I have a background image for my body tag on a xhtml  
strict doctyped document, I still see the background rendered even if  
there is no content.
But when I only change the extension of the file from .html to .xhtml  
firefox stops background rendering when there is no content. IE still  
renders the background.




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