Re: [WSG] MS Staff Blogs not W3C compliant...
This may sound a bit like im pissing all over your fire here, but I was bored, and in typical me fashion, I had to check your own site against the same validators that you ran passed the microsoft blogs... All good, except for the feedback page (http://egressive.com/HurlDinger/Feedback). 5 validation errors (a name attribute on a non-form element in xhtml strict? tut tut :p), and a failure against WCAG level 1 (for no labels). Sorry, its one of those things you have to do when someone with their own site raises an issue like this (if only for something to do at 3am! :p). Totally agree about Micro$oft being a little 2-faced with their promotion of standards however... I can only guess that they're not using their own Expression software on their blog sites yet :) ... speaking of which, I wonder just how standards compliant this new software will be... will it be standards compliant or just IE7 standards compliant? Thanks, David. Dave Lane wrote: Hi all, A few days ago, my browsers ended up on http://www.microsoft.com/nz/msdn/team.aspx after reading a few stories about IE7 and the fact that it won't be W3C standards compliant like nearly every other browser (e.g. various Mozilla Gecko-based browsers like Firefox, KHTML-based browsers like Safari and Konqueor, and Presto-based browsers like Opera, etc.). Out of mild curiosity, I looked at some of the Microsoft staff blogs linked to from the above page, and again, for the fun of it, ran them through the W3C validator at http://validator.w3.org/check/referer (I use the Firefox web developer extension - a must have for those that don't already use it) Not one of the blogs I looked at came anywhere near conforming to the W3C standards they each purported to support according to their DocTypes. Some pages had 100+ markup errors. I sent messages to the Microsofties whose blogs I tested, alerting them in a friendly tone to this rather embarrassing faux pas (the web equivalent to toilet paper on your shoe upon leaving the loo). I haven't heard back from any of them yet, but I'll be interested to see their response (might post them here if of interest). I encourage those of you who'd like to see Microsoft actually start supporting open web standards to visit those blogs and other MS pages and similarly pass on the friendly message that there's quite a lot they could do to raise their game and play by the rest-of-the-world's rules. Kind regards, Dave *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] MS Staff Blogs not W3C compliant...
Dave wrote: - I sent messages to the Microsofties whose blogs - I tested, alerting them in a friendly tone to - this rather embarrassing faux pas Spare a thought for a team of pro-active developers that are probably working within a massive organisation complete with business dependencies and technology limitations that are very... challenging :) If the rule was You cant publish anything on the web till its perfect, big companies would just not get anywhere. I for one think its extremely positive that Microsoft are making obvious steps towards improving their own offering/s. Dev teams like theirs deserve support. If their efforts to improve are seen and heard by their management as a step in the right direction - then the groundswell builds. Rome wasn't built in a day :) Pete Ottery Head of Design News Interactive A News Limited Company News Interactive 235 Pyrmont Street, Pyrmont NSW Australia Visit the News Interactive Network of sites: (but only if you can handle sites that wont validate just *yet* :) NEWS.com.au | australianIT.com.au | FOXSPORTS.com.au | realestate.com.au | careerone.com.au | carsguide.com.au | homesite.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] MS Staff Blogs not W3C compliant...
From: Dave Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] A few days ago, my browsers ended up on http://www.microsoft.com/nz/msdn/team.aspx after reading a few stories about IE7 and the fact that it won't be W3C standards compliant like nearly every other browser (e.g. various Mozilla Gecko-based browsers like Firefox, KHTML-based browsers like Safari and Konqueor, and Presto-based browsers like Opera, etc.). Out of mild curiosity, I looked at some of the Microsoft staff blogs linked to from the above page, and again, for the fun of it, ran them through the W3C validator at http://validator.w3.org/check/referer (I use the Firefox web developer extension - a must have for those that don't already use it) The IE WebDev toolbar is pretty cool, too... but so is having the W3C validator bookmarked (works in all browsers). I think you've raised some serious issues and I would hope that a criminal investigation ensues. We have a few errors here and there, I'm sure, too - so please don't check us out too carefully ;-) -- Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
