Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Andrew Maben
Thanks Kat! I've been following this discussion and feeling like a cat at Wimbledon, following the points back and forth... For me this is the definitive match point! Now do you have an equally incisive answer for sup and sub? Andrew Maben 109b SE 4th Av Gainesville FL 32601 Cell:

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Rob Kirton
Andrew I believe that Kat is correct in her approach, though would suggest that the class is applied to an em tag set, therefore will still be shown as being employed even if CSS is disabled for whatever reason. -- Regards - Rob Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk Linking in with

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i (and lang)

2007-01-18 Thread Designer
Katrina wrote: 2) Language usage such as Latin as this is a long standing convention in print and must be retained (thus not styled via CSS). Example: i lang=laLorem ispum/i I actually come across this situation from time to time and I have ummed and ahhed over what the best thing

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Rob Kirton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andrew I believe that Kat is correct in her approach, though would suggest that the class is applied to an em tag set, therefore will still be shown as being employed even if CSS is disabled for whatever reason. N...if it's not an emphasis, don't

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Barney Carroll
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: End of the day: if you're really after showing a visual style even if CSS is unavailable or disabled, heck, stick with presentational markup and use i then, and don't abuse em where it's not appropriate. Call me sad, but I love these conversations. As far as I'm

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Rob Kirton
Patrick You may have misunderstood my approach, or we may agree to differ Katrina's remark was My final answer is to place it in spans, such as span class=species lang=latinEchium plantagineum/span because: I am suggesting that an em should be used with the same class. That is if she so

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Andrew Ingram
My understanding is that screen-readers will place an audible emphasis on em and strong tags, but do nothing for i and b. When i'm reading a sentence that has latin phrases such as /as nauseum/, I don't put an audible emphasis on those words, or any emphasis at all in fact. The latin words

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Barney Carroll
Rob Kirton wrote: I am suggesting that an em should be used with the same class. That is if she so wishes or as convention dictates, latin emphasis can be made italic and globally changed if required later. Other forms of emphasis could be applied for non latin phrases / other purposes. I

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread David Dorward
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 02:01:49PM +, Barney Carroll wrote: Emphasis and strong emphasis are far stronger and more independent concepts, and have that sought-after advantage of creating the same visual effects by default, without recourse to CSS. If your top priority is making your text

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Barney Carroll
David Dorward wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 02:01:49PM +, Barney Carroll wrote: Emphasis and strong emphasis are far stronger and more independent concepts, and have that sought-after advantage of creating the same visual effects by default, without recourse to CSS. If your top priority

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Adesanwo
Hello Andrew, Michael his my name am newlly Web-designer here in Nigeria. and am looking for friend around the world to help me and build me to the world taste of the corparate designing. So kindly help me with things you know it will be in a help on creating web-site. And if i want to have my

Re: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Adesanwo
Hello Michael, am also Michael and i am newlly Web-designer graduate here in Nigeria. and am looking for friend around the world to help me and build me to the world taste of the corparate designing. So kindly help me with things you know it will be in a help on creating web-site. And if i want

RE: [WSG] Legitimate uses of b and i

2007-01-18 Thread Sunday John
Hi Michael, This list is good enough for you to learn basic and extensive problem in web designing. If you have a problem just put it on and you will receive enough answers to you're your problem. _ From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael

[WSG] You definitely have to see...

2007-01-18 Thread Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer
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Re: [WSG] You definitely have to see...

2007-01-18 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer at 01/19/07 14:41... http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/01/13/30-dark-designs-you-shouldve-seen/ I just get a 500 error. Cheers M -- Matthew Smith IT Consultancy Web Application Development Business: http://www.kbc.net.au/ Personal:

Re: [WSG] You definitely have to see...

2007-01-18 Thread Noah
yeah, looks like just a little WSG popularity is enuf to kill that puppy! Here are some good ones off the list: http://ebonmusic.com/ http://www.vlp2005.com.ar/futbol7/index.php http://www.jor-on.com/ http://www.asemota.de/stenog/welcome enjoy! Noah --

Re: [WSG] You definitely have to see...

2007-01-18 Thread Raena Jackson Armitage
I got there fine by browsing there from the homepage; it's a fair way down. On 1/19/07, Noah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, looks like just a little WSG popularity is enuf to kill that puppy! Here are some good ones off the list: http://ebonmusic.com/

Re: [WSG] [OT] What happend to WebDesign-L?

2007-01-18 Thread Donna Jones
I had a subscription to the WebDesign mailing list at http://webdesign-L.com/. Suddenly, a couple months ago, I stopped receiving any mail from the list. I have tried to re-subscribe, with no response. I have tried sending messages to the list-mom at both his list-mom address and his private