Re: [WSG] when i turn css off
lol. sometimes i love sarcasm. dwain On 2/20/07, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 19, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Dwain Alford wrote: when i tiurn css off on a page i have done everything reverts to default (i.e. h1, h2, etc.) and lines up down the left side of the page. without using tables, is there a way to maintain the layout when css is turned off? dwain Hmmm Is there a way to make a over worked woman who constantly get beatup up by clients ridiculours request to look radiant in the afternoon when she woke up, without taking take a bath, have her cup of black coffee and without putting up her makeup? Sorry, I just can't resist. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford p.o. box 145 winfield, alabama 35594 u.s.a. tele: 205.487.2570 cell: 205.495.5619 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Opera 9.10 Margin
Thanks David - look forward to the new release. I've put in a dreaded span to solve the problem for now. Much appreciated Sarah :) You could possibly use a dotted border instead of an image for the vertical pipe, but the one pixel issue is a Opera bug as it works correctly in our public builds of Opera 9.2. Development is wrapping up shortly on 9.2, so it should be out soon. you can test the page using this build by downloading the weekly at http://my.opera.com/ desktopteam/blog/ Thanks, David Storey Chief Web Opener Opera Software ASA -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd production *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
re: [WSG] Article: creating drop cap on the fly
I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_drop_cap.asp Looks good, if you decrease the font size by one or two than the drop cap indent goes way in. Is there a way to fix that. -best kvnmcwbn *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Article: creating drop cap on the fly
Kevin McMonagle wrote:
I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/the_perfect_drop_cap.asp
Looks good, if you decrease the font size by one or two than the drop cap indent goes way in.
Is there a way to fix that.
-best
kvnmcwbn
Nice work but using drop-caps you have to pay attention to line-height
or you end up with unwanted space underneath the image. The image is
about 57px tall so you want the line-height to be a multiple of that.
Try adding the following to your example page to see the difference it
makes:
p { line-height: 19px; clear: left; }
it might be better to use the em equivalent of 19px though.
Rob
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Re: [WSG] Opera 9.10 Margin
However I already have a background image on the li elements (the
vertical pipe separating each link), and I have not found a way to add
this extra image as a background the the first element.
Have you tried adding it to the a instead? Just use a contextual
selector after that...
li.first a {
backgroundetc
}
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RE: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the map and area tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: http://www.heliosdg.com/mgcaf/)? I did some testing by turning images off in IE7 and Firefox but the alt tag data doesn't appear. Does that mean screen readers can't find the information? Would it be best to provide a tags below the mapped image in case the image doesn't load? I also googled for web standards and the map area tags but didn't come up with much. Regards, Patrick Bruno Art Director Helios Design Group/JM Digital Corporation John C. Stennis Space Center Building 1210, Suite 116 Stennis Space Center, MS 39529 ph: 228-688-2522 cell: 601-425-4059 fax: 228-688-1566 www.heliosdg.com www.jmdigicorp.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:32:15 -, Patrick Bruno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the map and area tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: http://www.heliosdg.com/mgcaf/)? I did some testing by turning images off in IE7 and Firefox but the alt tag Attribute! data doesn't appear. Does that mean screen readers can't find the information? No (which is not to say that they can either), but it does mean that people using those browsers with images disabled (Gosh, bandwidth on Vodafone is expensive, I'll turn images off) will have problems. http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/mapalt.html is a good document on the subject. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ - Freshly redesigned *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
W3C says: try to avoid server-side image maps [xhtml] a better setup (IMHO), is to use a definition list, drop your image in the background of the dl, giving it the image size, use dt and 3 dd's in a two row setup to overlay the image. add text [no display] and links, ... your in business. -chuck == On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Patrick Bruno wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the map and area tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Issue - opinions please
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:36:18 -, Charles Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the standards use of the map and area tags (like I'm doing here on the 2007 image of the left column: W3C says: try to avoid server-side image maps [xhtml] If it is using area elements, then its a client side image map. a better setup (IMHO), is to use a definition list, drop your image in the background of the dl, giving it the image size, use dt and 3 dd's in a two row setup to overlay the image. add text [no display] and links, ... your in business. Suffers from the usual problems of FIR. i.e. No alt text if images are disabled and no content screen readers can get to. It also uses the rather dubious practise of having of a definition list as a generic key/values list. Also, I don't understand what content you expect to put in the term and what values you expect to put in the descriptions. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ - Freshly redesigned *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hr won't turn black
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a comparison, try removing all of your P tags, and see if the white space they give you is purely presentational! Paragraph elements only give white space because they are told to by CSS. Instead of paragraphs, I could use almost any other element (depending on the page, I could probably even use noscripts and even get it to validate) and in any even semi-modern browser I could make it look identical. What gives paragraph elements their value isn't their white space (screen readers and search engines don't see the white space), it's that by excepted standards they denote a paragraph of text. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (21/2/07)
** This is a one-way list for WSG Announcements ** This email covers: - Links for light reading - WSG and Industry events - Web standards related jobs (2 job this week) If you have an event, resource or relevant job you'd like posted (from any country), please let me know - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- LINKS FOR LIGHT READING -- This weeks links for light reading are also available here: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/2007/02/21/some-links-116/ Printing the Web: Solutions and Techniques http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/02/21/printing-the-web-solutions-and-te chniques/ web standards and accessibility http://www.onsman.com/?p=34 Planet Microformats http://planetmicroformats.com/ Why microformats http://www.whymicroformats.com/pages/home Three Hypotheses of Human Interface Design http://tantek.com/log/2007/02.html#d19t1813 Beyond Validation http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/01/beyond-validation/ 15 CSS Properties You Probably Never Use (but perhaps should) http://www.seomoz.org/blog/css-properties-you-probably-never-use Search doesn't compete with navigation http://www.steptwo.com.au/columntwo/archives/002376.html#002376 Understanding and solving the JavaScript/CSS entanglement phenomenon http://arapehlivanian.com/2007/02/14/understanding-and-solving-the-javascrip tcss-entanglement-phenomenon/ Frevvo - Web form builder http://www.frevvo.com/frevvo/web/home Wikipatterns http://www.wikipatterns.com/display/wikipatterns/Wikipatterns Download Tabmenu for free http://www.kollermedia.at/archive/2007/02/20/download-tabmenu-for-free/ XHTML 1.1 Second Edition: Working Draft http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xhtml11-20070216/ Web Design Tutorials http://www.designmeme.com/articles/ Web 2.0 Webdesign-Tutorials http://www.drweb.de/weblog/weblog/?p=780 Top Five Articles for Presenters http://www.digital-web.com/news/2007/02/top_five_articles_for_presenters/ -- WSG AND INDUSTRY EVENTS -- Usability evaluation (Canberra) - 27-28 February --- This 2-day course provides you with a range of evaluation techniques to suit every project. http://www.hiser.com.au/courses/usability_evaluation.html WebJam (Sydney) - 1 March --- you've done something cool on the web lately, show the rest of us. We're looking for 16 presenters to show us their sharpest recent web work, but they only get three minutes. Previous presenters are welcome - if they have something new to show! Voting is back - winner gets bragging rights and a yet-to-be-determined prize http://webjam.com.au/ Search Engine Summit (Sydney) - 1-2 March --- Coming to Sydney in March 2007, Search Summit is a search marketing conference focusing on both basic training as well as strategy and tactics for industry pros. Take advantage of this opportunity to do some business networking with other Search Industry professionals while picking up practical knowledge to increase your marketing skills. http://www.searchsummit.com.au/ BarCamp (Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney) - 3-4 March --- A BarCamp is an ad-hoc gathering born from the desire for people to share and learn in an open environment. It is an intense event with discussions, demos, and interaction from participants. If you want to attend, you are encouraged to give a presentation or a demo of some kind. http://barcamp.org/BarCampAdelaide http://barcamp.org/BarCampMelbourne http://barcamp.org/BarCampSydney Update: Sydney is 3 March only - not 4 March! Web Accessibility Workshops (Adelaide) - 8 March --- These full-day workshops run by Vision Australia are targeted at web-development team leaders, corporate communications professionals and business managers, along with content authors, web programmers and designers and web contract managers. The workshops provide a thorough overview of accessibility issues and how to address them. It covers the World Wide Web Consortium's Content Accessibility Guidelines and their implementation and a consideration of assessment tools and techniques. Adelaide Registration Details: http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=966 Information architecture: designing intuitive menus (Canberra) - 13 March --- This 1-day course gives you a set of tools to design easy-to-use menus. Through a series of case studies and practical exercises you can learn to create and present high-level and lower-level content categories that help users to easily reach content on your site. http://www.hiser.com.au/courses/ia_-_designing_intuitive_menus.html Taming the content beast: Bob Boiko tour --- This two-day masterclass by Bob Boiko, author of the Content Management Bible, will provide proven solutions to the hardest of content management challenges. Out
[WSG] Float Hell, or...?
Pretty plase, see: http://tinyurl.com/2gd54w http://www.webmasterworld.com/re4.cgi?f=83d=3258173url=http://tinyurl.com/2gd54w and the css... http://tinyurl.com/ynwq9d http://www.webmasterworld.com/re4.cgi?f=83d=3258173url=http://tinyurl.com/ynwq9d Float hell, or... collapsed margins or...? Can't see straight any more. Deadline, for a site I just inherited... I have validated, studied hard over MANY of the greatest new CSS books, and busted tail on this thing all weekend, to get a good, sound cross-platform CSS standard banner template from which to grind out a bunch of prototype html for waiting developers. The painful irony... without my trying for this, is... IE 7: (IE x.x being my client's main standard, eeh... for their own VERY broad client base (support/customer service) Not that I trust it from what I know, but... The page looks almost perfect in IE7, apart from the dropped/hidden 3-item Login menu, top right. A float issue, I assume...? You can see this little login menu on it's own next line down, with a click-dragged cursor over it, if you try, if you care... I have to.) (Note: Login menu is now a p, not a ul so as not to fight with the other two main menu lists and all their list properties, to simplify.) But the BIG SUCK... Firefox 2.: (my baby and golden standard) The whole darn banner collapses UP, all to heck. Gr! Any and all help much appreciated... Hopefully much of it is a related issue. Thank you! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
