Re: [Live-demo] OSGeo-Live 10.5 schedule updates
I feel that if we don't put out a release, then we won't get the required commitment and urgency from projects to put in the effort to update their projects. So I think we either go for 2 full releases per year or 1. If we aim for a rolling release then we will likely only get commitment from the core OSGeo-Live team. I'm open for either. I personally haven't had the time commitment to OSGeo-Live that I've had in the past, and I have appreciated that others have stepped up. We have also been able to reduce our workload by improving our processes over the years. I'll let others make the call on this. Warm regards, Cameron On 14/10/2016 12:54 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: Hi Cameron, On 10/12/2016 11:04 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: Angelos, We will be running into our usual problem of having major decision points happening over the Christmas holiday period. (Possibly more of a issue for us in the Southern Hemisphere because it is our long summer holiday period). However, moving a few weeks either way doesn't really help much. We already have similar issue during July for north hemisphere, so I understand :) Feel free to suggest a move of the schedule, so that to minimize this issue. One thing I suggest we consider is whether we decide to drop back to 1 release per year. OSGeo-Live is more stable than it used to be, and I question the return-on-effort we gain by putting out 2 releases per year. This is something that we have to consider. I have a feeling that our stability is partially based on our 6-month packaging cycle. Perhaps we could continue the packaging efforts and provide updates to the ppa without actually releasing .5 releases, but still creating nightly builds for someone who wants bleeding edge software. This could turn into something like a rolling release (not exactly since we do not provide upgrade paths, but similar...) This is interesting to discuss here or in a scheduled meeting. Thoughts? Best, Angelos Warm regards, Cameron. On 13/10/2016 12:20 AM, Bas Couwenberg wrote: On 2016-10-12 14:45, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: So to keep schedule somehow balanced, I think we need to move 10.5 release a bit in order to keep the 6 month cycle. Instead of targeting for 10th of March, I propose we go for 10th of February this year. Can you please review and comment on the proposed dates? Is anyone aware of an important date/conference around February/March that we should target for? Note that the OSGeo-Live 10.5 cycle overlaps the key release dates for the next Debian stable release: [2016-Nov-05] Transition freeze [2016-Dec-05] Mandatory 10-day migrations [2017-Jan-05] Soft freeze (no new packages, no re-entry, 10-day migrations) [2017-Feb-05] Full freeze This may or may not be a good thing. From the Soft freeze date packages for Debian will likely be uploaded to experimental if they are not intended for inclusion in stretch. Kind Regards, Bas ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc -- Cameron Shorter M +61 419 142 254 ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
Re: [Live-demo] OSGeo-Live 10.5 schedule updates
Hi Cameron, On 10/12/2016 11:04 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote: Angelos, We will be running into our usual problem of having major decision points happening over the Christmas holiday period. (Possibly more of a issue for us in the Southern Hemisphere because it is our long summer holiday period). However, moving a few weeks either way doesn't really help much. We already have similar issue during July for north hemisphere, so I understand :) Feel free to suggest a move of the schedule, so that to minimize this issue. One thing I suggest we consider is whether we decide to drop back to 1 release per year. OSGeo-Live is more stable than it used to be, and I question the return-on-effort we gain by putting out 2 releases per year. This is something that we have to consider. I have a feeling that our stability is partially based on our 6-month packaging cycle. Perhaps we could continue the packaging efforts and provide updates to the ppa without actually releasing .5 releases, but still creating nightly builds for someone who wants bleeding edge software. This could turn into something like a rolling release (not exactly since we do not provide upgrade paths, but similar...) This is interesting to discuss here or in a scheduled meeting. Thoughts? Best, Angelos Warm regards, Cameron. On 13/10/2016 12:20 AM, Bas Couwenberg wrote: On 2016-10-12 14:45, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: So to keep schedule somehow balanced, I think we need to move 10.5 release a bit in order to keep the 6 month cycle. Instead of targeting for 10th of March, I propose we go for 10th of February this year. Can you please review and comment on the proposed dates? Is anyone aware of an important date/conference around February/March that we should target for? Note that the OSGeo-Live 10.5 cycle overlaps the key release dates for the next Debian stable release: [2016-Nov-05] Transition freeze [2016-Dec-05] Mandatory 10-day migrations [2017-Jan-05] Soft freeze (no new packages, no re-entry, 10-day migrations) [2017-Feb-05] Full freeze This may or may not be a good thing. From the Soft freeze date packages for Debian will likely be uploaded to experimental if they are not intended for inclusion in stretch. Kind Regards, Bas ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc -- Angelos Tzotsos, PhD OSGeo Charter Member http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
Re: [Live-demo] OSGeo-Live 10.5 schedule updates
As far as I know (AFAIK) -- the reason the New Year release is moved, is to avoid working during the Winter Holidays. I would prefer not to work during the holidays this year, myself.best regards from Berkeley, California --Brian On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 07:04:36 +1100, Cameron Shorter wrote: Angelos, We will be running into our usual problem of having major decision points happening over the Christmas holiday period. (Possibly more of a issue for us in the Southern Hemisphere because it is our long summer holiday period). However, moving a few weeks either way doesn't really help much. One thing I suggest we consider is whether we decide to drop back to 1 release per year. OSGeo-Live is more stable than it used to be, and I question the return-on-effort we gain by putting out 2 releases per year. Warm regards, Cameron. On 13/10/2016 12:20 AM, Bas Couwenberg wrote: > On 2016-10-12 14:45, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: >> So to keep schedule somehow balanced, I think we need to move 10.5 >> release a bit in order to keep the 6 month cycle. Instead of targeting >> for 10th of March, I propose we go for 10th of February this year. >> >> Can you please review and comment on the proposed dates? >> Is anyone aware of an important date/conference around February/March >> that we should target for? > > Note that the OSGeo-Live 10.5 cycle overlaps the key release dates for > the next Debian stable release: > > [2016-Nov-05] Transition freeze > [2016-Dec-05] Mandatory 10-day migrations > [2017-Jan-05] Soft freeze (no new packages, no re-entry, 10-day > migrations) > [2017-Feb-05] Full freeze > > This may or may not be a good thing. > > From the Soft freeze date packages for Debian will likely be uploaded > to experimental if they are not intended for inclusion in stretch. > > Kind Regards, > > Bas > ___ > Live-demo mailing list > Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo > http://live.osgeo.org > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc -- Cameron Shorter M +61 419 142 254 ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
Re: [Live-demo] OSGeo-Live 10.5 schedule updates
Angelos, We will be running into our usual problem of having major decision points happening over the Christmas holiday period. (Possibly more of a issue for us in the Southern Hemisphere because it is our long summer holiday period). However, moving a few weeks either way doesn't really help much. One thing I suggest we consider is whether we decide to drop back to 1 release per year. OSGeo-Live is more stable than it used to be, and I question the return-on-effort we gain by putting out 2 releases per year. Warm regards, Cameron. On 13/10/2016 12:20 AM, Bas Couwenberg wrote: On 2016-10-12 14:45, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: So to keep schedule somehow balanced, I think we need to move 10.5 release a bit in order to keep the 6 month cycle. Instead of targeting for 10th of March, I propose we go for 10th of February this year. Can you please review and comment on the proposed dates? Is anyone aware of an important date/conference around February/March that we should target for? Note that the OSGeo-Live 10.5 cycle overlaps the key release dates for the next Debian stable release: [2016-Nov-05] Transition freeze [2016-Dec-05] Mandatory 10-day migrations [2017-Jan-05] Soft freeze (no new packages, no re-entry, 10-day migrations) [2017-Feb-05] Full freeze This may or may not be a good thing. From the Soft freeze date packages for Debian will likely be uploaded to experimental if they are not intended for inclusion in stretch. Kind Regards, Bas ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc -- Cameron Shorter M +61 419 142 254 ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
Re: [Live-demo] OSGeo-Live 10.5 schedule updates
On 2016-10-12 14:45, Angelos Tzotsos wrote: So to keep schedule somehow balanced, I think we need to move 10.5 release a bit in order to keep the 6 month cycle. Instead of targeting for 10th of March, I propose we go for 10th of February this year. Can you please review and comment on the proposed dates? Is anyone aware of an important date/conference around February/March that we should target for? Note that the OSGeo-Live 10.5 cycle overlaps the key release dates for the next Debian stable release: [2016-Nov-05] Transition freeze [2016-Dec-05] Mandatory 10-day migrations [2017-Jan-05] Soft freeze (no new packages, no re-entry, 10-day migrations) [2017-Feb-05] Full freeze This may or may not be a good thing. From the Soft freeze date packages for Debian will likely be uploaded to experimental if they are not intended for inclusion in stretch. Kind Regards, Bas ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
Re: [Live-demo] OSGeo-Live 10.5 schedule updates
Hello Angelos, I had a look at the schedule. Looks good to me. At the moment we do not know when FOSSGIS 2017 will take place. But Version 10.5 ready till february 2017 is fine for us. Astrid Am 2016-10-12 14:45, schrieb Angelos Tzotsos: Hi all, I was looking at our schedule spreadsheet [1], and did some editing to include version 10.5 in the roadmap. OSGeo-Live 10.0 was released on August 1 (due to FOSS4G 2016 on Aug 24). I think that OSGeo-Live 11.0 release should be 20 of July (10 days earlier this year, FOSS4G 2017 on Aug 14th) to give time to workshop committee to install the released version to hardware. So to keep schedule somehow balanced, I think we need to move 10.5 release a bit in order to keep the 6 month cycle. Instead of targeting for 10th of March, I propose we go for 10th of February this year. Can you please review and comment on the proposed dates? Is anyone aware of an important date/conference around February/March that we should target for? Best, Angelos [1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kO6zzmLFfprZGgp5x7Sjwi-EVN6NTGDR4KXvFVtNpR0/edit#gid=0 -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Astrid Emde GIS-Consultant Where2B Konferenz 2016 15. Dezember 2016 in Bonn www.where2b-conference.com Astrid Emde WhereGroup GmbH & Co.KG Eifelstraße 7 53119 Bonn Germany Fon: +49(0)228 90 90 38 - 22 Fax: +49(0)228 90 90 38 - 11 astrid.e...@wheregroup.com www.wheregroup.com Folgen Sie der WhereGroup auf twitter: http://twitter.com/WhereGroup_com Amtsgericht Bonn, HRA 6788 --- Komplementärin: WhereGroup Verwaltungs GmbH vertreten durch: Olaf Knopp, Peter Stamm --- pgp-public key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x06DA52D72D515284 Signierte und/oder verschlüsselte Nachrichten sind sehr willkommen Signed and/or encrypted mail is highly appreciated ___ Live-demo mailing list Live-demo@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
