Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

ok kool :) thanks for that. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Tobias Doerffel wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > > you have admin permissions on the sourceforge project so you should be > able to login to the according ssh servers in order to edit the website > files. > > Toby > > > -- Jonathan Aquilin

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

Hi Jonathan, you have admin permissions on the sourceforge project so you should be able to login to the according ssh servers in order to edit the website files. Toby -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud

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I am guessing that would be toby as he had to set permissions for me to change bug status on source forge. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Alexia, I think you wrote many wise things about the webpage. I don't know > yet who is the admin of the site, but I want to encour

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

Alexia, I think you wrote many wise things about the webpage. I don't know yet who is the admin of the site, but I want to encourage you to find him and do what you wrote. On 12 Jan 2014 17:42, "Alexia Rose" wrote: > I suggest some editing of the Community page on SF. I believe that some > sectio

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 01/12/2014 02:15 AM, Gurjot Singh wrote: >> * If you have 20 new mails in a thread, you have to click 20 times. > Actually no. I use gmail client for my mails. I've created a filter for > lmms-devel, ... Which brings me to another point in favor of mailing lists that I forgot to include in my

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

I suggest some editing of the Community page on SF. I believe that some sections should be written differently, organized slightly differently, tell  people explicitly the things they need to know, do not assume that they know. Example: "Join SF today to enjoy the community forum, check out and up

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

Hi, I'm repeating my opinion from one or two years ago: I don't want to force somebody to use a specific platform system but personally I don't have the time to partipicate in a forum - I want all in my mail inbox (and delete unrelated items so that they will never appear again) and not having to

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 12 January 2014 12:23, Johannes Lorenz wrote: > One more important problem of a mailing list: > > * If you have 20 new mails in a thread, you have to click 20 times. Of > course, there might be websites that mirror multiple posts, like in a forum, > but then, this does not make it better than

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There is something and its called nabble. People can post to the mailing list from the nabble site and vice versa. On Sunday 12 January 2014 07:53:14 Johannes Lorenz wrote: > One more important problem of a mailing list: > > * If you have 20 new mails in a thread, you have to click 20 times. Of

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

One more important problem of a mailing list: * If you have 20 new mails in a thread, you have to click 20 times. Of course, there might be websites that mirror multiple posts, like in a forum, but then, this does not make it better than a forum imo.

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I agree. Starting anew is temptating, but fixing the old seems to be a reasonable and more optimized action to take. On 10 Jan 2014 18:53, "Vesa" wrote: > If we want an LMMS forum, I don't think it should be a new one. I think > the existing SF forum should be migrated to a new place. The SF foru

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We will never come to a concensus. Everyone will have their own preference on what to use. At this point I think we should keep using the SF forums and mailing lists. Ultimately toby makes the final decision. On Saturday 11 January 2014 17:45:52 Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Rob, to me your message r

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Rob, to me your message really ends this discussion. I've also noticed that I'm taking part in the discussions here using a mobile mail client half the time, reading and writing many messages offline. This wouldn't wo > > On 01/10/2014 09:02 AM, Johannes Lorenz wrote: > > Pro (Forum): > > * Subfor

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The SF forum is kind of very much alive. A lot of users stop by to get help, but few helping. 10-20 weekly/fairly active users and growing. I think of this forum as an user forum because there are users in it. I don't see any advantages in users and developers using only the same site for communica

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

push the watch button - and you'll get your mailing list from those issues. On 11.01.2014 01:05, Emilio Coppola wrote: > It will be better for everyone to start using github and discuss on > the same issues page about this instead of the mailing list (after all > we want the public to know we are

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It will be better for everyone to start using github and discuss on the same issues page about this instead of the mailing list (after all we want the public to know we are active) and talk about organization or more complicated things on other platform (as the mailing list). Let's give some life

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

FWIW - the Wine project came up with a complicated arrangement involving a two-way gateway between the wine-users list and the official Wine forum. The culture clash issues were slightly annoying. But the interesting bit is that the forum still had about 10x the usage. I don't know if they still

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

What about using subreddits for official comms and support? There's already /r/lmms, and there could be /r/lmmssupport and any number of other subreddits. Forums and emails can make it really hard to follow a conversation, and subreddits do a better job at that. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:53 AM,

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

If we want an LMMS forum, I don't think it should be a new one. I think the existing SF forum should be migrated to a new place. The SF forum is still active, there's not much activity but there is some - there are new posts every day, there are even new users almost every day, asking for advice on

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 01/10/2014 09:02 AM, Johannes Lorenz wrote: > Pro (Forum): > * Subforums > * More functionality for searching > * More features: HTML, Images/Sounds, Thanks-Buttons etc. > * No spam anymore. I got 100 mails today, none of them interested me. In a > forum, you can set notifications to threads yo

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True, Shame we can't get mailing list statistics to see amount of activity there is on that list. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > I could help with that. Also we could recruit new mods from the community > by an explicit call if we need them. > > On 10 Jan 2014 17:25, "J

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I could help with that. Also we could recruit new mods from the community by an explicit call if we need them. On 10 Jan 2014 17:25, "Jonathan Aquilina" wrote: > > Do we have the man power > > On 10 Jan 2014 17:16, "Tobiasz Karoń" wrote: >> >> I think that the forum moderator(s) can be the link

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I think that the forum moderator(s) can be the link between users and devs. The forum could have a place for users to contact devs, then a moderator, or another person selected for that task, could pick suggestions made there and pass them to relevant decision-makers and then coders. Or devs could

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

Same page, I barely know how to use a mailing list. All I am saying is there is a lot of users who are not very tech savvy. I am not that bad as I use Ubuntu but GitHub and SourceForge do scare me. I would never have switched to Ubuntu if not the user community. Regular users need a friendly for

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Alexia i agree with you totally :) On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Alexia Rose wrote: > Same page, I barely know how to use a mailing list. All I am saying is > there is a lot of users who are not very tech savvy. I am not that bad as I > use Ubuntu but GitHub and SourceForge do scare me. I wou

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Sorry meant Toby :( FORGIVE ME ALL POWERFUL TOBY :( so much going on my hands sometimes type quicker then my mind can think :( On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Israel wrote: > 's/tony/toby/g' :) > > On 01/10/2014 09:03 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > Actually ignore my last email about bugzil

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's/tony/toby/g' :) On 01/10/2014 09:03 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Actually ignore my last email about bugzilla. I can host that for the project if so desired :) but again i need to discuss this with tony. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Gurjot Singh > wrote:

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

Thing is toby has already approved using issue tracker on github. If need be i can even make it easier and host bugzilla on my server as well. but this is something I would need to discuss with tony myself. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Gurjot Singh wrote: > On 10 January 2014 20:23, Jonathan

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 10 January 2014 20:33, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Actually ignore my last email about bugzilla. I can host that for the > project if so desired :) but again i need to discuss this with tony. Yeah! Will wait for the decision. :) -- Gurjot Singh Blog: http://bhattigurjot.wordpress.com ---

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Actually ignore my last email about bugzilla. I can host that for the project if so desired :) but again i need to discuss this with tony. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Gurjot Singh wrote: > On 10 January 2014 20:23, Jonathan Aquilina > wrote: > > I will wait for toby to take the final decis

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I think most (young) people are not used to mailing lists. A forum is simply friendlier, more familiar to them. None is perfect, but I think that the mailing list thing can scare a lot of people off. I know I was scared and still learning how to use the ML. On 10 Jan 2014 15:44, "Jonathan Aquilina"

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 10 January 2014 20:23, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I will wait for toby to take the final decision I can make a sticky that > will link to the issue tracker to file bugs etc. I probably need to update > my forums and version of phpbb but once everything is said and done > depending on tony's dec

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any new issues even duplicates should get filed on the issue tracker then the devs will tag them accordingly. That is obviously after you have checked there isn’t a bug already filed for the issue you are encountering On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Gurjot Singh wrote: > On 10 January 2014 20:1

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On 10 January 2014 20:19, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Thats the thing if you post bugs and patches there devs already have their > hands full with fixing and features that they wont look at the forums It would require a little more effort on our part to be aware of the new issues and such but it w

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Thats the thing if you post bugs and patches there devs already have their hands full with fixing and features that they wont look at the forums On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Gurjot Singh wrote: > On 10 January 2014 20:14, Jonathan Aquilina > wrote: > > Good point, But then why not just use

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I will wait for toby to take the final decision I can make a sticky that will link to the issue tracker to file bugs etc. I probably need to update my forums and version of phpbb but once everything is said and done depending on tony's decision I will provide the link :) On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 10 January 2014 20:18, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > We have the issue tracker in github where any bugs should be filed. No need > to be scared of it. Its better to use that then a forum its where all bugs > can be seen and non get lost in translation so to speak. We devs are more > likely to miss

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

I think here is what I will propose is Toby makes the final decision. I am more then willing to setup something on my forums to get us of SF seeing as you guys are saying its slow. It would be great to grow my community to more then just lmms as I have other topic there already. On Fri, Jan 10, 2

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

We have the issue tracker in github where any bugs should be filed. No need to be scared of it. Its better to use that then a forum its where all bugs can be seen and non get lost in translation so to speak. We devs are more likely to miss something that is on the forums then in the issue tracker.

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 10 January 2014 20:14, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Good point, But then why not just use the users mailing list? is there alot > of activity there? Actually if I'm just a user I'd prefer a platform where I could just post my queries without going for a hassle of sending an email. It'd be much m

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Good point, But then why not just use the users mailing list? is there alot of activity there? On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Great point here. This is why I think a forum is needed. Mailing list and > bug trackers could work for programmers, but everyone else needs a >

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It would be great to enable us simple users who do not know programming to contribute to the community through forum. Everything is geared towards developing and thus anyone who doesn't do programming is cut off. I made an account for bug report on SF but it is not a forum for me in spite of it

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

Alexia you would file bug reports for issues you encounter so we can improve the software as a whole not only for you but every one else. Right now forums are up in the air. there is always the mailing list we can use as a form of forum to discuss both with developers and non developers alike. Righ

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Great point here. This is why I think a forum is needed. Mailing list and bug trackers could work for programmers, but everyone else needs a different way of contributing and communicating. If you say to a sample maker "add this to the master branch" you are gonna confuse and scare him. Do it for h

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 10 January 2014 20:12, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > Great point here. This is why I think a forum is needed. Mailing list and > bug trackers could work for programmers, but everyone else needs a different > way of contributing and communicating. If you say to a sample maker "add > this to the master

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On 10 January 2014 19:52, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > If we have both, we have to choose a primary place to store information. So > whatever gets discussed on other places must be concluded there if there is > any conclusion. Otherwise we'll just need to spend more time and energy > reading through all

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Dunno i never used it cuz of the mailing list lol. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > I agree. Is that old forum dead of still shuffling it's legs? > On 10 Jan 2014 15:23, "Jonathan Aquilina" wrote: > >> That is a very valid point. What would be interesting to see is if th

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I agree. Is that old forum dead of still shuffling it's legs? On 10 Jan 2014 15:23, "Jonathan Aquilina" wrote: > That is a very valid point. What would be interesting to see is if there > is any activity on the current forum. > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > >> If we

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That is a very valid point. What would be interesting to see is if there is any activity on the current forum. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > If we have both, we have to choose a primary place to store information. > So whatever gets discussed on other places must be co

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Fabulous! What else could we need? On 10 Jan 2014 15:20, "Jonathan Aquilina" wrote: > My server is a vps which is hosted in a UK data center. I am using a very > highly performant webserver. I am willing to host the section in the forum > for free. in other words on my own server. > > > On Fri, J

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If we have both, we have to choose a primary place to store information. So whatever gets discussed on other places must be concluded there if there is any conclusion. Otherwise we'll just need to spend more time and energy reading through all places, always in danger of missing something important

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My server is a vps which is hosted in a UK data center. I am using a very highly performant webserver. I am willing to host the section in the forum for free. in other words on my own server. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Vesa wrote: > On 01/10/2014 04:02 PM, Johannes Lorenz wrote: > > Hey,

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 10 January 2014 19:40, Vesa wrote: > You could configure your email client to put all posts with [LMMS-devel] > in the subject line into their own folder. Then you won't miss any > regular mail because of mailing list. > > Personally, I use 3 email boxes for different purposes. > > There alread

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 10 January 2014 19:32, Johannes Lorenz wrote: > who is for a mailing list, and who is for a forum? Please give reasons. > > Pro (Forum): > * Subforums > * More functionality for searching > * More features: HTML, Images/Sounds, Thanks-Buttons etc. > * No spam anymore. I got 100 mails today, non

Re: [LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

On 01/10/2014 04:02 PM, Johannes Lorenz wrote: > Hey, > > who is for a mailing list, and who is for a forum? Please give reasons. > > Pro (Forum): > * Subforums > * More functionality for searching > * More features: HTML, Images/Sounds, Thanks-Buttons etc. > * No spam anymore. I got 100 mails toda

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Why dont we have both? Again i repeat im more then willing to provide the forums on the ones I have as a section in mine. I can confirm that phpBB does allow notifications of new posts to a thread in the forum. On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Johannes Lorenz < johanne...@mailueberfall.de> wrote

[LMMS-devel] Mailing List vs Forum

Hey, who is for a mailing list, and who is for a forum? Please give reasons. Pro (Forum): * Subforums * More functionality for searching * More features: HTML, Images/Sounds, Thanks-Buttons etc. * No spam anymore. I got 100 mails today, none of them interested me. In a forum, you can set notific