RE: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
I believe that Safari was the first browser to pass the acid test? Mike -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy snip Acid2 is a test page, written to help browser vendors ensure proper support for Web and related standards in their products. http://webstandards.org/action/acid2 Opera is the only browser so far to pass this test , ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
I believe that Safari was the first browser to pass the acid test? Yes, then Konqueror on Linux. Opera is the first PC/Win browser and the first cross-platform browser to pass Acid2. Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:25:57 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that Safari was the first browser to pass the acid test? Mike Yes, Safari (WebKit) was the first browser to pass the test. There are claims that Opera was the second because of scrollbar issues in KHTML/Konqueror. Opera (presto) was at least the second none related browser/rendering engine to pass the test as KHTML and WebKit share a lot of the same code base. Who finished where is irrelevant however as the important thing is we are getting more and more browsers that pass ACID 2, and that are beginning to support the same standards and render the same way without hacks. The closer we all render pages the easier all our jobs will be. As all our products use the same rendering engine, Opera Mobile now also passes ACID 2, which I believe is a first, and shows what can be done on the mobiles now. I'm looking forward to the next generation of sites that take mobiles into account using web standards (handheld stylesheets and media queries) and what unique new services spring up to take advantage of it. IE will take a while to catch up with ACID 2 (and web standards support in general) but their developers are taking the point of view that they need to fix the bugs and implement the standards that most effect web developers, and I think that approach is the right one, as long as they continue the work after IE7 and keep improving with the rest of us. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy snip Acid2 is a test page, written to help browser vendors ensure proper support for Web and related standards in their products. http://webstandards.org/action/acid2 Opera is the only browser so far to pass this test , ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- David Storey Web Opener http://my.opera.com/community/openweb/ Opera Software ASA Oslo, Norway ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: OT, but I deleted David's original thread and can't find his email address... if anybody knows, can you pass it on off-list? Thanks to all who responded. Got it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
Holy crap! I'm not a personal user of Opera, but this attitude alone could change my mind. Kudos to you, David and to your company. If other (*cough* microsoft *cough*) browser makers would take this sort of position in supporting developers there'd be a lot less grief on the web. Well done, Opera. Paul I hope you all like Opera 9. As always if you have issues in Opera on your site feel free to contact me and we will help you find the cause of the problem. If there is anything that Opera doesn't support that you come across when writing scripts then I'll also see what I can do. With Opera 9 we've added DOM Level 2 Style, contentEditable and DesignMode which I think will be useful additions for many designers and support for Web forms 2.0 which is a peek into the future of what we are trying to achieve with the WHAT WG along with Mozilla and Apple. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
Andy Johnson-Cooper Opera Build 9 8490 Internet Explorer 7.0.5358.0 Mozilla Firefox 15.04 Hi I use the above browsers to check my web designing Acid2 is a test page, written to help browser vendors ensure proper support for Web and related standards in their products. http://webstandards.org/action/acid2 Opera is the only browser so far to pass this test , Standards compliant or reference rendering. both faces of the test are correct, however the other 2 browsers are not normally correct. seems to me all the hard work put in to developing standards, many long hours given free and the likes of Microsoft dont seem to take much notice. I design using xhtml and CSS there are so many issues across browsers but my favorite one now to use is Opera. Please give Opera a try Thanks Paul Bennett wrote: Holy crap! I'm not a personal user of Opera, but this attitude alone could change my mind. Kudos to you, David and to your company. If other (*cough* microsoft *cough*) browser makers would take this sort of position in supporting developers there'd be a lot less grief on the web. Well done, Opera. Paul I hope you all like Opera 9. As always if you have issues in Opera on your site feel free to contact me and we will help you find the cause of the problem. If there is anything that Opera doesn't support that you come across when writing scripts then I'll also see what I can do. With Opera 9 we've added DOM Level 2 Style, contentEditable and DesignMode which I think will be useful additions for many designers and support for Web forms 2.0 which is a peek into the future of what we are trying to achieve with the WHAT WG along with Mozilla and Apple. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Customized Web Design at www.websolutionsbest.com Freedom Radio and Television Partner/Owner www.freedomradio.org.uk Andy Johnson-Cooper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
Not related to a site, but to the application itself: admittedly, I have quite a large number of fonts installed on my WinXP box...but for some reason, Opera 9 (and even 8.5) somehow get confused and think Copperplate is actually Verdana, and a rather gothic looking blackletter font is Tahoma. In short, it chooses the completely wrong fonts (both for page display and UI itself). Is this a known issue? Hmm, there was a font selection problem for machines with more than 1024 fonts installed; but that was supposed to have been fixed in the Windows version (see http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/900/ right at the bottom). You could try the 9.01 weekly build and see if that helps - http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ One note is that if you had a beta installed, I've found it's a good idea to uninstall that beta before installing the final version (as opposed to upgrading over the top). cheers, Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
Yes, I had a similar problem last time I tried to install Opera. All my pages were being rendered with some strange script font instead of Arial or Verdana, it was totally unusable. I tried reassigning the fonts through the settings but it made no difference, I couldn't track down any posts online about other people that had the same problem. I'm on Windows XP home version, all service packs installed. I also have the Adobe Font Folio installed, so in excess of 1000 fonts or so. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Buchanan Sent: Tuesday, 27 June 2006 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support Not related to a site, but to the application itself: admittedly, I have quite a large number of fonts installed on my WinXP box...but for some reason, Opera 9 (and even 8.5) somehow get confused and think Copperplate is actually Verdana, and a rather gothic looking blackletter font is Tahoma. In short, it chooses the completely wrong fonts (both for page display and UI itself). Is this a known issue? Hmm, there was a font selection problem for machines with more than 1024 fonts installed; but that was supposed to have been fixed in the Windows version (see http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/900/ right at the bottom). You could try the 9.01 weekly build and see if that helps - http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ One note is that if you had a beta installed, I've found it's a good idea to uninstall that beta before installing the final version (as opposed to upgrading over the top). cheers, Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
Yes, I had a similar problem last time I tried to install Opera. All my pages were being rendered with some strange script font instead of Arial or Verdana, it was totally unusable. I tried reassigning the fonts through the settings but it made no difference, I couldn't track down any posts online about other people that had the same problem. I'm on Windows XP home version, all service packs installed. I also have the Adobe Font Folio installed, so in excess of 1000 fonts or so. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Buchanan Sent: Tuesday, 27 June 2006 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support Not related to a site, but to the application itself: admittedly, I have quite a large number of fonts installed on my WinXP box...but for some reason, Opera 9 (and even 8.5) somehow get confused and think Copperplate is actually Verdana, and a rather gothic looking blackletter font is Tahoma. In short, it chooses the completely wrong fonts (both for page display and UI itself). Is this a known issue? Hmm, there was a font selection problem for machines with more than 1024 fonts installed; but that was supposed to have been fixed in the Windows version (see http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/900/ right at the bottom). You could try the 9.01 weekly build and see if that helps - http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ One note is that if you had a beta installed, I've found it's a good idea to uninstall that beta before installing the final version (as opposed to upgrading over the top). cheers, Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
Samuel Richardson wrote: I'm on Windows XP home version, all service packs installed. I also have the Adobe Font Folio installed, so in excess of 1000 fonts or so. Still OT, but: yes, I have about 3000 fonts installed, and David mentioned that this may be an issue (though they thought they had fixed it). I'm going to try using something like Adobe Type Manager, possibly disabling some sets when not in use... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
Andy Johnson-Cooper Opera Build 9 8490 Internet Explorer 7.0.5358.0 Mozilla Firefox 15.04 Hi I use the above browsers to check my web designing Acid2 is a test page, written to help browser vendors ensure proper support for Web and related standards in their products. http://webstandards.org/action/acid2 Opera is the only browser so far to pass this test , Standards compliant or reference rendering. both faces of the test are correct, however the other 2 browsers are not normally correct. seems to me all the hard work put in to developing standards, many long hours given free and the likes of Microsoft dont seem to take much notice. I design using xhtml and CSS there are so many issues across browsers but my favorite one now to use is Opera. Please give Opera a try Thanks Paul Bennett wrote: Holy crap! I'm not a personal user of Opera, but this attitude alone could change my mind. Kudos to you, David and to your company. If other (*cough* microsoft *cough*) browser makers would take this sort of position in supporting developers there'd be a lot less grief on the web. Well done, Opera. Paul I hope you all like Opera 9. As always if you have issues in Opera on your site feel free to contact me and we will help you find the cause of the problem. If there is anything that Opera doesn't support that you come across when writing scripts then I'll also see what I can do. With Opera 9 we've added DOM Level 2 Style, contentEditable and DesignMode which I think will be useful additions for many designers and support for Web forms 2.0 which is a peek into the future of what we are trying to achieve with the WHAT WG along with Mozilla and Apple. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Customized Web Design at www.websolutionsbest.com Freedom Radio and Television Partner/Owner www.freedomradio.org.uk Andy Johnson-Cooper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
OT, but I deleted David's original thread and can't find his email address... if anybody knows, can you pass it on off-list? I hope you all like Opera 9. As always if you have issues in Opera on your site feel free to contact me and we will help you find the cause of the problem. Not related to a site, but to the application itself: admittedly, I have quite a large number of fonts installed on my WinXP box...but for some reason, Opera 9 (and even 8.5) somehow get confused and think Copperplate is actually Verdana, and a rather gothic looking blackletter font is Tahoma. In short, it chooses the completely wrong fonts (both for page display and UI itself). Is this a known issue? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: OT, but I deleted David's original thread and can't find his email address... if anybody knows, can you pass it on off-list? Thanks to all who responded. Got it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:20:23 +0200, James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, Opera 9 final has been released and it has a special section for all those standards folks out there :) http://www.opera.com/users/glenn/ Lots of other notes about improvements here: http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/linux/900/index.dml I'm sure the windows mac pages are similar I hope you all like Opera 9. As always if you have issues in Opera on your site feel free to contact me and we will help you find the cause of the problem. If there is anything that Opera doesn't support that you come across when writing scripts then I'll also see what I can do. With Opera 9 we've added DOM Level 2 Style, contentEditable and DesignMode which I think will be useful additions for many designers and support for Web forms 2.0 which is a peek into the future of what we are trying to achieve with the WHAT WG along with Mozilla and Apple. Cheers James ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- David Storey Web Opener http://my.opera.com/community/openweb/ Opera Software ASA Oslo, Norway ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera 9 and standards support
FYI, Opera 9 final has been released and it has a special section for all those standards folks out there :) Apart from passing Acid2, you mean? :) http://www.opera.com/users/glenn/ hehehehe ahh those crazy kids from oslo ;) My favourite Opera 9 feature so far would have to be content blocking, though. I can actually read news websites without going crazy from the ads! Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
